What Sabbath did Moses keep?

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No one said Paul was stuttering. Paul is quoting old testament scripture *Hosea 2:11;

Did you actually read this verse in context; or did you just pull it out of some flawed commentary?

(CLV) Ho 2:11
And I will cause all her elation to cease, Her festival, her new moon, Her sabbath and her every appointed feast.

Do you not realize that Paul kept both the Shabbat and the Moedim?

I don't beleive that Paul was an adulterer.
 
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So you agree breaking God's 4th commandment of the 10 commandments is sin?

Do you believe the errant doctrine that sin is limited to transgression of the Decalogue?
 
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Brother, revealed is that the Sabbaths for the festivals and celebrations were kept from evening to evening, but the weekly Sabbath, while they had manna, was kept from morning to morning.

So do you believe that YHWH has multiple definitions of a day?
 
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Did you actually read this verse in context; or did you just pull it out of some flawed commentary?

(CLV) Ho 2:11
And I will cause all her elation to cease, Her festival, her new moon, Her sabbath and her every appointed feast.

Do you not realize that Paul kept both the Shabbat and the Moedim?

I don't beleive that Paul was an adulterer.

1 Corinthians 9:19-23
 
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1 Corinthians 9:19-23

I believe that we see an example of this in Acts 17 with the Athenians and their monument to the unknown god.

I don't believe that Paul was a hypocrite; and I don't believe that he was a false teacher when he instructed his disciples to keep Pesach.

(CLV) 1Co 5:8
so that we may be keeping the festival, not with old leaven, nor yet with the leaven of evil and wickedness, but with unleavened sincerity and truth.

(CLV) 1Co 5:8
so that we may be keeping the festival, not with old leaven, nor yet with the leaven of evil and wickedness, but with unleavened sincerity and truth.

It's disturbing when many take the verse that you cited, and apply it to breaking commandments that YHWH and Yahshua said would stand forever.
 
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So do you believe that YHWH has multiple definitions of a day?
Brother, God only has one definition of the day of the week: from morning to morning. The evening to evening in Israel is how you remember the morning to morning Eden-Sabbath in Israel's time zone. Shows what it means for God to make a "holy" time. Making Eden's seventh day "holy" sets the Sabbath in that time zone for everyone.

And God said, “Let there be light,” and there was light. God saw that the light was good, and he separated the light from the darkness. God called the light “day,” and the darkness he called “night.” And there was evening, and there was MORNING—the first day. (Genesis 1:3-5 NIV)​

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Brother, God only has one definition of the day of the week: from morning to morning. The evening to evening in Israel is how you remember the morning to morning Eden-Sabbath in Israel's time zone. Shows what it means for God to make a "holy" time. Making Eden's seventh day "holy" sets the Sabbath in that time zone for everyone.

Moses was never in Israel.
 
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Your response here...


So you agree breaking God's 4th commandment of the 10 commandments is sin? Well that is a great start. Now to the rest of your post. You do know we are living in the new covenant now right and that the Mosiac "shadow laws" for remission of sin are now fulfilled in Christ right and continued in the new covenant based on better promises ? - Hebrews 10:1-17

Thanks be to God! Whereas I was once in bondage to the Law and under its just condemnation I am now free from the Law through faith in Jesus Christ.
 
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Your response here...


So you agree breaking God's 4th commandment of the 10 commandments is sin? Well that is a great start. Now to the rest of your post. You do know we are living in the new covenant now right and that the Mosiac "shadow laws" for remission of sin are now fulfilled in Christ right and continued in the new covenant based on better promises ? - Hebrews 10:1-17

Sadly, it appears to me, as well as others here, that you are still under bondage, deceiving yourself into believing that because you obey (at least you think you obey) the TEN COMMANDMENTS you are pleasing to God when, in reality you under a law not of merely ten commandments, but over 600, most of which you are willfully and knowingly disobeying.
 
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Moses was never in Israel.
Brother, the focus is on the time zone of Israel, GMT+2. Compared to Eden's time zone, GMT-10, you get the half day count of 12 hours. 2 - (-10) = 12.

And God said, “Let there be light,” and there was light. God saw that the light was good, and he separated the light from the darkness. God called the light “day,” and the darkness he called “night.” And there was evening, and there was MORNING—the first day. (Genesis 1:3-5 NIV)​

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Brother, the focus is on the time zone of Israel, GMT+2. Compared to Eden's time zone, GMT-10, you get the half day count of 12 hours. 2 - (-10) = 12.

And God said, “Let there be light,” and there was light. God saw that the light was good, and he separated the light from the darkness. God called the light “day,” and the darkness he called “night.” And there was evening, and there was MORNING—the first day. (Genesis 1:3-5 NIV)​

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Please stop splitting hairs and address the OP.

The question of this thread is, "What Sabbath did Moses keep?" So, did Moses only keep Saturday as his Sabbath or did he also keep all of the Sabbaths which God had commanded him to keep?
 
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Please stop splitting hairs and address the OP. The question of this thread is, "What Sabbath did Moses keep?" So, did Moses only keep Saturday as his Sabbath or did he also keep all of the Sabbaths which God had commanded him to keep?
Brother, Moses kept every Sabbath. He kept a weekly Sabbath from "morning" to "morning" and not from "evening" to "evening", with the manna spoiling in the "morning", unless the next day is a Sabbath. God defined the days of the week from "morning" to "morning" and not from "evening" to "evening".

And God said, “Let there be light,” and there was light. God saw that the light was good, and he separated the light from the darkness. God called the light “day,” and the darkness he called “night.” And there was evening, and there was MORNING—the first day. (Genesis 1:3-5 NIV)​

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Sadly, it appears to me, as well as others here, that you are still under bondage, deceiving yourself into believing that because you obey (at least you think you obey) the TEN COMMANDMENTS you are pleasing to God when, in reality you under a law not of merely ten commandments, but over 600, most of which you are willfully and knowingly disobeying.

This might be where your confused. We are in bondage to sin not the law. That is why we need Gods salvation according to Jesus in Matthew 9:12-13. All the law does is to give us the knowledge of what sin is *Romans 3:20; Romans 7:7; 1 John 3:4, and leads us to Christ that we might be forgiven through faith *Galatians 3:22-25 and made free from sin in order to walk in God's Spirit *Galatians 5:16; Romans 8:1-4, therefore is holy, just and good according to Paul *Romans 7:12. The rest of your post is nonsense. As those who have been born again to love do not practice sin *1 John 3:6-9. Those who practice sin defined in the scriptures as breaking anyone of God's 10 commandments or not believing and following God's Word *1 John 3:4; James 2:10-11 have not seen him or known him according to 1 John 2:3-4 and 1 John 3:9-10. According to the scriptures we are saved by grace through faith and not of ourselves it is a gift of God and not of works lest any man should boast *Ephesians 2:8-9 but Gods grace is so we can be obedient to the faith *Romans 1:5. Obedience to God's Law is not how we are saved it is the FRUIT faith of one that is already been given Gods promise of salvation and the fruit of God's work in us *Philippians 2:13 as we believe and follow his word *John 10:26-27. If our faith has no fruit it is dead *James 2:18-20; 26 and our tree will be cast down and thrown into the fire *Matthew 3:10; 7:19-20; 13:49-50; Hebrews 10:26-27. Therefore we do not abolish God's law through faith like some people teach but God's law is established in the heart by faith that works by love *Romans 3:31; 1 John 5:3-4; Romans 13:8-10. According to the scriptures, sin (breaking God' commandments and not believing and following God's Word) is the difference between the children of God and the children of the devil *1 John 3:6-10; 1 John 2:3-4; Revelation 12:17; Revelation 14:12; Revelation 22:14.

Hope this helps...
 
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Brother, Moses kept every Sabbath. He kept a weekly Sabbath from "morning" to "morning" and not from "evening" to "evening", with the manna spoiling in the "morning", unless the next day is a Sabbath. God defined the days of the week from "morning" to "morning" and not from "evening" to "evening".

And God said, “Let there be light,” and there was light. God saw that the light was good, and he separated the light from the darkness. God called the light “day,” and the darkness he called “night.” And there was evening, and there was MORNING—the first day. (Genesis 1:3-5 NIV)​

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He also kept all of the Feasts of Jehovah with their respective Sabbaths. In the wilderness do you think the Israelites kept the sabbatical year or the year of Jubilee, given the fact that they did not possess any land at that time nor did they cultivate the land?
 
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Brother, God only has one definition of the day of the week: from morning to morning. The evening to evening in Israel is how you remember the morning to morning Eden-Sabbath in Israel's time zone. Shows what it means for God to make a "holy" time. Making Eden's seventh day "holy" sets the Sabbath in that time zone for everyone.

Again Moses was never in Israel; so he could see what the sun was doing in Israel; and there were no time zones in his day. That is a fabrication of man, after man decided to divide the day into 24 hour increments. YHWH gave us a sign; and it wasn't a wristwatch. It's called the sun. Sunrise does not evenly sync to a 24 hour cycle in Israel, through out the year; not does it in most of the rest of the world. You have the advantage of a powerful computer to calculate this; yet you couldn't calculate what time the sun rises in Maiao Iti. The time interval between sunrise in Maiao Iti and in Cairo, changes every day.

I suspect that Moses calculated when the day begins, just like scripture tells us, when the sun sets.

You really have presented a captivating story though. Have you considered becoming a fiction writer? Most people don't have the imagination to make this stuff up.
 
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That is a fabrication of man, after man decided to divide the day into 24 hour increments.
Brother, it was the most practical thing to do. The number of finger joints on each hand, excluding the thumb, allows the thumb to count to 12. We have two hands to separate day and night for a total of 24 hours.

Jesus answered, "Are there not twelve hours of daylight? Anyone who walks in the daytime will not stumble, for they see by this world's light. (John 11:9 NIV)​

I suspect that Moses calculated when the day begins, just like scripture tells us, when the sun sets.
Your statement shows outside of the bible imagination that totally ignores what revealed is in the manna story. Instead of forcing a simplification by inventing a first day that ends in an "evening" when God wrote "morning", you should have trusted that God capped the end of the first day in a "morning".

And God said, “Let there be light,” and there was light. God saw that the light was good, and he separated the light from the darkness. God called the light “day,” and the darkness he called “night.” And there was evening, and there was MORNING—the first day. (Genesis 1:3-5 NIV)​

You really have presented a captivating story though. Have you considered becoming a fiction writer? Most people don't have the imagination to make this stuff up.
Statistically impossible that I could have imagined this with the amount of supporting evidence available. I assume that everyone's difficulty with the revealed description of the Sabbath is in this following passage.

For my thoughts are not your thoughts, neither are your ways my ways,” declares the Lord. “As the heavens are higher than the earth, so are my ways higher than your ways and my thoughts than your thoughts. (Isaiah 55:8-9 NIV)​

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