WHY THE LORD'S DAY IS NOT SATURDAY

DamianWarS said:

this doesn't say "the Lord's Day". also where in scripture is Q1? you are making up a question and pretending Jesus is answering it without out of context dialog?

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Hmm sure it does. What day is Jesus saying he is Lord of in Matthew 12:8" - Yep the Sabbath day. Go and look up the Greek used in Revelation 1:10 - κυριακή ημέρα which means the day belonging to the Lord. Now is the Sabbath the day belonging to the Lord (Lord's day), absolutely (see the scriptures of God's ownership of the Sabbath day here Genesis 2:1-3; Mark 2:27; Matthew 12:8; Isaiah 58:13; Leviticus 19:3; Exodus 31:13) Your wrong.

LoveGodsWord said:

Hmm sure it does. What day is Jesus saying he is Lord of in Matthew 12:8" - Yep the Sabbath day. Go and look up the Greek used in Revelation 1:10 - κυριακή ημέρα which means the day belonging to the Lord. Your wrong.

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why isn't Rev 1:10 on your original post for sources? how do you make the leap from Rev 1:10 to Mat 12:8?

DamianWarS said:

why isn't Rev 1:10 on your original post for sources? how do you make the leap from Rev 1:10 to Mat 12:8?

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Why does not need to be? That is what the OP is about. There is no leap. The scriptures provided in the post above yours and in page one show that the Sabbath is the Lords day and the only day God claims as His according to the scriptures.

Freth said:

True Rest in Jesus
Even the New International Version of the Bible specifies what rest in Jesus is. This is directly quoted from the NIV.
A Sabbath-Rest for the People of God
Hebrews 4:1-13

1 Therefore, since the promise of entering his rest still stands, let us be careful that none of you be found to have fallen short of it.
2 For we also have had the good news proclaimed to us, just as they did; but the message they heard was of no value to them, because they did not share the faith of those who obeyed.
3 Now we who have believed enter that rest, just as God has said,
“So I declared on oath in my anger,
‘They shall never enter my rest.”
And yet his works have been finished since the creation of the world.
4 For somewhere he has spoken about the seventh day in these words: “On the seventh day God rested from all his works.
5 And again in the passage above he says, “They shall never enter my rest.”
6 Therefore since it still remains for some to enter that rest, and since those who formerly had the good news proclaimed to them did not go in because of their disobedience,
7 God again set a certain day, calling it “Today.” This he did when a long time later he spoke through David, as in the passage already quoted:
“Today, if you hear his voice,
do not harden your hearts.”
8 For if Joshua had given them rest, God would not have spoken later about another day.
9 There remains, then, a Sabbath-rest for the people of God; 10 for anyone who enters God’s rest also rests from their works, just as God did from his.
11 Let us, therefore, make every effort to enter that rest, so that no one will perish by following their example of disobedience.
12 For the word of God is alive and active. Sharper than any double-edged sword, it penetrates even to dividing soul and spirit, joints and marrow; it judges the thoughts and attitudes of the heart.
13 Nothing in all creation is hidden from God’s sight. Everything is uncovered and laid bare before the eyes of him to whom we must give account.​

Rest is the seventh day Sabbath.

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Probably copy/pasted from approved SDA literature.
Do SDA also observe the Passover and other feasts/festivals listed in the OT?
What do we need a a day of rest when we have all the rest we need in Jesus.
NOT “in Christ”,”in Him” NOT gathered together in one.
NOT “in Christ” NO redemption.
“Walk after the flesh” NOT “in Christ” there IS condemnation.
NOT “in Christ” NOT free from the law of sin and death.
NOT “in Christ” NOT a member of the body.
NOT “in Christ” NO sanctification, NO redemption.
Not “in Christ” old things NOT passed away NOT made new.
NOT “in Christ” NOT children of God.
NOT “in Christ” NOT ”made nigh” still far off.
NOT “in Christ” NO promise of life.
NOT “in Christ” NO salvation.
NOT “in Christ” NO salvation.

1. LoveGodsWord said:

   Yep...

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LoveGodsWord said:

Luke 4:16 And he came to Nazareth, where he had been brought up: and, as his custom was, he went into the synagogue on the sabbath day, and stood up for to read.

Acts of the Apostles 13:14, But when they departed from Perga, they came to Antioch in Pisidia, and went into the synagogue on the sabbath day, and sat down.

Act of the Apostles 13:27, For they that dwell at Jerusalem, and their rulers, because they knew him not, nor yet the voices of the prophets which are read every sabbath day, they have fulfilled them in condemning him.

Acts of the Apostles 13:44, And the next sabbath day came almost the whole city together to hear the word of God.

Acts of the Apostles 15:21, For Moses of old time has in every city them that preach him, being read in the synagogues every sabbath day.

Acts of the Apostles 16:13 And on the sabbath we went out of the city by a river side, where prayer was wont to be made; and we sat down, and spoke to the women which resorted thither.

Acts of the Apostles 17:2, And Paul, as his manner was, went in to them, and three sabbath days reasoned with them out of the scriptures

Acts of Apostles 18:4, And he reasoned in the synagogue every sabbath, and persuaded the Jews and the Greeks.

Revelation 1:10, I was in the Spirit on the Lord's day, and heard behind me a great voice, as of a trumpet

Hope this helps.

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You fail to notice the breakdown of this in Acts of the Apostles 21 & Acts of the Apostles 22. Paul summed this up in Acts of the Apostles 23:1. Why did the sabbath keepers reject the Lord on the sabbath ( Luke 6:1-11)? In Luke 6:12-16 it says “in those days” ( KJV) that the Lord went to the mountain to pray. It was the next day which seems to be the day after the sabbath ( an 8th day) that ( per Luke) that the 12 apostles were chosen?

Why is the Lord rejected on the sabbath? Why is St. Paul rejected on the sabbath? Even in the Old Testament, an eighth day is a fulfillment ( Leviticus 12:3 fulfilled by the Lord per Luke 2:22-24). The day of atonement in Leviticus 23 is fulfilled on the 8th day in Leviticus 23:36 Leviticus 23:39 ( the 8th day is even called a sabbath, per KJV). This was observed in Nehemiah 8:14-18 & fulfilled on the 8th day per Nehemiah 8:18. Why is Romans 7 ( note the number) centered on the law ( that is holy per Romans 7:12) but we cannot fulfill? Whereas Romans 8 ( note the number) there is no condemnation to those in Christ who walk not after the flesh but the Spirit?

Yes, a spiritual sense of sabbath is part of the Sunday worship but that is the Lord’s day ( Revelation 1:10) that St. Ignatius of the immediate, post apostolic church recognized as such around 100 AD in his letter to the church of Magnesia ( post #127). Why is it that the Lord rose & established His Church on the 8th day in John 20 ( John 20:1, John 20:19) & after 8 days ( John 20:26) that doubting Thomas testifies to the Lord ( John 20:26-29)?

Der Alte said:

Probably copy/pasted from approved SDA literature.
Do SDA also observe the Passover and other feasts/festivals listed in the OT?

Matthew 11:28-29
28 Come unto me, all ye that labour and are heavy laden, and I will give you rest.
29 Take my yoke upon you, and learn of me; for I am meek and lowly in heart: and ye shall find rest unto your souls.
1 Corinthians 5:7
7 Purge out therefore the old leaven, that ye may be a new lump, as ye are unleavened. For even Christ our passover is sacrificed for us:​

What do we need a a day of rest when we have all the rest we need in Jesus.

Ephesians 1:10 That in the dispensation of the fulness of times he might gather together in one all things in Christ, both which are in heaven, and which are on earth; even in him:​

NOT “in Christ”,”in Him” NOT gathered together in one.

Romans 3:24 Being justified freely by his grace through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus:​

NOT “in Christ” NO redemption.

Romans 8:1There is therefore now no condemnation to them which are in Christ Jesus, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.​

“Walk after the flesh” NOT “in Christ” there IS condemnation.

Romans 8:2 For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus hath made me free from the law of sin and death.​

NOT “in Christ” NOT free from the law of sin and death.

Romans 12:5 So we, being many, are one body in Christ, and every one members one of another.​

NOT “in Christ” NOT a member of the body.

1 Corinthians 1:30 But of him are ye in Christ Jesus, who of God is made unto us wisdom, and righteousness, and sanctification, and redemption:​

NOT “in Christ” NO sanctification, NO redemption.

2 Corinthians 5:17 Therefore if any man be in Christ, he is a new creature: old things are passed away; behold, all things are become new.​

Not “in Christ” old things NOT passed away NOT made new.

Galatians 3:26 For ye are all the children of God by faith in Christ Jesus.​

NOT “in Christ” NOT children of God.

Ephesians 2:13 But now in Christ Jesus ye who sometimes were far off are made nigh by the blood of Christ.​

NOT “in Christ” NOT ”made nigh” still far off.

2 Timothy 1:1 Paul, an apostle of Jesus Christ by the will of God, according to the promise of life which is in Christ Jesus,​

NOT “in Christ” NO promise of life.

2 Timothy 2:10 Therefore I endure all things for the elect's sakes, that they may also obtain the salvation which is in Christ Jesus with eternal glory.​

NOT “in Christ” NO salvation.

2 Timothy 3:15 And that from a child thou hast known the holy scriptures, which are able to make thee wise unto salvation through faith which is in Christ Jesus.​

NOT “in Christ” NO salvation.

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The only thing I copy/paste is scripture and quotes from various sources. When I do, it's obvious they are quotes, because I cite my sources. I write all of my own posts. Every one is unique and written for the threads I participate in.

The Sabbath is rest in Jesus, because Jesus is the Lord of the Sabbath (Matthew 12:8, Mark 2:28 and Luke 6:5); the point I just made in my last post. Hebrews 4:1-13 "There remaineth therefore a rest to the people of God [the Sabbath]."

There is indeed a comfort provided by faith, but this is only a part of the whole. There is no sanctification without obedience, which was the lesson set forth in the Sabbath commandment; even at creation, when God sanctified it. Worshiping God on His seventh day Sabbath is sanctification. Obedience of God's law is sanctification.

Sin is transgression of the law, something that seems to escape those seeking to marginalize God's word so they can rest easy. That isn't rest in Jesus. That isn't faith in God. If you're seeking to deny God through His very words, you are most likely not receiving the "rest in Jesus" you're so busy defending. You most assuredly are not receiving the full blessings of Jesus, if you are not worshiping Him on His chosen day. Scripture isn't gray, it's black and white.

The Ten Commandments are eternal. The Sabbath is eternal.

SkyWriting said:

You are judging yourself. I already know we are all sinners.
There is nothing for me to judge about anyone.
I'm not qualified. Only a sinless person is qualified to judge sin.

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How am I judging myself LOL?

Lukaris said:

You fail to notice the breakdown of this in Acts of the Apostles 21 & Acts of the Apostles 22. Paul summed this up in Acts of the Apostles 23:1. Why did the sabbath keepers reject the Lord on the sabbath ( Luke 6:1-11)? In Luke 6:12-16 it says “in those days” ( KJV) that the Lord went to the mountain to pray. It was the next day which seems to be the day after the sabbath ( an 8th day) that ( per Luke) that the 12 apostles were chosen?

Why is the Lord rejected on the sabbath? Why is St. Paul rejected on the sabbath? Even in the Old Testament, an eighth day is a fulfillment ( Leviticus 12:3 fulfilled by the Lord per Luke 2:22-24). The day of atonement in Leviticus 23 is fulfilled on the 8th day in Leviticus 23:36 Leviticus 23:39 ( the 8th day is even called a sabbath, per KJV). This was observed in Nehemiah 8:14-18 & fulfilled on the 8th day per Nehemiah 8:18. Why is Romans 7 ( note the number) centered on the law ( that is holy per Romans 7:12) but we cannot fulfill? Whereas Romans 8 ( note the number) there is no condemnation to those in Christ who walk not after the flesh but the Spirit?

Yes, a spiritual sense of sabbath is part of the Sunday worship but that is the Lord’s day ( Revelation 1:10) that St. Ignatius of the immediate, post apostolic church recognized as such around 100 AD in his letter to the church of Magnesia ( post #127). Why is it that the Lord rose & established His Church on the 8th day in John 20 ( John 20:1, John 20:19) & after 8 days ( John 20:26) that doubting Thomas testifies to the Lord ( John 20:26-29)?

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Actually no, you failed to recognized that the early Church kept the Sabbath. I just posted the scriptures showing that they did. There is no scripture that says that God's Sabbath commandment has been abolished and we are now commanded to keep Sunday of the first day of the week as a Holy day of rest. That is simply a man-made teaching and tradition that is not biblical. Jesus tells us if we knowingly follow man-made teachings and traditions that break the commandments of God in Matthew 15:3-9 that we are no worshiping God. So who should we believe and follow; God or man? *Acts of the Apostles 5:29; Romans 3:4

Der Alte said:

Probably copy/pasted from approved SDA literature.
Do SDA also observe the Passover and other feasts/festivals listed in the OT?

Matthew 11:28-29
28 Come unto me, all ye that labour and are heavy laden, and I will give you rest.
29 Take my yoke upon you, and learn of me; for I am meek and lowly in heart: and ye shall find rest unto your souls.
1 Corinthians 5:7
7 Purge out therefore the old leaven, that ye may be a new lump, as ye are unleavened. For even Christ our passover is sacrificed for us:​

What do we need a a day of rest when we have all the rest we need in Jesus.

Ephesians 1:10 That in the dispensation of the fulness of times he might gather together in one all things in Christ, both which are in heaven, and which are on earth; even in him:​

NOT “in Christ”,”in Him” NOT gathered together in one.

Romans 3:24 Being justified freely by his grace through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus:​

NOT “in Christ” NO redemption.

Romans 8:1There is therefore now no condemnation to them which are in Christ Jesus, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.​

“Walk after the flesh” NOT “in Christ” there IS condemnation.

Romans 8:2 For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus hath made me free from the law of sin and death.​

NOT “in Christ” NOT free from the law of sin and death.

Romans 12:5 So we, being many, are one body in Christ, and every one members one of another.​

NOT “in Christ” NOT a member of the body.

1 Corinthians 1:30 But of him are ye in Christ Jesus, who of God is made unto us wisdom, and righteousness, and sanctification, and redemption:​

NOT “in Christ” NO sanctification, NO redemption.

2 Corinthians 5:17 Therefore if any man be in Christ, he is a new creature: old things are passed away; behold, all things are become new.​

Not “in Christ” old things NOT passed away NOT made new.

Galatians 3:26 For ye are all the children of God by faith in Christ Jesus.​

NOT “in Christ” NOT children of God.

Ephesians 2:13 But now in Christ Jesus ye who sometimes were far off are made nigh by the blood of Christ.​

NOT “in Christ” NOT ”made nigh” still far off.

2 Timothy 1:1 Paul, an apostle of Jesus Christ by the will of God, according to the promise of life which is in Christ Jesus,​

NOT “in Christ” NO promise of life.

2 Timothy 2:10 Therefore I endure all things for the elect's sakes, that they may also obtain the salvation which is in Christ Jesus with eternal glory.​

NOT “in Christ” NO salvation.

2 Timothy 3:15 And that from a child thou hast known the holy scriptures, which are able to make thee wise unto salvation through faith which is in Christ Jesus.​

NOT “in Christ” NO salvation.

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Jesus is not a Sabbath and there is no scripture stating Jesus is a Sabbath. According to the scriptures the only definition of the Sabbath is the "seventh day" of the week - Exodus 20:10.

LoveGodsWord said:

Why does not need to be? That is what the OP is about. There is no leap. The scriptures provided in the post above yours and in page one show that the Sabbath is the Lords day and the only day God claims as His according to the scriptures.

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Your original post does not include the only biblical reference to the Lord's Day. How are all those verse you mention connected to Rev 1:10?

DamianWarS said:

Your original post does not include the only biblical reference to the Lord's Day. How are all those verse you mention connected to Rev 1:10?

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Why does not need to be? That is what the OP is about. The scriptures provided in the post in page one show that the Sabbath is the Lords day and the only day God claims as His according to the scriptures. What day is Jesus saying he is Lord of in Matthew 12:8" - Yep the Sabbath day. Go and look up the Greek used in Revelation 1:10 - κυριακή ημέρα which means the day belonging to the Lord. Now is the Sabbath the day belonging to the Lord (Lord's day), absolutely (see the scriptures of God's ownership of the Sabbath day here Genesis 2:1-3; Mark 2:27; Matthew 12:8; Isaiah 58:13; Leviticus 19:3; Exodus 31:13). The Sabbath is "the Lords day" according to the scriptures. Now can you prove Sunday or the first day of the week is "the Lords day" according to the scriptures? - Nope.

LoveGodsWord said:

Actually no, you failed to recognized that the early Church kept the Sabbath. I just posted the scriptures showing that they did. There is no scripture that says that God's Sabbath commandment has been abolished and we are now commanded to keep Sunday of the first day of the week as a Holy day of rest. That is simply a man-made teaching and tradition that is not biblical. Jesus tells us if we knowingly follow man-made teachings and traditions that break the commandments of God in Matthew 15:3-9 that we are no worshiping God. So who should we believe and follow; God or man? *Acts of the Apostles 5:29; Romans 3:4

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If circumcision is abolished then the law has been abolished. You can't have the law with parts missing. It is absurd for anyone to claim that they observe a law, here and there, and ignore hundreds of other laws.

The written law was encased within the old covenant. If the old covenant has passed then the entire law has passed. Not one letter of the law will pass away, not one letter!

Matthew 5:18
For truly I say to you, until heaven and earth pass away, not the smallest letter or stroke shall pass from the Law until all is accomplished.

It is impossible for circumcision to have passed away, unless the law itself has passed away.

LoveGodsWord said:

Why does not need to be?

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It needs it be because Rev 1:10 is the only biblical reference to the Lord's Day.

If you are using the term outside of Rev 1:10 you are using the term subjectively (since the term doesn't exist outside of Rev 1:10) which no one can argue (since it's your own). I'm using the term in reference objectively to Rev 1:10 so any argument to my use of the term needs to be connected to Rev 1:10.

I accept the your subjective use of the term and it would appear your criteria is the Lord's Day = the Sabbath day. No problem albeit unconvential and confusing. However if you wish to object to my use of the term, which is in reference to Rev 1:10, then Rev 1:10 (an objective reference) needs to be a part of that conversation.

klutedavid said:

If circumcision is abolished then the law has been abolished. You can't have the law with parts missing. It is absurd for anyone to claim that they observe a law, here and there, and ignore hundreds of other laws.

The written law was encased within the old covenant. If the old covenant has passed then the entire law has passed. Not one letter of the law will pass away, not one letter!

Matthew 5:18
For truly I say to you, until heaven and earth pass away, not the smallest letter or stroke shall pass from the Law until all is accomplished.

It is impossible for circumcision to have passed away, unless the law itself has passed away.

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Nonsense. Circumcision is not abolished it is fulfilled and continued in the new covenant promise to which it pointed to. What do you think the physical sign of circumcision represents?

DamianWarS said:

It needs it be because Rev 1:10 is the only biblical reference to the Lord's Day.

If you are using the term outside of Rev 1:10 you are using the term subjectively (since the term doesn't exist outside of Rev 1:10) which no one can argue (since it's your own). I'm using the term in reference objectively to Rev 1:10 so any argument to my use of the term needs to be connected to Rev 1:10.

I accept the your subjective use of the term and it would appear your criteria is the Lord's Day = the Sabbath day. No problem albeit unconvential and confusing. However if you wish to object to my use of the term, which is in reference to Rev 1:10, then Rev 1:10 (an objective reference) needs to be a part of that conversation.

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God's Word is not confusing. It is God's Word and it says what it says. Now where are your scriptures if you believe that Sunday or the first day of the week is "the Lords day" - There is none because it is simply a man-made teaching that is not biblical

LoveGodsWord said:

God's Word is not confusing. It is God's Word and it says what it says. Now where are your scriptures if you believe that Sunday or the first day of the week is "the Lords day" - There is none because it is simply a man-made teaching that is not biblical

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God's word isn't confusing but your use of it is. Exactly the same amount that the term is connected with the 7th as it is connected with the first day... So by your own logic your reasoning must be man-made teaching.

DamianWarS said:

God's word isn't confusing but your use of it is. Exactly the same amount that the term is connected with the 7th as it is connected with the first day... So by your own logic your reasoning must be man-made teaching.

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According to the scriptures many get confused when they do not want to hear God's Word if it does not agree with them. Isaiah says that many close their eyes and ears to hearing and following Gods' Word in Isaiah 6:9-10. Jesus (Matthew 13:13-25) and Paul (Acts of the Apostles 28:26-27) knew this as well. I am sure also many said the same things to Jesus when he spoke to them in parables because they did not know what he was talking about.

LoveGodsWord said:

Many get confused when they do not want to hear God's Word according to the scriptures. Some says Isaiah even close their eyes and ears. Jesus and Paul new this as well. I am sure many said the same things to Jesus when he spoke to them in parables.

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If you want to discuss a different topic please make another thread for that.

DamianWarS said:

If you want to discuss a different topic please make another thread for that.

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No need dear friend, do you have any scripture showing that Sunday or the first day of the week is "the Lords day"?

LoveGodsWord said:

No need dear friend, do you have any scripture showing that Sunday or the first day of the week is "the Lords day"?

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Scripture doesn't explictly define what day of the week the use of the term the Lord's Day in Rev 1:10 is.