20 major reasons to reject the Premillennial doctrine

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Who ever was Gog and Megog? The Bible seems to point to nameless rebels on the fringes of society who were hired by other nations as warriors. They may as well be representative of uncivilized outcast.

There have been billions throughout history. What is your point? Do you pick on the homeless because they cannot fit into society?

Why do you keep saying, "your supposed". Can you not read Revelation 20, or do others read it for you, so you do not have to claim it? God's Word is making the claim; you seem to exaggerate in some mocking way, is clearly there in black and white.

All humans born are freely allowed to rebel or change their minds. You claim you have changed your mind, why make a big deal about it? Should you have been forced to think the same way your whole life?

I am challenging your constant false portrayal of future sinless pristine millennial bliss after the second coming, when it is in fact saturated in the wicked and wickedness as the sand of the sea.
 
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All this I agree with. We WILL enter a new Covenant relationship with Jesus.
THEN: We will have His Laws written in our hearts, He will be our God and we will be his special people in the new nation of Beulah, we all will know the Lord is a very personal way and He will forgive our sins and remember them no more.

Plenty of other NT scriptures confirm we are under His grace for now.
We await the proper time for the New Covenant to be made.

Again, I agree with this. Just that it hasn't happened yet.

Why do people here ignore prophesies like Isaiah 33:24, Ezekiel 57:26, Jeremiah 32:37-40, + ? We know that the Lord's holy people are present in the holy Land when the leader of the One World Govt takes over Beulah for his 42 month time of world control. Daniel 7:25, Revelation 13:7

Hebrews 10:16-22: “This is the covenant that I will make with them after those days, saith the Lord, I will put my laws into their hearts, and in their minds will I write them; And their sins and iniquities will I remember no more. Now where remission of these is, there is no more offering for sin. Having therefore, brethren, boldness to enter into the holiest by the blood of Jesus, By a new and living way, which he hath consecrated for us, through the veil, that is to say, his flesh… Let us draw near with a true heart in full assurance of faith, having our hearts sprinkled from an evil conscience, and our bodies washed with pure water."

The new covenant has been instigated. God’s people have been released from the burden of sin. The full penalty for man’s guilt has been paid. We are now ransomed by the blood of Christ.

The good news is: we give Christ our sin and He immediately removes it on the grounds of His final atoning sacrifice for sin. Romans 5:10 confirms: “where sin abounded, grace did much more abound.”

Grace has a name. His name is Jesus.

Romans 5:19: For as by one man's disobedience many were made sinners, so by the obedience of one shall many be made righteous.”

If you study Romans you will see the comparison between Adam (our 1st parent) and Christ (our Savior).
  • Adam brought condemnation
  • Christ brought hope
  • Adam brought death
  • Christ brought life
  • Adam brought judgment
  • Christ brought deliverance
  • Adam’s blood made us sinners
  • Christ blood made us righteous
  • Adam brought bondage
  • Christ brought freedom
1 John 1:7: "the blood of Jesus Christ his Son cleanseth us from all sin."

Revelation 1:5 tells us that Christ washed us from our sins in his own blood.”

Hebrews 9:26: "put away sin by the sacrifice of himself."

Hebrews 8:12 also says about repentant sinners: their sins and iniquities will I remember no more.”

Not only does He forgive our sin but He forgets about it. That is amazing! Your sin is erased from His understanding.

Spurgeon said in a message The Friend of Sinners, "Where, then, are the debts? There are no debts now; there is not one in God's book against his chosen, for Jesus died. If Christ hath paid the debt, then there is no debt left; it is gone. I can rejoice in its discharge; I can mourn that ever I cast myself into such a position, but the debt itself is gone."

Romans 8:1-4 says, “There is therefore now no condemnation to them which are in Christ Jesus, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit. For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus hath made me free from the law of sin and death. For what the law could not do, in that it was weak through the flesh, God sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh, and for sin, condemned sin in the flesh: That the righteousness of the law might be fulfilled in us, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit."

It is incredible to know that we do not need to carry our guilt anymore. What is more, we do not need to pay the penalty for that awful sin. God has provided a substitute who personally, ably and satisfactorily took our sin upon Him so that we can be free. He took the punishment that we deserved and supernaturally overcame it through His vicarious death.

So many Christians don’t realize that Christ didn’t come to pay for some of our sin, but all of it. What is more, there is nothing more that can be added to the cross that can in any way remove one more sin. It is finished work! The new covenant wrought the victory!
 
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My given task is to is point out to whoever who will listen, what the Prophetic Word actually says.

“He who knows not,
and knows not that he knows not,
is a fool; shun him.

He who knows not,
and knows that he knows not,
is a student; Teach him.

He who knows,
and knows not that he knows,
is asleep; Wake him.

He who knows,
and knows that he knows,
is Wise; Follow him.”

I follow Jesus in #4
 
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“He who knows not,
and knows not that he knows not,
is a fool; shun him.

He who knows not,
and knows that he knows not,
is a student; Teach him.

He who knows,
and knows not that he knows,
is asleep; Wake him.

He who knows,
and knows that he knows,
is Wise; Follow him.”

I follow Jesus in #4

I've always enjoyed all of the wisdom compressed into those verses.
 
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Contrary to the silly parroting here, the making of a new Covenant between Jesus and His faithful people, will come after the next prophesied event:

Isaiah 61:1-2a The Spirit of the Lord is upon me, because the Lord has anointed me. He has sent me to announce good news to the humble, to bind up the broken hearted, to proclaim liberty to the captives and to proclaim a year of the Lords favor,

Isaiah 61:2b-3...and a Day of vengeance of our God, to comfort all who mourn, to give then garlands instead of ashes, oil of gladness, instead of mourners tears and a garment of splendor for the distressed. They will be called trees of righteousness, planted by the Lord for His adornment.

Isaiah 61:4-11 Buildings long in ruin and desolate will be restored and rebuilt. Foreigners will serve you, caring for your flocks and vines, but you will be called priests of the Lord and the wealth of the nations will be yours. Because My people have received insults and shame in double measure, they will receive in their own Land, wealth in double measure.

For I, the Lord love justice and hate injustice, I shall give My people a sure reward and make an everlasting Covenant with them. Their posterity will be renowned among the nations, they will be seen as a people blessed by the Lord.

Let us rejoice in the Lord with all our hearts. From Him has come victory and deliverance. His people, robed in beauty are like a garden full of flowers. The Lord will make His victory and renown known to the nations. Reference: REB, NIV, KJV. Some verses abridged.

Isaiah 61:1-2a, was quoted by Jesus at the commencement of His ministry;.... a year of the Lord’s favor’. He stopped in mid sentence and then said: Today, in your hearing, this prophecy has come true.

Therefore, the rest of this chapter is unfulfilled prophecy. So, we look for the sequence of events to unfold as written, commencing with:

a Day of vengeance of our God’ - The next prophesied event. Not the Return of Jesus in His glory, but His punishment to the nations, triggered by an attack on Israel. This is prophesied and described comprehensively throughout the Bible as a terrible disaster by fire, that will affect the whole world. Isaiah 63:1-6, Revelation 6:12-17

comfort all who mourn’ - All who love the Lord and follow in His Laws, those who mourn His death on the cross. Zechariah 12:9-10

trees of righteousness, planted in their own Land’ - His people: all faithful Christians, Jews and Gentiles are gathered and settled in His holy Land, into all of that area promised to the Patriarchs, to their descendants by faith, Galatians 3:26-29, in the new country of Beulah. Isaiah 62:1-5, Ezekiel 20:34-36, Isaiah 26:15

buildings rebuilt and the land restored’ - After the devastation caused by the Lord's Day of fiery wrath; a CME sunstrike, The Lord will regenerate the Land, Ezekiel 36:8 but buildings must be rebuilt, including the new Temple. Isaiah 65:21, Zechariah 6:15

foreigners will serve you’ - Isaiah 60:10...foreigners will rebuild your walls...

wealth of the nations will be yours’ - Zechariah 14:14 The same as what happened at the first Exodus. Exodus 11:2

‘make a Covenant with them’ - Jeremiah 31:33, Ezekiel 34:25, Isaiah 54:10, Hebrews 8:10-12

‘from Him has come victory and deliverance’ - Psalms 91:14-16, Psalms 44:4-7

‘known to the nations’ - Ezekiel 39:21, Isaiah 40:5
 
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Just following the most excellent advice from the mouth of Jesus Himself as well the great advice of Mark, Luke, Peter and John --- and am especially watching out for those false prophets who are on these forums!

Mat 7:15 ~ "Beware of false prophets, who come to you in sheep's clothing but inwardly are ravenous wolves.

Mat 24:11 ~ And many false prophets will arise and lead many astray.

Mat 24:24 ~ For false Christs and false prophets will arise and show great signs and wonders, so as to lead astray, if possible, even the elect.

Mar 13:22 ~ False Christs and false prophets will arise and show signs and wonders, to lead astray, if possible, the elect.

Luk 6:26 ~ "Woe to you, when all men speak well of you, for so their fathers did to the false prophets.

2Pe 2:1 ~ But false prophets also arose among the people, just as there will be false teachers among you, who will secretly bring in destructive heresies, even denying the Master who bought them, bringing upon themselves swift destruction.​

1 Jo 4:1 ~ Beloved, do not believe every spirit, but test the spirits to see whether they are of God; for many false prophets have gone out into the world.​
 
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Yes, the old Covenant expired when Jesus died.
But as He was dead for 3 days, it was impossible for Him to make the new Covenant then and it awaits the time when His faithful followers are gathered into the holy Land:
Isaiah 59:20-21 The Lord will come as a Redeemer to Zion and to those descended from Jacob who repent of their rebellion. This is the Covenant I will make with them: My Spirit will abide with them thru all the following generations.

Jeremiah 32:37-40 I shall gather My people from all the lands where they now live......I will make an everlasting Covenant with them, it will be a joy for Me to do them good.

Ezekiel 37:26 [After the Spiritual regeneration and the rejoining of the tribes] I shall make an everlasting Covenant with them, for their peace and prosperity and their numbers will greatly increase. I will put My Sanctuary in their midst, where it will remain for all time.

THESE prophesies prove the New Covenant is not yet.
Your quotes in #2483, are to do with our salvation, NOT the NC.
The New Covenant is all about salvation! How can you not see that? It was established long ago by the blood of Christ.

Luke 22:20 In the same way, after the supper he took the cup, saying, “This cup is the new covenant in my blood, which is poured out for you.

Matthew 26:27 Then he took a cup, and when he had given thanks, he gave it to them, saying, “Drink from it, all of you. 28 This is my blood of the covenant, which is poured out for many for the forgiveness of sins.

Jesus shed His blood of the new covenant for our sins. That is the means by which we are saved and have our sins forgiven. For you to not understand that shows a complete lack of discernment on your part regarding this topic. It's as simple as that. Those OT prophecies you quoted are all about the new covenant that Christ established with His blood. It couldn't be more clear. it's written about in detail in the book of Hebrews and, amazingly, you still don't get it.
 
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But Satan is NOT imprisoned now. He will be when Jesus Returns.
You had said "The Gog/ Magog attack will happen before Jesus Returns.". In that case you must agree with Amils that the following happens before He returns:

Rev 20:7 When the thousand years are over, Satan will be released from his prison 8 and will go out to deceive the nations in the four corners of the earth—Gog and Magog—and to gather them for battle. In number they are like the sand on the seashore.

And that the following happens on the day He returns:

Rev 20:9 They marched across the breadth of the earth and surrounded the camp of God’s people, the city he loves. But fire came down from heaven and devoured them.

Fire coming down from heaven on His enemies when He returns? Let's see, is that taught anywhere else in scripture? Well, yes it is.

2 Thess 1:7 And to you who are troubled rest with us, when the Lord Jesus shall be revealed from heaven with his mighty angels, 8 In flaming fire taking vengeance on them that know not God, and that obey not the gospel of our Lord Jesus Christ:

2 Peter 3:10 But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up. 11 Seeing then that all these things shall be dissolved, what manner of persons ought ye to be in all holy conversation and godliness, 12 Looking for and hasting unto the coming of the day of God, wherein the heavens being on fire shall be dissolved, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat? 13 Nevertheless we, according to his promise, look for new heavens and a new earth, wherein dwelleth righteousness.
 
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But Gog and Magog come after the millennium not before.


But don't some of you teach and believe the exact opposite yourselves? Do not some of you believe Gog/Magog in Ezekiel 38-39 is all past history, and that it was fulfilled way before the time of the cross, the beginning of the millennium for Amils such as yourself? Yet, you argue that Gog/Magog is after the millennium, and because it is after the millennium, it therefore disproves Premil. IMO though, Amils, such as you, plus Premils, both have a problem with Gog/Magog. And here is one major reason why. Yet you act as if it is only a problem for Premils, and not for Amils as well.

Ezekiel 39:11 And it shall come to pass in that day, that I will give unto Gog a place there of graves in Israel, the valley of the passengers on the east of the sea: and it shall stop the noses of the passengers: and there shall they bury Gog and all his multitude: and they shall call it The valley of Hamongog.
12 And seven months shall the house of Israel be burying of them, that they may cleanse the land.


Verse 11 clearly has all of Gog and his multitude dead and buried at some point. Amils, such as you, then need to explain how Gog and his multitude rise from the dead after the millennium in order to fulfill Revelation 20:7-9. Premils also have to explain the same, the fact most Premils, thus not all Premils, typically have Ezekiel 39:11 parallelling Revelation 19 and the 2nd coming.

If Revelation 20:7-9 can still allegedly work for you, regardless that your interpretation of Ezekiel 38-39 has Gog and his multitude already dead and buried, why can't Revelation 20:7-9 also work with Premil?
 
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Just following the most excellent advice from the mouth of Jesus Himself as well the great advice of Mark, Luke, Peter and John --- and am especially watching out for those false prophets who are on these forums!
So who are those horrible 'false prophets'?
It can't be me, as I make no claim to be a prophet. What I do is post what the Bible prophets have said.

Making accusations and doing character assassination's is the classic option for those who can't refute a statement in the proper way; of proving them wrong with indisputable facts and Bible truths.

If what I have posted doesn't suit your beliefs, either prove it wrong or change your beliefs.
 
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The New Covenant is all about salvation! How can you not see that? It was established long ago by the blood of Christ.
Salvation is about Salvation. If we are born again in Jesus, by our faith and trust in Him and keep His Commandments; then we are saved.

The New Covenant will be a Covenant made between Jesus and His people, as a corporate body, as the Old Covenant was. Exodus 19:1-6
 
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Contrary to the silly parroting here, the making of a new Covenant between Jesus and His faithful people, will come after the next prophesied event:

Isaiah 61:1-2a The Spirit of the Lord is upon me, because the Lord has anointed me. He has sent me to announce good news to the humble, to bind up the broken hearted, to proclaim liberty to the captives and to proclaim a year of the Lords favor,

Isaiah 61:2b-3...and a Day of vengeance of our God, to comfort all who mourn, to give then garlands instead of ashes, oil of gladness, instead of mourners tears and a garment of splendor for the distressed. They will be called trees of righteousness, planted by the Lord for His adornment.

Isaiah 61:4-11 Buildings long in ruin and desolate will be restored and rebuilt. Foreigners will serve you, caring for your flocks and vines, but you will be called priests of the Lord and the wealth of the nations will be yours. Because My people have received insults and shame in double measure, they will receive in their own Land, wealth in double measure.

For I, the Lord love justice and hate injustice, I shall give My people a sure reward and make an everlasting Covenant with them. Their posterity will be renowned among the nations, they will be seen as a people blessed by the Lord.

Let us rejoice in the Lord with all our hearts. From Him has come victory and deliverance. His people, robed in beauty are like a garden full of flowers. The Lord will make His victory and renown known to the nations. Reference: REB, NIV, KJV. Some verses abridged.

Isaiah 61:1-2a, was quoted by Jesus at the commencement of His ministry;.... a year of the Lord’s favor’. He stopped in mid sentence and then said: Today, in your hearing, this prophecy has come true.

Therefore, the rest of this chapter is unfulfilled prophecy. So, we look for the sequence of events to unfold as written, commencing with:

a Day of vengeance of our God’ - The next prophesied event. Not the Return of Jesus in His glory, but His punishment to the nations, triggered by an attack on Israel. This is prophesied and described comprehensively throughout the Bible as a terrible disaster by fire, that will affect the whole world. Isaiah 63:1-6, Revelation 6:12-17

comfort all who mourn’ - All who love the Lord and follow in His Laws, those who mourn His death on the cross. Zechariah 12:9-10

trees of righteousness, planted in their own Land’ - His people: all faithful Christians, Jews and Gentiles are gathered and settled in His holy Land, into all of that area promised to the Patriarchs, to their descendants by faith, Galatians 3:26-29, in the new country of Beulah. Isaiah 62:1-5, Ezekiel 20:34-36, Isaiah 26:15

buildings rebuilt and the land restored’ - After the devastation caused by the Lord's Day of fiery wrath; a CME sunstrike, The Lord will regenerate the Land, Ezekiel 36:8 but buildings must be rebuilt, including the new Temple. Isaiah 65:21, Zechariah 6:15

foreigners will serve you’ - Isaiah 60:10...foreigners will rebuild your walls...

wealth of the nations will be yours’ - Zechariah 14:14 The same as what happened at the first Exodus. Exodus 11:2

‘make a Covenant with them’ - Jeremiah 31:33, Ezekiel 34:25, Isaiah 54:10, Hebrews 8:10-12

‘from Him has come victory and deliverance’ - Psalms 91:14-16, Psalms 44:4-7

‘known to the nations’ - Ezekiel 39:21, Isaiah 40:5

None of this supports your opinions.
 
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Please understand nobody here in this Forum can really respond to your Thread.

A good analysis of Scripture on the Rapture is available. Google "timfoster405youtube." There is far more than Rev. 20.

I agree. There is zero corroboration for the Premil position.
 
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None of this supports your opinions.
But Isaiah 61:8 does.
Can you not read how the Lord will make Covenant with His people AFTER they are living in the holy Land.
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This sort of pretentious nonsense is an indictment against you.
It shows how little you know the Bible prophesies; Revelation 12:14 says how the people who kept faithful to the New Covenant, will be taken to a place of safety during the 1260 days of the Great Trib. Daniel 11:32
 
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But Isaiah 61:8 does.
Can you not read how the Lord will make Covenant with His people AFTER they are living in the holy Land.

Jesus knew Isaiah 61:8.

Can you not read how He extended His New Covenant in His Blood to His disciples in Matthew 26:28?
 
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Remember, a person does not need to first be a better person before coming to Christ in repentance. They just have to admit they desperately need Him.

Do you need Jesus to give you new life? Yes? No?

Mr. Foster should hurry. People need to be able to distinguish his cult from all of the other cults out there.
 
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But Isaiah 61:8 does.
Can you not read how the Lord will make Covenant with His people AFTER they are living in the holy Land.

In case you missed it, Israel were in the land when Jesus came 2000 years ago. The covenant was fully and perfectly made. Please address all the avoided Scripture above that forbids your reasoning.
 
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Jesus loves you so much He incredibly suffered of a cross to pay our sin debt.

Please stop lecturing believers about salvation just because they disagree with the error of Pretrib.
 
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