Why Am I Eating a Pork Chop?

LoveGodsWord said:

Who says it is just referring to Gentiles eating swines flesh? Although as Jesus says "Not every one that said to me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that does the will of my Father which is in heaven. For many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in your name? and in your name have cast out devils? and in your name done many wonderful works? And then will I profess to them, I never knew you: depart from me, you that work iniquity.

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So then your suggesting that it might be the Jews who were commanded not to eat swine and disobeyed who will be the ones to bring the obedient Jews back to repentance? I’m finding it hard to see how this interpretation supports your position any better than my original interpretation did. Either way those who are eating pork will be the ones to bring the Jews back to repentance. It appears that you merely quoted a verse which appeared to condemn eating pork but didn’t take into consideration the context of that verse where those who eat pork will be the ones to bring the Jews back to repentance and not only that but some will become priests & Levites. So your point of view here has seriously diminished if those who are eating pork are being elevated above those who don’t. And you claimed that I’m the one stumbling over the scriptures?

Romans 9 has perfectly good explanations as to why this has been decreed.

“as He also says in Hosea: “I WILL CALL THOSE WHO WERE NOT MY PEOPLE, ‘MY PEOPLE,’ AND HER WHO WAS NOT BELOVED, ‘ BELOVED.’ ” “AND IT SHALL BE THAT IN THE PLACE WHERE IT WAS SAID TO THEM, ‘ YOU ARE NOT MY PEOPLE,’ THERE THEY SHALL BE CALLED SONS OF THE LIVING GOD.” Isaiah cries out concerning Israel, “THOUGH THE NUMBER OF THE SONS OF ISRAEL MAY BE LIKE THE SAND OF THE SEA, ONLY THE REMNANT WILL BE SAVED; FOR THE LORD WILL EXECUTE H IS WORD ON THE EARTH, THOROUGHLY AND QUICKLY.” And just as Isaiah foretold: “IF THE LORD OF ARMIES HAD NOT LEFT US DESCENDANTS, WE WOULD HAVE BECOME LIKE SODOM, AND WOULD HAVE BEEN LIKE GOMORRAH.” What shall we say then? That Gentiles, who did not pursue righteousness, attained righteousness, but the righteousness that is by faith; however, Israel, pursuing a law of righteousness, did not arrive at that law. Why? Because they did not pursue it by faith, but as though they could by works. They stumbled over the stumbling stone, just as it is written: “BEHOLD, I AM LAYING IN Z ION A STONE OF STUMBLING AND A ROCK OF OFFENSE, AND THE ONE WHO BELIEVES IN HIM WILL NOT BE PUT TO SHAME.””
‭‭Romans‬ ‭9:25-33‬ ‭NASB2020‬‬

Right now your stumbling over a pork chop.

LoveGodsWord said:

Sure it is how it reads. In fact it is exactly how it reads as I only quoted directly from the scriptures. Your isolating a single section of the scripture from it's context to try and read into the scripture what it is saying without the context it is surrounded by...

As posted earlier read the whole scripture and context together it is not saying what you are suggesting...

1 Timothy 4:3-5 [3], Forbidding to marry, and commanding to abstain from meats, which God has created to be received with thanksgiving OF THEM THAT BELIEVE AND KNOW THE TRUTH. [4], For every creature of God is good, and nothing to be refused, if it be received with thanksgiving: [5], FOR IT IS SANCTIFIED BY THE WORD OF GOD AND PRAYER.

This scripture links to...

John 17:17 SANCTIFY THEM THROUGH THE TRUTH THY WORD IS TRUTH...

It is God's Word and following God's Word that is truth that santification comes from accoring to these scriptures. So it is through the Word of God that we are told in 1 Timothy 4:3-5 that all food created by God is to be received in thanks giving to those who know the truth for it is sanctified by the Word of God. That is, God has told us what foods are clean to eat and unclean to eat through the Word of God! (see Leviticus 11:1-47 and Deuteronomy 14:1-29 where God tells us what foods he has created to be received with thanks giving and those that are not to be eaten).

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Ok what you are telling me is that pork must be refused even if it is received with gratitude. Verse 5 doesn’t say that it is only sanctified by the word of God. It also says it is sanctified by prayer. That verse is not linked to John 17. Just because it has the term “sanctify them” doesn’t make these two discussions linked. John 17 says absolutely nothing about this situation in the entire chapter. The bottom line here is your telling me that I must refuse pork and the word of God is telling me that I don’t have to refuse it if I give prayers of thanksgiving for it. So right now your two for two on improper scriptural discernment.

Religiot said:

Well, no. This is what it actually says:

"Every moving thing that liveth shall be meat for you; even as the green herb have I given you all things." --Genesis 9:3

ONLY CERTAIN KINDS OF PLANTS ARE TO BE EATEN BY MAN

"And God said, Behold, I have given you every herb bearing seed, which is upon the face of all the earth, and every tree, in the which is the fruit of a tree yielding seed; to you it shall be for meat." --Genesis 1:29

BUT EVERY GREEN PLANT IS TO BE EATEN BY ANIMALS

"And to every beast of the earth, and to every fowl of the air, and to every thing that creepeth upon the earth, wherein there is life, I have given every green herb for meat: and it was so." --Genesis 1:30

ONLY CERTAIN KINDS OF ANIMALS ARE CLEAN

"Of every clean beast thou shalt take to thee by sevens, the male and his female: and of beasts that are not clean by two, the male and his female." --Genesis 7:2

NOAH SACRIFICED ONLY THE CLEAN ANIMALS

"And Noah builded an altar unto the Lord; and took of every clean beast, and of every clean fowl, and offered burnt offerings on the altar." --Genesis 8:20

ONLY AFTER THE CLEAN ANIMALS WERE ROASTED DID GOD COMMAND NOAH EAT FLESH LIKE HE DID THE GREEN HERBS--BY THE PRESCRIPTION OF GOD

"And Noah builded an altar unto the Lord; and took of every clean beast, and of every clean fowl, and offered burnt offerings on the altar. And the Lord smelled a sweet savour; and the Lord said in his heart, I will not again curse the ground any more for man's sake; for the imagination of man's heart is evil from his youth; neither will I again smite any more every thing living, as I have done. While the earth remaineth, seedtime and harvest, and cold and heat, and summer and winter, and day and night shall not cease. And God blessed Noah and his sons, and said unto them, Be fruitful, and multiply, and replenish the earth. And the fear of you and the dread of you shall be upon every beast of the earth, and upon every fowl of the air, upon all that moveth upon the earth, and upon all the fishes of the sea; into your hand are they delivered. Every moving thing that liveth shall be meat for you; even as the green herb have I given you all things. But flesh with the life thereof, which is the blood thereof, shall ye not eat." --Genesis 8:20-9:4

Therefore, not all plants are consumable, according to God, nor all animals, but only that which God has deemed as food can be consumed, period.

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You haven’t shown anywhere that any animals were forbidden for Noah to eat. You’ve only shown that he was not to eat blood.

Religiot said:

Yes, but let's see if you do!

Here it is, in context:

"Every moving thing that liveth shall be meat for you; even as the green herb have I given you all things." --Genesis 9:3

ONLY CERTAIN KINDS OF PLANTS ARE TO BE EATEN BY MAN

"And God said, Behold, I have given you every herb bearing seed, which is upon the face of all the earth, and every tree, in the which is the fruit of a tree yielding seed; to you it shall be for meat." --Genesis 1:29

BUT EVERY GREEN PLANT IS TO BE EATEN BY ANIMALS

"And to every beast of the earth, and to every fowl of the air, and to every thing that creepeth upon the earth, wherein there is life, I have given every green herb for meat: and it was so." --Genesis 1:30

ONLY CERTAIN KINDS OF ANIMALS ARE CLEAN

"Of every clean beast thou shalt take to thee by sevens, the male and his female: and of beasts that are not clean by two, the male and his female." --Genesis 7:2

NOAH SACRIFICED ONLY THE CLEAN ANIMALS

"And Noah builded an altar unto the Lord; and took of every clean beast, and of every clean fowl, and offered burnt offerings on the altar." --Genesis 8:20

ONLY AFTER THE CLEAN ANIMALS WERE ROASTED DID GOD COMMAND NOAH EAT FLESH LIKE HE DID THE GREEN HERBS--BY THE PRESCRIPTION OF GOD

"And Noah builded an altar unto the Lord; and took of every clean beast, and of every clean fowl, and offered burnt offerings on the altar. And the Lord smelled a sweet savour; and the Lord said in his heart, I will not again curse the ground any more for man's sake; for the imagination of man's heart is evil from his youth; neither will I again smite any more every thing living, as I have done. While the earth remaineth, seedtime and harvest, and cold and heat, and summer and winter, and day and night shall not cease. And God blessed Noah and his sons, and said unto them, Be fruitful, and multiply, and replenish the earth. And the fear of you and the dread of you shall be upon every beast of the earth, and upon every fowl of the air, upon all that moveth upon the earth, and upon all the fishes of the sea; into your hand are they delivered. Every moving thing that liveth shall be meat for you; even as the green herb have I given you all things. But flesh with the life thereof, which is the blood thereof, shall ye not eat." --Genesis 8:20-9:4

Therefore, not all plants are consumable, according to God, nor all animals, but only that which God has deemed as food can be consumed, period.

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You do realize that Genesis 9 comes after Genesis 1,7,& 8 right? Genesis 9:3 God has removed all restrictions.

“The fear of you and the terror of you will be on every animal of the earth and on every bird of the sky; on everything that crawls on the ground, and on all the fish of the sea. They are handed over to you. Every moving thing that is alive shall be food for you; I have given everything to you, as I gave the green plant.”
‭‭Genesis‬ ‭9:2-3‬ ‭NASB2020‬‬

LoveGodsWord said:

It is God's Word in the new covenant that shows that God's 10 commandments are the standard of good (moral right doing) and evil (moral wrong doing); sin and righteousness according to the scriptures in Romans 3:20; Romans 7:7; 1 John 3:4; Psalms 119:172. According to James if we break anyone of them we stand guilty before God of sin in James 2:10-11 and Paul goes on to say if we continue in known unrepentant sin after receiving a knowledge of the truth there remains no more sacrifice for sin but a fearful looking forward to of the judgement to come in Hebrews 10:26-31. The purpose of God's law in the new covenant is to give us the knowledge of what sin is and to lead us to Christ that we might be forgiven through faith and be made free from our sin and born in the Spirit to believe and follow God's Word *Galatians 3:22-25; Galatians 5:16; Romans 8:1-4; 1 John 3:6-9; John 10:26-27. God's 4th commandment is one of God's 10 commandments that give us the knowledge of what sin is when broken. There is not one scripture in all of God's Word that says Gods' 4th commandment has been abolished and we are now commanded to keep Sunday as a Holy day of rest. Sunday is a man-made teaching and tradition that is not biblical according to the scriptures that has led many to break Gods 4th commandment. Jesus says in His own words that if we follow man-made teachings and traditions that break the commandments of God we are not worshiping God in Matthew 15:3-9.

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Actually, what I wrote is true. The many responses from various SDA posters here have been virtually unanimous in affirming that God requires people to keep the TEN COMMANDMENTS only. All of the other commandments are merely optional, according to them.

I will ask you once again. Do you obey all of God's Sabbath commandments?

Religiot said:

Was the consensus of the council wrong in Acts 15, when they adjudged an emergency mandate to Gentile believers, that they immediately abstain from meats offered to idols, from blood, and from things strangled?

Were they wrong in concerning themselves with what the Gentiles were eating?

Out of all the emergency mandates, they focused 80% of what they wanted the Gentiles to immediately know, on what the Gentiles were eating, mentioning fornication last...

Not only were they exceedingly concerned with rushing those requirements to new Gentile believers, but justified not enumerating all God said about food, saying, "For Moses of old time hath in every city them that preach him, being read in the synagogues every sabbath day." --Acts 15:21

Not only was their judgment righteous because it was based solely on God's laws, but the irony that it was so focused on what they ate shows, beyond any doubt, that what is being said here in this thread, by many, is a perfect misunderstanding of what the Lord said.

The Lord was talking about sin originating in the heart; therefore, to consume anything, that you believe is contrary to God's will, is sin, regardless of what it actually is that you are consuming; for the sin occurs in the heart.

Simple example, for clarity:

If I eat apples, believing that God doesn't want me to eat apples, yet in rebellion, I eat them presumptuously, then I am sinning, even tho apples are sanctified by the word of God, my consuming them is sin, for I'm eating them in rebellion.

"Therefore to him that knoweth to do good, and doeth it not, to him it is sin." --James 4:17

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So show where the church leaders said no pig, no camel or deer, or eel, or lobster. or clams or mussels or shrimp or crab, or crayfish, or scallops, or pigeons, or bats, or worms etc.etc.

Things strangled and blood refer to teh same thing- don't eat blood. Things strangled were not bled properly so you would eat blood if cooked without proper bleeding!

Paul negated refraining from eating meats offered to idols (lots of the cooked meats in the shambles was just that) when he said to eat it without asking questions, for the earth is the Lords and the fulness there of! But if someone told you it was offered to idols, not to eat-for the other persons conscience!

nolidad said:

So show where the church leaders said no pig, no camel or deer, or eel, or lobster. or clams or mussels or shrimp or crab, or crayfish, or scallops, or pigeons, or bats, or worms etc.etc.

Things strangled and blood refer to teh same thing- don't eat blood. Things strangled were not bled properly so you would eat blood if cooked without proper bleeding!

Paul negated refraining from eating meats offered to idols (lots of the cooked meats in the shambles was just that) when he said to eat it without asking questions, for the earth is the Lords and the fulness there of! But if someone told you it was offered to idols, not to eat-for the other persons conscience!

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Which of the TEN COMMANDMENTS addresses the dietary law? As I stated earlier in this thread I have been informed by many SDA posters here at CF that God only requires obedience to the TEN COMMANDMENTS and to no other commandments in the Old or New Testaments.

Why Am I Eating a Pork Chop?

because your not in bondage to Leviticus 11 and now a child of Christ's new covenant, Matthew 15:11

Strong in Him said:

You really believe that that would have included breaking God's commands?
And that one day Paul will say to God, "I broke your law and disobeyed, but hey; I got people to believe in you"?

The same Holy Spirit who inspired the letter at the council of Jerusalem, was also with Paul, convicted him of sin, prevented him from doing things, Acts of the Apostles 16:7 and generally guided him in his life.
And yet Paul wrote that an idol meant nothing and that, as long as they didn't hurt the faith of anyone else, they were free to eat meat offered to it.

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I did not say it...Paul did

bbbbbbb said:

Which of the TEN COMMANDMENTS addresses the dietary law? As I stated earlier in this thread I have been informed by many SDA posters here at CF that God only requires obedience to the TEN COMMANDMENTS and to no other commandments in the Old or New Testaments.

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Based on what I just read, the Adventist church itself only discorages its members from consuming that which it considers unhealthy.

However there's been some in this thread who have been contending their own personal beliefs regarding interpretation of scripture and legalism.

Since at least a couple of them have SDA in their profile, it became confusing regarding how much of what they were posting reflected the writings of Ellen G. White and SDA doctrine and how much was their own personal view.

I do not eat pork.

Rebekah Shafer said:

I do not eat pork.

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Hi Rebekah Shafer, welcome!

You'll find a lot of people here that agree with you on that food choice, and many people that don't. My challenge is to try to always remember that it's all about edifying the other person.

I hope you enjoy the forums!

Hanging by a Thread said:

It clearly states in Deuteronomy 14:8 that we’re not to eat pork.

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23All things are lawful for me, but all things are not expedient: all things are lawful for me, but all things edify not.
24Let no man seek his own, but every man another's wealth.
25Whatsoever is sold in the shambles, that eat, asking no question for conscience sake:
26For the earth is the Lord's, and the fulness thereof.
27If any of them that believe not bid you to a feast, and ye be disposed to go; whatsoever is set before you, eat, asking no question for conscience sake.

We're not under the Law.

.Mikha'el. said:

The question remains. If you know it's forbidden in Scripture, why are you doing it anyway?

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25Whatsoever is sold in the shambles, that eat, asking no question for conscience sake:
26For the earth is the Lord's, and the fulness thereof.

imge said:

So Jesus wants us to eat Bats, which is how Covid started?

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No, He wants you to eat cows and get E. Coli, or chickens and get salmonella.

Hanging by a Thread said:

Sez who?
So the ten commandments are no more?

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Except for making graven images (i.e., taking pictures) or going to Walmart on Saturday.

imge said:

Not really. We are in a global pandemic which started by eating an unclean animal.

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Yeah, that virology lab in Wuhan had nothing to do with it.

MMXX said:

Based on what I just read, the Adventist church itself only discorages its members from consuming that which it considers unhealthy.

However there's been some in this thread who have been contending their own personal beliefs regarding interpretation of scripture and legalism.

Since at least a couple of them have SDA in their profile, it became confusing regarding how much of what they were posting reflected the writings of Ellen G. White and SDA doctrine and how much was their own personal view.

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I agree. It can become quite confusing, not only for non-SDA, but for SDA folks who have had this legalism rammed down their throats (pardon my play on words) from their church members and leaders.

Jipsah said:

Yeah, that virology lab in Wuhan had nothing to do with it.

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Hanging by a Thread said:

Thanks for the reply, Hammster
So God changed his mind on this one? And Jesus was talking about eating with unwashed hands in your reference. Don't know that he actually declared all foods clean.

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"Arise, Peter, kill and eat..."