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First, Jesus is not depicted at all in the sculpture. This is about the resurrection of the dead from the graves. Hence, there are skulls and bones all over the place. They are just beginning to regain flesh and blood. The central figure is the first person in the cemetery to get his body resurrected.

Second, it is essentlal to understand that Christianity is based on the hope of resurrection and that all will be raised from the grave - some to eternal life in heaven, but the vast majority to eternity in the Lake of Fire which burns forever and ever.
Now THIS is how misinformation is spread. Did you make that up? It is a statue of Jesus coming out of a Nuclear crater and it is CALLED The Resurrection. Yes it is of Jesus and it was sculpted in 2011 by Fazzini. Where did you get your information?
I think the statue is a monstrosity and how the Pope can sit under Jesus looking that way is beyond me but the Vatican continues to go out of its way to depict horrendous images such as last year's Nativity scene with an astronaut figure and an executioner present instead of wise men. The sculpture is horrific with a horned masked figure standing over the baby Jesus. What is that about? The Catholic community was less than pleased to see this demonic art.
 
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Who is in the middle of the sculpture than?

Do you not think God is powerful enough to have people rise “whole” and not scattered body parts? We are given new bodies according to scripture.

For one thing, it's modern art. A lot of people don't care for modern art, but the artist's conception doesn't settle this theological issue.

More importantly, bodies DO disintegrate in the grave. What's more, the bodies of many of the dead were not intact at death anyway. Victims of bombings, for instance.

At the final resurrection, the dead will be called forth and their bodies glorified. It's not that they never were corrupted while in the grave and it's not necessarily wrong to depict them as coming together in that better form as they are called forth.
 
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Who is in the middle of the sculpture than?

Do you not think God is powerful enough to have people rise “whole” and not scattered body parts? We are given new bodies according to scripture. Also, God is a God of love and burning forever in hell is not love. There is scripture that supports the unsaved will not burn forever in hell. Either will the devil, they will die and be no more. I’ll provide scripture to support this a little latere when I have time, have to run for now. God bless.

We are wandering further and further from the topic of this thread.

The fact remains that orthodox Christians of all denominations have ascribed to the historic creeds of the Church which include the resurrection of the body and the final judgement.
 
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Now THIS is how misinformation is spread. Did you make that up? It is a statue of Jesus coming out of a Nuclear crater and it is CALLED The Resurrection. Yes it is of Jesus and it was sculpted in 2011 by Fazzini. Where did you get your information?
I think the statue is a monstrosity and how the Pope can sit under Jesus looking that way is beyond me but the Vatican continues to go out of its way to depict horrendous images such as last year's Nativity scene with an astronaut figure and an executioner present instead of wise men. The sculpture is horrific with a horned masked figure standing over the baby Jesus. What is that about? The Catholic community was less than pleased to see this demonic art.

What makes you think that this is Jesus Christ? What makes you think that this is a nuclear crater?

Is the statue entitled, "Jesus Christ Being Resurrected from a Nuclear Crater?"

I prefer to hear comments from Catholic members here at CF concerning these two works of art and defer my own opinion to theirs.
 
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What makes you think that this is Jesus Christ? What makes you think that this is a nuclear crater?

Is the statue entitled, "Jesus Christ Being Resurrected from a Nuclear Crater?"

I prefer to hear comments from Catholic members here at CF concerning these two works of art and defer my own opinion to theirs.
Oh? Why not hear it from the VATICAN themselves and then decide?
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For one thing, it's modern art. A lot of people don't care for modern art, but the artist's conception doesn't settle this theological issue.

More importantly, bodies DO decompose in the grave. What's more, the bodies of many of the dead were not intact at death anyway. Victims of bombings, for instance.

At the final resurrection, the dead will be called forth and their bodies glorified. It's not that they never were corrupted while in the grave and it's not necessarily wrong to depict them as coming together in that better form as they are called forth.

Hi Albion,

Are you saying art does not speak to us or provide messages? Especially when its supposed to represent Christ, I would think any sculpture/photo of Christ should be held to a higher standard and be scared. Do you not agree?

I understand what happens when we die because of sin, our bodies decompose but what Jesus second coming represents is LIFE to those who are saved. He is not going to raise mangled body parts, so the message this huge sculpture represents is definitely concerning, especially seeing our Lord and Savior being deformed. We can of course agree to disagree.

God bless
 
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What makes you think that this is Jesus Christ? What makes you think that this is a nuclear crater?

Is the statue entitled, "Jesus Christ Being Resurrected from a Nuclear Crater?"
I prefer to hear comments from Catholic members here at CF concerning these two works of art and defer my own opinion to theirs.
Well you answer questions asked only of SDA's, seems a little doubled sided, no?
 
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Hi Albion,

Are you saying art does not speak to us or provide messages?
No, I was saying that art is whatever is in the eye of the artist, so there's not much reason for us to squirm when viewing it. Or analyze it carefully. It's what the artist thought. So what? His view, whatever it is, doesn't alter our understanding of the Biblical information.

I understand what happens because of sin, our bodies degenerate but what Jesus second coming represents is LIFE to those who are saved. He is not going to raise mangled body parts, so the message this huge sculpture represents is definitely concerning, especially seeing our Lord and Savior being deformed. We can of course agree to disagree.

God bless

Why can't we see the disassembled body parts coming forth, about to be remade into glorified bodies? At some point that changeover has to take place.
 
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No, I was saying that art is whatever is in the eye of the artist, so there's not much reason for us to squirm when viewing it. Or analyze it carefully. It's what the artist thought. So what? His view, whatever it is, doesn't alter our understanding of the Biblical information.



Why can't we see the disassembled body parts coming forth, about to be remade into glorified bodies? At some point that changeover has to take place.
That is not how I want to imagine our Lord and Savior. The images I posted earlier, to me, seems much more happy and Christ-like, but again we can agree to disagree.
 
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Like I said we can agree to disagree. That is not how I want to imagine our Lord and Savior. This images to me seems much more happy and Christ-like
Sure. I don't disagree with that. I don't care for the Vatican's choice of artwork.
 
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Like I said we can agree to disagree. That is not how I want to imagine our Lord and Savior. This images to me seems much more happy and Christ-like

You have every right (at least in this country) to imagine what you will concerning Jesus Christ, as do Muslims, Bhuddist, agnostics, atheists, etc. This does not necessarily mean that what anyone imagines Jesus Christ to be is actually Who He really is, does it?
 
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You have every right (at least in this country) to imagine what you will concerning Jesus Christ, as do Muslims, Bhuddist, agnostics, atheists, etc. This does not necessarily mean that what anyone imagines Jesus Christ to be is actually Who He really is, does it?
Well, Jesus being deformed is not something that is Biblical. Jesus is our Creator and Savior and respect/sacredness should be used when depicting Him.
 
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Isaiah 53:1 Who has believed our report?
And to whom has the arm of the Lord been revealed?
2 For He grew up before Him like a tender shoot,
And like a root out of dry ground;
He has no stately form or majesty
That we would look at Him,
Nor an appearance that we would take pleasure in Him.
 
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For one thing, it's modern art. A lot of people don't care for modern art, but the artist's conception doesn't settle this theological issue.

More importantly, bodies DO disintegrate in the grave. What's more, the bodies of many of the dead were not intact at death anyway. Victims of bombings, for instance.

At the final resurrection, the dead will be called forth and their bodies glorified. It's not that they never were corrupted while in the grave and it's not necessarily wrong to depict them as coming together in that better form as they are called forth.
While all that may be true, would you want to take your children around these depictions at what is not a Halloween display but at a church? Maybe modern art has a place, like an art museum but there is no reason why is should be depicted at what is supposed to be the church of the land. I mean, honestly would this be your first choice if you were given the task of choosing a statue for the Vatican? I doubt it. You can defend it all you want but Jesus Christ emerging from dead bodies in a Nuclear Crater is not even Biblical. It is Maccabre.
 
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Isaiah 53:1 Who has believed our report?
And to whom has the arm of the Lord been revealed?
2 For He grew up before Him like a tender shoot,
And like a root out of dry ground;
He has no stately form or majesty
That we would look at Him,
Nor an appearance that we would take pleasure in Him.
That is your defense?
Ye shall know them by their fruits. Do men gather grapes from thorns, or figs from thistles? Matthew 7:16

A voice was heard upon the high places, weeping and supplications of the children of Israel; for they have perverted their way, and they have forgotten the Lord their God. Jeremiah 3:21
 
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While all that may be true, would you want to take your children around these depictions at what is not a Halloween display but at a church? Maybe modern art has a place, like an art museum but there is no reason why is should be depicted at what is supposed to be the church of the land. I mean, honestly would this be your first choice if you were given the task of choosing a statue for the Vatican? I doubt it. You can defend it all you want but Jesus Christ emerging from dead bodies in a Nuclear Crater is not even Biblical. It is Maccabre.

Actually, I am an iconoclast and any depiction of God is a serious sin, violating the second commandment of the Ten.
 
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While all that may be true, would you want to take your children around these depictions at what is not a Halloween display but at a church?
Probably not. I've already said that I don't care for that artwork. But not liking it and agreeing with every bit of the armchair analysis that I read here are two different things.
 
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Actually, I am an iconoclast and any depiction of God is a serious sin, violating the second commandment of the Ten.
That could be true in any religion based on the Holy Bible. I don't understand what makes them think this is ok regardless of how they depict our Lord and Savior. You would think if they felt they needed to do so He would be portrayed with a bit more respect. Iconclast? Never heard of that. It is a ten commandments for sure.
 
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That could be true in any religion based on the Holy Bible. I don't understand what makes them think this is ok regardless of how they depict our Lord and Savior. You would think if they felt they needed to do so He would be portrayed with a bit more respect. Iconclast? Never heard of that. It is a ten commandments for sure.

There are very few iconoclasts left in Christianity as virtually all churches contain some visualization of God, usually in the form of Jesus Christ. You might find this helpful - Iconoclasm - Wikipedia
 
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There are very few iconoclasts left in Christianity as virtually all churches contain some visualization of God, usually in the form of Jesus Christ. You might find this helpful - Iconoclasm - Wikipedia
So what do you do that is different in your denomination? You do not have idols or statues of images of things from above or below?
 
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