The Great Second Exodus

mkgal1 · Feb 12, 2021

keras said:
THEN; the faithful born again Christian believers will go there as God's people, who He always wanted there, but has never yet had.

Never?

Acts 2:5
5Now there were dwellingb in Jerusalem God-fearing Jews from every nation under heaven.

.....are you suggesting that somehow the early Church - including the disciples - was not "born again Christians"?

Mr. M · Feb 12, 2021

keras said:
The great Second Exodus of God's people to the holy Land, is hard to believe for those who have other ideas about what they want God to do in the end times.

This passage is clearly a "second Exodus", comparing to Egypt in V. 16.
The remnant gathered from all nations. I could not find it in your list.
Did I overlook it?
Isaiah 11:
11 It shall come to pass in that day
That the Lord shall set His hand again the second time
To recover the remnant of His people who are left,
From Assyria and Egypt,
From Pathros and Cush,
From Elam and Shinar,
From Hamath and the islands of the sea.
12 He will set up a banner for the nations,
And will assemble the outcasts of Israel,
And gather together the dispersed of Judah
From the four corners of the earth.
13 Also the envy of Ephraim shall depart,
And the adversaries of Judah shall be cut off;
Ephraim shall not envy Judah,
And Judah shall not harass Ephraim.
14 But they shall fly down upon the shoulder of the Philistines toward the west;
Together they shall plunder the people of the East;
They shall lay their hand on Edom and Moab;
And the people of Ammon shall obey them.
15 The Lord will utterly destroy the tongue of the Sea of Egypt;
With His mighty wind He will shake His fist over the River,
And strike it in the seven streams,
And make men crossover dry-shod.
16 There will be a highway for the remnant of His people
Who will be left from Assyria,
As it was for Israel
In the day that he came up from the land of Egypt.

keras · Feb 12, 2021

mkgal1 said:
Correct.....but the "last days" is referring to the end of the Mosaic Covenant and temporary temple religious system. That definitely has to do with the 1st century.

As I said: Daniel 12 has nothing to do with what happened in the First Century.
When did the 1290 and the 1335 days occur?

It is all about the end of this Christian age, the Millennium and Eternity.

Vladimir Moss? Just another confused and deceived preterist.

Re Acts 2:5, I refer to a nation not a few individuals.

mkgal1 · Feb 12, 2021

keras said:
Vladimir Moss? Just another confused and deceived preterist.

Moss holds to historic Eastern Orthodox beliefs.....passed down from the ancient churches of Asia Minor (the early church).

Personally, I find that much more credible than personal solo modern interpretations.

"About Vladimir Moss and the History of Orthodox Church" About Vladimir Moss and the History of Orthodox Church

keras · Feb 13, 2021

Continuing to post scriptures about the Great Second Exodus of of the faithful Christian peoples into all of the holy land:
Zion, the Promised Land:

Isaiah 49:14-23 Zion says: The Lord has forsaken me. The Lord says: Can a woman forget her child? I shall never forget you. I have inscribed you on the palms of My hands. Your dwellings are always before My eyes.

Your people will hasten back, while your enemies depart. Look around, your children gather and come to you. They will be as ornaments in the Land.

Once the Land was desolate. Your enemies are now far away. The children born while the Land was occupied by foreigners will now say: This place is too small for us. Zion will say; who bore these children, when I was deserted, where did they come from?

The Lord says; I shall signal to the nations, they will carefully transport My people to their Promised Land. Kings will be your sponsors and great people will serve and honor you. You will know that I am the Lord, none who trust in Me will be disappointed.

Zion: The holy Land, forsaken and desolate, Jeremiah 22:6-7, Hosea 4:3, that is how it will be after the next prophesied event: The Lord’s Day of vengeance and wrath, an explosion of the sun, directed at the Middle East that will clear and cleanse the entire area. Currently most of the holy Land is occupied by atheists or false religion worshippers. The Jews will be judged, Zechariah 13:7-9, Ezekiel 30:1-5, Hosea 4:3, Zephaniah 1:18, 2 Peter 3:7

‘the enemies depart, they are now far away’: Psalms 83 and Micah 4:11 tell us how the surrounding nations and entities all hate Israel and want to ‘wipe them off the map’. Those attackers will all be killed, some by their own weapons; Psalms 7:12-16, and the rest of the inhabitants will flee. Jeremiah 49:4-5 & 35-37

‘Your people will hasten back’: A part of Judah has returned, but very few are true believers and Judah now faces judgement. A remnant will survive in Jerusalem. Isaiah 6:11-13 All true Christians are now the Lord’s people: Romans 9:24-26, Psalms 24:3-5, Malachi 3:16-17

‘The Lord’s people, all those who put their trust in Him’: Christians from every race, nation and language, will be gathered and transported to all the area from the Nile to the Euphrates. Isaiah 66:18b-20, Psalms 107, Jer. 23:3-4, Zechariah 9:16 On that Day their God will save them, they will sparkle like jewels in the Land.

‘The Promised Land’: will be regenerated and become fruitful. Joel 2:21-24, Psalms 126:1-5

Ezekiel 36:8-12 You, mountains of Israel, put forth your branches and bear fruit, for the homecoming of your people is near. Isaiah 51:3

Isaiah 35:1-10 Let the desert be glad, let it flower and rejoice!...Be strong, My people, fear not: your God comes to save you with His vengeance and retribution. Then; understanding will be given to all who couldn’t see or comprehend the Prophetic Word.

A highway will appear and by that road, the Lord’s redeemed people will travel into their heritage. His holy people, set free will enter Zion with shouts of praise for their Redeemer. Gladness and joy will come upon them and suffering and sorrow will be gone.

Psalms 48:11-14 The hills of Zion rejoice, Judah’s cities are glad. Walk about the holy Land, count the towers. Note the fortifications and buildings, so that you can tell about them to the coming generations. For this God is our God, our guide and protector, now and forever.

Psalms 69:35-36 For God will deliver Zion and rebuild the cities of Judah. The children of those who serve Him will inherit the Land and those who love His Name will dwell there.

Isaiah 55:11-13 You will go out with joy and be led forth in peace....the Land will rejoice at your coming.
Reference: Revised English Bible, some verses abridged.

That all this happens before the Return of Jesus in His glory, is made clear by Isaiah 49:23,
‘you will know that I am the Lord’’. First, His people will gather and settle in all of the holy Land. Those who serve the Lord will inherit the Land. Psalms 126:1-5

All this is prophesied to happen as all the faithful Christians prepare for the eventual Millennial reign of Jesus.

mkgal1 · Feb 13, 2021

keras said:
Daniel was a man of great faith; his people are all the faithful believers

I agree. It's those faithful 1st century Jewish believers that Jesus was confirming His covenant with.....just as Daniel's prophecy had promised:

Daniel 9:27
And he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week: and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease, and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make it desolate, even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate.

From the Bible Project:
Our first parents, Adam and Eve, were to live as priest-kings on God’s behalf, replicating and ruling over the world and representing his righteousness to all (this is often referred to as the “cultural mandate”). They would enjoy the blessings of eternal life with God as long as they didn’t eat from the tree of the knowledge of good and evil. To do so, however, would bring the curse of death on humanity. Easy-peasy, right?

Wrong. Unfortunately, we humans didn’t live up to our end of the deal. Imagine that. Adam and Eve chose to disbelieve God and trust their own instincts about right and wrong. They sinned against God, fracturing the human-divine relationship, and plunged humanity into sin and death. This “fall” accounts for the brokenness and corruption we experience in the world today. We’d be stuck in the wreckage of Genesis 3
were it not for divine intervention through the covenants. Thankfully, the rest of the Bible describes how God sets out to repair this broken partnership with humans.

Cue the covenants.

"Covenants: The Backbone of the Bible | BibleProject™" Covenants: The Backbone of the Bible | BibleProject™

mkgal1 · Feb 13, 2021

keras said:
The Lord’s people, all those who put their trust in Him’: Christians from every race, nation and language, will be gathered and transported to all the area from the Nile to the Euphrates. Isaiah 66:18b-20, Psalms 107, Jer. 23:3-4, Zechariah 9:16 On that Day their God will save them, they will sparkle like jewels in the Land.

‘The Promised Land’: will be regenerated and become fruitful. Joel 2:21-24, Psalms 126:1-5

There's more to "the story"......this post I quoted here is leaving out the importance of the ministry of Jesus.

Abraham knew the Promised Land was spiritual.....not physical:

Hebrews 11:10
Abraham was confidently looking forward to a city with eternal foundations, a city designed and built by God.

The unshakable Kingdom

Hebrews 12:18-24

18For you have not come to a mountain that can be touched and thatg is burning with fire; to darkness, gloom, and storm; 19to a trumpet blast or to a voice that made its hearers beg that no further word be spoken. 20For they could not bear what was commanded: “If even an animal touches the mountain, it must be stoned.”h 21The sight was so terrifying that even Moses said, “I am trembling with fear.”i 22Instead, you have come to Mount Zion, to the city of the living God, the heavenly Jerusalem. 24to Jesus the mediator of a new covenant, and to the sprinkled blood that speaks a better word than the blood of Abel.

mkgal1 · Feb 13, 2021

keras said:
Re Acts 2:5, I refer to a nation not a few individuals.

Acts 2 records an event that included more than just "a few individuals":

Acts 2:14
Peter Addresses the Crowd
(Psalm 16:1–11; Joel 2:28–32)

14Then Peter stood up with the Eleven, lifted up his voice, and addressed the crowd: “Men of Judea and all who dwell in Jerusalem...."

V.37-41
37When the people heard this, they were cut to the heart and asked Peter and the other apostles, “Brothers, what shall we do?”38Peter replied, “Repent and be baptized, every one of you, in the name of Jesus Christ for the forgiveness of your sins, and you will receive the gift of the Holy Spirit. 39This promise belongs to you and your children and to all who are far off—to all whom the Lord our God will call to Himself.”40With many other words he testified, and he urged them, “Be saved from this corrupt generation.” 41Those who embraced his message were baptized, and about three thousand were added to the believers that day

Notice comparison made in green:

ShineyDays2 · Feb 13, 2021

Spiritual Jew said:
Inheriting the holy land is nothing compared to that. You have your eyes on the wrong prize.

A good observation I must say!

Here is another observation: The Pew Research Center estimates the world population of Christians total 2.1 BILLION - not million, BILLION at this time! That number excludes all other Christians of the past 50 years! So, since things have to makes sense to me, that is totally unrealistic to expect even 1/10 of that number to ever live literally in Jerusalem. That idea, along with measuring it alongside scripture comes out to being incompatible in my humble opinion.

Just sayin'

mkgal1 · Feb 13, 2021

keras said:
It is all about the end of this Christian age, the Millennium and Eternity.

There's no end to "the Christian age"......You do agree that it is Jesus who fulfilled the Messianic hopes of the Old Testament.....correct?

Isaiah 9:7
His government and its peace will never end. He will rule with fairness and justice from the throne of his ancestor David for all eternity. The passionate commitment of the LORD of Heaven’s Armies will make this happen!

Isaiah 11:1
Out of the stump of David’s family will grow a shoot— yes, a new Branch bearing fruit from the old root.

Luke 1:33
and He will reign over the house of Jacob forever. His kingdom will never end!”

jeffweedaman · Feb 14, 2021

Spiritual Jew said:
Including you.

We will be inheriting the new heavens and new earth. Inheriting the holy land is nothing compared to that. You have your eyes on the wrong prize.

Very good.

We do not INHERIT A PRIZE that perishes at his coming a second time.

Keras seems to believe we inherit old test land promises that will eventually pass away at his second coming. Heaven and earth will pass away but my words will not pass away.

If I am understanding Keras correctly ...he believes we are gathered into the old land before he appears in glory a second time.

That doesnt make any sense to me. His promises regarding inheritance are everlasting yes?

keras · Feb 14, 2021

jeffweedaman said:
If I am understanding Keras correctly ...he believes we are gathered into the old land before he appears in glory a second time.

Psalms 37:29 The righteous shall inherit the land and shall dwell therein forever.
Matthew 5:5 Blessed are the meek, for they shall inherit the earth. [holy Land]
Proved by how the Lord is known by His deeds, not by His presence, as yet. Ezekiel 39:28 and then Ezekiel 40:48 describes how we will have our own leaders, Jeremiah 30:21, Hosea 1:11, and how the people and the holy Land will be divided into 12, each called after a son of Jacob.
Also we Christians are present in the holy Land when the leader of the One World Govt, conquers us. Daniel 7:25 and Revelation 13:7

That this truth is new to most Christians, is because God wanted it that way. But now we are so close to when it will happen, a few will understand. Daniel 12:10

keras · Feb 14, 2021

Moriah's Song said:
Here is another observation: The Pew Research Center estimates the world population of Christians total 2.1 BILLION - not million, BILLION at this time!

Do I really have to point out everything to you?
What percentage of the people who call themselves Christian, are truly born again Christians? I have seen estimates of around 5%.

Also we are talking about the entire holy Land; from the Nile to the Euphrates. about 120,000 square kilometers.

jeffweedaman · Feb 14, 2021

jeffweedaman said:
Very good.

We do not INHERIT A PRIZE that perishes at his coming a second time.

Keras seems to believe we inherit old test land promises that will eventually pass away at his second coming. Heaven and earth will pass away but my words will not pass away.

If I am understanding Keras correctly ...he believes we are gathered into the old land before he appears in glory a second time.

That doesnt make any sense to me. His promises regarding inheritance are everlasting yes?

You responded to this post by saying ....,
[ Quote Keras
Psalms 37:29 The righteous shall inherit the land and shall dwell therein forever.
Matthew 5:5 Blessed are the meek, for they shall inherit the earth. [holy Land]
Proved by how the Lord is known by His deeds, not by His presence, as yet. Ezekiel 39:28 and then Ezekiel 40:48 describes how we will have our own leaders, Jeremiah 30:21, Hosea 1:11, and how the people and the holy Land will be divided into 12, each called after a son of Jacob.
Also we Christians are present in the holy Land when the leader of the One World Govt, conquers us. Daniel 7:25 and Revelation 13:7

That this truth is new to most Christians, is because God wanted it that way. But now we are so close to when it will happen, a few will understand. Daniel 12:10 ]

You didnt address the point i was making in the quote you responded to.

Nevermind.

keras · Feb 15, 2021

jeffweedaman said:
You didnt address the point i was making in the quote you responded to.

Nevermind.

You said the idea of all the Christian peoples going to live in all of the holy Land, doesn't make sense to you.
I responded with scriptures that show that will happen and it will be everlasting, even during the 42 month period of 'beast' control. Revelation 13:5-8.

Yes; nevermind.
As it will only be after the Lord's terrible Day of fiery wrath, that most people will be able to understand. Isaiah 35:4-5, Isaiah 29:18 & 24, Matthew 11:25

mkgal1 · Feb 15, 2021

keras said:
That this truth is new to most Christians, is because God wanted it that way

But .....what about what's being shared in the OP and throughout this thread? Some people seem to be suggesting special enlightenment?

mkgal1 · Feb 15, 2021

keras said:
You said the idea of all the Christian peoples going to live in all of the holy Land, doesn't make sense to you.

That's not what I got from the post. The main issue was that our inheritance is everlasting. That's the point I concluded.

Jeffweedaman said = >>>We do not INHERIT A PRIZE that perishes at his coming a second time
His promises regarding inheritance are everlasting yes?<<<

jeffweedaman · Feb 15, 2021

mkgal1 said:
That's not what I got from the post. The main issue was that our inheritance is everlasting. That's the point I concluded.

Jeffweedaman said = >>>We do not INHERIT A PRIZE that perishes at his coming a second time
His promises regarding inheritance are everlasting yes?<<<

Thankyou mkgal1.

This is what Peter was looking for...,

2Pet 3
10 But the day of the Lord will come like a thief, in which the heavens will pass away with a roar and the elements will be destroyed with intense heat, and the earth and its works will be burned up.
11 Since all these things are to be destroyed in this way, what sort of people ought you to be in holy conduct and godliness, 12 looking for and hastening the coming of the day of God, because of which the heavens will be destroyed by burning, and the elements will melt with intense heat!

13 But according to His promise we are looking for new heavens and a new earth, in which righteousness dwells.

Nothing about a hope of returning to the land on this doomed old earth.

keras · Feb 15, 2021

mkgal1 said:
But .....what about what's being shared in the OP and throughout this thread? Some people seem to be suggesting special enlightenment?

The OP and posts #11 and #25, all make it clear that the holy Land is our destination and our great privilege to olive there in peace and prosperity.

It doesn't take 'special enlightenment'; just read and understand what the prophesies tell us will happen.

keras · Feb 15, 2021

jeffweedaman said:
2Pet 3
10 But the day of the Lord will come like a thief, in which the heavens will pass away with a roar and the elements will be destroyed with intense heat, and the earth and its works will be burned up.
11 Since all these things are to be destroyed in this way, what sort of people ought you to be in holy conduct and godliness, 12 looking for and hastening the coming of the day of God, because of which the heavens will be destroyed by burning, and the elements will melt with intense heat!

13 But according to His promise we are looking for new heavens and a new earth, in which righteousness dwells.

Nothing about a hope of returning to the land on this doomed old earth.

2 Peter 3:7 & 10 refer to the forthcoming terrible Day of the Lord's fiery wrath. Revelation 6:12-17
2 Peter 3:11-13 refer to the NH,NE which will come AFTER the Millennium. Revelation 21:1-7

The earth is not 'doomed', it remains forever. Eccl 1:4, Ephesians 3:21

Where do you get 'returning' from? We never leave Planet Earth and our destiny is to be with the Lord in Jerusalem and all of the holy Land.

The Great Second Exodus

His perfect way sets me free. 2 Samuel 22:33

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