Why is this ok when God does it but bad when we(humans) do this?

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I feel like I'm at a cross-roads in my faith. I'll always believe in God but I have zero faith that He cares except for those he favors. Anyway, my question(rhetorical one) is this, why is it wrong to bash parents that have kids but fail to care for them?

Immediately people say," They didn't ask to come here, when you have kids you need to provide the best life possible for them." All of this I agree with. I know the answer to this question but with God there's so many of us that didn't ask to be here but people reply with the opposite saying, " God owes you nothing, be grateful and what not"

If I said that to my kid I would be considered toxic. I just think like Why is it ok for God to create millions of people, some that have horrendous lives, Lonely lives, struggle with mental illness and He just watches them struggle?

This along with the verse He has mercy on whomever he wills makes me want to give up on God honestly.

The only way I can make this okay in my head and heart is to cancel out his power. I'd understand if He just couldn't help and was doing the best He could BUT the fact He can and choose not to disturbs me alot.

Idk I need some answers because I just don't see God the same.
 

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I feel like I'm at a cross-roads in my faith. I'll always believe in God but I have zero faith that He cares except for those he favors. Anyway, my question(rhetorical one) is this, why is it wrong to bash parents that have kids but fail to care for them?

Immediately people say," They didn't ask to come here, when you have kids you need to provide the best life possible for them." All of this I agree with. I know the answer to this question but with God there's so many of us that didn't ask to be here but people reply with the opposite saying, " God owes you nothing, be grateful and what not"

If I said that to my kid I would be considered toxic. I just think like Why is it ok for God to create millions of people, some that have horrendous lives, Lonely lives, struggle with mental illness and He just watches them struggle?

This along with the verse He has mercy on whomever he wills makes me want to give up on God honestly.

The only way I can make this okay in my head and heart is to cancel out his power. I'd understand if He just couldn't help and was doing the best He could BUT the fact He can and choose not to disturbs me alot.

Idk I need some answers because I just don't see God the same.
God loves us all and died for each of us. He never lets go of us, but it us who let go of Him. He favors those who love Him, except Him, have faith in Him and obey. God is a God of love and seek Him with all your heart and ye shall find.

A lot of people are the way they are because they let go of God or never knew Him. Satan is very busy indeed, but God gives us all free will to choose. Choose God, satan wins the war but loses the battle.

Don’t give up. God bless.
 
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God loves us all and died for each of us. He never lets go of us, but it us who let go of Him. He favors those who love Him, except Him, have faith in Him and obey. God is a God of love and seek Him with all your heart and ye shall find. Don’t give up. God bless.
True but he gives everyone a different measure of grace and that can be seen in people's lives. One person may have a good upbringing, friends, married and still have God. The other abused, lonely, struggling. Why the difference? why would God give one person more blessings and favor than the other. Yes God died for all but the first person I mention has that and a bit more. (Both people are real life examples)

Also, that scripture I mentioned wasn't explained (He has mercy on whom ever he wills) Is that why some people have bad lives and others good lives?
 
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God has made it clear that he is leaving us to our own devices for the time being to demonstrate to us that when we reject his way of life we crash and burn. He will save us in the end however. He is "not willing that any should perish..."
 
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Much of the suffering that we experience in the world is the consequence of our own actions and behavior, and we are also negatively affected by the poor choices of other people. God created us with the freedom to make those choices rather than creating us to be mindless puppets, so I think that he would have to remove the freedom if he were to remove the consequences of our freedom.
 
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True but he gives everyone a different measure of grace and that can be seen in people's lives. One person may have a good upbringing, friends, married and still have God. The other abused, lonely, struggling. Why the difference? why would God give one person more blessings and favor than the other. Yes God died for all but the first person I mention has that and a bit more. (Both people are real life examples)

Also, that scripture I mentioned wasn't explained (He has mercy on whom ever he wills) Is that why some people have bad lives and others good lives?

Life doesn't always seem fair and almost everyone regardless of wealth, race, upbringing etc all has struggles. Its the choices we make that matters.

Regarding Mercy, God said it pretty clear in the second commandment who He shows mercy to:

Exodus 20

“You shall not make for yourself a carved image—any likeness of anything that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth; 5 you shall not bow down to them nor serve them. For I, the Lord your God, am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the children to the third and fourth generations of those who hate Me, 6 but showing mercy to thousands, to those who love Me and keep My commandments.
 
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God has made it clear that he is leaving us to our own devices for the time being to demonstrate to us that when we reject his way of life we crash and burn. He will save us in the end however. He is "not willing that any should perish..."

If He's leaving us to our own devices why does God talk about being a comforter and promises? Also back to my question, to my knowledge none of us asked to be here so why Is God elusive for some during their time of need ?
 
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Life doesn't always seem fair and almost everyone regardless of wealth, race, upbringing etc all has struggles. Its the choices we make that matters.

Regarding Mercy, God said it pretty clear in the second commandment who He shows mercy to:

Exodus 20

“You shall not make for yourself a carved image—any likeness of anything that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth; 5 you shall not bow down to them nor serve them. For I, the Lord your God, am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the children to the third and fourth generations of those who hate Me, 6 but showing mercy to thousands, to those who love Me and keep My commandments.
Im talking about Romans 9:18 "Therefore God has mercy on whom he wants to have mercy, and he hardens whom he wants to harden."

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So you see, God chooses to show mercy to some, and he chooses to harden the hearts of others so they refuse to listen.

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So then he has mercy on whomever he wills, and he hardens whomever he wills.

Not trying to start anything just understand I guess.
Also in another verse his word says, He causes his blessings to rain on the righteous and unrighteous not solely those that love him.
 
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Im talking about Romans 9:18 "Therefore God has mercy on whom he wants to have mercy, and he hardens whom he wants to harden."

New Living Translation
So you see, God chooses to show mercy to some, and he chooses to harden the hearts of others so they refuse to listen.

English Standard Version
So then he has mercy on whomever he wills, and he hardens whomever he wills.

Not trying to start anything just understand I guess.
Also in another verse his word says, He causes his blessings to rain on the righteous and unrighteous not solely those that love him.
Sometimes God can't reach us if He gives us everything we want. Granting everything to us would be giving us our will and not His. God want to bless each of us but are you doing His will or yours?

Psalms 119:2 Blessed are those who keep His testimonies, Who seek Him with the whole heart!

He can't grant you something that goes against His will. When I did my will, I was miserable. Now that I am following Him and His will I feel very blessed.
 
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If He's leaving us to our own devices why does God talk about being a comforter and promises? Also back to my question, to my knowledge none of us asked to be here so why Is God elusive for some during their time of need ?

His word is everywhere. Of course God is primarily concerned with those he has called into his church in this age. But everyone will be called later.

If you are here you have the opportunity for a good life (barring serious mental or physical barriers). Many who are unplanned, unwanted, unloved, and uncared for, go on to live good lives.
 
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Much of the suffering that we experience in the world is the consequence of our own actions and behavior, and we are also negatively affected by the poor choices of other people. God created us with the freedom to make those choices rather than creating us to be mindless puppets, so I think that he would have to remove the freedom if he were to remove the consequences of our freedom.

What about he suffering that isn't cause by our own choices like abusive family, discrimination, natural disaster and more that I can't think of right now
 
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His word is everywhere. Of course God is primarily concerned with those he has called into his church in this age. But everyone will be called later.

If you are here you have the opportunity for a good life (barring serious mental or physical barriers). Many who are unplanned, unwanted, unloved, and uncared for, go on to live good lives.
What do you mean by the underlined? and what about those that don't go on to have good lives? Also God's word without his action doesn't help too much. Like if lose a loved one--Just reading a scripture won't help vs. God super naturally comforting me or both.
 
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I feel like I'm at a cross-roads in my faith. I'll always believe in God but I have zero faith that He cares except for those he favors. Anyway, my question(rhetorical one) is this, why is it wrong to bash parents that have kids but fail to care for them?

Immediately people say," They didn't ask to come here, when you have kids you need to provide the best life possible for them." All of this I agree with. I know the answer to this question but with God there's so many of us that didn't ask to be here but people reply with the opposite saying, " God owes you nothing, be grateful and what not"

If I said that to my kid I would be considered toxic. I just think like Why is it ok for God to create millions of people, some that have horrendous lives, Lonely lives, struggle with mental illness and He just watches them struggle?

This along with the verse He has mercy on whomever he wills makes me want to give up on God honestly.

The only way I can make this okay in my head and heart is to cancel out his power. I'd understand if He just couldn't help and was doing the best He could BUT the fact He can and choose not to disturbs me alot.

Idk I need some answers because I just don't see God the same.
Olivet, (great name!),
The Bible also says "Parents, don't exasperate your children."
"The letter of the law kills, but the spirit gives life."
Meaning to me, God is in the details. One law does not apply to every circumstance.
On the other hand, we should pray for our parents even if they abused us. We want them to repent, to accept Christ, and to go to heaven.
And what if the scripture that he will have mercy on whom he will, actually shows the depth of His mercy? That He will go as far as He can for every person, even unto death on a cross? I am quite sure it does not mean he will be unfair, or just flippantly throw souls away.
But I understand your questions. "Though now we see through a foggy glass, yet one day we will see clearly."
Let us trust that God is good, really trust in Him and praise Him.
He gave his son, part of himself, to die, because He wants everyone to be saved. On that we can depend.
For if not everyone, then how anyone?
And that is scripture, that He wants everyone to be saved.
And yes, suffering is a part of life, for some, more than others. But God is there too. Have you read The Hiding place?
And did you know Darwin studied to be a preist, but gave up God for the same question: how could a good God allow suffering?
So we look again, and as always, to Jesus; how He suffered for us.
And we cannot even begin to comprehend the extent of the suffering involved in taking the whole world's sin upon himself, for all of us.
God bless and keep you, and give you insight.
"Knock, and the door will he opened." Just try to do it in faith.
I think there's a reason it's called the sacrifice of praise, and these questions exemplify just that. This world, and in some ways the Word itself, is hard to understand.
But Jesus isn't.
Thank-you Lord.
 
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Olivet, (great name!),
The Bible also says "Parents, don't exasperate your children."
"The letter of the law kills, but the spirit gives life."
Meaning to me, God is in the details. One law does not apply to every circumstance.
On the other hand, we should pray for our parents even if they abused us. We want them to repent, to accept Christ, and to go to heaven.
And what if the scripture that he will have mercy on whom he will, actually shows the depth of His mercy? That He will go as far as He can for every person, even unto death on a cross? I am quite sure it does not mean he will be unfair, or just flippantly throw souls away.
But I understand your questions. "Though now we see through a foggy glass, yet one day we will see clearly.
Let us trust that God is good, really trust in Him and praise Him.
He gave his son, part of himself, to die, because He wants everyone to be saved. On that we can depend.
For if not everyone, then how anyone?
And that is scripture, that He wants everyone to be saved.

I love your response but trust is hard for me. I wish i could do so blindly and mindlessly without much thought but I just can't when I see my life and other's (Compare their favor and grace to mine) and the world around me. I can't.
 
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I feel like I'm at a cross-roads in my faith. I'll always believe in God but I have zero faith that He cares except for those he favors. Anyway, my question(rhetorical one) is this, why is it wrong to bash parents that have kids but fail to care for them?

Immediately people say," They didn't ask to come here, when you have kids you need to provide the best life possible for them." All of this I agree with. I know the answer to this question but with God there's so many of us that didn't ask to be here but people reply with the opposite saying, " God owes you nothing, be grateful and what not"

If I said that to my kid I would be considered toxic. I just think like Why is it ok for God to create millions of people, some that have horrendous lives, Lonely lives, struggle with mental illness and He just watches them struggle?

This along with the verse He has mercy on whomever he wills makes me want to give up on God honestly.

The only way I can make this okay in my head and heart is to cancel out his power. I'd understand if He just couldn't help and was doing the best He could BUT the fact He can and choose not to disturbs me alot.

Idk I need some answers because I just don't see God the same.
luke 16:20 And there was a certain beggar named Lazarus, which was laid at his gate, full of sores,
21 And desiring to be fed with the crumbs which fell from the rich man’s table: moreover the dogs came and licked his sores.
22 And it came to pass, that the beggar died, and was carried by the angels into Abraham’s bosom: the rich man also died, and was buried;
23 And in hell he lift up his eyes,
being in torments, and seeth Abraham afar off, and Lazarus in his bosom.
24 And he cried and said, Father Abraham, have mercy on me, and send Lazarus, that he may dip the tip of his finger in water, and cool my tongue; for I am tormented in this flame.
25 But Abraham said, Son, remember that thou in thy lifetime receivedst thy good things, and likewise Lazarus evil things: but now he is comforted, and thou art tormented.
 
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What do you mean by the underlined? and what about those that don't go on to have good lives? Also God's word without his action doesn't help too much. Like if lose a loved one--Just reading a scripture won't help vs. God super naturally comforting me or both.

Is there some particular thing that's bothering you?
 
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luke 16:20 And there was a certain beggar named Lazarus, which was laid at his gate, full of sores,
21 And desiring to be fed with the crumbs which fell from the rich man’s table: moreover the dogs came and licked his sores.
22 And it came to pass, that the beggar died, and was carried by the angels into Abraham’s bosom: the rich man also died, and was buried;
23 And in hell he lift up his eyes,
being in torments, and seeth Abraham afar off, and Lazarus in his bosom.
24 And he cried and said, Father Abraham, have mercy on me, and send Lazarus, that he may dip the tip of his finger in water, and cool my tongue; for I am tormented in this flame.
25 But Abraham said, Son, remember that thou in thy lifetime receivedst thy good things, and likewise Lazarus evil things: but now he is comforted, and thou art tormented.

This is the only way thing make sense , if things balance out in the end I guess.
 
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