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God's laws teach us how to testify about Christ. For example, God's righteous laws teach us how to testify about Christ's righteousness, so we should live in a way that testifies about Christ's righteousness by following those laws, but if we are testifying about Christ while disobeying those laws, then we are bearing false testimony against his righteousness.
True. So do you believe we are still under the old covenant Mosaic "shadow laws" for remission of sins? Are we still under the earthly Sanctuary law, the laws of the Levitical Priesthood and the old covenant laws of animal sacrifices and sin offerings?

According to God's Word dear friend, we are living in the new covenant today based on better promises *Hebrews 8:6 not the old covenant Mosaic "shadow laws" for remission of sins (Hebrews 10:1-17). All of these "shadow laws" all pointed to and are fulfilled and continued in the body of Christ (Colossians 2:17).

Today these old covenant laws for remission of sins are no longer the same as they were under the old covenant. In the new covenant these same "shadow laws" are fulfilled in Jesus and are continued in Him to who they pointed - the body of Christ (Colossians 2:17). In the new covenant Christ is the coming Messiah and God's perfect sacrifice for the sins of the world once and for all (John 1:29; 36; Hebrews 10:10; Hebrews 9:1-28; Hebrews 10:14-24; 1 John 2:2; Romans 5:8; Ephesians 5:2; Hebrews 10:10-12; 1 Peter 2:24; 2 Corinthians 5:21; 1 John 4:10).

Jesus in the new covenant is also our Great High Priest *Hebrews 7:1-25 now of the order of Melchizedek (King Priest) ministering on our behalf in the Heavenly Sanctuary that the Lord pitched and not men *Hebrews 8:2 of which the earthly was only a copy *Hebrews 8:5

So with this being said dear friend my question for you here for your prayerful consideration..

If the "shadow laws" for remission of sins (Hebrews 10:1-17) from the old covenant (the earthly Sanctuary law, the laws of the Levitical Priesthood and the old covenant laws of animal sacrifices and sin offerings) are today fulfilled and continued in Jesus (the body of Christ) as the promised Messiah as shown in the scriptures above are we following God's Word by living in the shadows of the old covenant that have been fulfilled and continued in Christ and His ministration on our behalf in the new covenant?

We are in the new covenant now to which these "shadow laws" are now fulfilled in the body of Christ (Colossians 2:17). To stay living in the "shadow laws" for remission of sins of the old covenant when these shadows are fulfilled and continued in Christ and Gods' new covenant promises therefore would not be living in a way that testifies of God's righteousness but would be living in a way that denies Christ as the promised Messiah and God's sacrifice for the sins of the world once and for all as did the very Jews that rejected the Christ and crucified God's promise of salvation for all mankind.
It says that they are foreshadows of what is to come, not of what has already come, but either way we should live in a way that testifies about Christ by following those laws. We should structure every aspect of our lives in a way that testifies about the heavenly pattern by following God's instructions for how to do that in His law. In 1 Corinthians 5:6-8, Paul spoke in regard to how Passover foreshadowed Christ by drawing the connection of him being our Passover Lamb, however, instead on concluding that we no longer need to keep Passover now that Christ has come, he concluded that we should therefore continue to keep the feast.
No. Paul in Colossians 2 is discussing the Mosaic "shadow laws" stating that they are all shadow of things to come, but the substance is of Christ. That is all these laws for remission of sins, circumcision, Levitical Priesthood, earthly Sanctuary, laws of animal sacrifices and sin offering are all now fulfilled and continued in the body of Christ who is now here and sacrificed on our behalf (scripture provided in the previous sections). This includes the annual Feast days that all point to Jesus and God's plan of salvation in the new covenant, pointing to Jesus as God's sacrifice for the sins of the world and His new ministration as our Great High Priest *Hebrews 7:1-25 ministering on our behalf in the Heavenly Sanctuary that the Lord pitched and not men *Hebrews 8:2 of which the earthly was only a copy *Hebrews 8:5.

For example as posted earlier Paul does not say anywhere in the scripture that we are to continue to keep the Passover of the old covenant as we are now in the new covenant with the scripture stating; 1 Corinthians 5:7-8 [7], Purge out therefore the old leaven, that you may be a new lump, as you are unleavened. For even Christ our Passover is sacrificed for us:[8], Therefore let us keep the feast, not with old leaven, neither with the leaven of malice and wickedness; but with the unleavened bread of sincerity and truth. As can be shown in this scripture Paul is not telling us to continue keeping the old covenant Passover he is telling us that what the shadow Feast of the Passover pointed to and that is as Colossians 2:17 says is the body of Christ. The Passover was the shadow pointing to the body of Christ that has now arrived and is fulfilled in Christ and continued in Christ in the new covenant based on better promises *Hebrews 8:1-6.
In Colossians 2:16-17, Paul was encouraging them to continue to keep God's feasts and to not let anyone judge them for obeying God. Even if your interpretation were correct, Paul didn't have the authority to countermand God.
Paul is not telling the Colossians believers who were Gentile believers to keep the Feasts in Colossians 2:16-17 [16] as the scripture says; Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holy day, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days: [17] Which are a shadow of things to come; but the body is of Christ.

The key here is v17 these were all "shadows laws" pointing to the body of Christ in which they are fulfilled and continued in. Like "circumcision" pointing to a new heart by faith. These things are no longer a requirement for salvation as Christ our Passover is now sacrificed for us in which these shadows are now fulfilled and continued in under a new covenant based on better promises. Jesus is our Great High Priest *Hebrews 7:1-25 ministering on our behalf in the Heavenly Sanctuary that the Lord pitched and not men *Hebrews 8:2 of which the earthly was only a copy *Hebrews 8:5. To worship God in a manner that denies the very Christ to which the "shadow laws" all point to under the new covenant scriptures is to deny the very God we claim to believe and follow and rejecting Jesus as the Savior of all mankind.

Lets be honest here dear friend. No one keeps the annual Feasts today without a Levitical Priest, animal sacrifices and sin offerings and an earthly Sanctuary which are all a requirement for practicing old covenant laws that are required for the annual Feast days. So please do not pretend that you keep them. Even if we keep them we are denying the very Christ to who they point to under the new covenant in which we are now living.
In 1 Corinthians 9:19-23, Paul said in a parallel statement that he was not outside the law of God, but under the Law of Christ, so he equated the Mosaic Law with the Law of Christ. He was not openly admitting to deceiving people, but was speaking about giving up his rights in order to meet people where they were at.
Of course Paul equated the Mosaic "shadow laws" for remission of sins with the Law of Christ as it was these Mosaic laws that testified and prophesied of Christ and God's sacrifice for the sins of the world and a new covenant based on better promises that the promised Messiah would bring in. The old covenant "shadow laws" testified of the coming Messiah and God's new covenant promise. Of course Paul was not openly deceiving people. He was sharing God's Word showing all people what the Mosaic "shadow laws" for remission of sins pointed to and were fulfilled and continued in under the Gods' new covenant promise - the body of Christ (Colossians 2:17).

Paul tells us in 1 Corinthians 9:19-23 that he became all things to all people, removing the stumbling blocks that may cause all people to reject God's Word so that he had the opportunity to lead all people both Jews and gentiles to Jesus as the promised Messiah to which the old covenant laws pointed to. 1 Corinthians 9:19-23 [19], For though I be free from all men, yet have I made myself servant to all, that I might gain the more. [20], And to the Jews I became as a Jew, that I might gain the Jews; to them that are under the law, as under the law, that I might gain them that are under the law; [21], To them that are without law, as without law, (being not without law to God, but under the law to Christ,) that I might gain them that are without law. [22], To the weak became I as weak, that I might gain the weak: I am made all things to all men, that I might by all means save some. [23], And this I do for the gospel's sake, that I might be partaker thereof with you.

The scriptures above are very clear if you take the time to read them through. Paul became all things to all people that he might reach all people. He did not brake the law to reach people as he knew that under the new covenant we are no longer subject to the Mosaic laws now fulfilled in and continued in Jesus as the promised Messiah. In the case of the Jews, he put himself under the Mosiac "shadow laws" out of love for his Jewish brethren so as not to cause offense and become a stumbling block to those Jews telling everyone that he is teaching against the laws of Moses.
In 1 Corinthians 10:14-22, it is sinful to eat meat from the altar, but it verses 23-31, it was not sinful to eat mean that had previously been offered to idols. The Nazarite vow is about our relationship with God, not about deceiving others. The fact that Paul was prevented from paying for their offerings does not detract from the fact that it was his intention to do so.
As posted earlier, and shown through the scriptures Paul never completed a Nazarite vow as by God's providence he never made the sin offerings required to complete the vow on the 8th day.

As posted earlier, Paul did not take the Nazarite vow because he had to. He took the vow so as not to be a an offense to those Jews which believed he was teaching against the laws of Moses. *Acts of the Apostles 21:21. So Paul's motive for taking the Nazarite vow in Acts of the Apostles 21:20-24 was to remove the bias and hostility of the Jews so he became all things to all people so he could win them to Christ *1 Corinthians 9:19-23.

Paul and the four men did these things out of love, to avoid causing unnecessary offense to their Jewish brothers and sisters. That’s what Paul taught in 1 Corinthians regarding eating meat sacrificed to idols. It is not sinful to eat meat sacrificed to idols, but if it causes your brother offense, then don’t do it. Paul and the four men took a Nazirite vow and Paul had Timothy circumcised, because of the Jews – out of love for them, to avoid causing unnecessary offense to give himself opportunity to preach the gospel.

So was Paul wrong in taking the Nazarite vow? Possibly but not necessarily. According to the scriptures and God's providence we are told that Paul in fact never completed the Nazarite vow as he was never able to offer animal sacrifices required to complete the vow.

Hope this is helpful.
 
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The christian world we living in today doesn’t seem to understand what type of works this is. This is not the works of the law, meaning animal sacrificial laws, which was nail to the cross. Paul explain this in; Hebrews 10: (v.1) For the law (what law, the law of animal sacrifice?) having a shadow of good things to come, and not the very image of the things, can never with those sacrifices which they offered year by year continually make the comers thereunto perfect. (v.9) Then said he, (Jesus) Lo, I come to do thy will, O God. He taketh away the first that he may establish the second. (v.10) By which will we are sanctified through the offering of the body of Jesus Christ once for all.

When Jesus died on the cross that was the end of the first covenant, which consisted of the blood of animals and the keeping of God’s commandments. And his death also brought in the second covenant, which consist of the blood of Jesus and the keeping of God’s commandments. (v.18) Now where remission of these is, there is no more offering for sin. In other words, no more animals are going to die for your sins.

Let’s take a look at both laws in one verse, the Royal law (Ten commandments) and the animal sacrificial law in Galatians 3:10 For as many as are of the works of the law are under the curse: for it is written, Cursed is every one that continueth not in all things which are written in the book of the law to do them. This law is part of the commandments. Paul, is quoting Moses, let's take a look. Cursed be he that confirmeth not all the words of this law to do them. And all the people shall say, Amen. (Deuteronomy 27:26). So when you broke the royal law (commandments), you have to do the works of the law, and this was animal sacrifice.

So now Jesus is the High Priest, no need to deal with that law any more for now. The first works you have to put in for is repentance. You have to repent. Repent, then, and turn to God, so that your sins may be wiped out, that times of refreshing may come from the Lord, (Act 3: 19).

So let’s take a look at some of these works of repentance, and what you have to base your change from. Now, Paul concerning the unchangeable Royal Law of God. In (Rom. 13:7-10) (v.7) Render therefore to all their dues: tribute to whom tribute is due; custom to whom custom; fear to whom fear; honour to whom honour. (v.8) Owe no man any thing, but to love one another: for he that loveth another hath fulfilled the law. That’s the biblical definition of love, the keeping of God’s law. And you thought love was kissing and hugging and rolling around in bed. (v.9) For this, THOU SHALT NOT COMMIT ADULTERY, THOU SHALT NOT KILL, THOU SHALT NOT BEAR FALSE WITNESS, THOU SHALT NOT COVET; and if there be any other commandment, it is briefly comprehended in this saying, namely, THOU SHALT LOVE THY NEIGHBOUR AS THYSELF. (v.10) Love worketh no ill to his neighbour: therefore love is the fulfilling of the law.

And that is what God’s holy commandments are all about; the first four tells you how to love God and the last six tells you how to love your neighbor. If you love your God you will not do any thing to offend him, like having other gods before him. You will do as he says like remember the sabbath day to keep it holy on the seventh day of the week. If you love him you will obey him when he tells you not to eat certain meats etc… And the same goes for your fellow man, if you love your neighbor you wouldn’t steal from him, you wouldn’t kill him, you wouldn’t try and sleep with his wife and so on and so forth. This is God’s definition of love and it is perfect in its ways. So if you say that you know God, but you don’t keep his commandments, let's see what the Lord had specially written for you. (See exodus 20: 1-17). (1John 2:3-4) (v.3) And hereby we do know that we know him, if we keep his commandments. (v.4) he that saith, I know him, and keepeth not his commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him.

So now you may see some changes you have to make in your life. Let’s take a look at something Peter says, in Acts 1: 36-38 "Therefore let all the house of Israel know assuredly, that God hath made that same Jesus, whom ye have crucified, both Lord and Christ. Now when they heard this, they were pricked in their heart, and said unto Peter and to the rest of the apostles, men and brethren, what shall we do? Then Peter said unto them, "repent and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.” Anyone that is not baptized is a person with their sins yet upon them, because it is the baptism that washes away our past sins. "And now why tarriest thou? Arise, and be baptized, and wash away thy sins, calling on the name of the Lord." (Acts 22:16):
Hi Bro.T, lots of interesting points in your post!

I see it differently. I thank God can and sometimes does make changes to what he commands. So regarding the sabbath, I regard all days alike.

Looking forward to an edifying and respectful discussion!
 
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Hi Bro.T, lots of interesting points in your post!

I see it differently. I thank God can and sometimes does make changes to what he commands. So regarding the sabbath, I regard all days alike.

Looking forward to an edifying and respectful discussion!

The lord have not changed his ways. For I am the LORD, I change not; therefore ye sons of Jacob are not consumed (Malachi 3:6) or Hebrews 13:8 Jesus Christ the same yesterday, and to day, and for ever. Honoring the Sabbath on the 7th day is a commandment from God given from the beginning of the creation.
The Sabbath did not start with Moses; understand that the Sabbath day is intended to be observe by all nation of people. Its origin goes back to the creation of the world and of mankind. In (Genesis 2:1) Thus the heavens and the earth were finished, and all the host of them.

2 And on the seventh day God ended his work which he had made; and he rested on the seventh day from all his work which he had made.

3 And God blessed the seventh day, and sanctified it: because that in it he had rested from all his work which God created and made.

The above scriptures clearly show that God blessed, sanctified and made Holy the 7th Day at the beginning of the world. God chose to cease from His labor not because He was tired. He chose to cease and rest because he was finished with His creation. The Lord had completed the heavens and the earth along with the creation of man. This day represent a future day of rest, after the Great tribulation period. This day is not alike any other day, it's set apart.
 
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To say that any of God's laws have ended is to call Jesus a liar and to disregard his warning.

What not what you just read, written in red. You just read Jesus writing, so is it you calling him a liar, if thou doest not believe what's written.

I did not speak against keeping Passover.

You say it's not kept anymore because Jesus came, and that's not correct. I show you Paul kept the passover after the death of Jesus.

In Acts 18:18, it says that Paul shaved his head because he was under a vow. There is only one type of vow in the Bible that involves someone shaving their head, so it could have only referred to a Nazarite vow.

Maybe you're right, but this has nothing to do with the lesson at hand. This lesson is about what you have to do for salvation. All over the Bible the Lord is telling people to repent and keep the commandment. You posting everything you can think of to do the opposite.

Jesus was asked about which of the commandments was the greatest, so he could only have been speaking about commandments that had already been given. I agree that there are many verses in both the OT and the NT that associating our love for God with our obedience to His commandments, and not just ten of them.
That was to let you know that those two greatest commandment are old not new.


In Psalms 119:142, the Mosaic Law is truth, so criticizing them for not obeying the truth could not have been referring to the Mosaic Law. Again, Galatians 3:10-12 contrasts works of the law with the Book of the law. Christ set a sinless example for us to follow of how to walk in obedience to the Mosaic Law, so Paul's problem in Galatians was not with those who were teaching Gentiles how to obey the Mosaic Law as if following Christ was somehow a negative thing, but rather his problem was with those who were wanting to require Gentiles to obey their works of the law in order to become justified. In Deuteronomy 28:1-14, it describes the blessing of living in obedience to the Mosaic Law while verses 15-68 describe the curse of living in disobedience to the Mosaic Law, so being set free from the curse of the law is being set free to enjoy the blessing of the law.


All of the commandments that God has given teach us how to testify about His nature, so they have all been around for as long as God's nature has been eternal, though they have not always been given. In Romans 5:13, sin was in the world before the law was given, so again the laws that define what sin is existed prior to when they were given, and they were given because of transgressions in order to teach us what sin is and to lead us to repent from it. It should be noted that Jesus did not go around telling people that the Mosaic Law had ended and that they needed to stop repenting, but just the opposite, which should strongly influence how to correctly understand what Galatians 3 says about him. In Deuteronomy 5:31-33, Moses wrote down everything that God commanded him without departing from it, so all of the Mosaic Laws are God's eternal commandments. Someone who disregarded everything their schoolmaster taught them after they graduated would be missing the whole point of a schoolmaster. Paul saying that our faith does not abolish God's law is the opposite of saying that it has ended. All of the commandments that God has given are examples of what it looks like to love Him and our neighbor, so the Royal law is inclusive of all of the commandments that God has given, not just ten of them. The Mosaic Law brings us to Christ because everything in it teaches us how to testify about His nature and how to thereby grow in a relationship with him, but does not lead us to Christ so that we can reject it.

Jesus said in Matthew 19:16 And, behold, one came and said unto him, Good Master, what good thing shall I do, that I may have eternal life? 17 And he said unto him, Why callest thou me good? there is none good but one, that is, God: but if thou wilt enter into life, keep the commandments.

So Jesus said, “but if thou wilt enter into life, keep the commandments,” No matter what you read in the Bible, these commandments have to be kept to enter into life, or you will be judge by them. Now let’s read further into what Jesus is saying here in Matthew… Thou shalt do no murder, Thou shalt not commit adultery, Thou shalt not steal, Thou shalt not bear false witness, 19 Honour thy father and thy mother: and, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself. This includes the Sabbath day on the seventh day of the week (Saturday).

This also include,Thou shalt have no other gods before me. (this includes Easter, Christmas, going to church on Sunday and any other pagan or tradition of men that may cause another God to be worship) Thou shalt not make unto thee any graven image, or any likeness of any thing that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth: Thou shalt not bow down thyself to them, nor serve them: for I the Lord thy God am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the children unto the third and fourth generation of them that hate me; And shewing mercy unto thousands of them that love me, and keep my commandments.Thou shalt not take the name of the Lord thy God in vain; for the Lord will not hold him guiltless that taketh his name in vain. Remember the sabbath day, to keep it holy. (Exodus 20:3-8)

Again, Paul said in 2 Timothy 2:15 Study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth.


All of the commandments that God has given are examples of what it looks like to love Him and our neighbor, so the Royal law is inclusive of all of the commandments that God has given, not just ten of them. The Mosaic Law brings us to Christ because everything in it teaches us how to testify about His nature and how to thereby grow in a relationship with him, but does not lead us to Christ so that we can reject it.

You are so without understanding, that not the part that's get me, you can't admit. You don't keep those law you will be judge by them. Paul says in Romans 5:13 (For until the law sin was in the world: but sin is not imputed when there is no law. In other words if there is no law there is no sin. Sin is not imputed or no blame can be accredited to any person when there is no law Now, let's see what sin is according to the Bible in I John 3:4 it states, "whosoever committeth sin transgresseth also the law: for sin is the transgression of the law."and the wages of sin is death (Romans 6:23). Let's go to Revelation 20: 12 And I saw the dead, small and great, stand before God; and the books were opened: and another book was opened, which is the book of life: and the dead were judged out of those things which were written in the books, according to their works. Change your way thinking, you need works. The lesson is showing you have to get some of them!

13 And the sea gave up the dead which were in it; and death and hell delivered up the dead which were in them: and they were judged every man according to their works. Again, you need works! 14 And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death. 15 And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire.

Now, The book is warning you, stop teaching what you saying or writing to people. Whether you decide to get some understanding or not, this is the end result, of what will happen if don't keep these commandments, statutes and judgements. You will be judge from them.
The last chapter in the whole bible reminds us of this one last time. "Blessed are they that do his commandments that they may have right to the tree of life." (Revelation 22:14).

Again, This is lesson is to focus on what you have to do, not what everyone else did in the Bible. They did their part, they telling you what you have to do now! If you think you don't have to do anything and you teaching people likewise. Jesus says in Matthew 5: 19 Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach them, the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven. The least is the lake of fire.
 
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The lord have not changed his ways. For I am the LORD, I change not; therefore ye sons of Jacob are not consumed (Malachi 3:6) or Hebrews 13:8 Jesus Christ the same yesterday, and to day, and for ever. Honoring the Sabbath on the 7th day is a commandment from God given from the beginning of the creation.
The Sabbath did not start with Moses; understand that the Sabbath day is intended to be observe by all nation of people. Its origin goes back to the creation of the world and of mankind. In (Genesis 2:1) Thus the heavens and the earth were finished, and all the host of them.

2 And on the seventh day God ended his work which he had made; and he rested on the seventh day from all his work which he had made.

3 And God blessed the seventh day, and sanctified it: because that in it he had rested from all his work which God created and made.

The above scriptures clearly show that God blessed, sanctified and made Holy the 7th Day at the beginning of the world. God chose to cease from His labor not because He was tired. He chose to cease and rest because he was finished with His creation. The Lord had completed the heavens and the earth along with the creation of man. This day represent a future day of rest, after the Great tribulation period. This day is not alike any other day, it's set apart.
Yes, God definitely doesn't change! We agree on that!

But the commandments that God gives us, or how he tells us to fulfill them, I think that changes.

Doesn't he originally tell Adam and Eve and the animals to eat only plants? And then after the flood he tells them to eat both plants and animals?
 
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True. So do you believe we are still under the old covenant Mosaic "shadow laws" for remission of sins? Are we still under the earthly Sanctuary law, the laws of the Levitical Priesthood and the old covenant laws of animal sacrifices and sin offerings?

According to God's Word dear friend, we are living in the new covenant today based on better promises *Hebrews 8:6 not the old covenant Mosaic "shadow laws" for remission of sins (Hebrews 10:1-17). All of these "shadow laws" all pointed to and are fulfilled and continued in the body of Christ (Colossians 2:17).

Today these old covenant laws for remission of sins are no longer the same as they were under the old covenant. In the new covenant these same "shadow laws" are fulfilled in Jesus and are continued in Him to who they pointed - the body of Christ (Colossians 2:17). In the new covenant Christ is the coming Messiah and God's perfect sacrifice for the sins of the world once and for all (John 1:29; 36; Hebrews 10:10; Hebrews 9:1-28; Hebrews 10:14-24; 1 John 2:2; Romans 5:8; Ephesians 5:2; Hebrews 10:10-12; 1 Peter 2:24; 2 Corinthians 5:21; 1 John 4:10).

Jesus in the new covenant is also our Great High Priest *Hebrews 7:1-25 now of the order of Melchizedek (King Priest) ministering on our behalf in the Heavenly Sanctuary that the Lord pitched and not men *Hebrews 8:2 of which the earthly was only a copy *Hebrews 8:5

So with this being said dear friend my question for you here for your prayerful consideration..

If the "shadow laws" for remission of sins (Hebrews 10:1-17) from the old covenant (the earthly Sanctuary law, the laws of the Levitical Priesthood and the old covenant laws of animal sacrifices and sin offerings) are today fulfilled and continued in Jesus (the body of Christ) as the promised Messiah as shown in the scriptures above are we following God's Word by living in the shadows of the old covenant that have been fulfilled and continued in Christ and His ministration on our behalf in the new covenant?

We are in the new covenant now to which these "shadow laws" are now fulfilled in the body of Christ (Colossians 2:17). To stay living in the "shadow laws" for remission of sins of the old covenant when these shadows are fulfilled and continued in Christ and Gods' new covenant promises therefore would not be living in a way that testifies of God's righteousness but would be living in a way that denies Christ as the promised Messiah and God's sacrifice for the sins of the world once and for all as did the very Jews that rejected the Christ and crucified God's promise of salvation for all mankind.

No. Paul in Colossians 2 is discussing the Mosaic "shadow laws" stating that they are all shadow of things to come, but the substance is of Christ. That is all these laws for remission of sins, circumcision, Levitical Priesthood, earthly Sanctuary, laws of animal sacrifices and sin offering are all now fulfilled and continued in the body of Christ who is now here and sacrificed on our behalf (scripture provided in the previous sections). This includes the annual Feast days that all point to Jesus and God's plan of salvation in the new covenant, pointing to Jesus as God's sacrifice for the sins of the world and His new ministration as our Great High Priest *Hebrews 7:1-25 ministering on our behalf in the Heavenly Sanctuary that the Lord pitched and not men *Hebrews 8:2 of which the earthly was only a copy *Hebrews 8:5.

For example as posted earlier Paul does not say anywhere in the scripture that we are to continue to keep the Passover of the old covenant as we are now in the new covenant with the scripture stating; 1 Corinthians 5:7-8 [7], Purge out therefore the old leaven, that you may be a new lump, as you are unleavened. For even Christ our Passover is sacrificed for us:[8], Therefore let us keep the feast, not with old leaven, neither with the leaven of malice and wickedness; but with the unleavened bread of sincerity and truth. As can be shown in this scripture Paul is not telling us to continue keeping the old covenant Passover he is telling us that what the shadow Feast of the Passover pointed to and that is as Colossians 2:17 says is the body of Christ. The Passover was the shadow pointing to the body of Christ that has now arrived and is fulfilled in Christ and continued in Christ in the new covenant based on better promises *Hebrews 8:1-6.


Paul is not telling the Colossians believers who were Gentile believers to keep the Feasts in Colossians 2:16-17 [16] as the scripture says; Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holy day, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days: [17] Which are a shadow of things to come; but the body is of Christ.


The key here is v17 these were all "shadows laws" pointing to the body of Christ in which they are fulfilled and continued in. Like "circumcision" pointing to a new heart by faith. These things are no longer a requirement for salvation as Christ our Passover is now sacrificed for us in which these shadows are now fulfilled and continued in under a new covenant based on better promises. Jesus is our Great High Priest *Hebrews 7:1-25 ministering on our behalf in the Heavenly Sanctuary that the Lord pitched and not men *Hebrews 8:2 of which the earthly was only a copy *Hebrews 8:5. To worship God in a manner that denies the very Christ to which the "shadow laws" all point to under the new covenant scriptures is to deny the very God we claim to believe and follow and rejecting Jesus as the Savior of all mankind.

Lets be honest here dear friend. No one keeps the annual Feasts today without a Levitical Priest, animal sacrifices and sin offerings and an earthly Sanctuary which are all a requirement for practicing old covenant laws that are required for the annual Feast days. So please do not pretend that you keep them. Even if we keep them we are denying the very Christ to who they point to under the new covenant in which we are now living.

Of course Paul equated the Mosaic "shadow laws" for remission of sins with the Law of Christ as it was these Mosaic laws that testified and prophesied of Christ and God's sacrifice for the sins of the world and a new covenant based on better promises that the promised Messiah would bring in. The old covenant "shadow laws" testified of the coming Messiah and God's new covenant promise. Of course Paul was not openly deceiving people. He was sharing God's Word showing all people what the Mosaic "shadow laws" for remission of sins pointed to and were fulfilled and continued in under the Gods' new covenant promise - the body of Christ (Colossians 2:17).

These days are still kept today. The plan of God is outlined in Leviticus chapter 23. When you begin to read this chapter you will find the Lord's weekly Sabbath and also the Lord's High and Holy Days. Each High Day has a very important meaning, and if you are familiar with them you simply know the plan of God. What God have you to do yesterday, today, is for the future or future event. We don't do the job of a High Priest, so no burn offering of course. There always much to learn when dealing with God. I will give you one example of an Holy High Holy Day, a short version. Let us take a look at the Memorial of the Blowing of Trumpets. Let's go back to Leviticus the 23rd chapter and pick this up. Leviticus 23:23 And the LORD spake unto Moses, saying, 24 Speak unto the children of Israel, saying, In the seventh month, in the first day of the month, shall ye have a Sabbath, a memorial of blowing of trumpets, an holy convocation. 25 Ye shall do no servile work therein: but ye shall offer an offering made by fire unto the LORD.

This day is a High and Holy Sabbath, no servile work is to be done, and you must have a Holy gathering. We are no longer under the sacrificial law so, we don't have to do the sacrifices. We will go into Revelations the 8th chapter to see what the trumpets represent. Revelation 8:1 And when he had opened the seventh seal, there was silence in heaven about the space of half an hour. 2 And I saw the seven angels which stood before God; and to them were given seven trumpets. There will be seven angels blowing trumpets and each time a trumpet is blown a vial of wrath will be poured out.

Revelation 8:6 And the seven angels which had the seven trumpets prepared themselves to sound.

Each time an angel blows a trumpet a catastrophic event will take place on the earth. Let us take a look at some of the things that will happen when a trumpet is blown. We will go to Matthew the 24th chapter. Most people within the so-called Christian community claim the Lord will return and it will be a secret. They also state the Lord will sneak them off the earth and take them into the third heaven. The Bible doesn't support this false hood. When the Lord returns everyone will see Him. Jesus, in Matthew 24 also says that a time will come on the earth that He calls the great tribulation. Many people have some pre-conceived notions what the Lord will do when he returns. All you have to do is read the book it will tell you exactly what's on the Lord's mind. There are no mysteries in the Bible, you are just uninformed. The Lord said He revealed everything unto His Prophets.

Now let's take a look at what is going to happen when the Lord returns. Matthew 24:29 Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken:

The book states immediately after the tribulation the sun will be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken. Does that sound like a secret? Notice something? It is the same time that Peter and Joel spoke about, they called it the Day of the Lord. Take a look at His coming and notice who will see Him. Matthew 24:30 And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.

Notice what the book says? After the sun goes out, the moon turns to blood, and the stars fall, then you shall see the sign of the Son of Man in heaven coming with power and great glory. And who will see Him, and why are they mourning? The book states ALL the tribes of the earth will mourn. All means all! Does that sound like a secret? No! They will be mourning because in the prophet Habakkuk it states the Lord will invade the earth with His troops. In Revelation, the book states the blood will be up to the horses bridle. Isaiah says the mountains are going to be melting like blood. Jeremiah says the slain of the Lord will be from one end of the earth until the other. It is time to mourn don't you think? Jesus isn't coming to speak softly unto you this time, He is coming as a warring God in His full strength.

Matthew 24:31 And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.

Notice what's being said. At the sound of the trump then He will gather his elect, from one end of the earth to the other. The earth is also called heaven. This is the last trump. The Lord will have many many things going on at the same time. Let's see some of the other things that will take place on this Last Trump. Let go to I Corinthians the 15th chapter.

I Corinthians 15:51 Behold, I show you a mystery; we shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed, We shall not all die, but we shall be changed. This is the resurrection of the just. The second resurrection will take place a thousand years later. But, for those in the first resurrection when will this change take place?

I Corinthians 15:52 In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed.

The first resurrection will take place at the last trump and also the deliverance of Israel will take place.

I Corinthians 15:53 For this corruptible must put on incorruption, and this mortal must put on immortality. 54 So when this corruptible shall have put on incorruption, and this mortal shall have put on immortality, and then shall be brought to pass the saying that is written, Death is swallowed up in victory.
Why is death swallowed up in victory? When you become an immortal you can not die any more. It also states in the Book of Revelation, death and hell will be thrown into the lake of fire, which simply mean, after judgment, no one will die any more. The ones that are cast into the lake of fire will also be alive. They will also be immortals, burning for eternity.

This is why we observe The Memorial of the Blowing of Trumpets. It is to remind us what will take place prior to the Lord's return, and also what he will do when He arrives. If you are on the wrong side of the fence the trumpets will be to your hurt. If you are on the right side of the fence, you will become a member of the God family. I suggest sisters and brothers that you continue to read your Bibles and keep up with current events and you will see the Word of God unfold right before your very eyes.




Paul tells us in 1 Corinthians 9:19-23 that he became all things to all people, removing the stumbling blocks that may cause all people to reject God's Word so that he had the opportunity to lead all people both Jews and gentiles to Jesus as the promised Messiah to which the old covenant laws pointed to. 1 Corinthians 9:19-23 [19], For though I be free from all men, yet have I made myself servant to all, that I might gain the more. [20], And to the Jews I became as a Jew, that I might gain the Jews; to them that are under the law, as under the law, that I might gain them that are under the law; [21], To them that are without law, as without law, (being not without law to God, but under the law to Christ,) that I might gain them that are without law. [22], To the weak became I as weak, that I might gain the weak: I am made all things to all men, that I might by all means save some. [23], And this I do for the gospel's sake, that I might be partaker thereof with you.

The scriptures above are very clear if you take the time to read them through. Paul became all things to all people that he might reach all people. He did not brake the law to reach people as he knew that under the new covenant we are no longer subject to the Mosaic laws now fulfilled in and continued in Jesus as the promised Messiah. In the case of the Jews, he put himself under the Mosiac "shadow laws" out of love for his Jewish brethren so as not to cause offense and become a stumbling block to those Jews telling everyone that he is teaching against the laws of Moses.

As posted earlier, and shown through the scriptures Paul never completed a Nazarite vow as by God's providence he never made the sin offerings required to complete the vow on the 8th day.

As posted earlier, Paul did not take the Nazarite vow because he had to. He took the vow so as not to be a an offense to those Jews which believed he was teaching against the laws of Moses. *Acts of the Apostles 21:21. So Paul's motive for taking the Nazarite vow in Acts of the Apostles 21:20-24 was to remove the bias and hostility of the Jews so he became all things to all people so he could win them to Christ *1 Corinthians 9:19-23.

Paul and the four men did these things out of love, to avoid causing unnecessary offense to their Jewish brothers and sisters. That’s what Paul taught in 1 Corinthians regarding eating meat sacrificed to idols. It is not sinful to eat meat sacrificed to idols, but if it causes your brother offense, then don’t do it. Paul and the four men took a Nazirite vow and Paul had Timothy circumcised, because of the Jews – out of love for them, to avoid causing unnecessary offense to give himself opportunity to preach the gospel.

So was Paul wrong in taking the Nazarite vow? Possibly but not necessarily. According to the scriptures and God's providence we are told that Paul in fact never completed the Nazarite vow as he was never able to offer animal sacrifices required to complete the vow.

Hope this is helpful.

You have some good understand in some parts of what I read.
 
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What not what you just read, written in red. You just read Jesus writing, so is it you calling him a liar, if thou doest not believe what's written.

In Matthew 5:17-19, Jesus said that he came not to abolish the law and warned those who would relax the least part of the law or teach others to do the same, so I believe what's written. It is saying that he abolished any laws that is calling him liar, disregarding his warning, and not believing what is written, such as with sacrificial laws.

You say it's not kept anymore because Jesus came, and that's not correct. I show you Paul kept the passover after the death of Jesus.

I did not say that, but rather I cited 1 Corinthians 5:6-8 as Paul saying concluding that we should therefore continue to keep Passover.

Maybe you're right, but this has nothing to do with the lesson at hand. This lesson is about what you have to do for salvation. All over the Bible the Lord is telling people to repent and keep the commandment. You posting everything you can think of to do the opposite.

I don't know if you've gotten me confused with someone else, but I've only spoken in favor of repenting and obeying God's commandments and have said nothing otherwise.

That was to let you know that those two greatest commandment are old not new.

I've said nothing to suggest that I thought they were new.

Jesus said in Matthew 19:16 And, behold, one came and said unto him, Good Master, what good thing shall I do, that I may have eternal life? 17 And he said unto him, Why callest thou me good? there is none good but one, that is, God: but if thou wilt enter into life, keep the commandments.

So Jesus said, “but if thou wilt enter into life, keep the commandments,” No matter what you read in the Bible, these commandments have to be kept to enter into life, or you will be judge by them. Now let’s read further into what Jesus is saying here in Matthew… Thou shalt do no murder, Thou shalt not commit adultery, Thou shalt not steal, Thou shalt not bear false witness, 19 Honour thy father and thy mother: and, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself. This includes the Sabbath day on the seventh day of the week (Saturday).

This also include,Thou shalt have no other gods before me. (this includes Easter, Christmas, going to church on Sunday and any other pagan or tradition of men that may cause another God to be worship) Thou shalt not make unto thee any graven image, or any likeness of any thing that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth: Thou shalt not bow down thyself to them, nor serve them: for I the Lord thy God am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the children unto the third and fourth generation of them that hate me; And shewing mercy unto thousands of them that love me, and keep my commandments.Thou shalt not take the name of the Lord thy God in vain; for the Lord will not hold him guiltless that taketh his name in vain. Remember the sabbath day, to keep it holy. (Exodus 20:3-8)

Again, Paul said in 2 Timothy 2:15 Study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth.

The five principles of the Ten Commandments are also seen throughout God's other commandments.

You are so without understanding, that not the part that's get me, you can't admit. You don't keep those law you will be judge by them. Paul says in Romans 5:13 (For until the law sin was in the world: but sin is not imputed when there is no law. In other words if there is no law there is no sin. Sin is not imputed or no blame can be accredited to any person when there is no law Now, let's see what sin is according to the Bible in I John 3:4 it states, "whosoever committeth sin transgresseth also the law: for sin is the transgression of the law."and the wages of sin is death (Romans 6:23). Let's go to Revelation 20: 12 And I saw the dead, small and great, stand before God; and the books were opened: and another book was opened, which is the book of life: and the dead were judged out of those things which were written in the books, according to their works. Change your way thinking, you need works. The lesson is showing you have to get some of them!

13 And the sea gave up the dead which were in it; and death and hell delivered up the dead which were in them: and they were judged every man according to their works. Again, you need works! 14 And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death. 15 And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire.

Now, The book is warning you, stop teaching what you saying or writing to people. Whether you decide to get some understanding or not, this is the end result, of what will happen if don't keep these commandments, statutes and judgements. You will be judge from them.
The last chapter in the whole bible reminds us of this one last time. "Blessed are they that do his commandments that they may have right to the tree of life." (Revelation 22:14).

Again, This is lesson is to focus on what you have to do, not what everyone else did in the Bible. They did their part, they telling you what you have to do now! If you think you don't have to do anything and you teaching people likewise. Jesus says in Matthew 5: 19 Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach them, the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven. The least is the lake of fire.

I have only spoken in favor of keeping God's commandments.
 
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Yes, God definitely doesn't change! We agree on that!

But the commandments that God gives us, or how he tells us to fulfill them, I think that changes.

Doesn't he originally tell Adam and Eve and the animals to eat only plants? And then after the flood he tells them to eat both plants and animals?
The following is just for clarity:

GOD CANNOT BE MADE TO REPENT LIKE A MAN: AGAINST HIS OWN WILL

"Then came the word of the Lord unto Samuel, saying, It repenteth me that I have set up Saul to be king: for he is turned back from following me, and hath not performed my commandments. And it grieved Samuel; and he cried unto the Lord all night." --1 Samuel 15:10-11

"And Samuel said unto Saul, I will not return with thee: for thou hast rejected the word of the Lord, and the Lord hath rejected thee from being king over Israel. And as Samuel turned about to go away, he laid hold upon the skirt of his mantle, and it rent. And Samuel said unto him, The Lord hath rent the kingdom of Israel from thee this day, and hath given it to a neighbour of thine, that is better than thou. And also the Strength of Israel will not lie nor repent: for he is not a man, that he should repent." --1 Samuel 15:26-29

"Then Samuel went to Ramah; and Saul went up to his house to Gibeah of Saul. And Samuel came no more to see Saul until the day of his death: nevertheless Samuel mourned for Saul: and the Lord repented that he had made Saul king over Israel." --1 Samuel 15:34-35



GOD REPENTS LIKE A SOVEREIGN: ACCORDING TO HIS OWN WILL

"Nevertheless he regarded their affliction, when he heard their cry: and he remembered for them his covenant, and repented according to the multitude of his mercies." --Psalms 106:44-45

"Therefore also now, saith the Lord, turn ye even to me with all your heart, and with fasting, and with weeping, and with mourning: and rend your heart, and not your garments, and turn unto the Lord your God: for he is gracious and merciful, slow to anger, and of great kindness, and repenteth him of the evil." --Joel 2:12-13

"But it displeased Jonah exceedingly, and he was very angry. And he prayed unto the Lord, and said, I pray thee, O Lord, was not this my saying, when I was yet in my country? Therefore I fled before unto Tarshish: for I knew that thou art a gracious God, and merciful, slow to anger, and of great kindness, and repentest thee of the evil. Therefore now, O Lord, take, I beseech thee, my life from me; for it is better for me to die than to live." --Jonah 4:1-3

"At what instant I shall speak concerning a nation, and concerning a kingdom, to pluck up, and to pull down, and to destroy it; if that nation, against whom I have pronounced, turn from their evil, I will repent of the evil that I thought to do unto them. And at what instant I shall speak concerning a nation, and concerning a kingdom, to build and to plant it; if it do evil in my sight, that it obey not my voice, then I will repent of the good, wherewith I said I would benefit them." --Jeremiah 18:7-10

I will endeavor to answer the question concerning the law very shortly, God willing.
 
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But the commandments that God gives us, or how he tells us to fulfill them, I think that changes.
Actually, not quite: there is a change, but not as man does, for the change is natural, that is, like the rules given to a son remain so long as they apply for the time, but when he is of age, they change, not in their nature, but administration; for they are then transferred to him for dispensation--this is true of any right-rule, for righteousness is timeless, but it's administration is not: this is because administration requires those that are informed to teach them that are ignorant, which thing has an end. Amen.

The following will prove, by the scriptures, that God's laws remain, unchanged, and eternal, like His Son:

THE ADMINISTRATION OF THE LAW IS NOW TRANSLATED TO CHRIST

"If therefore perfection were by the Levitical priesthood, (for under it the people received the law,) what further need was there that another priest should rise after the order of Melchisedec, and not be called after the order of Aaron? For the priesthood being changed, there is made of necessity a change also of the law." --Hebrews 7:11-12

This "change"* is not a transformation of priestly duties, but their transfer; nor is this "change"* a transformation of the law, but it's transfer: both, transferred to Christ, Who is the new Administrator of God's laws, and the fulfillment of the old covenant, Himself being the holocaust for us.

*Strong's:
3331 metathesis met-ath'-es-is from 3346; transposition, i.e. transferral

3346 metatithemi met-at-ith'-ay-mee from 3326 and 5087; to transfer, i.e. (literally) transport, (by implication) exchange, (reflexively) change sides, or (figuratively) pervert:--carry over, change, remove, translate, turn. see GREEK for 3326 see GREEK for 5087

Examples of Ancient Translations in Harmony:

"translatio"
-E. Jerome
Heb 7:12
(L. Vulgate)
[c.405]

"translacioun"
-J. Wycliffe
Heb 7:12
(Wycliffe B.)
[c.1395]

"translated"
-W. Tyndale
Heb 7:12
(Tyndale B.)
[1525/1530]

"traspasamiento"
-C. de Reina
Heb 7:12
(B. del Oso)
[1569]

Definition:

Translation /Trans·la´tion/ (?), n. [F. translation, L. translatio a transferring, translation, version. See Translate, and cf. Tralation.] 1. The act of translating, removing, or transferring; removal; also, the state of being translated or removed; as, the translation of Enoch; the translation of a bishop.

--Webster's Revised Unabridged Dictionary of the English Language [1913]

The above is, of course, a summary, but key, for it is irrefutable, and it's acceptance puts in order many misconceptions.

May it benefit you. Amen.
 
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First let me say that God had Peter to clearly warn us about some of Paul’s writing. (2 Peter:3:15-16) (v.15) And account that the longsuffering of our Lord is salvation; even as our beloved brother Paul also according to the wisdom given unto him hath written unto you; (v.16) As also in all his epistles, speaking in them of these things; in which are some things hard to be understood, which they that are unlearned and unstable wrest, as they do also the other scriptures, unto their own destruction. Now let us take heed to this warning, we can’t ignore all the bible and just concentrate on a hand full of verses out of the writings of Paul. Because some of Paul’s writing is hard to be understood.

I'm not sure what you mean by "warn". What Paul wrote is just as inspired and true as what Peter wrote even though some things Paul wrote are hard (but not impossible) to be understood. Romans 6 is easy to understand. Paul clearly refutes the idea of grace alone in Romans 6 and some may, as Peter says, wrest what Paul says in requiring obedience in order to be saved simply because it does not fit their personal bias.


Bro.T said:
So let's talk about Paul writing in Ephesians 2: 8 For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God: 9 Not of works, lest any man should boast. 10 For we are his workmanship, created in Christ Jesus unto good works, which God hath before ordained that we should walk in them.

Now we going back to animal sacrificial law conversation. To explain these verses I have to go backward from this lesson. When Paul talks he speaks about two different types of works, two different types of laws, two different deaths and you have slightly mix up the works.

If Jesus didn't come and die or become a sin offering for mankind all would have been put in the lake of fire, including, David, Solomon, Isaiah, Ezekiel, Noah, Abraham, Moses, Elijah, etc. Paul says in Romans 5:14 Nevertheless death reigned from Adam to Moses, even over them that had not sinned after the similitude of Adam's transgression, who is the figure of him that was to come. This is talking about the first and second death. I notice on this forum, most people don't talk about the second death, and that's the most important death to worry about.

Paul says in 1 Corinthians 15:22 For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ shall all be made alive. See, Adam brought both death. This is why the atonement was practice in Leviticus 16 and so important. They had to live in hopes of what we living in now, because Christ already came and died in our day. But in their time, they sins was always on them including the second death. That's why Paul says in Hebrew 10: For the law (what law, the law of animal sacrifice?) having a shadow of good things to come, and not the very image of the things, can never with those sacrifices which they offered year by year continually make the comers thereunto perfect. Because animal can't take away sins. The Lord had Moses to use two scapegoats because they were practicing on what Jesus had to actually go through to remove the sins off of mankind for righteous.

Now, Paul says in Hebrews 9:27 And as it is appointed unto men once to die, but after this the judgment: Let's take a look in Isaiah 33:14 The sinners in Zion are afraid; fearfulness hath surprised the hypocrites. Who among us shall dwell with the devouring fire? This is hard for most people to understand this, because people are not taught about the second death, and when they see the word death in the Bible, they looking at it as the first death most of the time. But let's get a verse out the Bible thats clean cut in Revelation 21:8 But the fearful, and unbelieving, and the abominable, and murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars, shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone: which is the second death.

So I thank God the more and more, because three times Jesus prayed to the Father in Matthew 26:39 And he went a little further, and fell on his face, and prayed, saying, O my Father, if it be possible, let this cup pass from me: nevertheless not as I will, but as thou wilt. A man asked Jesus this very question, "...What good thing shall I do that I may have eternal life?", and Jesus replied, Why callest thou me good? there is none good but one, that is, God: but if thou wilt enter into life, keep the commandments. (Matthew 19:16-19). This lesson is to focus the faith and works we have to do, to enter in life. The prophets, Jesus and the apostles, all put in work, we have to do the same. Only this time, you going to die for your own sins, no one else.

In Ephesians 2:9 Paul is eliminate works of merit from salvation, not an obedient faith. Some wrongly try and make verse 9 eliminate ALL works of ALL kinds which creates a contradiction within the context of Ephesians 2:9-10. If verse 9 eliminates ALL works of ALL kinds then that eliminates the good works of verse 10 which are a requirement for the Christian. One cannot become a Christian, be void of good works yet still be saved. Those who are unfruitful will be cut off like a unfruitful branch and thrown into the fire.
 
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True. So do you believe we are still under the old covenant Mosaic "shadow laws" for remission of sins? Are we still under the earthly Sanctuary law, the laws of the Levitical Priesthood and the old covenant laws of animal sacrifices and sin offerings?

According to God's Word dear friend, we are living in the new covenant today based on better promises *Hebrews 8:6 not the old covenant Mosaic "shadow laws" for remission of sins (Hebrews 10:1-17). All of these "shadow laws" all pointed to and are fulfilled and continued in the body of Christ (Colossians 2:17).

Today these old covenant laws for remission of sins are no longer the same as they were under the old covenant. In the new covenant these same "shadow laws" are fulfilled in Jesus and are continued in Him to who they pointed - the body of Christ (Colossians 2:17). In the new covenant Christ is the coming Messiah and God's perfect sacrifice for the sins of the world once and for all (John 1:29; 36; Hebrews 10:10; Hebrews 9:1-28; Hebrews 10:14-24; 1 John 2:2; Romans 5:8; Ephesians 5:2; Hebrews 10:10-12; 1 Peter 2:24; 2 Corinthians 5:21; 1 John 4:10).

Jesus in the new covenant is also our Great High Priest *Hebrews 7:1-25 now of the order of Melchizedek (King Priest) ministering on our behalf in the Heavenly Sanctuary that the Lord pitched and not men *Hebrews 8:2 of which the earthly was only a copy *Hebrews 8:5

So with this being said dear friend my question for you here for your prayerful consideration..

If the "shadow laws" for remission of sins (Hebrews 10:1-17) from the old covenant (the earthly Sanctuary law, the laws of the Levitical Priesthood and the old covenant laws of animal sacrifices and sin offerings) are today fulfilled and continued in Jesus (the body of Christ) as the promised Messiah as shown in the scriptures above are we following God's Word by living in the shadows of the old covenant that have been fulfilled and continued in Christ and His ministration on our behalf in the new covenant?

We are in the new covenant now to which these "shadow laws" are now fulfilled in the body of Christ (Colossians 2:17). To stay living in the "shadow laws" for remission of sins of the old covenant when these shadows are fulfilled and continued in Christ and Gods' new covenant promises therefore would not be living in a way that testifies of God's righteousness but would be living in a way that denies Christ as the promised Messiah and God's sacrifice for the sins of the world once and for all as did the very Jews that rejected the Christ and crucified God's promise of salvation for all mankind.

All of God's laws teach us about aspects of Christ's nature, so when we express his holiness, righteousness, goodness, justice, mercifulness, faithfulness, love, joy, peace, patientive, kindness, gentleness, self-control, etc., in obedience to God's laws we are testifying about who Christ is and are thereby gaining experiential knowledge of him, or in other words, we are growing in a relationship with him. This why those who say that they know Jesus, but don't obey his commands are liars (1 John 2:4), those who continue to practice transgression of God's law have neither seen or known him (1 John 3:4-6), and why Jesus said that he would tell those who are workers of lawlessness to depart from him because he never knew them (Matthew 7:23). So while we are under the New Covenant and not under the Mosaic Covenant, we are nevertheless still under the same God with the same nature and therefore the same laws for how to testify about Christ's nature.

The goal of Israel's obedience to the Mosaic Law was to be light and a blessing to the nations through testifying about who Christ is so that the nations would have an example to follow of how to grow in a relationship with him (Deuteronomy 4:5-8). However, when Israel did not obey the Mosaic Law, then they misrepresented who Christ is to the nations, so to say that any of God's laws have ended is also to misrepresent Christ by denying that what they teach us about Christ's nature is true and to have an incomplete understanding of what God has revealed about his nature.

While Hebrews 8 says that the New Covenant is based on better promises, it does not say anything about it being made with a different God with a different nature and different laws for how to testify about His nature, but rather it still involves following the same law (Hebrews 8:10). Christ fulfilled the law by teaching us how to obey it by word and by example, and as follower of Christ, we should seek by faith to follow what he taught by word and by example. It is contradictory for you to think that laws continue in the body of Christ but that the body of Christ should not continue to follow them. God's laws foreshadow what is to come, so we should still live in a way that testifies about what is to come by obeying them. God can be trusted to give good laws that testify about Christ, so He did not give any laws for the purpose of denying Christ. It is completely absurd for you think that we can deny Christ by obeying what God has commanded instead of by refusing to submit to what He has commanded. Christ did not establish the New Covenant for the purpose of undermining his ministry.

No. Paul in Colossians 2 is discussing the Mosaic "shadow laws" stating that they are all shadow of things to come, but the substance is of Christ. That is all these laws for remission of sins, circumcision, Levitical Priesthood, earthly Sanctuary, laws of animal sacrifices and sin offering are all now fulfilled and continued in the body of Christ who is now here and sacrificed on our behalf (scripture provided in the previous sections). This includes the annual Feast days that all point to Jesus and God's plan of salvation in the new covenant, pointing to Jesus as God's sacrifice for the sins of the world and His new ministration as our Great High Priest *Hebrews 7:1-25 ministering on our behalf in the Heavenly Sanctuary that the Lord pitched and not men *Hebrews 8:2 of which the earthly was only a copy *Hebrews 8:5.

For example as posted earlier Paul does not say anywhere in the scripture that we are to continue to keep the Passover of the old covenant as we are now in the new covenant with the scripture stating; 1 Corinthians 5:7-8 [7], Purge out therefore the old leaven, that you may be a new lump, as you are unleavened. For even Christ our Passover is sacrificed for us:[8], Therefore let us keep the feast, not with old leaven, neither with the leaven of malice and wickedness; but with the unleavened bread of sincerity and truth. As can be shown in this scripture Paul is not telling us to continue keeping the old covenant Passover he is telling us that what the shadow Feast of the Passover pointed to and that is as Colossians 2:17 says is the body of Christ. The Passover was the shadow pointing to the body of Christ that has now arrived and is fulfilled in Christ and continued in Christ in the new covenant based on better promises *Hebrews 8:1-6.

The New Covenant still involves following God's law (Hebrews 8:10), which includes the command to keep Passover. Paul said that we should continue to keep Passover, but you are free to disagree with him if you want.

Paul is not telling the Colossians believers who were Gentile believers to keep the Feasts in Colossians 2:16-17 [16] as the scripture says; Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holy day, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days: [17] Which are a shadow of things to come; but the body is of Christ.

The key here is v17 these were all "shadows laws" pointing to the body of Christ in which they are fulfilled and continued in. Like "circumcision" pointing to a new heart by faith. These things are no longer a requirement for salvation as Christ our Passover is now sacrificed for us in which these shadows are now fulfilled and continued in under a new covenant based on better promises. Jesus is our Great High Priest *Hebrews 7:1-25 ministering on our behalf in the Heavenly Sanctuary that the Lord pitched and not men *Hebrews 8:2 of which the earthly was only a copy *Hebrews 8:5. To worship God in a manner that denies the very Christ to which the "shadow laws" all point to under the new covenant scriptures is to deny the very God we claim to believe and follow and rejecting Jesus as the Savior of all mankind.

Lets be honest here dear friend. No one keeps the annual Feasts today without a Levitical Priest, animal sacrifices and sin offerings and an earthly Sanctuary which are all a requirement for practicing old covenant laws that are required for the annual Feast days. So please do not pretend that you keep them. Even if we keep them we are denying the very Christ to who they point to under the new covenant in which we are now living.

In Colossians 2:20-23, Paul described the people who were judging the Colossians as teaching human precepts and traditions, self-made religion, asceticism, an severity to the body, so they were being judged by pagans because they were keeping God's holy days and Paul was encouraging them not to let any man judge them and keep them from obeying God. They are important foreshadows of what is to come, not of what has already happened. It is ironic when people try to use this passage to justify their refusal to obey God. Circumcision has always pointed to the heart and the way to tell that someone has a circumcised heart is by their obedience to the Mosaic Law (Deuteronomy 10:12-16, 30:6, Jeremiah 9:24-26, Romans 2:26-29, Acts 7:51-53).

Living in obedience to the Mosaic Law through faith is necessarily part of Christ saving us from living in disobedience to it. In Deuteronomy 13:4-5, the way that God instructed His people to determine that someone is a false prophet who is not speaking for Him was if they taught against obeying any of His laws, so that is how we can be confident that you are not speaking for God. It continues to be completely absurd for you to think that God taught the Israelites to deny Christ. When Israelites were in exile in Babylon, the condition for their return to the land was to first return to obedience to the Mosaic Law, which required them to have access to the temple, which they didn't have access to while they were in exile, so when we don't have access to the temple, then we should nevertheless be faithful to obey as much as we can.

Of course Paul equated the Mosaic "shadow laws" for remission of sins with the Law of Christ as it was these Mosaic laws that testified and prophesied of Christ and God's sacrifice for the sins of the world and a new covenant based on better promises that the promised Messiah would bring in. The old covenant "shadow laws" testified of the coming Messiah and God's new covenant promise. Of course Paul was not openly deceiving people. He was sharing God's Word showing all people what the Mosaic "shadow laws" for remission of sins pointed to and were fulfilled and continued in under the Gods' new covenant promise - the body of Christ (Colossians 2:17).

Paul tells us in 1 Corinthians 9:19-23 that he became all things to all people, removing the stumbling blocks that may cause all people to reject God's Word so that he had the opportunity to lead all people both Jews and gentiles to Jesus as the promised Messiah to which the old covenant laws pointed to. 1 Corinthians 9:19-23 [19], For though I be free from all men, yet have I made myself servant to all, that I might gain the more. [20], And to the Jews I became as a Jew, that I might gain the Jews; to them that are under the law, as under the law, that I might gain them that are under the law; [21], To them that are without law, as without law, (being not without law to God, but under the law to Christ,) that I might gain them that are without law. [22], To the weak became I as weak, that I might gain the weak: I am made all things to all men, that I might by all means save some. [23], And this I do for the gospel's sake, that I might be partaker thereof with you.

The scriptures above are very clear if you take the time to read them through. Paul became all things to all people that he might reach all people. He did not brake the law to reach people as he knew that under the new covenant we are no longer subject to the Mosaic laws now fulfilled in and continued in Jesus as the promised Messiah. In the case of the Jews, he put himself under the Mosiac "shadow laws" out of love for his Jewish brethren so as not to cause offense and become a stumbling block to those Jews telling everyone that he is teaching against the laws of Moses.

If Paul had been teaching against the laws of Moses, but had tried to convince people that he still lived in obedience to it, then he was deceiving people, however, that is not what he was doing, but rather he took steps to disprove false rumors that he had been doing that and to show that he continued to live in obedience to it (Acts 21:20-24). He said that he was no without God's law, so he was still obeying the Mosaic Law as part of the New Covenant. Sin is the transgression of the Mosaic Law and Paul did not sin in order to reach sinners, but rather he was speaking about giving up his rights to meet people where they were at.

As posted earlier, and shown through the scriptures Paul never completed a Nazarite vow as by God's providence he never made the sin offerings required to complete the vow on the 8th day.

As posted earlier, Paul did not take the Nazarite vow because he had to. He took the vow so as not to be a an offense to those Jews which believed he was teaching against the laws of Moses. *Acts of the Apostles 21:21. So Paul's motive for taking the Nazarite vow in Acts of the Apostles 21:20-24 was to remove the bias and hostility of the Jews so he became all things to all people so he could win them to Christ *1 Corinthians 9:19-23.

Paul and the four men did these things out of love, to avoid causing unnecessary offense to their Jewish brothers and sisters. That’s what Paul taught in 1 Corinthians regarding eating meat sacrificed to idols. It is not sinful to eat meat sacrificed to idols, but if it causes your brother offense, then don’t do it. Paul and the four men took a Nazirite vow and Paul had Timothy circumcised, because of the Jews – out of love for them, to avoid causing unnecessary offense to give himself opportunity to preach the gospel.

So was Paul wrong in taking the Nazarite vow? Possibly but not necessarily. According to the scriptures and God's providence we are told that Paul in fact never completed the Nazarite vow as he was never able to offer animal sacrifices required to complete the vow.

Hope this is helpful.

Again, the fact that he was prevented paying for their offerings does not detract from the fact that it was his intention to do so or from the fact that he through it was the right course of action. No one took a Nazarite vow because they had to, but rather it was completely voluntary. It was about seeking a deeper relationship with God and had nothing to do with avoiding offense. Paul took the vow in Acts 18:18 long before he went to pay the expenses of others who had taken a similar vow in Acts 21:20, so his reason for taking the vow was unrelated to the situation in Acts 21:20. It has never been sinful to eat meat that had previously been sacrificed to idols. Again, Paul was not deceiving people under the guise of not causing offense. Nowhere does the Bible describe Paul being preventing from taking the vow as being God's providence, nor would it have been wrong if Paul had not been prevented from doing what he intended to do.
 
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I'm not sure what you mean by "warn". What Paul wrote is just as inspired and true as what Peter wrote even though some things Paul wrote are hard (but not impossible) to be understood. Romans 6 is easy to understand. Paul clearly refutes the idea of grace alone in Romans 6 and some may, as Peter says, wrest what Paul says in requiring obedience in order to be saved simply because it does not fit their personal bias.




In Ephesians 2:9 Paul is eliminate works of merit from salvation, not an obedient faith. Some wrongly try and make verse 9 eliminate ALL works of ALL kinds which creates a contradiction within the context of Ephesians 2:9-10. If verse 9 eliminates ALL works of ALL kinds then that eliminates the good works of verse 10 which are a requirement for the Christian. One cannot become a Christian, be void of good works yet still be saved. Those who are unfruitful will be cut off like a unfruitful branch and thrown into the fire.

Your response is almost as if you didn't read anything I explain. You not understanding. Let's do what I call a process of elimination. Who's great Jesus or Paul? Jesus of course! Let's see what you have to do to get salvation, or as Jesus says to enter into life. Jesus said in Matthew 19:16 And, behold, one came and said unto him, Good Master, what good thing shall I do, that I may have eternal life? 17 And he said unto him, Why callest thou me good? there is none good but one, that is, God: but if thou wilt enter into life, keep the commandments.

So Jesus said, “but if thou wilt enter into life, keep the commandments,” No matter what you read in the Bible, these commandments have to be kept to enter into life, or you will be judge by them. Now let’s read further into what Jesus is saying here in Matthew… Thou shalt do no murder, Thou shalt not commit adultery, Thou shalt not steal, Thou shalt not bear false witness, 19 Honour thy father and thy mother: and, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.

This includes the Sabbath day on the seventh day of the week (Saturday).

This also include,Thou shalt have no other gods before me. (this includes Easter, Christmas, going to church on Sunday and any other pagan or tradition of men that may cause another God to be worship) Thou shalt not make unto thee any graven image, or any likeness of any thing that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth:

Thou shalt not bow down thyself to them, nor serve them: for I the Lord thy God am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the children unto the third and fourth generation of them that hate me; And shewing mercy unto thousands of them that love me, and keep my commandments. Thou shalt not take the name of the Lord thy God in vain; for the Lord will not hold him guiltless that taketh his name in vain. Remember the sabbath day, to keep it holy. (Exodus 20:3-8)

This is simple to understand and Paul was not around at this time. You not understanding paul's writing. Never use Paul over Jesus words, don't be afraid to say I don't understand. Let's deal with Ephesians 2: 8 For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God: 9 Not of works, lest any man should boast. Now this type of works is for Jesus only. Even though Paul is talking to the Gentiles, there is no works that man could of done to get this grace for mankind. Because For the wages of sin is death; but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord. (Romans 6:23). Whosoever committeth sin transgresseth also the law: for sin is the transgression of the law. (I John 3:4) Transgression is braking of the commandments.

Adam brought the first and second death to mankind. Do you understand that there are two death, in the creation now. Just like Paul talks about two different types of laws, one Royal laws (Ten Commandment, statutes and Judgement), second animal sacrificial laws and three different types of works. One type works is animal sacrificial laws of works which was nail to the cross, the works Jesus did by grace for the creation, and last your works to salvation.

Paul says in 1 Corinthians 15:22 For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ shall all be made alive. Now, Paul says in Hebrews 9:27 And as it is appointed unto men once to die, but after this the judgment. People die every day, but it's the second death you have to more concern with. This is why you get baptise in the name of Jesus for the remission of sins, your past sins, not future. Let's see that second death in Revelation 21:8 But the fearful, and unbelieving, and the abominable, and murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars, shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone: which is the second death.

Now let's go back to Ephesians 2: 10 For we are his workmanship, created in Christ Jesus unto good works, which God hath before ordained that we should walk in them. Now, this is the works this lesson is to focus on. Most of us have to repent and learn to do good works that pleases God. Jesus says in Matthew 5:16 Let your light so shine before men, that they may see your good works, and glorify your Father which is in heaven. So if you get stuck in Paul's writing always go back to Jesus and see what he says.
 
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Actually, not quite: there is a change, but not as man does, for the change is natural, that is, like the rules given to a son remain so long as they apply for the time, but when he is of age, they change, not in their nature, but administration; for they are then transferred to him for dispensation--this is true of any right-rule, for righteousness is timeless, but it's administration is not: this is because administration requires those that are informed to teach them that are ignorant, which thing has an end. Amen.

The following will prove, by the scriptures, that God's laws remain, unchanged, and eternal, like His Son:

THE ADMINISTRATION OF THE LAW IS NOW TRANSLATED TO CHRIST

"If therefore perfection were by the Levitical priesthood, (for under it the people received the law,) what further need was there that another priest should rise after the order of Melchisedec, and not be called after the order of Aaron? For the priesthood being changed, there is made of necessity a change also of the law." --Hebrews 7:11-12

This "change"* is not a transformation of priestly duties, but their transfer; nor is this "change"* a transformation of the law, but it's transfer: both, transferred to Christ, Who is the new Administrator of God's laws, and the fulfillment of the old covenant, Himself being the holocaust for us.

*Strong's:
3331 metathesis met-ath'-es-is from 3346; transposition, i.e. transferral

3346 metatithemi met-at-ith'-ay-mee from 3326 and 5087; to transfer, i.e. (literally) transport, (by implication) exchange, (reflexively) change sides, or (figuratively) pervert:--carry over, change, remove, translate, turn. see GREEK for 3326 see GREEK for 5087

Examples of Ancient Translations in Harmony:

"translatio"
-E. Jerome
Heb 7:12
(L. Vulgate)
[c.405]

"translacioun"
-J. Wycliffe
Heb 7:12
(Wycliffe B.)
[c.1395]

"translated"
-W. Tyndale
Heb 7:12
(Tyndale B.)
[1525/1530]

"traspasamiento"
-C. de Reina
Heb 7:12
(B. del Oso)
[1569]

Definition:

Translation /Trans·la´tion/ (?), n. [F. translation, L. translatio a transferring, translation, version. See Translate, and cf. Tralation.] 1. The act of translating, removing, or transferring; removal; also, the state of being translated or removed; as, the translation of Enoch; the translation of a bishop.

--Webster's Revised Unabridged Dictionary of the English Language [1913]

The above is, of course, a summary, but key, for it is irrefutable, and it's acceptance puts in order many misconceptions.

May it benefit you. Amen.
At one time, humans are told not to eat animals. At a later time, they are told it's okay.

To me, that sounds like a change. Of course, another person may choose to use a different word, these things are subjective.

I don't think all of the levitical priestly duties were transferred to Jesus. For example, the levitical priest was summoned to inspect fungus in a house. I don't think Jesus does that.

At one time summon the priest, now, do not.

At one time, things coming into you from the outside could make you unclean. Now, nothing coming into you from the outside will make you unclean.

We can use whatever words we want to describe these situations. To me, the best word is change.
 
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In Matthew 5:17-19, Jesus said that he came not to abolish the law and warned those who would relax the least part of the law or teach others to do the same, so I believe what's written. It is saying that he abolished any laws that is calling him liar, disregarding his warning, and not believing what is written, such as with sacrificial laws.



I did not say that, but rather I cited 1 Corinthians 5:6-8 as Paul saying concluding that we should therefore continue to keep Passover.



I don't know if you've gotten me confused with someone else, but I've only spoken in favor of repenting and obeying God's commandments and have said nothing otherwise.



I've said nothing to suggest that I thought they were new.



The five principles of the Ten Commandments are also seen throughout God's other commandments.



I have only spoken in favor of keeping God's commandments.

My apologies if I did, keep up the good work and remember Jesus says in Matthew 16:27 For the Son of man shall come in the glory of his Father with his angels; and then he shall reward every man according to his works.
 
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Ye shall not make yourselves abominable with any creeping thing that creepeth, neither shall ye make yourselves unclean with them, that ye should be defiled thereby. For I am the LORD your God: ye shall therefore sanctify yourselves, and ye shall be holy; for I am holy: neither shall ye defile yourselves with any manner of creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth. For I am the LORD that bringeth you up out of the land of Egypt, to be your God: ye shall therefore be holy, for I am holy. (Leviticus 11:43-45)

Note what the Lord says, "Ye shall not make yourselves abominable with any creeping thing, that ye should be defiled thereby, ye shall therefore sanctify yourselves, and ye shall be holy; for I am holy." If an individual observe the Lord's dietary law, they will be holy, like their God even Jesus. Those that observe this law, along with the other righteous rules of conduct put forth by the true and Living God, are truly sanctified, or set apart

If the beast is regarded as an abomination and is eaten it becomes sin. And what is sin? (Whosoever committeth sin transgresseth also the law: for sin is the transgression of the law (I John 3:4). And, when sin is finished it brings forth death. So, how can an individual pray over something that is unclean? They cannot. Why? (He that turneth away his ear from hearing the law, even his prayer shall be abomination. (Proverbs 28:9). A prayer of a sinner is an abomination to the Lord. Some might say, "come on, the Lord wouldn't put a person in the lake of fire for eating swine's flesh (pork). TAKE GOOD HEED TO THESE NEXT SET OF SCRIPTURES!

For, behold, the LORD will come with fire, and with his chariots like a whirlwind, to render his anger with fury, and his rebuke with flames of fire. For by fire and by his sword will the LORD plead with all flesh: and the slain of the LORD shall be many. They that sanctify themselves, and purify themselves in the gardens behind one tree in the midst, eating swine's flesh, and the abomination, and the mouse, shall be consumed together, saith the LORD. (Isaiah 66:15-17) The Lord says' by the mouth of Isaiah that those that eat swine's flesh (pork) shall be consumed.

Just in case we have forgotten who this Lord is, let us go to II Thessalonians chapter one, and start at the sixth verse and we will see that it is Jesus that Isaiah is referring to and not the Father.

Seeing it is a righteous thing with God to recompense tribulation to them that trouble you; And to you who are troubled rest with us, when the Lord Jesus shall be revealed from heaven with his mighty angels, In flaming fire taking vengeance on them that know not God, and that obey not the gospel of our Lord Jesus Christ: Who shall be punished with everlasting destruction from the presence of the Lord, and from the glory of his power; (II Thessalonians 1:6-9)
 
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Ye shall not make yourselves abominable with any creeping thing that creepeth, neither shall ye make yourselves unclean with them, that ye should be defiled thereby. For I am the LORD your God: ye shall therefore sanctify yourselves, and ye shall be holy; for I am holy: neither shall ye defile yourselves with any manner of creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth. For I am the LORD that bringeth you up out of the land of Egypt, to be your God: ye shall therefore be holy, for I am holy. (Leviticus 11:43-45)

Note what the Lord says, "Ye shall not make yourselves abominable with any creeping thing, that ye should be defiled thereby, ye shall therefore sanctify yourselves, and ye shall be holy; for I am holy." If an individual observe the Lord's dietary law, they will be holy, like their God even Jesus. Those that observe this law, along with the other righteous rules of conduct put forth by the true and Living God, are truly sanctified, or set apart

If the beast is regarded as an abomination and is eaten it becomes sin. And what is sin? (Whosoever committeth sin transgresseth also the law: for sin is the transgression of the law (I John 3:4). And, when sin is finished it brings forth death. So, how can an individual pray over something that is unclean? They cannot. Why? (He that turneth away his ear from hearing the law, even his prayer shall be abomination. (Proverbs 28:9). A prayer of a sinner is an abomination to the Lord. Some might say, "come on, the Lord wouldn't put a person in the lake of fire for eating swine's flesh (pork). TAKE GOOD HEED TO THESE NEXT SET OF SCRIPTURES!

For, behold, the LORD will come with fire, and with his chariots like a whirlwind, to render his anger with fury, and his rebuke with flames of fire. For by fire and by his sword will the LORD plead with all flesh: and the slain of the LORD shall be many. They that sanctify themselves, and purify themselves in the gardens behind one tree in the midst, eating swine's flesh, and the abomination, and the mouse, shall be consumed together, saith the LORD. (Isaiah 66:15-17) The Lord says' by the mouth of Isaiah that those that eat swine's flesh (pork) shall be consumed.

Just in case we have forgotten who this Lord is, let us go to II Thessalonians chapter one, and start at the sixth verse and we will see that it is Jesus that Isaiah is referring to and not the Father.

Seeing it is a righteous thing with God to recompense tribulation to them that trouble you; And to you who are troubled rest with us, when the Lord Jesus shall be revealed from heaven with his mighty angels, In flaming fire taking vengeance on them that know not God, and that obey not the gospel of our Lord Jesus Christ: Who shall be punished with everlasting destruction from the presence of the Lord, and from the glory of his power; (II Thessalonians 1:6-9)

I (and I'm sure many others reading this thread) are living under the New Covenant, so none of your post applies.
 
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At one time, humans are told not to eat animals. At a later time, they are told it's okay.

To me, that sounds like a change. Of course, another person may choose to use a different word, these things are subjective.

I don't think all of the levitical priestly duties were transferred to Jesus. For example, the levitical priest was summoned to inspect fungus in a house. I don't think Jesus does that.

At one time summon the priest, now, do not.

At one time, things coming into you from the outside could make you unclean. Now, nothing coming into you from the outside will make you unclean.

We can use whatever words we want to describe these situations. To me, the best word is change.
I also prefer the word change, as in, money changed hands, etc.

You fail to see what has happened in the new covenant: Christ is now in me, inspecting fungus, when I do, etc.

Never, could anything, entering a man make him unclean.

I cannot make you understand--but now, I assure you, that you are without excuse; for my explanations have been thorough, even when in summary.

Goodbye.
 
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I also prefer the word change, as in, money changed hands, etc.

You fail to see what has happened in the new covenant: Christ is now in me, inspecting fungus, when I do, etc.

Never, could anything, entering a man make him unclean.

I cannot make you understand--but now, I assure you, that you are without excuse; for my explanations have been thorough, even when in summary.

Goodbye.
Christ in you probably doesn't instruct you to burn down the house in which the fungus doesn't go away or returns. So, a change.

In your explanation of how the word "change" should be understood in the sense of "translate", did you intend that to apply to the instruction to eat plants which was later changed or translated into eat plants and animals?

If so, are you saying that the change or translation is related to Jesus becoming high priest many centuries later? Or do you believe Jesus became high priest much earlier?

But if you wish to say Goodbye, then I will say
Peace be with you!
 
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Christ in you probably doesn't instruct you to burn down the house in which the fungus doesn't go away or returns. So, a change.
1. Sarcasm, and that from ignorance.
In your explanation of how the word "change" should be understood in the sense of "translate", did you intend that to apply to the instruction to eat plants which was later changed or translated into eat plants and animals?
2. False comparison: he didn't change the instruction, but added to the existing instruction--a change of instruction would've required that plants be forbidden.
If so, are you saying that the change or translation is related to Jesus becoming high priest many centuries later? Or do you believe Jesus became high priest much earlier?
3. Christ is High Priest after an existing order, which order Christians now represent: God's priests have always maintained God's laws, no matter the era.
But if you wish to say Goodbye, then I will say
Peace be with you!

Above are the reasons why I wish to say goodbye, because our conversation has yet to be fruitful in anyway.

--Truly, I don't know why you invited me.

You have yet to understand anything I've said.

So why continue?
 
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1. Sarcasm, and that from ignorance.

2. False comparison: he didn't change the instruction, but added to the existing instruction--a change of instruction would've required that plants be forbidden.

3. Christ is High Priest after an existing order, which order Christians now represent: God's priests have always maintained God's laws, no matter the era.


Above are the reasons why I wish to say goodbye, because our conversation has yet to be fruitful in anyway.

--Truly, I don't know why you invited me.

You have yet to understand anything I've said.

So why continue?
I actually wasn't intending to be sarcastic. I'm sad that you took it that way.

Does Christ in you instruct you to take different actions than the law states?

Sure, we can talk about the idea of additions to the law. Does God make additions to the commandments that he gives?

Has God made additions to the commandments that he gave in the wilderness?

Has Christ always been high priest, or did he become high priest at some point?

I invited you because you are an interesting person. Conversations don't always bear fruit right away, I suggest we give it some time.

I invite you to explain your views in more detail.
 
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