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Calvinism is just silly. It makes no sense when reading the Bible. Just as flat earth makes no sense when looking at the world around you. I addressed just the tip of the iceberg of the problems involving Calvinism in post #297.

I was addressing your rope analogy.
 
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Is condemning the guilty for what they have done somehow not “righteous”?

Not at all.

If God condemns all of the guilty for their guilt, where is the partiality?

None at all.

John 3:16-18 explains that some are not judged and why. It also explains that the rest stand already judged and why (with John 3:19-20 describing the judgement).

Does not John 3:16-18 clearly give the answer you seek?

Some are not judged because they believed - whosoever believes is not condemned.

If you do not believe you remain condemned.

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In my view, it's obvious from reading the Bible that Calvinism is clearly not true.
For there are so many problems and inconsistencies in Calvinism it's not even funny.
It's like flat earthers who hold to flat earth because they have 75 flat earth bible verses.
Yet, everyone knows that the earth is round.

For example:

Why did Jesus preach ‘except you repent, you shall all likewise perish’ when the non-elect can’t repent and the elect can’t perish? (See: Luke 13:5).

How can the Lord hold the non-elect accountable for ‘not believing’ and condemn them for it, when He purposely did not give them the faith to enable them to believe to begin with?

If Jesus had previously made atonement for the sins of an elect individual, do you believe they are lost during the period of time prior to their being saved?

Calvinism would be like creating a robot whereby you left it to it's own programming to kill people, and then you later put that robot on trial for murder. It would be illogical to judge the robot for killing if the robot had no other choice outside of it's programming to not kill. So a God who judges the wicked for something that they had no control over when God could have easily changed it for them places the blame of salvation on God and not the sinner. Why would God want to see them perish if He had the sole power to save them?

Here is another example: Imagine if you, your family, and a bunch of others are lost at sea, and a coast guard comes. However, imagine if you will that the coast guard saves everyone else out of the water, but he does not save you and your family. You ask him why he is not saving all of you, and he says... "No reason." As he drives away into the distance, would you not think it was unfair? Would you not think the coast guard was being mean, cold, and cruel? You sure would, unless you felt like you deserved to be treated unfairly or something.

Why would God punish the wicked at a Judgment if it was God who placed them there? It makes no sense. That would be like a dog owner who kicks his dog across the room (like a football) because it has an uncontrollable pooping problem (When the dog owner knows it has such a problem). The poor animal has no control over it's pooping function, and it is forced to release it's poop all over the carpet uncontrollably. Yet, the master of the animal does not care and he is going to punish the animal for something it has no control over. The dog owner is heartless. This is the view of God that I must believe in if Unconditional Election is true. But it is illogical. It is unbiblical. For my Bible says, "God is love." (1 John 4:8). My Bible says, "For God so loved the world..." (John 3:16).

2 Peter 2:1 says,
“But there were false prophets also among the people, even as there shall be false teachers among you, who privily shall bring in damnable heresies, even denying the Lord that bought them, and bring upon themselves swift destruction.”

It says here that there are false prophets and teachers who deny the Lord WHO BOUGHT THEM. How can the Lord buy false prophets and teachers if He only died for the elect? It makes no sense.

2 Thessalonians 2:10 says,
“And with all deceivableness of unrighteousness in them that perish; because they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved.”

It says that those who perish do so because THEY RECEIVED NOT THE LOVE OF THE TRUTH that they might be saved. It does not say they perish because God did not elect them. It also says that they received not the love of the truth that they MIGHT BE SAVED. In Calvinism, there is no such thing as MIGHT be saved.

1 John 2:2 says,
“He is the atoning sacrifice for our sins, and not only for ours but also for the sins of the whole world

Jesus is not only the atoning sacrifice for us believers, but he is also the atoning sacrifice for the sins of the WHOLE WORLD. Calvinism does not believe that.

Free Will in the Bible Concerning God:

#1. Joshua 24:15 KJV -
"Choose for yourselves this day whom you will serve"

#2. Matthew 11:28 KJV -
"Come to Me, all you who labor and are heavy laden, and I will give you rest."

#3. John 7:17 KJV -
"If anyone wills to do His will, he shall know concerning the doctrine, whether it is from God."

#4. John 7:37 KJV -
"If anyone thirsts, let him come to Me and drink."

#5. Acts 2:38 KJV -
"Repent, and let everyone of you be baptized"

#6. Acts 3:19 KJV -
"Repent therefore and be converted"

#7. Acts 16:31 KJV -
"Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ, and you will be saved"

#8. Acts 17:30 KJV -
"but now commands all men everywhere to repent"

#9. Revelation 22:17 KJV -
"Whoever wills, let him take the water of life freely."

#10. “I call heaven and earth to record this day against you, that I have set before you life and death, blessing and cursing: therefore choose life, that both thou and thy seed may live:”

#11. Revelation 22:17 KJ2
"And the Spirit and the bride say, Come. And let him that hears say, Come. And let him that is thirsty come. And whosoever will, let him take the water of life freely."

#12. Luke 13:34 NLT -
"O Jerusalem, Jerusalem, the city that kills the prophets and stones God's messengers! How often I have wanted to gather your children together as a hen protects her chicks beneath her wings, but you wouldn't let me.


Jonah chapter 3 is another big one that refutes Calvinism.

In this chapter we read about how Jonah had told the Ninevites that they would be overthrown in 40 days. But they cried out to God and forsaken their evil ways after hearing Jonah preach. When God noticed that they had forsaken their wickedness, that is when God turned back in bringing Judgment or wrath upon them. So the Ninevites were not saved because they were the Elect, but they were saved and escaped judgment because THEY changed the situation whereby God had shown mercy to them.
Thanks for listing those scriptures but it wasn't necessary as I already know those which seem to support the Arminian view.
The problem remains those 120 or so which support Calvinism, I notice they remain ignored.

I don't think a Christian should ignore God's word, I believe we need to embrace the whole counsel of God and not just cherry pick the verses we like and ignore those which expose our theology as flawed.
 
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Thanks for listing those scriptures but it wasn't necessary as I already know those which seem to support the Arminian view.
The problem remains those 120 or so which support Calvinism, I notice they remain ignored.

I don't think a Christian should ignore God's word, I believe we need to embrace the whole counsel of God and not just cherry pick the verses we like and ignore those which expose our theology as flawed.

The question really should be:

Do those other proof texts that Calvinism uses to support Reformed Theology actually support what they say when read in context, and without assuming one's opinions onto the text?

My answer to the question would be:

When reviewing each Calvinist Proof Text in the context of Holy Scripture, we find that the Proof Texts do not support what the Calvinist assumes onto the Texts they quote.

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The question really should be:

Do those other proof texts that Calvinism uses to support Reformed Theology actually support what they say when read in context, and without assuming one's opinions onto the text?

My answer to the question would be:

When reviewing each Calvinist Proof Text in the context of Holy Scripture, we find that the Proof Texts do not support what the Calvinist assumes onto the Texts they quote.

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It all depends on what you want to make the scriptures to say, since there are countless ways to interpret scripture. This is why we have so many Christian denominations, all claiming to poses the correct interpretation while they all oppose each other.

I hope you're not one of those who believes that everyone else is wrong and I'm right. It's quite sad to see all the mud slinging in the Church, everyone has a different view but they all insist they are right and everyone else is wrong.

We can make the Bible support Arminians and Calvinists, it all depends on which prism we view it from. I see you and everyone else rejects Gods Word as it is written, you must add your private interpretation to it and push your view as the only valid one.

Don't worry I have nothing personal against you as everyone else does the same thing. This is why the Church is divided into thousands of militantly opposed denominations, all pushing their view as the only right one.

Christians invest their lives in the denomination, so the last thing they want to hear is someone challenge their view or try to prove them wrong or heretical. When we go door knocking we get the same response from 99% of Christians. They say things like "I was born a Catholic and I will die a Catholic". We really can't convince anyone to open their mind to consider other views, so we just have to agree to disagree.
 
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Romans 11:6
But if it is by grace, it is no longer on the basis of works, otherwise grace is no longer grace.

This is called reading verses in a vacuum and out of context. You must read Romans 11:1 when you read Romans 11:6.

Romans 11:1 says, “I say then,
Hath God cast away his people? God forbid.
For I also am an Israelite, of the seed of Abraham,
of the tribe of Benjamin.”​

So the context of Romans 11:6 is the Israelite people who rejected their Messiah. The Israelites who rejected their Messiah believed in a form of Works Alone Salvationism under the Law of Moses with little to no grace (See: Luke 18:9-14). They believed it was by circumcision that one must first be saved (Acts of the Apostles 15:1) thereby making the basis or foundation of their salvation by works and not grace. Hence, this is why Paul says what he does in Romans 11:6. He is speaking in light of Israel's false belief of Works Alone Salvationism with no grace. For of course if a person believes it is first by works and primarily works that saves them, then it is no longer grace. Besides those churches that teach you must first be water baptized to be initially saved, I know of no churches that teach that we are initially saved by doing a good deed, but they agree that we are all first saved by having faith in Jesus Christ and His grace.

Anyways, while we are saved by God's grace initially and foundationally, we also have to look at Romans 11:21-22 that says,

“For if God spared not the natural branches, take heed lest he also spare not thee.
Behold therefore the goodness and severity of God: on them which fell, severity; but toward thee, goodness, if thou continue in his goodness: otherwise thou also shalt be cut off.” (Romans 11:21-22).​

What is this talking about in Romans 11:21-22?

“Take heed, brethren, lest there be in any of you an evil heart of unbelief, in departing from the living God. But exhort one another daily, while it is called To day; lest any of you be hardened through the deceitfulness of sin. For we are made partakers of Christ, if we hold the beginning of our confidence stedfast unto the end;” (Hebrews 3:12-14).​

A person can have an evil heart of unbelief and depart from the living God by the fact that they hardened their own heart by the deceitfulness of sin in their life. We are made partakers of Christ if we hold the beginning of our confidence stedfast unto the end. So it's not a walk in the park.

“Blessed is the man that endureth temptation: for when he is tried, he shall receive the crown of life, which the Lord hath promised to them that love him.” (James 1:12).​

In fact, there are two archways in Romans. One is an entrance and one is an exit. Both these archways teach the necessity of the obedience of the faith.

“By whom we have received grace and apostleship, for obedience to the faith...” (Romans 1:5).

“But now is made manifest, and by the scriptures of the prophets, according to the commandment of the everlasting God, made known to all nations for the obedience of faith:” (Romans 16:26).​

Most today are not for the obedience of faith (Which should send alarms bells ringing within you).

You said:
For there is a difference between

No matter how you interpret the scripture and jump, here and there, in selecting verses. You are always saved by grace and that is the end of the matter.

We have to look at the whole counsel of God's Word and accept those verses that we don't like even when they conflict with what we have been taught. Take for example Galatians 6:8-9. You cannot read and believe them at face value. You must change them to mean something else. The same is true for 2 Corinthians 7:1, as well.

You said:
Acts 15:11
But we believe that we are saved through the grace of the Lord Jesus, in the same way as they also are.

Again, this chapter proves my case and not your case. The whole point of Acts of the Apostles 15 at the Jerusalem council was to address whether or not the Gentile believers needed to first be circumcised in order to be saved (See: Acts of the Apostles 15:1). For some odd reason you just don't accept that is what was going on. A plain and normal reading tells us this. For if a person believed that they had to first be saved by being circumcised they would be making the Law or works the basis of their salvation and they would no longer believe that they are saved on the basis (FOUNDATION, i.e. basis) of being saved through grace in the Lord Jesus Christ (i.e. Acts of the Apostles 15:11). So again, you are quoting the Bible out of context. Acts of the Apostles 15:11 must be read in light of Acts of the Apostles 15:1, Acts of the Apostles 15:5, and Acts of the Apostles 15:24 (of which you appear to be ignoring).
 
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Is that the only scripture you know regarding the Holy Spirit helping us?

You ask questions that the Bible does not really address. That would be like saying, “what kind of color clothing was Peter wearing when he talked with the apostle Paul in Galatians 2:11-21?

The Bible does not really say.

While it is not an answer to your question directly (because it would be like asking the question like the one above), I am going to mention the importance of the Holy Spirit and obedience (Which will help to clear up your misunderstanding on how things work):

I posted a verse (Acts of the Apostles 5:32) to help you understand the Holy Spirit and obedience. What do you think Acts of the Apostles 5:32 even means? You run away from a verse and start asking questions that the Bible does not really address. You said before that you believe that you were saved while being prodigal. Yet, the Parable of the Prodigal Son (Luke 15:24, And Luke 15:32) both teach that the prodigal son was “dead” and he became “alive again” when coming back home and seeking forgiveness with his father (Which is the same truth taught in James 5:19-20).

Acts of the Apostles 5:32 helped to show you that we as believers cannot be disobedient and yet receive or have the Spirit. For example: In Acts of the Apostles 8: We learn that those at Samaria did not initially receive the Holy Spirit when they accepted the gospel and were water baptized. But this was because Simon the sorcerer needed to be weeded out. His heart was still not right with God and he needed to repent because he tried to pay for the Spirit. His heart was still evil, and it needed to change. While I am not referring to you exactly: Some Christians give me the impression that they are bent on doing evil as a way of life. They say we will always sin this side of Heaven. Did they truly obey in seeking forgiveness with the Lord with a true heart's intention in putting away sin for good out of their life? Or would they hold back later? God knows if we would hold back later and justify sin. We know Cornelius did not even need to be water baptized in order to receive the Holy Spirit after hearing the gospel. For Cornelius was a devout man, and who feared God with all his house who gave alms to the people, and who prayed to God always (See: Acts of the Apostles 10:1-2). If only Christians could be like a Cornelius today. But unfortunately we are living in the last days where men have a form of godliness but they deny the power thereof (See: 2 Timothy 3:1-9).
 
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Bible Highlighter said:
Hebrews 5:32 says, “And we are his witnesses of these things; and so is also the Holy Ghost, whom God hath given to them that obey him.
Is that the only scripture you know regarding the Holy Spirit helping us?

BTW ~ It is Acts of the Apostles 5:32, and not Hebrews 5:32. I was super tired last night when I posted the verse to you, and I did not catch my mistake until morning when I was more awake. The question is: Why didn't you or others here catch the mistake? Is this a favorite verse for Christians today? For me it is.
 
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Did the person really choose hell since everyone is dead in sin, and so - according to Calvinism - cannot choose to believe?

Since God knows that no one can believe - according the Calvinism - then God must instead show partiality, electing some to give them faith through regeneration.

God is an impartial and righteous judge, showing no favoritism

However, Scripture makes clear that God is a righteous and impartial judge showing mercy to all.
Justice requires that God give everyone his due.

Adam rebelled against God, making him God's enemy and giving him a rebellious, sinful, fallen, corrupt nature. All Adam's progeny are born with the same nature--rebellious, sinful, fallen corrupt--as their progentor, and are enemies of God (Ro 5:10), just as all rattlesnakes are born with the same nature as their progenitor--poisonous, dangerous to mankind.

As God's enemy, Adam was due condemnation, and justice required that God give him his due.
We have the same rebellious, sinful nature, and justice requires that God give us our due--condemnation (Ro 5:18).

We have no just claim against God. He owes us nothing more than justice, which he has given us.

He is free to give mercy to whom he pleases and chooses
(Ro 9:14-18), and no one can say to him "What have you done?" (Ro 9:20)
He owes us nothing more.

He does not owe anyone mercy. Justice does not require him to give anyone mercy, only to give them what they are due; and as his enemies, with natures which do not want to be governed by him, but to govern themselves, they are due/owed condemnation.
And that is what he does (Ro 5:18).
There are many Scriptures teaching this reality (Deuteronomy 10:17; 2 Chronicles 19:7; Acts 10:34-35; Romans 2:5-13; Romans 10:10-14; Romans 11:30-32; Ephesians 6:9; Colossians 3:23-25; 1 Timothy 2:4; 2 Peter 3:9; James 2:9; Hosea 4:6).

If God is a righteous and impartial Judge, as Scripture teaches, how is it you feel God can show partiality in judgment - favoring some by giving them faith through regeneration, and condemning the rest without any chance at all?

Where does Scripture teach the regeneration precedes faith? Don't quote a Passage and assume. Anyone can do that. Quote where Scripture actually teaches that.

Does God invite only some to the Wedding Feast (Matthew 22:1-14), or does God send out His servants to gather all that would come?

Calvinists must alter and reinterpret every one of the following Passages to make it say that God shows partiality. But that is not what these verses actually state.

Romans 11:32 (WEB)
For God has shut up all to disobedience, that he might have mercy on all.

Titus 2:11 (WEB) 11 For the grace of God has appeared, bringing salvation to all men

Isaiah 53:6 (WEB) 6 All we like sheep have gone astray. Everyone has turned to his own way; and Yahweh has laid on him the iniquity of us all.

1 John 2:2 (WEB) 2 And he is the atoning sacrifice for our sins, and not for ours only, but also for the whole world.

John 1:29 (WEB) 29 The next day, he saw Jesus coming to him, and said, “Behold, the Lamb of God, who takes away the sin of the world!

John 3:14-18 (WEB) 14 As Moses lifted up the serpent in the wilderness, even so must the Son of Man be lifted up, 15 that whoever believes in him should not perish, but have eternal life. 16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him should not perish, but have eternal life.

John 4:42 (WEB) 42 They said to the woman, “Now we believe, not because of your speaking; for we have heard for ourselves, and know that this is indeed the Christ, the Savior of the world.”

2 Corinthians 5:19 (WEB)
19 … God was in Christ reconciling the world to himself, not reckoning to them their trespasses, and having committed to us the word of reconciliation.

1 Timothy 2:6 (WEB) 6 who gave himself as a ransom for all, the testimony in its own times

1 Timothy 4:10 (WEB) 10 For to this end we both labor and suffer reproach, because we have set our trust in the living God, who is the Savior of all men, especially of those who believe.

Hebrews 2:9 (WEB) 9 But we see him who has been made a little lower than the angels, Jesus, because of the suffering of death crowned with glory and honor, that by the grace of God he should taste of death for everyone.

Although God has paid the ransom for all people, only those who believe after hearing the Gospel appropriate that ransom to themselves.



Foreknowledge or foreknew means to love beforehand or to have known beforehand. Foreknow does not mean God knowingly causes.



For God to know something is not equal to God causing something.

If a sovereign God chooses to save those who would believe in His Son at the hearing of the Gospel, which is taught in throughout the NT, who are we to say that God is not sovereign for doing so?



Yes, because Romans 8:1-4; Romans 8:12-13; Galatians 5:13-25; and Galatians 6:7-9 shows that each person who believes in Jesus must continue to demonstrate his faith by living, walking and reaping to the Spirit to be saved. Not everyone will remain faithful, and many will fall away. But the Scriptures do not teach that, if believer falls away, means they were never saved to begin with.

In contrast, you are saying those God elected to save are guaranteed to be saved. That is why I quote those Passages.



John 3:18 (NIV) 18 Whoever believes in him is not condemned, but whoever does not believe stands condemned already because they have not believed in the name of God’s one and only Son.

In John 3:18, in the context of John 3:14-18, we see that, unlike what Calvinism teaches, each person has a choice to either believe and be saved, or not to believe and remain condemned. A sovereign God judges each person according to how he responds to his grace.

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Thanks for listing those scriptures but it wasn't necessary as I already know those which seem to support the Arminian view.
The problem remains those 120 or so which support Calvinism, I notice they remain ignored.

I don't remember you posting 120 verses in defense of Calvinism.
Please do not do so here. Start another thread and give me a link to it.
A flat earther can post 75 flat earth verses and yet I do not have to address them in order to refute flat earth. I can simply post other evidences to support my conclusion so as to refute a flat earth and even Calvinism. Both are just as equally ridiculous in my opinion.

You said:
I don't think a Christian should ignore God's word, I believe we need to embrace the whole counsel of God and not just cherry pick the verses we like and ignore those which expose our theology as flawed.

I can say the same for you. Did you even really consider the points in my post that refutes Calvinism? By your not addressing them, this means that you....

(a) Did not look at what I had written or
(b) You are ignoring the points I brought up, or
(c) You have not gotten around to figuring them out yet.

Again, I will just give you two glaring problems in Calvinism that you should know how to easily resolve if you claim to truly think Calvinism is the truth.

Why did Jesus preach ‘except you repent, you shall all likewise perish’ when the non-elect can’t repent and the elect can’t perish? (See: Luke 13:5).

How can the Lord hold the non-elect accountable for ‘not believing’ and condemn them for it, when He purposely did not give them the faith to enable them to believe to begin with? John 3:18 says, “...he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.” The verse does not say that they are condemned because God has not given them the ability to believe.
 
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You ask questions that the Bible does not really address. That would be like saying, “what kind of color clothing was Peter wearing when he talked with the apostle Paul in Galatians 2:11-21?

The Bible does not really say.

While it is not an answer to your question directly (because it would be like asking the question like the one above), I am going to mention the importance of the Holy Spirit and obedience (Which will help to clear up your misunderstanding on how things work):

I posted a verse (Acts of the Apostles 5:32) to help you understand the Holy Spirit and obedience. What do you think Acts of the Apostles 5:32 even means? You run away from a verse and start asking questions that the Bible does not really address. You said before that you believe that you were saved while being prodigal.

No I did not. I already posted what I said which was that I doubted my salvation. I also said I didn't know what kind state I was in. You keep harping on something that is not accurate to what I actually said. And then on top of that you keep rubbing my face in it. If you ever do this again I'm going have to report it as a personal attack, so please stop. Thank you.

Members should be able to post their testimony without it being held against them.
 
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No I did not. I already posted what I said which was that I doubted my salvation. I also said I didn't know what kind state I was in. You keep harping on something that is not accurate to what I actually said. And then on top of that you keep rubbing my face in it. If you ever do this again I'm going have to report it as a personal attack, so please stop. Thank you.

Members should be able to post their testimony without it being held against them.

Letting it go. I don't want to make it personal with you by any means.
So let's address the topic another way that is not so personal.

Websites who promote OSAS or Belief Alone-ism like Gotquestions will admit that while the believer who lives excessively in sin should cause them to doubt their salvation, they believe that the prodigal son was saved while he was living in sin with prostitutes for a temporary time within his life.

For they say, "Yes, a true Christian who falls back into sin is still saved,"

Is a backsliding Christian still saved? | GotQuestions.org

This appears to be a predominant view among many Christians today. However, in my humble opinion in studying God's Word and knowing the goodness of God, this is teaching a contradiction. For it's not upholding a standard of morality. For if one is saved temporarily while living it up with prostitutes, then one can do so all the time. But of course we know that the unrighteous will not inherit the Kingdom of God; In fact, we are told not to be deceived about such a thing (1 Corinthians 6:9-10). Meaning, Paul is saying that it is possible that a Christian can be deceived into thinking that the unrighteous can inherit the kingdom of God.
 
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Paul taught about salvation
Paul taught about living in this life.

When you do not distinguish between the two you negate what he clearly taught about salvation:

Ephesians 2:8–10 (NIV84)
8 For it is by grace you have been saved, through faith—and this not from yourselves, it is the gift of God—
9 not by works, so that no one can boast.
10 For we are God’s workmanship, created in Christ Jesus to do good works, which God prepared in advance for us to do.

The good things done are distinct from salvation.

Galatians 6:8-9 appears to refute this line of thinking, though. Paul clearly says that sowing to the flesh (sin) reaps corruption (one way of living which does not talk about salvation), and sowing to the Spirit reaps life everlasting. In verse 9 we learn what this sowing to the Spirit looks like. Paul says that we are to not faint in “well doing” (i.e. good works). So sowing to the Spirit (doing good works by God's power) is a part of reaping life everlasting (salvation). For there is no condemnation to those in Christ Jesus who walk not after the flesh, but who walk after the Spirit (Romans 8:1). To walk after the Spirit is to live righteously and to have the fruits of the Spirit like love, joy, peace, etc. Two destinies. Two choices. We either sow to the flesh, i.e. sin (and end up reaping corruption), or we sow to the Spirit and reap life everlasting. The choice is ours. Belief Alone-ism will not save anyone. For Paul did not teach such a thing at all.
 
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There's one camp that teaches hyper-grace. There's another camp that tries to battle it by teaching hyper-works. They're both spearheaded by the enemy in my opinion.

Jesus talked about spewing those who were lukewarm out of his mouth. He also talked about how we cannot serve two masters, too.

We cannot serve both God and serious sins that the Bible clearly condemns with warnings of hellfire and or condemnation. Believers need to confess and forsake sin in order to have mercy (See: Proverbs 28:13).

I believe it only takes one sin for spiritual death to happen. It happened to Adam. He just committed one sin, and look at the mess all of humanity is in now? God said Adam would die that day he would eat of the tree (Genesis 2:17). But Adam did not drop dead physically that day. Adam died spiritually. Think. The serpent wanted Eve to eat of the wrong tree. His lie was that she was not going to die if she disobeyed God (See: Genesis 3). This same lie is being pushed today by the devil.
 
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Jesus talked about spewing those who were lukewarm out of his mouth. He also talked about how we cannot serve two masters, too.

We cannot serve both God and serious sins that the Bible clearly condemns with warnings of hellfire and or condemnation. Believers need to confess and forsake sin in order to have mercy (See: Proverbs 28:13).

I believe it only takes one sin for spiritual death to happen. It happened to Adam. He just committed one sin, and look at the mess all of humanity is in now? God said Adam would die that day he would eat of the tree (Genesis 2:17). But Adam did not drop dead physically that day. Adam died spiritually. Think. The serpent wanted Eve to eat of the wrong tree. His lie was that she was not going to die if she disobeyed God (See: Genesis 3). This same lie is being pushed today by the devil.

Do you ever post anything positive like God's love and the peace of God, which surpasses all understanding? Or is that too soft?
 
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Do you ever post anything positive like God's love and the peace of God, which surpasses all understanding? Or is that too soft?

But if I just preached only His love and I did not warn against sin in how it can destroy a person's soul, then a person can be deceived into thinking the unrighteous will inherit the Kingdom of God. It would be unloving to not give people the whole counsel of God's Word. For people could misinterpret my love message as a license to turn God's grace into a license to sin if I did not tell them to repent and to live holy according to God's Spirit after being saved by God's grace.
 
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But if I just preached only His love and I did not warn against sin in how it can destroy a person's soul, then a person can be deceived into thinking the unrighteous will inherit the Kingdom of God. It would be unloving to not give people the whole counsel of God's Word. For people could misinterpret my love message as a license to turn God's grace into a license to sin if I did not tell them to repent and to live holy according to God's Spirit after being saved by God's grace.

It was a rhetorical question, Jason. I already figured the answer was no. I sure hope people don't read all that love stuff in the Bible and get mislead by it. Christians need to be as uptight as possible and the good news needs to be delivered with a sledgehammer. Sorry for the sarcasm.
 
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It was a rhetorical question, Jason. I already figured the answer was no. I sure hope people don't read all that love stuff in the Bible and get mislead by it. Christians need to be as uptight as possible. Sorry for the sarcasm.

I do talk about God's love to my fellow brothers in Christ. I also do tell unbelievers of God's love at times. But this is not a sin and still be saved gospel message that Jude 1:4 warns us against. Again, if all a person did was preach the love of God and they did not preach about how sin can destroy our souls, then they are making room for turning God's grace into a license for immorality. For it would be simply a feel good message that tickled people's ears.
 
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