Do People Believe Homosexuality Still Abomination To God?

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Do you believe in executing the death penalty for all homosexuals according to Sharia law?

"believe in"??

In the Bible that was a death sentence - under OT theocracy.. but mankind is no longer under a theocracy with God as its civil ruler, King. This is the age of the "persecuted church" not the age of the church killing people if they don't line up with its doctrines.
 
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OT Law included things like --

"Do not take God's name in vain" Ex 20:7
"Honor your father and Mother" Ex 20:12, Eph 6:1-2
"Love God with all your heart" Deut 6:5, Matt 22
"do not covet" Ex 20, Romans 7
"Love your neighbor as yourself" Lev 19:18, Rom 13, Matt 19,

Rom 3:19-20 says this is what condemns all the lost, and Rom 3:31 says this is also the law that is "established" in the case of those who are born-again saints, written on the heart as Jeremiah says - under the NEW Covenant Jer 31:31-34

Paul says "what matters is KEEPING the Commandments of God" 1 Cor 7:19

But there is nothing in the Ten Commandments about homosexuality, the subject of this thread. So your post, while interesting, is off-topic.
 
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But there is nothing in the Ten Commandments about homosexuality, the subject of this thread. So your post, while interesting, is off-topic.

There is nothing in the title of this thread about the Ten Commandments.

And the OP also does not mention the Ten.

Did you think you were on a different thread?

Your own post that I responded to was about "OT LAW" so then I brought in a few examples - which you seem to not want to discuss.
 
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Matt 15 and Mark 7:6-13 are not about eating rats or cats or lobsters etc.. It is about eating wheat, bread (not even animal at all) - the issue was getting bread from the market place where there was a tradition among Jewish leaders of baptizing the cups, pots and fingers to remove any "sin" that might be one them. Because in theory if you eat food that has "sin ON it" then that sin would get inside you.

In Mark 7:6-13 and in Matt 15 Jesus said that this is not how a person becomes defiled with sin - he was not arguing for rat-sandwiches or any other such thing.


Are you suggesting that Jesus really meant to say that eating bread was okay even if someone had touched it with sin but said something different altogether because perhaps he just wasn't all that good a at being specific or wasn't very good at expressing himself or maybe did not figure anyone was paying attention anyway? Seems to me that if Jesus tells someone that what goes into their mouth doesn't defile them that Jesus actually means that what goes into their mouth is not what defiles them . I somehow find it hard to consider that Jesus was that awkward at expressing himself so that when he said one thing he actually meant something else entirely. Something like "in this particular circumstance, this particular thing will not defile you if it goes into your mouth but some other really yucky thing will. Even though I made a categorical statement that could not help but be seen as meaning that it is not the thing that goes into one's mouth that is causing the defiling."
 
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The book of Romans speaks harshly against the sin of homosexuality.

And many other sins. But those are rarely discussed because..? Why are people so obsessed with one sin while neglecting the others? The root cause of the sins mentioned in the beginning of Romans is idolatry. Romans 1:21-25, "For although they knew God, they did not glorify him as God or give him thanks, but they became futile in their thoughts and their senseless hearts were darkened. Although they claimed to be wise, they became fools and exchanged the glory of the immortal God for an image resembling mortal human beings or birds or four-footed animals or reptiles. Therefore God gave them over in the desires of their hearts to impurity, to dishonor their bodies among themselves. They exchanged the truth of God for a lie and worshiped and served the creation rather than the Creator, who is blessed forever! Amen."

Aside from the brief section about homosexuality, it continues, "And just as they did not see fit to acknowledge God, God gave them over to a depraved mind, to do what should not be done. They are filled with every kind of unrighteousness, wickedness, covetousness, malice. They are rife with envy, murder, strife, deceit, hostility. They are gossips, slanderers, haters of God, insolent, arrogant, boastful, contrivers of all sorts of evil, disobedient to parents, senseless, covenant-breakers, heartless, ruthless. Although they fully know God’s righteous decree that those who practice such things deserve to die, they not only do them but also approve of those who practice them." So, in addition to homosexuality, there are twenty-one other sinful practices, including murder.

What is this obsession with the one sin of homosexuality?
 
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Are you suggesting that Jesus really meant to say that eating bread was okay even if someone had touched it with sin but said something different altogether because perhaps he just wasn't all that good a at being specific

What in the world??

Let's just "look" at what it says.

Mark 7
hen the Pharisees and some of the scribes came together to Him, having come from Jerusalem. 2 Now when they saw some of His disciples eat bread with defiled, that is, with unwashed hands, they found fault. 3 For the Pharisees and all the Jews do not eat unless they wash their hands in a special way, holding the tradition of the elders. 4 When they come from the marketplace, they do not eat unless they wash. And there are many other things which they have received and hold, like the washing of cups, pitchers, copper vessels, and couches.

5 Then the Pharisees and scribes asked Him, “Why do Your disciples not walk according to the tradition of the elders, but eat bread with unwashed hands?”

1. The first thing we see is that they are not debating the idea of eating rats. They are talking about eating bread from the market place.
2. They are not debating scripture - but rather "a tradition of the elders"
3. That tradition had to do with baptized the sin off of hands, cups, pots etc and the idea that "sin comes from the marketplace" - it gets on things.
4. Conclusion - they were avoiding the sin problem getting inside them - by first baptizing their hands after coming from the marketplace.

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Mark 7
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14 When He had called all the multitude to Himself, He said to them, “Hear Me, everyone, and understand: 15 There is nothing that enters a man from outside which can defile him; but the things which come out of him, those are the things that defile a man. 16 If anyone has ears to hear, let him hear!”

Jesus said that you don't become a sinner because something from the marketplace with sin on it - is eaten without first "baptizing it".

Notice this is NOT an argument that you can eat rats from the marketplace if you first baptize your fingers - it has nothing at all to do with eating rats.


20 And He said, “What comes out of a man, that defiles a man. 21 For from within, out of the heart of men, proceed evil thoughts, adulteries, fornications, murders, 22 thefts, covetousness, wickedness, deceit, lewdness, an evil eye, blasphemy, pride, foolishness.

A list of sins.

The argument is not that eating rats will make someone murder or become a thief - neither the Jews nor Chris were arguing such a thing.
 
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Gifts From Above said:
The book of Romans speaks harshly against the sin of homosexuality.

And many other sins. But those are rarely discussed because..?

Take every sin listed in the book of Romans where some group circles the wagons around it and defends that sin like it is the greatest gift - and you will find "discussion about it" -- every time.
 
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And many other sins. But those are rarely discussed because..? Why are people so obsessed with one sin while neglecting the others? The root cause of the sins mentioned in the beginning of Romans is idolatry. Romans 1:21-25, "For although they knew God, they did not glorify him as God or give him thanks, but they became futile in their thoughts and their senseless hearts were darkened. Although they claimed to be wise, they became fools and exchanged the glory of the immortal God for an image resembling mortal human beings or birds or four-footed animals or reptiles. Therefore God gave them over in the desires of their hearts to impurity, to dishonor their bodies among themselves. They exchanged the truth of God for a lie and worshiped and served the creation rather than the Creator, who is blessed forever! Amen."

Aside from the brief section about homosexuality, it continues, "And just as they did not see fit to acknowledge God, God gave them over to a depraved mind, to do what should not be done. They are filled with every kind of unrighteousness, wickedness, covetousness, malice. They are rife with envy, murder, strife, deceit, hostility. They are gossips, slanderers, haters of God, insolent, arrogant, boastful, contrivers of all sorts of evil, disobedient to parents, senseless, covenant-breakers, heartless, ruthless. Although they fully know God’s righteous decree that those who practice such things deserve to die, they not only do them but also approve of those who practice them." So, in addition to homosexuality, there are twenty-one other sinful practices, including murder.

What is this obsession with the one sin of homosexuality?
 
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The title does not say "should you be mean to someone who is LGBTQ.." - it is asking about the Bible and what it says is or is not considered "abomination", and whether we should agree or differ with the Bible on that point.
 
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Because I replied to the question if people believe that homosexuality is an abominable sin,

AND

because the community of persistent committers of that sin are so uniquely eager in being proud of it and in muzzling anyone who utters his opinion against it. There is no such community of committers of other sins.

AND

as I said, it has lead to the destruction of two cities by God, spite the fact that all other inhabitants of the earth had also sinned.
 
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Because I replied to the question if people believe that homosexuality is an abominable sin,

AND

because the community of persistent committers of that sin are so uniquely eager in being proud of it and in muzzling anyone who utters his opinion against it. There is no such community of committers of other sins.

AND

as I said, it has lead to the destruction of two cities by God, spite the fact that all other inhabitants of the earth had also sinned.

Lev 18 has another "and".

Then the Lord spoke to Moses, saying, 2 “Speak to the children of Israel, and say to them: ‘I am the Lord your God. 3 According to the doings of the land of Egypt, where you dwelt, you shall not do; and according to the doings of the land of Canaan, where I am bringing you, you shall not do; nor shall you walk in their ordinances. 4 You shall observe My judgments and keep My ordinances, to walk in them: I am the Lord your God. 5 You shall therefore keep My statutes and My judgments, which if a man does, he shall live by them: I am the Lord.
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24 ‘Do not defile yourselves with any of these things; for by all these the nations are defiled, which I am casting out before you. 25 For the land is defiled; therefore I visit the punishment of its iniquity upon it, and the land vomits out its inhabitants. 26 You shall therefore keep My statutes and My judgments, and shall not commit any of these abominations, either any of your own nation or any stranger who dwells among you 27 (for all these abominations the men of the land have done, who were before you, and thus the land is defiled), 28 lest the land vomit you out also when you defile it, as it vomited out the nations that were before you.

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God had a list of boundary-lines that He said even pagan nations would be held accountable to - though they had no Bible at all.
 
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Hi Bro, thanks for your reply; I love it, I enjoy it, may God bless you!
Because I replied to the question if people believe that homosexuality is an abominable sin,

AND

because the community of persistent committers of that sin are so uniquely eager in being proud of it and in muzzling anyone who utters his opinion against it. There is no such community of committers of other sins.

AND

as I said, it has lead to the destruction of two cities by God, spite the fact that all other inhabitants of the earth had also sinned.
Lev 18 has another "and".

Then the Lord spoke to Moses, saying, 2 “Speak to the children of Israel, and say to them: ‘I am the Lord your God. 3 According to the doings of the land of Egypt, where you dwelt, you shall not do; and according to the doings of the land of Canaan, where I am bringing you, you shall not do; nor shall you walk in their ordinances. 4 You shall observe My judgments and keep My ordinances, to walk in them: I am the Lord your God. 5 You shall therefore keep My statutes and My judgments, which if a man does, he shall live by them: I am the Lord.
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24 ‘Do not defile yourselves with any of these things; for by all these the nations are defiled, which I am casting out before you. 25 For the land is defiled; therefore I visit the punishment of its iniquity upon it, and the land vomits out its inhabitants. 26 You shall therefore keep My statutes and My judgments, and shall not commit any of these abominations, either any of your own nation or any stranger who dwells among you 27 (for all these abominations the men of the land have done, who were before you, and thus the land is defiled), 28 lest the land vomit you out also when you defile it, as it vomited out the nations that were before you.

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God had a list of boundary-lines that He said even pagan nations would be held accountable to - though they had no Bible at all.
 
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Because I replied to the question if people believe that homosexuality is an abominable sin,

AND

because the community of persistent committers of that sin are so uniquely eager in being proud of it and in muzzling anyone who utters his opinion against it. There is no such community of committers of other sins.

AND

as I said, it has lead to the destruction of two cities by God, spite the fact that all other inhabitants of the earth had also sinned.

So you haven't ever been to a bar or a fraternity house or a Super Bowl party or... where people celebrate drinking?

What about adultery and/or inappropriate content, where non-Biblical sex is extolled? (Remember, one of the Ten Commandments mentions adultery, whereas homosexuality is not mentioned)

Also, don't forget that God destroyed all life on Earth except for Noah and his family and the animals (including birds and reptiles). There were many heterosexuals that God destroyed along with the rest of sinful humanity.

Why are you and others so obsessed with one single sin that is not as important as many other sins such as idolatry (the first "do not..." sin), murder, theft, lying, and others? These are all mentioned in the Ten Commandments, whereas homosexuality is not.

Jesus never mentioned homosexuality, not even once!
 
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So you haven't ever been to a bar or a fraternity house or a Super Bowl party or... where people celebrate drinking?

Because... if you had then you must also support taking God's name in vain?

What is your point?
 
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Jesus never mentioned homosexuality, not even once!

Jesus never said "do not take God's name in vain.. not even once" - what is your point?

Paul never said "love God with all your heart, not even once" -- what is the point of this sort of thing?
 
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Because... if you had then you must also support taking God's name in vain?

What is your point?

My point is that some people go on and on and on and on about one single sin -- homosexuality -- while not discussing the other sins that are much more prominent in God's Word.

I do not support taking God's name in vain. Why do you even make such an off-the-wall accusation? Do you support taking God's name in vain?
 
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