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muichimotsu · Feb 19, 2021

Yeah; Trump is one of those few land owners who are among the richest, but compare him to those in the tech industry who often rent! You know; guys like Bezos, Gates, Zukerberg....

Did you just conveniently ignore my note that I can cite you a journalistic video where it points out Trump short changed so many people to get where he is in terms of "profit", he doesn't seem to care about being honest, he only cares about himself, he's the definition of narcissism.

No; equality rarely results in equal outcome. In the real world when 2 guys begin a race at the same start line, they rarely cross the finish line at the exact same time.

At the start line at the same time is not the same as at the same start line, because there are other factors that work into that metaphor used. You're confusing a treatment that is equal on the surface with something that equalizes by force, neither of which is the best solution to systemic issues that are not a matter of law, but more often than not social norms and ignorance of socioeconomic problems that persist because of generations of oppression of black people in particular (but non whites in general would also agree, like say Native Americans)

Didn't you just make the claim equality IS equal outcome? So you don't want (according to you) equality?

Quote me, because I'm pretty sure I said equity, equal opportunity, which is thoroughly distinct from equal outcome, which I agreed with my uber libertarian roommate in college was a problem of communism

gaara4158 · Feb 19, 2021

Ken-1122 said:
That’s the case with any type of equity. You don’t need land to have equity; your argument failed.

So because other forms of equity exist, owning land is not majorly profitable? Yeah, not how that works. I don’t know how you have the nerve to keep coming back after this one.

Ken-1122 said:
Your assumption that the cops wrong based on numbers is pure speculation. You have no way of justifying this claim.

It’s not an assumption. The cops are literally wrong when they think someone’s hiding something and then it turns out they’re not. That’s what wrong means. Incorrect. Kind of like everything you say.

Ken-1122 said:
By definition, if it favors the rich, it is an economic issue not a racial one.

Economic issues affecting one race more than others is by definition a racial issue.

Ken-1122 · Feb 19, 2021

muichimotsu said:
Did you just conveniently ignore my note that I can cite you a journalistic video where it points out Trump short changed so many people to get where he is in terms of "profit", he doesn't seem to care about being honest, he only cares about himself, he's the definition of narcissism.

I ignored it because it had nothing to do with the conversation.

muichimotsu said:
At the start line at the same time is not the same as at the same start line,

How are they different?

muichimotsu said:
because there are other factors that work into that metaphor used. You're confusing a treatment that is equal on the surface with something that equalizes by force, neither of which is the best solution to systemic issues that are not a matter of law, but more often than not social norms and ignorance of socioeconomic problems that persist because of generations of oppression of black people in particular (but non whites in general would also agree, like say Native Americans)

Just because my grandfather was oppressed by your grandfather does not mean I am at a disadvantage when compared to you. Like it or not, I am your equal

muichimotsu said:
Quote me, because I'm pretty sure I said equity, equal opportunity, which is thoroughly distinct from equal outcome, which I agreed with my uber libertarian roommate in college was a problem of communism

Go back read what you wrote on post #793

Ken-1122 · Feb 19, 2021

gaara4158 said:
So because other forms of equity exist, owning land is not majorly profitable?

No; owning land is nothing special, it’s treated like the countless other forms of equity.

gaara4158 said:
It’s not an assumption. The cops are literally wrong when they think someone’s hiding something and then it turns out they’re not.

Like I said before, you’re just going by the numbers and you don’t know how those numbers are obtained. Perhaps when someone is arrested, they are checked for illegal weapons and drugs regardless of whether they are suspected of having them. This will artificially add to the numbers making it seem like they are being harassed, when the cops are just employing security measures when arresting them for something else. You can’t just look at numbers and judge from that, you need to understand how those numbers are obtained.

gaara4158 said:
Economic issues affecting one race more than others is by definition a racial issue.

You keep saying “by definition” like it means something. Provide a definition that supports your claim.

gaara4158 · Feb 19, 2021

Ken-1122 said:
No; owning land is nothing special, it’s treated like the countless other forms of equity.

And? You claimed it wasn’t associated with wealth and famous billionaires didn’t own land. You were wrong. Just own up to it. Spare yourself some dignity.

Ken-1122 said:
Like I said before, you’re just going by the numbers and you don’t know how those numbers are obtained. Perhaps when someone is arrested, they are checked for illegal weapons and drugs regardless of whether they are suspected of having them. This will artificially add to the numbers making it seem like they are being harassed, when the cops are just employing security measures when arresting them for something else. You can’t just look at numbers and judge from that, you need to understand how those numbers are obtained.

I’m going by the data you brought up. You’re now speculating on how that data may be tainted because it doesn’t feed into your narrative. Occam’s razor, buddy.

Ken-1122 said:
You keep saying “by definition” like it means something. Provide a definition that supports your claim.

You seem to struggle with words. When I say “by definition” I’m not alluding to some unspoken definition of one of the terms we’re using. I’m telling you the definition of a term, right then and there. As in, issues that affect one race more than it does others is defined as a racial issue.

Ken-1122 · Feb 19, 2021

gaara4158 said:
And? You claimed it wasn’t associated with wealth

It’s not.

gaara4158 said:
and famous billionaires didn’t own land.

I never said that. Go back and read what I actually said.

gaara4158 said:
You were wrong. Just own up to it. Spare yourself some dignity.

Spare yourself some dignity and refute my actual words instead of making stuff up about me.

gaara4158 said:
I’m going by the data you brought up. You’re now speculating on how that data may be tainted because it doesn’t feed into your narrative. Occam’s razor, buddy.

I never brought up any data, I presented a scenario that could justify the discrepancy you see as racism.

gaara4158 said:
You seem to struggle with words. When I say “by definition” I’m not alluding to some unspoken definition of one of the terms we’re using. I’m telling you the definition of a term, right then and there. As in, issues that affect one race more than it does others is defined as a racial issue.

Ahh so according to you, heart disease is racist? What about diabetes? Is Covid-19 racist as well? Because on average, Blacks are affected by these diseases at a disproportionate rate. So we have racist diseases now? C'mon! Is this the method to your madness?

muichimotsu · Feb 19, 2021

I ignored it because it had nothing to do with the conversation.

No, you didn't want to confront that the rich are disproportionately white, because then you'd have to consider that the establishment of generational wealth is something white families never had to struggle with as black families did. The amount of willful ignorance is astounding

How are they different?

Do you...just not understand the metaphor at all? It's fairly simple: white people are given a headstart in that they are viewed as the norm by American society, while black people are eventually allowed, but they are figuratively hamstrung in a way you don't want to acknowledge because then you can't just victim blame black people and claim they're the source of their own problems. That's easier than, I don't know, considering that this isn't a reductionist purely-agent based problem, it's a systemic one, which doesn't follow to the strawman you bring up that it must be some law or regulation, when that's not how it remotely works as per the definition from any scholar worth their salt on the subject

Just because my grandfather was oppressed by your grandfather does not mean I am at a disadvantage when compared to you. Like it or not, I am your equal
Go back read what you wrote on post #793

Our grandfathers don't have to have met for there to be inequality that passed down generationally and is not going to just make you be treated exactly like me, since you're in denial about a basic concept like race, pretending like it isn't relevant to "solve" the issue of racism

Your disadvantage is not going to be univocal and applicable in all situations, I never said anything like that, you're being so dishonest, it's palpable.

I never suggested you weren't my equal if we're talking the ideal situation, but that doesn't mean society works in the idyllic way you're convinced it does and that racism is somehow isolated when you gut the definition of any nuance

Ken-1122 · Feb 20, 2021

muichimotsu said:
No, you didn't want to confront that the rich are disproportionately white, because then you'd have to consider that the establishment of generational wealth is something white families never had to struggle with as black families did. The amount of willful ignorance is astounding

You are all over the place! I respond that land owners aren’t given special privileges over non land owners, and you attempt to refute my argument by claiming Donald Trump ripped off contractors and is a horrible person. I ignore it because it has nothing to do with my claim, and you say I ignore because I don’t want to admit the super rich in this country are mostly white! Try sticking to one subject at a time; you’re all over the place.

muichimotsu said:
white people are given a headstart in that they are viewed as the norm by American society, while black people are eventually allowed, but they are figuratively hamstrung in a way you don't want to acknowledge

In today’s society, rich people are given a head start regardless of race. Most of the wealth in today’s economy is in the hands of white people, so of course they have the advantage; but it’s due to their wealth not their race.

muichimotsu said:
Our grandfathers don't have to have met for there to be inequality that passed down generationally and is not going to just make you be treated exactly like me,

My treatment is not the exact same as yours, but my treatment is equal to yours.

gaara4158 · Feb 20, 2021

Ken-1122 said:
It’s not.

This is the most plainly and factually incorrect thing you’ve said. If you continue to deny reality I will take it as a sign you are no longer interested in a good faith discussion.

Ken-1122 said:
I never said that. Go back and read what I actually said.

You contrasted Trump, whom you said was a rare example of someone who’s both among the richest and a landowner, with Bezos, Gates, and Zuck, whom you claimed often rented. Both of these points were false.

Ken-1122 said:
Spare yourself some dignity and refute my actual words instead of making stuff up about me.

Go back and read your own words. Everything you say is made-up. I cannot stress how disappointing this is.

Ken-1122 said:
I never brought up any data, I presented a scenario that could justify the discrepancy you see as racism.

You brought up the discrepancy in DC. You then tried — and failed — to justify it first by blaming the innocent black people for not looking innocent enough, then by speculating on how the data collected might have created a false discrepancy, neither of which you had any evidence was the case. You are bending over backwards not to see the systemic racism here.

Ken-1122 said:
Ahh so according to you, heart disease is racist? What about diabetes? Is Covid-19 racist as well? Because on average, Blacks are affected by these diseases at a disproportionate rate. So we have racist diseases now? C'mon! Is this the method to your madness?

Racial issues, yes. Not every racial issue is caused by racial animus. I suspect you don’t recognize the difference, though.

Ken-1122 · Feb 20, 2021

gaara4158 said:
This is the most plainly and factually incorrect thing you’ve said. If you continue to deny reality I will take it as a sign you are no longer interested in a good faith discussion.

Wow! First you make the ridicules claim that owning land is associated with wealth, you make this empty claim without using any outside source to back it up, you just spit it out expecting me to take your word for it. Let’s ignore the fact that the majority of americans who own land are not wealthy, I’m supposed to believe that because you say it, therefore it must be true.
If you are going to insist I believe every empty claim you make simply because you call it factual and reality, I will take it as a sign you are no longer interested in a good faith discussion

gaara4158 said:
You contrasted Trump, whom you said was a rare example of someone who’s both among the richest and a landowner, with Bezos, Gates, and Zuck, whom you claimed often rented. Both of these points were false.

First of all I said those involved in the tech industry often rent, and listed people like Bezos, Gates, and Zuk as people involved in the tech industry.
How do you know Bezos, Gates, and Zuk don’t also rent? Of all the business venture they are involved in, how do you know none of them are done on property that are leased? Just because they may own land doesn’t mean everything they are involved in is done on land they own.

gaara4158 said:
You brought up the discrepancy in DC. You then tried — and failed — to justify it first by blaming the innocent black people for not looking innocent enough, then by speculating on how the data collected might have created a false discrepancy, neither of which you had any evidence was the case. You are bending over backwards not to see the systemic racism here.

Again; I never brought any data, I presented a scenario of why black cops arrest black people more than white people could be because of something else, other than your explanation that black officers become white supremacist when they join the police force.

gaara4158 said:
Racial issues, yes. Not every racial issue is caused by racial animus. I suspect you don’t recognize the difference, though.

So explain to me how black people who on average live in closer quarters than white people results in them more likely to get covid, is a race issue.

gaara4158 · Feb 20, 2021

Ken-1122 said:
Wow! First you make the ridicules claim that owning land is associated with wealth, you make this empty claim without using any outside source to back it up, you just spit it out expecting me to take your word for it. Let’s ignore the fact that the majority of americans who own land are not wealthy, I’m supposed to believe that because you say it, therefore it must be true.
If you are going to insist I believe every empty claim you make simply because you call it factual and reality, I will take it as a sign you are no longer interested in a good faith discussion

Alright, you’re done. WHY ARE HOMEOWNERS RICHER THAN RENTERS? - Spectra Mortgage

Homeowners worth $197,349 more than renters, census study shows – Orange County Register

Owning your home doesn't make you rich. Owning somebody else's does
Owning land is associated with wealth. This is a statistical fact. You’re wrong, and even worse you’re calling me the liar here. You have nothing of value to add to this conversation.

Ken-1122 said:
First of all I said those involved in the tech industry often rent, and listed people like Bezos, Gates, and Zuk as people involved in the tech industry.
How do you know Bezos, Gates, and Zuk don’t also rent? Of all the business venture they are involved in, how do you know none of them are done on property that are leased? Just because they may own land doesn’t mean everything they are involved in is done on land they own.

You made the claim, and your evidence is “how do you know it’s not true?” Your arguments get more and more puerile with each reply. It’s too late to quit while you’re ahead, but it’s never too late to quit.

Ken-1122 said:
Again; I never brought any data, I presented a scenario of why black cops arrest black people more than white people could be because of something else, other than your explanation that black officers become white supremacist when they join the police force.

You were responding to data from the Wikipedia article I presented (which you claimed didn’t exist until I held your hand through the reading process) which included the DC Police example. You then speculated — with no evidence to support your hypothesis — that there must be something wrong with the way searches and hits are counted between black and white subjects, and that would explain the discrepancy. If we’re going to grant your wild imagination the same weight as hard statistical data, we can throw in some magic mushrooms and just talk about aliens. It’d be just as valid and much more enlightening. But if we’re still going to maintain the pretense that you care about the truth, you’re going to have to do more than construct an imaginary scenario by which statistics can be safely dismissed.

Ken-1122 said:
So explain to me how black people who on average live in closer quarters than white people results in them more likely to get covid, is a race issue.

It’s an issue faced more by one race than others. Therefore, it’s a race issue. Further, it’s a systemic issue, because the forces that act within our economic and social systems result in black families and communities living in closer quarters than others. Therefore, it’s an example of systemic racism.

muichimotsu · Feb 20, 2021

You are all over the place! I respond that land owners aren’t given special privileges over non land owners, and you attempt to refute my argument by claiming Donald Trump ripped off contractors and is a horrible person. I ignore it because it has nothing to do with my claim, and you say I ignore because I don’t want to admit the super rich in this country are mostly white! Try sticking to one subject at a time; you’re all over the place.

Never said they were given special privileges, you're making up an argument I didn't state at all

When you can't even keep your own argument straight, you don't have a leg to stand on by deflecting back onto me, because, again, I didn't say that, you're manufacturing a bad argument to counter, which is dishonest.

Socioeconomic issues and racial issues are not mutually exclusive from each other, to suggest otherwise is willfully ignorant of the cultural elements that can factor into socioeconomic benefits that white people tend to have moreso than black people, something you want to act like it's irrelevant because that'd mean you'd have to acknowledge there is inequity in regards to white people having societal privileges non white people don't

In today’s society, rich people are given a head start regardless of race. Most of the wealth in today’s economy is in the hands of white people, so of course they have the advantage; but it’s due to their wealth not their race.

More dishonest deflection: the fact that white people will probably never not control most of the wealth suggests that their race is a factor in that, even if it isn't something done intentionally. It's as if you want to just ignore that white people had the economic power at the country's founding and consistently resisted attempts to expand that power beyond landowning white men.

Suggesting things are somehow better now and thus that the problem alleged is not important is an outright fallacy of relative privation, which you don't appear to recognize or care about if you do. Which isn't shocking if you want to dismiss scholarship on race issues because it undermines your deeply held belief that hard work wins out (when it's hardly the sole factor for success in a society still refusing to change underlying issues in an equitable fashion)

My treatment is not the exact same as yours, but my treatment is equal to yours.

No one is saying it is equal necessarily, you're still trying to just deny reality that would contradict your perspective because otherwise that'd mean acknowledging cognitive dissonance or contradictions in your worldview.

The idea that you and I will be treated the same in all circumstances by all people is hopelessly deluded and anecdotal if you're just saying, "Well, I've never experienced racism, thus it isn't such a big deal," while constantly missing the point that racism isn't just an individual issue, the systemic aspect not merely your strawman of laws, which isn't what the definition is remotely

Ken-1122 · Feb 20, 2021

gaara4158 said:
Alright, you’re done. WHY ARE HOMEOWNERS RICHER THAN RENTERS? - Spectra Mortgage

Homeowners worth $197,349 more than renters, census study shows – Orange County Register

Owning your home doesn't make you rich. Owning somebody else's does
Owning land is associated with wealth. This is a statistical fact. You’re wrong, and even worse you’re calling me the liar here. You have nothing of value to add to this conversation.

We’re not talking about homeowners, I was refuting the claim that land owners have more rights in today's economy than non land owners. I was pointing out things have changed since the days when this was practice.

gaara4158 said:
You made the claim, and your evidence is “how do you know it’s not true?” Your arguments get more and more puerile with each reply. It’s too late to quit while you’re ahead, but it’s never too late to quit.

You are the one who made the claim that those people do not rent. It is up to you to support that claim. Just because they own land, doesn't mean they don't also rent.

gaara4158 said:
You were responding to data from the Wikipedia article I presented (which you claimed didn’t exist until I held your hand through the reading process) which included the DC Police example. You then speculated — with no evidence to support your hypothesis — that there must be something wrong with the way searches and hits are counted between black and white subjects, and that would explain the discrepancy. If we’re going to grant your wild imagination the same weight as hard statistical data, we can throw in some magic mushrooms and just talk about aliens. It’d be just as valid and much more enlightening. But if we’re still going to maintain the pretense that you care about the truth, you’re going to have to do more than construct an imaginary scenario by which statistics can be safely dismissed.

I only pointed out you can’t look at the numbers and draw conclusions of racism without looking at how those numbers were arrived at.

gaara4158 said:
It’s an issue faced more by one race than others. Therefore, it’s a race issue. Further, it’s a systemic issue, because the forces that act within our economic and social systems result in black families and communities living in closer quarters than others. Therefore, it’s an example of systemic racism.

There is nothing preventing poor blacks from living in trailer parks like poor whites. This is not a forced race issue.

Ken-1122 · Feb 20, 2021

muichimotsu said:
Never said they were given special privileges, you're making up an argument I didn't state at all

Actually not special privileges, I was refuting the claim that land owners have more rights than non land owners in today's economy. That things have changed since this was the case.

muichimotsu said:
More dishonest deflection: the fact that white people will probably never not control most of the wealth suggests that their race is a factor in that, even if it isn't something done intentionally.

If there were 10 times more Asians in this country than whites, instead of visa versa as now, Asians would control most wealth in this Country. It’s not about race.

muichimotsu said:
The idea that you and I will be treated the same in all circumstances by all people is hopelessly deluded

I never said that. Again; my treatment may not be the exact same as yours, but my treatment is equal to yours.

muichimotsu · Feb 21, 2021

Ken-1122 said:
Actually not special privileges, I was refuting the claim that land owners have more rights than non land owners in today's economy. That things have changed since this was the case.

If there were 10 times more Asians in this country than whites, instead of visa versa as now, Asians would control most wealth in this Country. It’s not about race.

I never said that. Again; my treatment may not be the exact same as yours, but my treatment is equal to yours.

1) Did I say that they have more rights than non landowners? Pretty sure that's a no, I said they have more power, which is distinct from a right protected under law, power just being clout and privilege that can be utilized to marginalize others

2)Except it is when we're talking about a country founded and dominated by white people over its history, that's basic facts that you cannot remotely deny without acting like blacks weren't mocked for centuries as lesser, as clowns, as anything that was non white and worthy of being demeaned and treated like garbage. Things are better now, that doesn't mean we should just conclude it is complete or perfect or even ideal, that's laziness and pride rooted in this fallacy that there are "bigger" problems, as if the problems can't have any relation at all, because that'd be too "complex"

3) Get the feeling you're not remotely using equal in a consistent fashion, because it isn't equal by necessity, it's only equal in the idealized imaginary world where you think no one is going to prejudge you in contrast to me because I'm white and you're black, especially in America.

gaara4158 · Feb 21, 2021

Ken-1122 said:
We’re not talking about homeowners, I was refuting the claim that land owners have more rights in today's economy than non land owners. I was pointing out things have changed since the days when this was practice.

If that’s your point, great, but you articulated it by saying outright falsehoods insisting they were true after you were corrected multiple times. Landowners may not have more rights per se, but they absolutely have an economic advantage over renters.

Ken-1122 said:
You are the one who made the claim that those people do not rent. It is up to you to support that claim. Just because they own land, doesn't mean they don't also rent.

I found no evidence to support your claim that they rent, but plenty of documentation that they own. This is what I base my conclusion that they don’t rent on. They might rent temporary spaces here and there, but people of their means have no need to rent properties that appreciate in value when they can buy. It’s the money-smart move.

Ken-1122 said:
I only pointed out you can’t look at the numbers and draw conclusions of racism without looking at how those numbers were arrived at.

But you didn’t look at the methodology. You made wild speculations about how the methodology could have thrown the numbers off and promptly dismissed the numbers.
Here, look through the data yourself. You can find discussion of the methodology in the cited sources.
https://www.acludc.org/sites/default/files/2020_06_15_aclu_stops_report_final.pdf

Ken-1122 said:
There is nothing preventing poor blacks from living in trailer parks like poor whites. This is not a forced race issue.

And many of them do. But most of them don’t, because they’re in the city, not rural areas, because that’s where the work is and that’s where their family and community’s roots lie. Staying in close quarters in the city or neighborhood is the path of least resistance for more black people than white people. Race issue. Systemic issue. Systemic racism.

Strathos · Feb 21, 2021

gaara4158 said:
But you didn’t look at the methodology. You made wild speculations about how the methodology could have thrown the numbers off and promptly dismissed the numbers.
Here, look through the data yourself. You can find discussion of the methodology in the cited sources.
https://www.acludc.org/sites/default/files/2020_06_15_aclu_stops_report_final.pdf

His position seems to be that unless you can read the minds of every police officer involved in every one of those stops, then even suggesting that racism played a part in any of it is out of the question.

gaara4158 · Feb 21, 2021

Strathos said:
His position seems to be that unless you can read the minds of every police officer involved in every one of those stops, then even suggesting that racism played a part in any of it is out of the question.

We can grant him all of that, and in the end the discrepancy is still an example of systemic racism, which does not require any individual actor to have racist motivations. He’s punching air.

Ken-1122 · Feb 21, 2021

muichimotsu said:
1) Did I say that they have more rights than non landowners? Pretty sure that's a no, I said they have more power, which is distinct from a right protected under law, power just being clout and privilege that can be utilized to marginalize others

I went back to see how all of this got started. Post #787 I asked “Do you really believe land owners have more rights than non land owners.” I asked this question because you mentioned how this country was founded on white land owners only being able to vote, and I wanted to point out how things have changed. We then continued to talk past each other, you referring to non land owners as those who can’t afford to buy, and me referring to non land owners as those who choose not to buy.

muichimotsu said:
2)Except it is when we're talking about a country founded and dominated by white people over its history, that's basic facts that you cannot remotely deny without acting like blacks weren't mocked for centuries as lesser, as clowns, as anything that was non white and worthy of being demeaned and treated like garbage. Things are better now, that doesn't mean we should just conclude it is complete or perfect or even ideal, that's laziness and pride rooted in this fallacy that there are "bigger" problems, as if the problems can't have any relation at all, because that'd be too "complex"

I’m not suggesting everything’s perfect, I was suggesting the reason whites have the majority of wealth in this country is probably because there are more them.

muichimotsu said:
3) Get the feeling you're not remotely using equal in a consistent fashion, because it isn't equal by necessity, it's only equal in the idealized imaginary world where you think no one is going to prejudge you in contrast to me because I'm white and you're black, especially in America.

I’m suggesting there are instances when racism works against me, and in your favor, and there are instances where it is visa versa. I haven’t done a cost-benefit analysis to see who is harmed more, but I assume it works out to be about even.

Ken-1122 · Feb 21, 2021

gaara4158 said:
If that’s your point, great, but you articulated it by saying outright falsehoods insisting they were true after you were corrected multiple times. Landowners may not have more rights per se, but they absolutely have an economic advantage over renters.

I was having this discussion with another person when you entered the conversation so perhaps you didn’t get the complete picture. I was making the point that land owners do not have any economic advantage over someone else who has just as much equity, collateral, etc. but who doesn’t own land. Actually when you consider how property taxes are often going up due to political pet projects, it might be a disadvantage to have too much of your wealth in land as opposed to other venues.

gaara4158 said:
But you didn’t look at the methodology. You made wild speculations about how the methodology could have thrown the numbers off and promptly dismissed the numbers.
Here, look through the data yourself. You can find discussion of the methodology in the cited sources.
https://www.acludc.org/sites/default/files/2020_06_15_aclu_stops_report_final.pdf

This does appear to be a legitimate source. Perhaps there is something going on in DC that needs to change. When you consider the city has a black mayor, black police chief, and majority black police force, you would think this would be the one city where blacks are treated fairly. I doubt all of these black folks who are running and controlling the city are all white supremacists, but judging from the article, something seems to be going wrong and needs to change.

gaara4158 said:
And many of them do. But most of them don’t, because they’re in the city, not rural areas, because that’s where the work is and that’s where their family and community’s roots lie. Staying in close quarters in the city or neighborhood is the path of least resistance for more black people than white people. Race issue. Systemic issue. Systemic racism.

But the point is, they choose to live there; the government is forcing them to.

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