Patriot Parties forming in various states by GOP walkaways

I wish them luck and look forward to the GOP infighting keeping them away from the leavers of power at the federal level for some time. I even dare to hope that the former presidents desire for revenge upon the GOP makes him join them and act as a spoiler in the next presidential election. Far too early to know how it will shake out but there I go being all pollyannaish again.

Wasn't the Patriot Party a group of socialists?...

Patriot Party (1960s–1980s) - Wikipedia

The irony.

I guess the meaning of the word "patriot" is changing.

SigurdReginson said:

Wasn't the Patriot Party a group of socialists?...

Patriot Party (1960s–1980s) - Wikipedia

The irony.

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I'm going out on a limb and saying among the people starting this party, history was not their strongest subject in school. Assuming they finished.

Strathos said:

I guess the meaning of the word "patriot" is changing.

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Yes, most recently it is being appropriated by Q-Anon conspiracists. Other catch phrases to watch for are, " Where we go one, we go all" and more recently "Hold the Line"

I think it's just virtue signaling and grandstanding on their part, and as it gets closer to actual elections, they'll likely realized that a fractured conservative base equates to an easy win for Democrats.

Unless their end goal is to have the "Nader2000" effect (just in the opposite direction), it wouldn't be a very wise decision.


I suspect there will be some infighting on the Democrat's side as well over these next two years (between the AOCs/Gillibrands of the world and the Joe Manchins/Spanbergers) as the Democratic vision seems to differ a bit between coastal democrats, and the more moderate democrats in the Midwest, but not enough where I'd envision the far-left trying to splinter away from the moderates...at least not before 2022. If more democrats lose seats in 2022, and moderate democrats blame "woke politics" like they did for the seat losses this last time around, then there may be some more fracturing occurring, but I don't suspect it'll happen before the 2022 midterms...

So in a nutshell, "Patriot Parties" would basically be political suicide for the 2022 mid-terms especially with 34 senate seats being contested in the 2022 cycle (most of the democratic seats up for grabs are 'safe seats'...as to where the republican seats up for grabs will not be).

essentialsaltes said:

Patriot Party Of The State Of Wisconsin Created As Trump Voters Split From The GOP
"Make Wisconsin Great Again" reads its website with video from Jan. 6 Stop the Steal rally

Onetime Trump voters in Wisconsin, Florida, Georgia, Colorado, Missouri, North Carolina, Ohio and other states have all made attempts at forming their own iterations of a Patriot Party in recent weeks. Some are affiliated with the American Patriot Party of the United States, which does not list a Wisconsin affiliate, while the fledgling Wisconsin party is affiliated with the Patriot Party of the USA.

Although the parties seem to have been formed separately and without coordination, what many of these novice politicos share, they said in interviews, is a deep frustration with the GOP and a desire to create an alternative to the two-party system — with or without Trump's help or participation.

Although these kinds of nascent efforts are unlikely to strike fear into the hearts of the leaders of the Republican Party, the fact that several former GOP voters exhibiting parallel thinking in starting similarly named splinter parties does appear to indicate a broader dissatisfaction in the wake of Trump's exit from the White House.

That was reflected in a recent CBS/YouGov poll, which found that 70% of Republicans would at least consider joining a Trump party.

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I left the R party about 16 years ago. I'd love to see a viable new party, but don't expect it. Right now all we have is a uniparty playing "good cop, bad cop" with us. I'm done with it. I was no fan of Trump until AFTER he was elected and he started doing stuff. From that point on I no longer saw him as a republican, because even the republican I voted for in the primary would have just been more of the same that caused me to leave the party to begin with.

To be clear, though I'm an independent, R's are at least philosophically closer to my viewpoints. I don't agree with a single plank in the D platform. So I usually end up voting republican. After this election was stolen in broad daylight, I won't be voting in national elections any more. It's pointless. I used to say elections can only be won through fraud if they are close. That's obviously no longer true.

KCfromNC said:

I'm going out on a limb and saying among the people starting this party, history was not their strongest subject in school. Assuming they finished.

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Kinda like the fascist "Antifa".

Desk trauma said:

I wish them luck and look forward to the GOP infighting keeping them away from the leavers of power at the federal level for some time. I even dare to hope that the former presidents desire for revenge upon the GOP makes him join them and act as a spoiler in the next presidential election. Far too early to know how it will shake out but there I go being all pollyannaish again.

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I would agree with you if the alternative was not the Democrats, which I consider the children's party. Personally, I don't expect the country to survive four years of Harris. Dead serious.

essentialsaltes said:

It's a shame you're making such a big change in your life over something imaginary.

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I don't consider it imaginary. But Opinions vary.

Direct Driver said:

Personally, I don't expect the country to survive four years of Harris. Dead serious.

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Is that four year period speculation of her being elected in 24 or the idea that Biden is going to step down/be removed/beamed up?

Desk trauma said:

Is that four year period speculation of her being elected in 24 or the idea that Biden is going to step down/be removed/beamed up?

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Heh. I said since he was nominated by his party that if he wins the general, the vice president will be president probably within six months. Let's see how it goes.

I expect this whole presidency between the two of them to be one of the worst calamities in American politics ever. Again, let us see how it goes.

BTW, I thought Trump was the best president in my lifetime. I'm 67.

Direct Driver said:

Heh. I said since he was nominated by his party that if he wins the general, the vice president will be president probably within six months. Let's see how it goes.

I expect this whole presidency between the two of them to be one of the worst calamities in American politics ever. Again, let us see how it goes.

BTW, I thought Trump was the best president in my lifetime. I'm 67.

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I'm sorry you feel that way.

Desk trauma said:

I'm sorry you feel that way.

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It's ok. Life is a mist. Nothing lasts forever. I'd hate to be a young person in this world, though. They are going to see some VERY hard times.

Direct Driver said:

Heh. I said since he was nominated by his party that if he wins the general, the vice president will be president probably within six months. Let's see how it goes.

I expect this whole presidency between the two of them to be one of the worst calamities in American politics ever. Again, let us see how it goes.

BTW, I thought Trump was the best president in my lifetime. I'm 67.

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Eisenhower created the National Highway Systems, created NASA and signed the first civil rights bill since the Civil War. Kennedy created the Peace Corps, and put the first two Americans in space. Johnson sent a manned mission on the moon, signed both the Civil Rights and Voting Rights acts, created Social Security, and appointed the first non-White Supreme Court Justice. Nixon opened China, signed the Anti-Ballistic Missile Treaty, put a man on the Moon and ended the draft. Reagan implemented the largest tax cut in history, started the program of deregulation that was continued by both Clinton and Bush, and ended the Cold War. Yet Trump was greater then all of them?

Direct Driver said:

I left the R party about 16 years ago. I'd love to see a viable new party, but don't expect it. Right now all we have is a uniparty playing "good cop, bad cop" with us. I'm done with it. I was no fan of Trump until AFTER he was elected and he started doing stuff. From that point on I no longer saw him as a republican, because even the republican I voted for in the primary would have just been more of the same that caused me to leave the party to begin with.

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To be clear, though I'm an independent, R's are at least philosophically closer to my viewpoints. I don't agree with a single plank in the D platform. So I usually end up voting republican. After this election was stolen in broad daylight, I won't be voting in national elections any more. It's pointless. I used to say elections can only be won through fraud if they are close. That's obviously no longer true.

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Hey. Whatever keeps the conservatives out of the voting booths.

When all of your compatriots stop voting too, just don't come crying saying the election was stolen if y'all are chosing not to vote. I remember more than a few dems bemoaning democracy after Bush was elected too. But in the end, they all ended up voting again.


As though the left would commit MASSIVE voting fraud but leave McConnell in power. You are right though, it was NOWHERE near close.

Arcangl86 said:

Eisenhower created the National Highway Systems, created NASA and signed the first civil rights bill since the Civil War. Kennedy created the Peace Corps, and put the first two Americans in space. Johnson sent a manned mission on the moon, signed both the Civil Rights and Voting Rights acts, created Social Security, and appointed the first non-White Supreme Court Justice. Nixon opened China, signed the Anti-Ballistic Missile Treaty, put a man on the Moon and ended the draft. Reagan implemented the largest tax cut in history, started the program of deregulation that was continued by both Clinton and Bush, and ended the Cold War. Yet Trump was greater then all of them?

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Yep. I don't consider most of them to be good things for the federal government to even mess with. Social Security was a terrible idea - raw socialism. The civil rights and voting rights acts were un-necessary. Those rights were already protected by the constitution. But even so, they were all things that were easy to do with the cooperation of both parties back in the day when they cooperated. That started to end with the election of Dubya and became almost full stop with Obama. And all they did was investigate and try to impeach Trump from day one, yet he still accomplished a huge amount.

I think his greatest accomplishment was fighting insanity on the left and by the crazy wing of the MSM. Well, that and keeping a country in serious decline from collapsing and even turning it around. When all those other folks were in power, it was considered an insult to call someone a liberal and even worse to call them a socialist. They did not have to fight what he had to fight.

All that being said, there is an old Vulcan saying: Only Nixon could go to China.