1 John 1:9

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You believe God gives us faith through regeneration of the Spirit.

WHEN to we receive the Spirit to give us life?

Can you answer the following questions from God's Holy Word?

Galatians 3:2 (NIV) 2 I would like to learn just one thing from you: Did you receive the Spirit by the works of the law, or by believing what you heard?

Galatians 3:5 (NIV) 5 So again I ask, does God give you his Spirit and work miracles among you by the works of the law, or by your believing what you heard?

How do you answer the above questions?
We hate God by nature. Only after he regenerates our fallen spirit can we believe and desire him in truth.
 
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We hate God by nature. Only after he regenerates our fallen spirit can we believe and desire him in truth.

That is what you believe, but not what God's Word teaches.

Yes, we are slaves to sin before faith in Jesus, but no Scripture states that one who is a sinner cannot feel remorse over his sinful condition or wish he could do what is right.

Christ came to save those who are poor in spirit and humbled. That is why Lord Jesus came to earth.

We receive the Spirit and Spiritual life by faith in Jesus at the hearing of the Gospel. The humble will listen.

God gives His Spirit to give them life to those who will believe in His Son.

John 7:37-39 (WEB)
37 Now on the last and greatest day of the feast, Jesus stood and cried out, “If anyone is thirsty, let him come to me and drink! 38 He who believes in me, as the Scripture has said, from within him will flow rivers of living water.” 39 But he said this about the Spirit, which those believing in him were to receive. For the Holy Spirit was not yet given, because Jesus wasn’t yet glorified.

Acts 5:32 (WEB) 32 We are His witnesses of these things; and so also is the Holy Spirit, whom God has given to those who obey him.

John 14:15-17 (WEB). . . 15 If you love me, keep my commandments. 16 I will pray to the Father, and he will give you another Counselor, that he may be with you forever: 17 the Spirit of truth

John 14:21 (WEB) 21 One who has my commandments and keeps them, that person is one who loves me. One who loves me will be loved by my Father, and I will love him, and will reveal myself to him.”

John 14:23 (WEB) 23 Jesus answered him, “If a man loves me, he will keep my word. My Father will love him, and we will come to him, and make our home with him.

Acts 2:38 (WEB) 38 Peter said to them, “Repent, and be baptized, every one of you, in the name of Jesus Christ for the forgiveness of sins, and you will receive the gift of the Holy Spirit.

Galatians 3:2 (WEB) 2 I just want to learn this from you: Did you receive the Spirit by the works of the law, or by hearing of faith?

Galatians 3:5 (NIV) 5 So again I ask, does God give you his Spirit and work miracles among you by the works of the law, or by your believing what you heard?

Galatians 3:13-14 (WEB) 13 Christ redeemed us from the curse of the law, having become a curse for us. For it is written, “Cursed is everyone who hangs on a tree,” [Deuteronomy 21:23] 14 that the blessing of Abraham might come on the Gentiles through Christ Jesus, that we might receive the promise of the Spirit through faith.

Galatians 4:6 (WEB) 6 And because you are children, God sent out the Spirit of his Son into your hearts, crying, “Abba, Father!”

Ephesians 1:13-14 (WEB)
13 In him you also, having heard the word of the truth, the Good News of your salvation—in whom, having also believed, you were sealed with the promised Holy Spirit, 14 who is a pledge of our inheritance, to the redemption of God’s own possession, to the praise of his glory.
 
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You think you are the savior and faith is a matter of free will. But this is not the case.

You cannot answer the questions that God gives, therefore, who is the one who does not have the Spirit?
 
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That is what you believe, but not what God's Word teaches.

Yes, we are slaves to sin before faith in Jesus, but no Scripture states that one who is a sinner cannot feel remorse over his sinful condition or wish he could do what is right.

Christ came to save those who are poor in spirit and humbled. That is why Lord Jesus came to earth.

We receive the Spirit and Spiritual life by faith in Jesus at the hearing of the Gospel. The humble will listen.

God gives His Spirit to give them life to those who will believe in His Son.

John 7:37-39 (WEB)
37 Now on the last and greatest day of the feast, Jesus stood and cried out, “If anyone is thirsty, let him come to me and drink! 38 He who believes in me, as the Scripture has said, from within him will flow rivers of living water.” 39 But he said this about the Spirit, which those believing in him were to receive. For the Holy Spirit was not yet given, because Jesus wasn’t yet glorified.

Acts 5:32 (WEB) 32 We are His witnesses of these things; and so also is the Holy Spirit, whom God has given to those who obey him.

John 14:15-17 (WEB). . . 15 If you love me, keep my commandments. 16 I will pray to the Father, and he will give you another Counselor, that he may be with you forever: 17 the Spirit of truth

John 14:21 (WEB) 21 One who has my commandments and keeps them, that person is one who loves me. One who loves me will be loved by my Father, and I will love him, and will reveal myself to him.”

John 14:23 (WEB) 23 Jesus answered him, “If a man loves me, he will keep my word. My Father will love him, and we will come to him, and make our home with him.

Acts 2:38 (WEB) 38 Peter said to them, “Repent, and be baptized, every one of you, in the name of Jesus Christ for the forgiveness of sins, and you will receive the gift of the Holy Spirit.

Galatians 3:2 (WEB) 2 I just want to learn this from you: Did you receive the Spirit by the works of the law, or by hearing of faith?

Galatians 3:5 (NIV) 5 So again I ask, does God give you his Spirit and work miracles among you by the works of the law, or by your believing what you heard?

Galatians 3:13-14 (WEB) 13 Christ redeemed us from the curse of the law, having become a curse for us. For it is written, “Cursed is everyone who hangs on a tree,” [Deuteronomy 21:23] 14 that the blessing of Abraham might come on the Gentiles through Christ Jesus, that we might receive the promise of the Spirit through faith.

Galatians 4:6 (WEB) 6 And because you are children, God sent out the Spirit of his Son into your hearts, crying, “Abba, Father!”

Ephesians 1:13-14 (WEB)
13 In him you also, having heard the word of the truth, the Good News of your salvation—in whom, having also believed, you were sealed with the promised Holy Spirit, 14 who is a pledge of our inheritance, to the redemption of God’s own possession, to the praise of his glory.
You assume people feel remorse about sin for the right reason. But most are sad because they were caught. Godly sorrow works repentance in the saved only.
 
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You are "god" questioning me?

Answer God's questions if you have the Spirit...

Galatians 3:2 (NIV) 2 I would like to learn just one thing from you: Did you receive the Spirit by the works of the law, or by believing what you heard?

Galatians 3:5 (NIV) 5 So again I ask, does God give you his Spirit and work miracles among you by the works of the law, or by your believing what you heard?

How do you answer the above questions if you have the Spirit?
 
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Answer God's questions if you have the Spirit...

Galatians 3:2 (NIV) 2 I would like to learn just one thing from you: Did you receive the Spirit by the works of the law, or by believing what you heard?

Galatians 3:5 (NIV) 5 So again I ask, does God give you his Spirit and work miracles among you by the works of the law, or by your believing what you heard?

How do you answer the above questions if you have the Spirit?
You think you are the savior. I do not, so I will never answer according to your present level of learning.
 
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You assume people feel remorse about sin for the right reason. But most are sad because they were caught. Godly sorrow works repentance in the saved only.

No assumptions made. I just trust in God's own instruction in His Word.

Luke 18:9-14 (NIV)
9 To some who were confident of their own righteousness and looked down on everyone else, Jesus told this parable: 10 “Two men went up to the temple to pray, one a Pharisee and the other a tax collector.
11 The Pharisee stood by himself and prayed: ‘God, I thank you that I am not like other people—robbers, evildoers, adulterers—or even like this tax collector. 12 I fast twice a week and give a tenth of all I get.’
13 “But the tax collector stood at a distance. He would not even look up to heaven, but beat his breast and said, ‘God, have mercy on me, a sinner.’
14 “I tell you that this man, rather than the other, went home justified before God. For all those who exalt themselves will be humbled, and those who humble themselves will be exalted.”
 
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You think you are the savior. I do not, so I will never answer according to your present level of learning.

You cannot answer God's simple questions because it would destroy the doctrines you hold to, similar to the Pharisees and the Sadducees.

If you disagree, then see if you can answer the following Questions from God's Word...

Answer God's questions if you can, since you claim to have the Holy Spirit...

Galatians 3:2 (NIV) 2 I would like to learn just one thing from you: Did you receive the Spirit by the works of the law, or by believing what you heard?

Galatians 3:5 (NIV) 5 So again I ask, does God give you his Spirit and work miracles among you by the works of the law, or by your believing what you heard?
 
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You think you are the savior. I do not, so I will never answer according to your present level of learning.

Don't presume to speak as if you know my thoughts.

God is the one who
  • saves,
  • gives life,
  • from darkness to light,
  • from death to life,
only by faith in Jesus.

John 7:38-39 (WEB) 38 He who believes in me, as the Scripture has said, from within him will flow rivers of living water.” 39 But he said this about the Spirit, which those believing in him were to receive.

John 5:24 (WEB) 24 “Most certainly I tell you, he who hears my word and believes him who sent me has eternal life, and doesn’t come into judgment, but has passed out of death into life.

John 8:12 (WEB) 12 Again, therefore, Jesus spoke to them, saying, “I am the light of the world. (Isaiah 60:1). He who follows me will not walk in the darkness, but will have the light of life.

John 12:46 (WEB)
46 I have come as a light into the world, that whoever believes in me may not remain in the darkness

Colossians 2:12 (WEB) 12 having been buried with him in baptism, in which you were also raised with him through faith in the working of God, who raised him from the dead.

Galatians 3:21-22 (WEB) For if there had been a law given which could make alive, most certainly righteousness would have been of the law. 22 But the Scripture imprisoned all things under sin so that the promise by faith in Jesus Christ might be given to those who believe.
 
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1 John 1:9 (AV)
9 If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.

Down through human history... God has confronted man with sin in an attempt to get man to face his sin. 1 John 1:9 is precisely that. We are forgiven all sin (as the tense of "forgive" is in the Greek: has forgiven / does forgive / shall forgive)... but with the confession to God not to others (Psalm 51:4)... we "come along side" God Greek "confess" homo logeo to face and acknowledge our sin...

some say to restore fellowship, I say to remove the sludge we encase ourselves in with sin from our otherwise crystal clear walk with God...

And don’t forget his gospel that he no doubt has in mind, John 20:21-23
 
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We hate God by nature. Only after he regenerates our fallen spirit can we believe and desire him in truth.

That's strange. As a child I distinctly remember loving God.
 
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And don’t forget his gospel that he no doubt has in mind, John 20:21-23

Very good... As you pointed out, we must not forget that the Disciples of Jesus believed in him, gave up everything and followed him for almost 3 years before Jesus ever breathed on them.
 
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You think you are the savior and faith is a matter of free will. But this is not the case.
John 15:2
2 Every branch in me that beareth not fruit he taketh away: and every branch that beareth fruit, he purgeth it, that it may bring forth more fruit.

John 15:6-7
6 If a man abide not in me, he is cast forth as a branch, and is withered; and men gather them, and cast them into the fire, and they are burned.

7 If ye abide in me, and my words abide in you, ye shall ask what ye will, and it shall be done unto you.
 
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It's falling short of the mark after one is justified. . .salvation is not an issue.
"If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness" forgiveness of sins and to be cleansed from unrighteousness is a salvation issue and without conditionally continual confession then no salvation...no forgiveness of sins....no cleansing from unrighteousness.
 
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OSAS = believing God saved you. You cannot have saving faith if you think you can be lost.
If one has a Biblical faith then one knows salvation is conditional upon a continual faithfulness to God and that salvation has never been an unconditional guarantee regardless of what the Christian does.
 
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Well I myself said maybe. As for the blog I don't know who wrote it or where they stand doctrinally. As for OSAS, it's an age old belief that well known respected thologians, scholars and teachers hold to, so I'm not too quick to dismiss it. But I know there are also well known respected thologians, scholars and teachers who don't hold to it, and I'm not quick to dismiss them either.
Who wrote the blog does not matter but the information is what matters that being the present tense denotes an ongoing, sustained action. Those that support it have never been able to prove it from the Bible. Their pulling verses out of context, dismissing the present tense and subjunctive mood are red flags.
Charles Stanley, a big proponent of OSAS struggles with the present tense:
Can a Christian Ever Be Lost?
 
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If one has a Biblical faith then one knows salvation is conditional upon a continual faithfulness to God and that salvation has never been an unconditional guarantee regardless of what the Christian does.

The inevitable problem with that though is "does" is so indefinable. And God's holiness is so great even Mother Teresa didn't do enough to come anywhere close to qualifying.
 
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