What Sabbath did Moses keep?

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Time to leave the Shadows dear friend. As posted in the last post Jesus is our true sacrifice for sin. We are in the new covenant now not the old covenant. This is what the animal sacrifices all pointed to and were prophesying of. Did you read the scriptures in the previous post? John 1:29; 36; Hebrews 10:10; *1 Corinthians 5:7-8; Matthew 26:2; Hebrews 10:1-18. Lets add some more; John 3:16; 1 John 2:2; Romans 5:8; Hebrews 9:12-14; 1 Timothy 2:5; John 14:6; Ephesians 5:2; Hebrews 2:17; Hebrews 10:12-14; 2 Corinthians 5:21; Hebrews 9:28; Ephesians 1:7; Philippians 2:17; Hebrews 9:26; Hebrews 10:1. Read the scriptures shared with you here dear friend

Hope this is helpful

It seems that you ignored my question.
 
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I haven't seen the verse where Paul makes that claim. Saying "it's in there," doesn't cut it. I believe that you are taking Paul out of context. Again, I don't believe that Paul was a false teacher, a heretic, who would contradict YHWH himself.

(CLV) Jer 33:18
As for the Levitical priests there shall not be cut off a man from before Me who offers up the ascent offering and fumes the approach present and offers sacrifices for all the days.

(CLV) Jer 33:19
The word of Yahweh came to Jeremiah, saying,

(CLV) Jer 33:20
Thus says Yahweh: If you could annul My covenant with the day and My covenant with the night so that daytime and night fail to come about in their proper time,

(CLV) Jer 33:21
then also My covenant could be annulled with David My servant, so that he should not come to have a son reigning on his throne, and that with the Levites, the priests, My ministers.

To annul the eternal covenant with the Levites is to reject Yahshua as the rightful King.

I reject any such notion.

Your quoting old testament scripture read the post you are quoting from. Micro-quoting cannot help you here dear friend. I posted you the scriptures so why leave them out pretending I did not post Hebrews 7:1-25 in regards to the change of Priesthood?

The rest of the post you disregarded was....

You cannot separate animal sacrifices and sin offerings from the Levitical Priesthood, Feast days and the earthly Sanctuary in the old covenant dear friend. Paul taught his disciples that Jesus is now our Passover who is sacrificed for us *1 Corinthians 5:7-8 once and for all *Hebrews 10:10.

This means there is no more animal sacrifices today as these "shadow laws" for remission of sin pointed to the coming Christ to who they are fulfilled in *John 1:29. If we read the new covenant scriptures of Paul we also see there is no more Levitical Priesthood *Hebrews 7:1-25 or earthly Sanctuary *Hebrews 8:2-5.

There is no Passover without animal sacrifices and no one keeps the old testament Passover without animal sacrifices and sin offering *Exodus 12:1-11; 27; 43; 48; Exodus 34:25; Numbers 9:2-14; Numbers 28:16-20; Deuteronomy 16:1-5; 2 Chronicles 35:6-19. Are you still making animal sacrifices with a Levitical Priest and an earthly Sanctuary? - Nope!

Then your not keeping Passover according to the old covenant Torah. The good news however is that today we do not have practice these animal sacrifices and sin offerings because we are in the new covenant now and not the old covenant based on better promises. These same laws are continued in Christ who is our true Passover *1 Corinthians 5:7-8; Matthew 26:2 once and for all *Hebrews 10:10 in which these "shadow laws" *Hebrews 10:1-17 all pointed to and are continued in based on better promises *Hebrews 8:1-6.

There has been a change in the Priesthood dear friend *Hebrews 7:1-28. Jesus is now our great High Priest ministering on our behalf in the Heavenly Sanctuary not made with hands that the Lord pitch and not man *Hebrews 8:2 of which the earthly was only a copy *Hebrews 8:5 thanks be to God our Savior! Amen. Time to leave the shadows. Christ our Passover has arrived.

You seemed to have ignored this or not read this post for some reason. Now what is it that you disagree with in the scriptures shared with you dear friend?
 
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So why did Paul tell his disciples to continue to honor Passover; and why did Paul continue to make sacrifices?

I don't believe that Paul was a hypocrite, who was leading his disciples away from Messiah.

How do you explain the animal sacrifices that will be made during the Millennial Reign? Is it your understanding that all animal sacrifices are for the remission of sin? If so, you might want to do a little study on this topic.
Paul told his disciples to keep Christ as their Passover **1 Corinthians 5:7-8; Matthew 26:2; John 1:29; 36. Time to leave the shadows dear friend. We are in the new covenant now not the old covenant.

Literal interpretations of Millennial Sacrifices

I do not hold the literal future interpretation of a millennial application to the scriptures in Ezekiel 40-48 etc as meaning there will be a continuation of animal sacrifices in the new heavens and earth. I believe these were conditional prophecies if God's people had returned to God after their temple was destroyed during Babylonian captivity. There are conditional prophecies all through the scriptures (e.g Jonah and Nineveh).

Background to Ezekiel 40-48

It was fourteen years after the sanctuary had been destroyed, that God gave Ezekiel the “pattern” of another, to show to the house of Israel. Chaps. 40-48. This building consisted of two holy places. Chap. 41. And the most holy place was of the same size with that in the temple of Solomon. Verse 4; 1 Kings 6:19, 20; To this building the word sanctuary is applied in the following texts: Ezekiel 41:21, 23; 42:20; 43:21; 44:1, 5 verses 7, 8, refer to Solomon’s temple), 9, 11, 15, 16, 27; 45:2, 3, 4, 18; 47:12; 48:8, 10, 21. It was offered to the house of Israel then in captivity on this condition, that they should be “ashamed” of their iniquities, and put them away. If they did this, God would cause this building to be established, and would cause “the twelve tribes” to return. Chap. 40:4; 43:10, 11; 44:5-8; 47:13-33; 48. But the house of Israel were not at all ashamed. For when the decree for Israel’s restoration went forth, all Israel could go up to the land where God’s abundant blessing was promised. See the decree of Cyrus. 2 Chronicles 36:22, 23; Ezra 1:1-4; 7:13. But the ten tribes slighted the offer of Cyrus, as well as the promised blessings of God, and the tribes of Judah and Benjamin, with a portion of the tribe of Levi, and a few others, were all that went up. Ezra 1:5; 7:7; 8:15. Thus the house of Israel rejected the gracious offer of the Lord, and slighted the inestimable blessings which God would have given them. Ezekiel 47; 48. Hence this sanctuary was never erected.

The fact that these prophecies do not depend on the future reign of Chris and his saints are given as follows from J. N Andrews book The Sanctuary and 2300 year day prophecies...

{1}. The Prince that shall reign over God’s people Israel, forever, is none other than Jesus Christ. There is to be but one Prince and Shepherd that shall be the King over Israel in the glorified state, and that one is Jesus. Luke 1:32, 33; Ezekiel 37:22, 24; Jeremiah 23:5, 6; Micah 5:2. But the prince here spoken of by Ezekiel is not Christ, but a poor, frail mortal. For (1.) he is commanded to offer a bullock as a sin-offering for himself. Ezekiel 45:22. But Jesus Christ is himself the great sin-offering for the world. 1 John 2:1, 2. He was to offer all manner of offerings for himself. Ezekiel 46:1-8. But Jesus Christ caused all this to “cease” at his death. Daniel 9:27. (3.) God says to these princes, “Take away your exactions from my people.” Ezekiel 45:9. But when Christ reigns, there will be nothing oppressive, for the officers will be peace, and the exactors, righteousness. Isaiah 60:17-19. (4.) And this prince is to have sons and servants to whom, if he will, he may give an inheritance. But that which he gives to his servants will return to the prince in the year of Jubilee. Ezekiel 46:16, 17. And he is forbidden to oppress the people. Verse 18. Surely, it would be blasphemous to apply this to our Lord Jesus Christ. Hence, Ezekiel is not predicting the future reign of Christ over the house of Israel.

{2}. Christ says, “The children of this world [or age] marry, and are given in marriage; but they which shall be counted worthy to obtain that world [or age], and the resurrection from the dead, neither marry, nor are given in marriage.” Luke 20:35. Now hear Ezekiel: “Neither shall they [God’s priests] take for their wives a widow, nor her that is put away; but they shall take maidens of the seed of the house of Israel, or a widow that had a priest before.” Ezekiel 44:22. In the prediction of Christ, respecting that age or world to come, he positively affirms that there shall be no marrying or giving in marriage there; but in Ezekiel, we find the Lord’s priests marrying, and have intimations even that divorce and death are not unknown! Therefore it is evident that Ezekiel does not refer to the age to come. Certain it is that had those priests been “counted worthy to obtain that world,” they would not be represented as marrying in it! And this, too, in the promised land, the very heart of the future kingdom!

{3}. And Christ adds: “Neither can they die any more; for they are equal unto the angels.” Luke 20:36. And Paul testifies that at the last trump, “this mortal shall put on immortality,” and death shall be swallowed up in victory. 1 Corinthians 15:51-54. But Ezekiel has deaths, even in the families of God’s priests, and they themselves defiled by attending their burials, and obliged to offer for themselves a sin-offering!! See Ezekiel 44:25-27. Are such persons equal to the angels? Are they where they can die no more? Surely they are not. Then it is demonstrated that Ezekiel does not refer to the world or age to come. That the sanctuary, priesthood, and offerings, with the accompanying blessings, would have been realized in the Mosaic dispensation, had the twelve tribes of Israel accepted the proffered boon, we will now show. 1. It was to be fulfilled while circumcision was in force. Ezekiel 44:9. But that was abolished at the first advent. Galatians 5:2; 6:12; Colossians 2:11-13. 2. It was while divorce was allowed. Ezekiel 44:22. But that is now done away. Matthew 5:31, 32; 19:8, 9. 3. The distinction between meats, clean and unclean, is recognized. Ezekiel 44:23, 31. But no such distinction is now recognized by the Bible. Romans 14. 4. Sacrifice, offerings, burnt offerings, and sin-offerings, of bulls and goats, were then in force. Ezekiel 46. But they are not now acceptable to God. Hebrews 10. 5. The feasts and the Jubilee were than in force. Ezekiel 45:21-25; 46:9, 11, 17. But they were nailed to the cross. Colossians 2. 6.

The Levitical priesthood was then in force. Ezekiel 40:46; 44:15. But the priesthood of Melchisedec, which passeth not to another, has taken its place. Hebrews 5-9. 7. “The middle wall of partition” then existed, as all these ordinances prove, as well as the acknowledged distinction between “the seed of the house of Israel” and the stranger. Ezekiel 44:22; 47:22. But it is now broken down. Ephesians 2. But we leave the sanctuary offered to the twelve tribes, that we may follow the history of Judah and Benjamin.

Hope this is helpful.
 
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Hope this is helpful.

Not really. Actually presenting a wall of text to dance around what YHWH succinctly states, doesn't help me at all.

PASSOVER

“And this day shall be unto you for a memorial; and ye shall keep it a feast to the LORD (YHWH) throughout your generations; ye shall keep it a feast by an ordinance FOREVER.” (Exodus 12:14)
 
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Your quoting old testament scripture read the post you are quoting from. Micro-quoting cannot help you here dear friend. I posted you the scriptures so why leave them out pretending I did not post Hebrews 7:1-25 in regards to the change of Priesthood?

I'm quoting prophecy that has not yet completely unfolded.


If you back up just one chapter is evident. I didn't tell you to read the whole book of Jeremiah in a wall of text; then say "I hope this helps." For the sake of relevance and brevity, I posted the verses that were pertinent.

(CLV) Jer 32:32
because of all the evil of the sons of Israel and the sons of Judah that they have done to provoke Me to vexation, they, their kings, their chief officials, their priests and their prophets, even the men of Judah and the dwellers of Jerusalem.

(CLV) Jer 32:33
They are turning around the nape of their neck to Me and not their face, though I taught them, rising early and taught them again, yet there are none of them hearkening to take admonition.

(CLV) Jer 32:34
They placed their abominations in the house over which My Name is called, to defile it.

(CLV) Jer 32:35
And they built the high-places of Baal which are in the ravine of the son of Hinnom, to have their sons and their daughters pass through fire for Molech (which I did not instruct them, nor did it come up on My heart), to do this abhorrence that it may cause Judah to sin.

(CLV) Jer 32:36
Now therefore thus says Yahweh, Elohim of Israel, as to this city of which you are saying, It is given into the hand of the king of Babylon by sword and by famine and by plague:

(CLV) Jer 32:37
Behold, I shall convene them from all the lands where I have driven them away in My anger and in My fury and in great wrath, and I will restore them to this place and make them to dwell in serenity.

(CLV) Jer 32:38
They will become My people, and I shall become their Elohim.

(CLV) Jer 32:39
I will give them one heart and one way to fear Me all their days, for good to them and to their sons after them.

(CLV) Jer 32:40
I will contract with them an eonian covenant, from whom I shall not turn back; I will do good to them. And I shall bestow the fear of Me in their heart so as not to go away from on Me.

When did this happen?

There was a "change" in the Priesthood. Actually the word can be more accurately rendered as "transferred." Yahshua is our High Priest. The High Priesthood was transferred from Zadokites to Yahshua. The Levitical Priesthood is set apart from the Zadokite Priesthood. Thus, the words of YHWH and his prophets are true.

I hope this helps.
 
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I'm quoting prophecy that has not yet completely unfolded.


If you back up just one chapter is evident. I didn't tell you to read the whole book of Jeremiah in a wall of text; then say "I hope this helps." For the sake of relevance and brevity, I posted the verses that were pertinent.

(CLV) Jer 32:32
because of all the evil of the sons of Israel and the sons of Judah that they have done to provoke Me to vexation, they, their kings, their chief officials, their priests and their prophets, even the men of Judah and the dwellers of Jerusalem.

(CLV) Jer 32:33
They are turning around the nape of their neck to Me and not their face, though I taught them, rising early and taught them again, yet there are none of them hearkening to take admonition.

(CLV) Jer 32:34
They placed their abominations in the house over which My Name is called, to defile it.

(CLV) Jer 32:35
And they built the high-places of Baal which are in the ravine of the son of Hinnom, to have their sons and their daughters pass through fire for Molech (which I did not instruct them, nor did it come up on My heart), to do this abhorrence that it may cause Judah to sin.

(CLV) Jer 32:36
Now therefore thus says Yahweh, Elohim of Israel, as to this city of which you are saying, It is given into the hand of the king of Babylon by sword and by famine and by plague:

(CLV) Jer 32:37
Behold, I shall convene them from all the lands where I have driven them away in My anger and in My fury and in great wrath, and I will restore them to this place and make them to dwell in serenity.

(CLV) Jer 32:38
They will become My people, and I shall become their Elohim.

(CLV) Jer 32:39
I will give them one heart and one way to fear Me all their days, for good to them and to their sons after them.

(CLV) Jer 32:40
I will contract with them an eonian covenant, from whom I shall not turn back; I will do good to them. And I shall bestow the fear of Me in their heart so as not to go away from on Me.

When did this happen?

There was a "change" in the Priesthood. Actually the word can be more accurately rendered as "transferred." Yahshua is our High Priest. The High Priesthood was transferred from Zadokites to Yahshua. The Levitical Priesthood is set apart from the Zadokite Priesthood. Thus, the words of YHWH and his prophets are true.

I hope this helps.


Hmmm nope. You did not read my posts did you. It is ok I did not think you did when you were making claims earlier that were not true in regards to the change of Priesthood in regards to Hebrews 7:1-25. Your pretty much repeating yourself here HARK! without addressing any of the scriptures in my earlier posts that disagree with you. Of course you are free to believe as you wish. Time to leave the shadows dear friend. Why live in the shadows when you can live in His arms? Sorry dear friend I guess we will have to agree to disagree. Thanks for the discussion though and the opportunity to share God's Word.

Let's leave it for others to prayerfully decide...:)
 
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Hmmm nope. You did not read my posts did you. It is ok I did not think you did when you were making claims earlier that were not true in regards to the change of Priesthood in regards to Hebrews 7:1-25. Your pretty much repeating yourself here HARK! without addressing any of the scriptures in my earlier posts that disagree with you. Of course you are free to believe as you wish. Time to leave the shadows dear friend. Why live in the shadows when you can live in His arms? Sorry dear friend I guess we will have to agree to disagree. Thanks for the discussion though and the opportunity to share God's Word.

Let's leave it for others to prayerfully decide...

Since you seem to be dodging the question; the answer is, it didn't.

I hope that helps you with your timeline.

P.S.

No matter what time it is, forever still means forever.

YHWH does not lie.
 
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Since you seem to be dodging the question; the answer is, it didn't.

I hope that helps you with your timeline.

P.S.

No matter what time it is, forever still means forever.

YHWH does not lie.

Are you being honest now dear friend or perhaps you did not read my posts? I choose to believe the second as I hope and do not think you would intentionally choose to be dishonest. You did not ask any questions that I am aware of that I did not answer with the scriptures that were shared with you. If you read my posts to you then you would have seen that there is conditional and unconditional prophecies in God's Word (e.g. I gave the Nineveh example with Jonah for conditional prophecy). Then went through Ezekiel chapters 40 to 48 showing that these scriptures (same as Isaiah's and Jeremiah etc same time period) where to Israel who had their temple destroyed and what could have been if they returned to God with their whole heart. That didn't happen and either did those prophecies (see post # 184 here you chose to ignore) Like for example the change of the Priesthood you accused me earlier of having any scripture to support this view in a post you micro-quoted me stopping just short of the scripture provided in Hebrews 7:1-25 when the scriptures were not not only already there but all through the post you were micro-quoting from (highlighted in red in a previous post latter). Anyhow perhaps the lesson here is perhaps you should take the time to carefully read what others posts to you and scriptures shared with you before responding and fully quote what they say to you rather then selectively micro-quote what they say out of context. Anyhow all good. I enjoyed the conversation and the opportunity to share Gods' Word with you. What you choose to do with God's Word I will leave between you and God and wish you well.

Thanks for the discussion we will of course agree to disagree :)
 
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Your not being honest now dear friend or perhaps you did not read my posts. I choose to believe the second as I hope and do not think you would be intentionally choose to be dishonest. You did not ask any questions that I am aware of that I did not answer with the scriptures that were shared with you. Like for example the change of the Priesthood you accused me earlier of not quoting scripture in a post you micro-quoted me stopping just short of the scripture provided in Hebrews 7:1-25 when the scriptures were not not only already there but all through the post you were micro-quoting from (highlighted in red in a previous post). Anyhow perhaps the lesson here is perhaps you should take the time to carefully read others posts and scriptures shared with you before responding and fully quote what they say to you rather then selectively micro-quote out of context. Anyhow all good. I enjoyed the conversation and the opportunity to share Gods' Word with you. What you choose to do with God's Word I will leave between you and God. Thanks for the discussion

I generally don't read through a wall of text, that begins with a faulty premise, and directs me to read entire chapters of the bible, in response to a very simple question for which a direct answer wasn't given.

The fact remains that the lost tribes, and Judah, have not been regathered in Israel, in covenant with Messiah.

If you are not willing to accept that; then perhaps you might acknowledge that forever still means forever.

That my friend has not changed.

I seems that you have a double standard regarding what forever means as applied to Shabbat, in contrast to what that same word means when applied to Moed. It would seem that you apply the the word shadow by the same standard even as shabbats and moedim are being spoken of in the same sentence.

I'm not sure that I can help you with that; so it might just be best to leave this at we will have to agree to disagree.
 
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I generally don't read through a wall of text,

Well there you go. I did no think you read my posts either from the responses I was getting back from you. Thank you for being honest. It explains a lot. Perhaps as posted earlier you should spend some time to consider what others are saying before posting as it makes for a better discussion rather then disagreeing and not being able to show why you disagree and trying to make arguments no one is talking about. I do not have a double standard of what "forever" means so no nonsense please. I use the bible as my standard, which is God's Word not mine. It is God's Word (not mine) as posted earlier that says in Hebrews 10:1-17 that God's "shadow laws" for remission of sins are now fulfilled in Christ and and continued in him (forever) based on better promises *Hebrews 8:1-6. Time to leave the shadows dear friend. Jesus who those "shadows" point to has now arrived. Have a read of Hebrews 7 to 10. You will be blessed I am sure.

Something to pray about I guess. :)
 
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Well there you go. I did no think you read my posts either from the responses I was getting back from you. Thank you for being honest. It explains a lot. Perhaps as posted earlier you should spend some time to consider what others are saying before posting as it makes for a better discussion rather then disagreeing and not being able to show why you disagree and trying to make arguments no one is talking about. I do not have a double standard of what "forever" means so no nonsense please. I use the bible as my standard, which is God's Word not mine. It is God's Word (not mine) as posted earlier that says in Hebrews 10:1-17 that God's "shadow laws" for remission of sins are now fulfilled in Christ and and continued in him (forever) based on better promises *Hebrews 8:1-6. Time to leave the shadows dear friend. Jesus who those "shadows" point to has now arrived. Have a read of Hebrews 7 to 10. You will be blessed I am sure.

Something to pray about I guess. :)

All of YHWH's Moedim are to be honored forever.

See: Exodus, Leviticus, and Numbers.

Sin is transgression of the Torah.

See: 1John

Exodus, Leviticus and Numbers are Torah.

Yahshua and his disciples are not in rebellion to YHWH's word.

You can get back to me when you're done reading all that I have to say in those books.
 
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All of YHWH's Moedim are to be honored forever.

See: Exodus, Leviticus, and Numbers.

Sin is transgression of the Torah.

See: 1John

Exodus, Leviticus and Numbers are Torah.

Yahshua and his disciples are not in rebellion to YHWH's word.

You can get back to me when you're done reading all that I have to say in those books.

Indeed dear friend what did you think I said. Please read my post your responding to before posting it would be very helpful to the conversation. No one keeps the old covenant annual Feast days today according to the Torah so please do not pretend that you do. You do not make animal sacrifices for sin, neither do you have a Levitical Priest and there is no earthly Sanctuary to keep the annual Feast days of the old testament.

You cannot separate animal sacrifices and sin offerings from the Levitical Priesthood, Feast days and the earthly Sanctuary in the old covenant dear friend. Paul taught his disciples that Jesus is now our Passover who is sacrificed for us *1 Corinthians 5:7-8 once and for all *Hebrews 10:10.

This means there is no more animal sacrifices today as these "shadow laws" for remission of sin *Hebrews 10:1-17 pointed to the coming Christ to who they are fulfilled and continued in *John 1:29. If we read the new covenant scriptures of Paul we also see there is no more Levitical Priesthood *Hebrews 7:1-25 or earthly Sanctuary *Hebrews 8:2-5.

There is no Passover without animal sacrifices and no one keeps the old testament Passover without animal sacrifices and sin offering *Exodus 12:1-11; 27; 43; 48; Exodus 34:25; Numbers 9:2-14; Numbers 28:16-20; Deuteronomy 16:1-5; 2 Chronicles 35:6-19. Are you still making animal sacrifices with a Levitical Priest and an earthly Sanctuary? - Again Nope! Then your not keeping the annual Feast days according to Torah!

The good news however as posted earlier is that today we do not have to practice these animal sacrifices and sin offerings because we are in the new covenant now and not the old covenant based on better promises *Hebrews 8:1-6. These same laws are continued in Christ who is our true Passover *1 Corinthians 5:7-8; Matthew 26:2 once and for all *Hebrews 10:10 in which these "shadow laws" *Hebrews 10:1-17 all pointed to and are continued in (forever) based on better promises *Hebrews 8:1-6.

There has been a change in the Priesthood dear friend *Hebrews 7:1-28. Jesus is now our great High Priest ministering on our behalf in the Heavenly Sanctuary not made with hands that the Lord pitch and not man *Hebrews 8:2 of which the earthly was only a copy *Hebrews 8:5 thanks be to God our Savior! Amen. Time to leave the shadows. Christ our Passover has arrived.

You seemed to have ignored this or not read this post for some reason. Now what is it that you disagree with in the scriptures shared with you dear friend?

If we reject Christ to who the shadows pointed to then we will be left in the shadows according to the scriptures as we are no longer believing and following God's Word in the new covenant scriptures (John 1:29; 36; Hebrews 10:10; *1 Corinthians 5:7-8; Matthew 26:2; Hebrews 10:1-18; John 3:16; 1 John 2:2; Romans 5:8; Hebrews 9:12-14; 1 Timothy 2:5; John 14:6; Ephesians 5:2; Hebrews 2:17; Hebrews 10:12-14; 2 Corinthians 5:21; Hebrews 9:28; Ephesians 1:7; Philippians 2:17; Hebrews 9:26; Hebrews 10:1)

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Indeed dear friend what did you think I said.

Said about what?

Please read my post your responding to before posting it would be very helpful to the conversation.

I went back and took a closer look. It lead to a bunch of dead ends, misattributions, verbosity fallacies, poor hermeneutics, and additions and subtraction of what scripture actually says. It wasn't a convincing case. Let alone the faulty premise, right out of the gate.

No one keeps the old covenant annual Feast days today according to the Torah so please do not pretend that you do.

How so?

You do not make animal sacrifices for sin,

I'm not a Levitical Priest

neither do you have a Levitical Priest and there is no earthly Sanctuary to keep the annual Feast days of the old testament.

How do you keep the Sabbath without a Priest to make a sacrifice?

You cannot separate animal sacrifices and sin offerings from the Levitical Priesthood, Feast days and the earthly Sanctuary in the old covenant dear friend.

No sequitur. How exactly do sin sacrifices equate to keeping YHWH's Shabbats and Moedim?

You cannot separate animal sacrifices and sin offerings from the Levitical Priesthood

What would make you believe that the Zadok Priesthood and Yahshua are the Levitcal Priesthood?

Paul taught his disciples that Jesus is now our Passover who is sacrificed for us *1 Corinthians 5:7-8

Did you miss this part?

(CLV) 1Co 5:8
so that we may be keeping the festival, not with old leaven, nor yet with the leaven of evil and wickedness, but with unleavened sincerity and truth.

once and for all *Hebrews 10:10.

(CLV) Hb 10:10
By which will we are hallowed through the approach present of the body of Jesus Christ once for all time.

Do you know the difference between an approach present and a sin offering? If so, please explain the difference.

This means there is no more animal sacrifices today as these "shadow laws" for remission of sin *Hebrews 10:1-17

Can you show me where Hebrews 10 speaks of shadow laws? I don't see it in my literal translation. Is it possible that someone has added or subtracted from scripture in your translation?

This means there is no more animal sacrifices today as these "shadow laws" for remission of sin *Hebrews 10:1-17

Again I can't find "shadow laws" in Hebrews 10.

Do you understand the difference between an animal sacrifice for sin and Yahshua's approach present? If so, please explain.

There is no Passover without animal sacrifices and no one keeps the old testament Passover without animal sacrifices and sin offering

Can you show me where Moses, and all of Israel, and the mixed multitude all made sin offerings on the Passover in Egypt?

*Exodus 12:1-11; 27; 43; 48; Exodus 34:25; Numbers 9:2-14; Numbers 28:16-20; Deuteronomy 16:1-5; 2 Chronicles 35:6-19. Are you still making animal sacrifices with a Levitical Priest and an earthly Sanctuary? - Again Nope! Then your not keeping the annual Feast days according to Torah!

Are you keeping the Sabbath according to the Torah, as described during the Tabernacle period, or the temple period? If so; where can I find a practicing Levitical Priesthood who accepts Yahshua as Messiah? If not; then why do you bother to keep the Sabbath? For that matter, you can't keep the Sabbath without a Levitical Priesthood in place; why bother to keep any of YHWH's word?

The good news however as posted earlier is that today we do not have to practice these animal sacrifices and sin offerings because we are in the new covenant now and not the old covenant based on better promises *Hebrews 8:1-6.

Were none of the Apostles in the renewed covenant; as they continued to keep YHWH's Moedim while the Temple was standing?

The good news however as posted earlier is that today we do not have to practice these animal sacrifices and sin offerings because we are in the new covenant now and not the old covenant based on better promises *Hebrews 8:1-6.

So why did the Apostles continue to practice them, so long as the temple was standing?

These same laws are continued in Christ who is our true Passover *1 Corinthians 5:7-8; Matthew 26:2

That's not what my literal translation says. Can you tell me exactly what translation you are quoting?

Hebrews 10:10 in which these "shadow laws" *Hebrews 10:1-17 all pointed to and are continued in based on better promises *Hebrews 8:1-6.

Pointed? That's past tense; and as we know the law stands forever.

Let's look at this verse more carefully.

(CLV) Hb 10:1
For the law, having a shadow of the impending good things, not the selfsame image of the matters, they, with their same sacrifices which they are offering year by year, are never able to perfect to a finality those approaching.

He doesn't say that the law is a shadow. He says that the law has a shadow of what is to come. What is to come is in the future. All has not been fulfilled.

There has been a change in the Priesthood dear friend *Hebrews 7:1-28. Jesus is now our great High Priest
When did I say that he wasn't? Do you believe that he annulled the Father's eternal covenant with the Levitical Priesthood.

Yes or no?

Time to leave the shadows.

If you are leaving the Torah's shadow of good things to come; I'll keep you in prayer. I won't turn my back on YHWH's commandments.

You seemed to have ignored this or not read this post for some reason. Now what is it that you disagree with in the scriptures shared with you dear friend?

I don't disagree with scripture, It seems that your faulty translation does.
 
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Said about what?



I went back and took a closer look. It lead to a bunch of dead ends, misattributions, verbosity fallacies, poor hermeneutics, and additions and subtraction of what scripture actually says. It wasn't a convincing case. Let alone the faulty premise, right out of the gate.



How so?



I'm not a Levitical Priest



How do you keep the Sabbath without a Priest to make a sacrifice?



No sequitur. How exactly do sin sacrifices equate to keeping YHWH's Shabbats and Moedim?



What would make you believe that the Zadok Priesthood and Yahshua are the Levitcal Priesthood?



Did you miss this part?

(CLV) 1Co 5:8
so that we may be keeping the festival, not with old leaven, nor yet with the leaven of evil and wickedness, but with unleavened sincerity and truth.



(CLV) Hb 10:10
By which will we are hallowed through the approach present of the body of Jesus Christ once for all time.

Do you know the difference between an approach present and a sin offering? If so, please explain the difference.



Can you show me where Hebrews 10 speaks of shadow laws? I don't see it in my literal translation. Is it possible that someone has added or subtracted from scripture in your translation?



Again I can't find "shadow laws" in Hebrews 10.

Do you understand the difference between an animal sacrifice for sin and Yahshua's approach present? If so, please explain.



Can you show me where Moses, and all of Israel, and the mixed multitude all made sin offerings on the Passover in Egypt?



Are you keeping the Sabbath according to the Torah, as described during the Tabernacle period, or the temple period? If so; where can I find a practicing Levitical Priesthood who accepts Yahshua as Messiah? If not; then why do you bother to keep the Sabbath? For that matter, you can't keep the Sabbath without a Levitical Priesthood in place; why bother to keep any of YHWH's word?



Were none of the Apostles in the renewed covenant; as they continued to keep YHWH's Moedim while the Temple was standing?



So why did the Apostles continue to practice them, so long as the temple was standing?



That's not what my literal translation says. Can you tell me exactly what translation you are quoting?



Pointed? That's past tense; and as we know the law stands forever.

Let's look at this verse more carefully.

(CLV) Hb 10:1
For the law, having a shadow of the impending good things, not the selfsame image of the matters, they, with their same sacrifices which they are offering year by year, are never able to perfect to a finality those approaching.

He doesn't say that the law is a shadow. He says that the law has a shadow of what is to come. What is to come is in the future. All has not been fulfilled.

When did I say that he wasn't? Do you believe that he annulled the Father's eternal covenant with the Levitical Priesthood.

Yes or no?



If you are leaving the Torah's shadow of good things to come; I'll keep you in prayer. I won't turn my back on YHWH's commandments.



I don't disagree with scripture, It seems that your faulty translation does.

This is just a funny post dear friend. All you have provided here in this post is many empty claims and false accusations with your words that disagree with the the scriptures in the post you are responding to without proving why you disagree with them and without answering any questions asked of you. Therefore all you have is your words arguing with Gods' Word. So your argument is with God not me. If you read my posts and the scriptures provided you would have all your answers. Give it ago and receive God's blessing. Ignoring God's Word does not make it disappear *John 12:47-48. If you cannot of course you are free to believe whatever you like and we will agree to disagree. To me only Gods Word is true and we should believe and follow them *Romans 3:4 :)
 
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Posting random scripture doesn't help to prove your assertion.
Brother, thank you for helping me see more with the Day of Atonement. Now watch me use what I learned to help my people understand the Sabbath that our prophetess prepared us to know.
"from (start of) evening to (start of) evening" = Evening and morning.
Thank you for stating your position so clearly. Did you know that God has opposed that thought on the only passage in God's word where the start and end of the Sabbath is mentioned? The Day of Atonement begins in the middle of the ninth day and ends in the middle of the tenth day, 10 hours before the local tenth day of the week like all other Sabbaths remembered in Israel on the Eden time zone. If we used your defense forcing God to say what He chose not to say above capping the end of the first day in a "morning" and not an "evening", it would begin at the start of the ninth day and end at the start of the tenth day which is clearly incorrect because the Day of Atonement is the tenth day of the month and not the ninth.

And God said, “Let there be light,” and there was light. God saw that the light was good, and he separated the light from the darkness. God called the light “day,” and the darkness he called “night.” And there was evening, and there was morning—the first day. (Genesis 1:3-5 NIV)​

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Brother, thank you for helping me see more with the Day of Atonement. Now watch me use what I learned to help my people understand the Sabbath

Out of curiosity - who are "your people"? Are you talking about "Sabbath keepers" in general?
 
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In the Bible (as we see in the days of Genesis 1) - a day is "from (start of) evening to (start of) evening" = Evening and morning.

Thank you for stating your position so clearly. Did you know that God has opposed that thought

I am not aware of any such thing. But I am aware that you oppose it.

By contrast in the word of God "from evening to evening shall you celebrate your Sabbaths" Lev 23.

More Bible please.
 
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The Day of Atonement begins in the middle of the ninth day and ends in the middle of the tenth day, 10 hours before the local tenth day

no... it does not. All the days of Lev 23 begin with the start of the day -- which is evening. Are you conflating the start of the liturgy with start of the day??
 
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If we used your defense forcing God to say what He chose not to say above capping the end of the first day in a "morning" and not an "evening", it would begin at the start of the ninth day and end at the start of the tenth day

No it would not.

And of course it is at the end of the "daylight" period (with it's completion) that the first day in Genesis 1 ends.

"evening AND morning" were he first day... not "evening and the start of morning" not "evening and the middle of morning".

More bible please.
 
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