Is the mark of the beast going to be about the papacy changing the day of the Sabbath?

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How do you know Jesus didn’t change it???

The word of God would have said it was so. Just as he said the sabbath was his holy day, and he told us that he sanctified it and set it apart in Genesis 2:1-3, he would have made the same statement about a change.
 
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The word of God would have said it was so. Just as he said the sabbath was his holy day, and he told us that he sanctified it and set it apart in Genesis 2:1-3, he would have made the same statement about a change.

Christ's resurrection from the dead is not a big enough statement?
 
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The word of God would have said it was so. Just as he said the sabbath was his holy day, and he told us that he sanctified it and set it apart in Genesis 2:1-3, he would have made the same statement about a change.
You're presuming something-based on personal opinion- that Scripture is meant to serve as some sort of exhaustive catechism, which it is not. The gospel was given to the disciples, to Christ's church, who understood and explained it to all who would listen and follow before a word of the New Testament was written, the same New Testament that tells us that not everything was written-and to hold on to those teachings both written and unwritten.
 
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Christ's resurrection from the dead is not a big enough statement?

God is not the author of confusion. Christ's resurrection is the reason we have everlasting life. Jesus never changed the 10 commandments though. We must err on the side of caution. I need a thus saith the Lord in all matters pertaining to doctrine and worship.
 
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You're presuming something-based on personal opinion- that Scripture is meant to serve as some sort of exhaustive catechism, which it is not. The gospel was given to the disciples, to Christ's church, who understood and explained it to all who would listen and follow before a word of the New Testament was written, the same New Testament that tells us that not everything was written-and to hold on to those teachings both written and unwritten.

2 Timothy 3:16-17
[16]All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:
[17]That the man of God may be perfect, throughly furnished unto all good works.

When men disagree on doctrine such as the sabbath vs sunday issue, we have to go to the word of God. It is the only standard of truth. God even commands us to try the spirits:

1 John 4:1
[1]Beloved, believe not every spirit, but try the spirits whether they are of God: because many false prophets are gone out into the world.

Isaiah 8:20
[20]To the law and to the testimony: if they speak not according to this word, it is because there is no light in them.
 
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But Christ's resurrection is the reason why we worship on Sunday.

I understand that my friend but the word of God has no such command for it. The Lord instituted the Passover and Feast of Firstfruits to commemorate his death and resurrection. Those types met the antitype in Christ. Those feast days pointed to Christ.

God even prophesied that man would "think" to change his times and laws:

Daniel 7:25
[25]And he shall speak great words against the most High, and shall wear out the saints of the most High, and think to change times and laws: and they shall be given into his hand until a time and times and the dividing of time.

But that is a big no-no in his eyes. Take a look at this story in the bible:

1 Kings 12:26-33
[26]And Jeroboam said in his heart, Now shall the kingdom return to the house of David:
[27]If this people go up to do sacrifice in the house of the LORD at Jerusalem, then shall the heart of this people turn again unto their lord, even unto Rehoboam king of Judah, and they shall kill me, and go again to Rehoboam king of Judah.
[28]Whereupon the king took counsel, and made two calves of gold, and said unto them, It is too much for you to go up to Jerusalem: behold thy gods, O Israel, which brought thee up out of the land of Egypt.
[29]And he set the one in Bethel, and the other put he in Dan.
[30]And this thing became a sin: for the people went to worship before the one, even unto Dan.
[31]And he made an house of high places, and made priests of the lowest of the people, which were not of the sons of Levi.
[32]And Jeroboam ordained a feast in the eighth month, on the fifteenth day of the month, like unto the feast that is in Judah, and he offered upon the altar. So did he in Bethel, sacrificing unto the calves that he had made: and he placed in Bethel the priests of the high places which he had made.
[33]So he offered upon the altar which he had made in Bethel the fifteenth day of the eighth month, even in the month which he had devised of his own heart; and ordained a feast unto the children of Israel: and he offered upon the altar, and burnt incense.

This is exactly what man has done to God's holy day. Without any scriptural authority, we have built a foundation on sand. We must trust in the word of God and cleave to it.
 
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Jesus Christ founded one Church, said it was to remain one, and promised that one Church "The Holy Spirit will guide you into all truth", and "Whatsoever you bind upon Earth is bound in Heaven", and "He who hears you hears Me". Anyone who reads the Bible should know this. His Church changed the day of worship from Saturday to Sunday because they rightly believed it was more fitting to come together for worship on the day of Jesus Christ's glorious Resurrection, than on the day He lay dead in the tomb.
 
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Jesus Christ founded one Church, said it was to remain one, and promised that one Church "The Holy Spirit will guide you into all truth", and "Whatsoever you bind upon Earth is bound in Heaven", and "He who hears you hears Me". Anyone who reads the Bible should know this. His Church changed the day of worship from Saturday to Sunday because they rightly believed it was more fitting to come together for worship on the day of Jesus Christ's glorious Resurrection, than on the day He lay dead in the tomb.

The Lord's church is the body of believers in whom his Spirit dwells. His church members have their names written in heaven:

Hebrews 12:22-24
[22]But ye are come unto mount Sion, and unto the city of the living God, the heavenly Jerusalem, and to an innumerable company of angels,
[23]To the general assembly and church of the firstborn, which are written in heaven, and to God the Judge of all, and to the spirits of just men made perfect,
[24]And to Jesus the mediator of the new covenant, and to the blood of sprinkling, that speaketh better things than that of Abel.

Acts 2:47
[47]Praising God, and having favour with all the people. And the Lord added to the church daily such as should be saved.

We are to lead others to Christ and to exhort and uplift each other, but only God writes our names in the book of life or not. Only God can change a holy day because it is he that is holy. Man can only instruct others in what is written, not change what is written.

Deuteronomy 12:32
[32]What thing soever I command you, observe to do it: thou shalt not add thereto, nor diminish from it.
 
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2 Timothy 3:16-17
[16]All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:
[17]That the man of God may be perfect, throughly furnished unto all good works.

When men disagree on doctrine such as the sabbath vs sunday issue, we have to go to the word of God. It is the only standard of truth. God even commands us to try the spirits:

1 John 4:1
[1]Beloved, believe not every spirit, but try the spirits whether they are of God: because many false prophets are gone out into the world.

Isaiah 8:20
[20]To the law and to the testimony: if they speak not according to this word, it is because there is no light in them.
Well, Paul was speaking of the Old Testament there but either way we all should agree that Scripture is awesome and beneficial for understanding the faith-but not apart from the guidance of the church which is why the Bereans could never understand the gospel based solely on the writings that Paul was referring to without his help, nor could the Ethiopian Eunuch understand the prophecies, etc, of the OT without Philip.

So, the church understood and practiced the "new way" since earliest times and that's why we have the primary focus being on Sunday in writings of early fathers. And that, my friend, is why Tradition can be so important, the church tradition that also assembled the canon of our New Testament (I know, you would've recognized the inspiration/canonicity of those writings on your own, if they still even existed without the church), and hammered out the doctrine of the Trinity (not at all so obvious from Scripture alone, but...) as opposed to the speculations, let alone the accusations, of some latter day "prophets" even if not unreasonable in content at first glance. But Jesus simply didn't dance to anyone else's tune-and the sabbath, in fact, was one area where He demonstrated that very truth.
 
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Consider what the one thing Satan could try to get away with ..if he had authority of the pope. Without too many people noticing.
And what might that be? Certainly not Sunday worship-which would've been an obvious change.
 
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2 Timothy 3:16-17
[16]All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:
[17]That the man of God may be perfect, throughly furnished unto all good works.

When men disagree on doctrine such as the sabbath vs sunday issue, we have to go to the word of God. It is the only standard of truth. God even commands us to try the spirits:

1 John 4:1
[1]Beloved, believe not every spirit, but try the spirits whether they are of God: because many false prophets are gone out into the world.

Isaiah 8:20
[20]To the law and to the testimony: if they speak not according to this word, it is because there is no light in them.
"All" scripture, God did not say "only" Scripture. People interpret Scripture quite differently.
 
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Accepting any mark on the hand or forehead in order to be able to purchase items. If there’s ever a mark on the hand or forehead that we must have to purchase items then I will most definitely refuse it.


What is the mark the mark are talking about a zit, a burn, a birth mark?

Share with us your understanding so we can avoid it also.
Yes, the RCC, for its part, recognizes valid "Churchhood" in the EO, both having the same origins and histories to begin with, both having apostolic succession by any other name, both sharing virtually identical theology or doctrines on the most basic issues of our faith. And so, naturally, both sharing the same lived experience- or "Tradition"- involving the early focus on Sunday worship.


Thanks for providing the history.
 
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Vicarius Filii Dei ..the substitution of the Son of God? The nerve of the papacy to give this title to the pope.

They used their authority to change God's Holy Day to the first day of the week? Who thought this was a good idea?

Saturday is God's Devine signature of Creation. It doesn't say anywhere in the Bible we can modify the Ten Commandments.

Isaiah 58:13
If you turn away your foot from the Sabbath, from doing your pleasure on My holy day, and call the Sabbath a delight, the holy day of the LORD honorable, and shall honor Him, not doing your own ways, nor finding your own pleasure, nor speaking your own words, B3 14 then you shall delight yourself in the LORD;

The papacy that started in Rome did not have Peter sitting in the seat. Anyone can claim Peter as the first of their own organization. It's just another trick.

The little horn on the first beast ends up being the papacy.

If the mark of the beast is changing the sabbath to sunday, then only the SDA cult is saved lol
 
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If the mark of the beast is changing the sabbath to sunday, then only the SDA cult is saved lol


Matthew 7:13-14
Enter ye in at the strait gate: for wide is the gate, and broad is the way, that leadeth to destruction, and many there be which go in thereat: Because strait is the gate, and narrow is the way, which leadeth unto life, and few there be that find it.
 
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Matthew 7:13-14
Enter ye in at the strait gate: for wide is the gate, and broad is the way, that leadeth to destruction, and many there be which go in thereat: Because strait is the gate, and narrow is the way, which leadeth unto life, and few there be that find it.
This is your big proof?
Matthew 7:13-14
Enter ye in at the strait gate: for wide is the gate, and broad is the way, that leadeth to destruction, and many there be which go in thereat: Because strait is the gate, and narrow is the way, which leadeth unto life, and few there be that find it.
yeah, this has nothing to do with the SDA cult. Just a heads up. SDA is tritheistic. Not trinitarian.
Tritheistic trinity - The "trinity" is comprised of three distinct divine “persons” but they understand “persons” as individual Beings; who all have same power, same nature, purpose, etc. Because they are in agreement in everything they do, they are said to be “one God,” not that all three make up a single Being (Majority of Seventh-day Adventist trinitarians would fall under this category).
 
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Well, Paul was speaking of the Old Testament there but either way we all should agree that Scripture is awesome and beneficial for understanding the faith-but not apart from the guidance of the church which is why the Bereans could never understand the gospel based solely on the writings that Paul was referring to without his help, nor could the Ethiopian Eunuch understand the prophecies, etc, of the OT without Philip.

So, the church understood and practiced the "new way" since earliest times and that's why we have the primary focus being on Sunday in writings of early fathers. And that, my friend, is why Tradition can be so important, the church tradition that also assembled the canon of our New Testament (I know, you would've recognized the inspiration/canonicity of those writings on your own, if they still even existed without the church), and hammered out the doctrine of the Trinity (not at all so obvious from Scripture alone, but...) as opposed to the speculations, let alone the accusations, of some latter day "prophets" even if not unreasonable in content at first glance. But Jesus simply didn't dance to anyone else's tune-and the sabbath, in fact, was one area where He demonstrated that very truth.

The old testament was the only guide of truth for the Bereans when testing to see if what Paul was speaking was true. The errors of the early church came in after the apostles died. This is why Sunday crept in but it has never been about God but that of sun worship.

Traditions will never replace the authority of the word of God. The same way the spirit of God moved upon the prophets and apostles to write the scriptures, is the same way he moved upon those men to give us this collection of writings called the bible.

A plain "Thus saith the Lord" is all we need.
 
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