Why Am I Eating a Pork Chop?

Carl Emerson said:

Study Bible
Warnings against False Teachers
2 Tim 4
…2influenced by the hypocrisy of liars, whose consciences are seared with a hot iron. 3They will prohibit marriage and require abstinence from certain foods that God has created to be received with thanksgiving by those who believe and know the truth. 4For every creation of God is good, and nothing that is received with thanksgiving should be rejected,…

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You've quoted the passage incompletely, and also cited it incorrectly...

Here it is, below, quoted completely, and cited correctly, and from an ancient trust-worthy translation:

"Now the Spirit speaketh expressly, that in the latter times some shall depart from the faith, giving heed to seducing spirits, and doctrines of devils; speaking lies in hypocrisy; having their conscience seared with a hot iron; forbidding to marry, and commanding to abstain from meats, which God hath created to be received with thanksgiving of them which believe and know the truth. For every creature of God is good, and nothing to be refused, if it be received with thanksgiving: for it is sanctified by the word of God and prayer." --1 Timothy 4:1-5

God not only sanctified (set aside) what we should eat back in Genesis, but He also sanctified the seventh day of the week among other things; all for us, for our benefit and well being. He does the same for us now, by His same eternal word. Amen.

PS: Quoting scripture incompletely, and from modern bibles, on matters of grave importance, is always severely problematic, and leads to strange doctrines that immediately contradict the Doctrine of Christ.

PS PS: Still waiting on you to get back to me--I look forward to it, truly.

Thanks in advance.

LoveGodsWord said:

Indeed because your not able to address the scriptures with me. So is your view now why not talk about anything else but scripture? Let me know when you want to discuss the scriptures? You seem to want to spend all your time not talking about scripture and discussing EGW from what I am reading in your posts. If you have scripture address my posts to you. If not then I guess there is no point in continuing as I am only interested in discussing God's Word because only God's Word is true and we should believe and follow them over the teachings and traditions of men that break the commandments of God according to Jesus in Mark 7:1-20 which is from the same scriptures we have been discussing here of late.

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You're only able/willing to view scripture though Ellen G. White's lenses. That's what happens when you become indoctrinated into and totally devoted to a denomination. You can't accept anything other than what its doctrine teaches and still remain loyal to it.

ChristianForCats said:

Scripture also prohibits eating aquatic animals in the same chapter, but Jesus served fish to 5,000 people during his ministry. If the dietary laws in Leviticus and Deuteronomy were still in effect for everyone, that miracle (which began with three fish) would not have happened. So clearly the dietary laws changed.

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Perhaps someone else has already responded to this post, but if not, please know that what you've said is completely wrong; and is a view not held by any denomination that I know of, and I know many.

I strongly recommend that you consider, that the implications alone, of what you claim, would mean, that the Lord not only sinned, but was the cause of many others also sinning--for sin is the transgression of the law--and died a law breaker, instead of the only person to ever keep it perfectly, etc.

Just ask around, and you'll find what I'm saying to be true.

--Happy hunting.

The Liturgist said:

That was precisely the point our Lord was making in Mark 7, when he brushed aside the Kosher dietary restrictions.

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What part of Mark 7 are you referring to?

MMXX said:

You're only able/willing to view scripture though Ellen G. White's lenses. That's what happens when you become indoctrinated into and totally devoted to a denomination. You can't accept anything other than what its doctrine teaches and still remain loyal to it.

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Nonsense, your not being honest. I have posted nothing about EGW. That is all your doing due to your refusal to discuss the scriptures with me. Of course you are free to believe as you wish. Lets talk more when you have scripture to share until then we will agree to disagree.

mama2one said:

Mark 7:19

because it goeth not into his heart, but into his belly, and goeth out into the draught? [This he said], making all meats clean.

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Actually, that's not right at all, but a later addition.

Here it is, from an ancient translation:

"And when he was entered into the house from the people, his disciples asked him concerning the parable. And he saith unto them, Are ye so without understanding also? Do ye not perceive, that whatsoever thing from without entereth into the man, it cannot defile him; because it entereth not into his heart, but into the belly, and goeth out into the draught, purging all meats? And he said, That which cometh out of the man, that defileth the man. For from within, out of the heart of men, proceed evil thoughts, adulteries, fornications, murders, thefts, covetousness, wickedness, deceit, lasciviousness, an evil eye, blasphemy, pride, foolishness: all these evil things come from within, and defile the man." --Mark 7:17-23

Modern bibles are getting really scary.

--Hope that helped.

LoveGodsWord said:

Nonsense, your not being honest. I have posted nothing about EGW. That is all your doing due to your refusal to discuss the scriptures with me.

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No I said that you're only able/willing to view scripture according to SDA doctrine mainly written by Ellen G. White. That's what you've been indoctrinated into. I've tried discussing scripture with you, but you're only able/willing to interpret scripture according to EGW's SDA doctrine.

1an said:

Forget the Old Testament, it is not for Christians, and Jesus replaced it.
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Christ calls, what you erroneously refer to as the 'old testament', the scriptures, and so does Paul, etc.

The scriptures still stand, and will stand, otherwise, heaven and earth will pass.

(Old Testament means Old Covenant, not the scriptures, period.)

I just enjoyed a pork chop sandwich this noon and an Iowa chop (a thick pork chop) for supper this evening. As my Jewish friend David says, "Pork is one of the really great gifts from God."

imge said:

How many laws are in Gods commandments?

Exodus 28 So he was there with the Lord forty days and forty nights; he neither ate bread nor drank water. And He wrote on the tablets the words of the covenant, the Ten Commandments.

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I'm sorry, but this is not correct.

The ten commandments are not the sum total of what God commanded, but the beginning of God speaking to Israel Himself.

God's commands are prior to mount Sinai, and continue well after it.

I have not counted His commands, yet I know how to keep them, even the ones I don't know--yes, especially the ones I don't know, praise God!

MMXX said:

No I said that you're only able/willing to view scripture according to SDA doctrine mainly written by Ellen G. White. That's what you've been indoctrinated into. I've tried discussing scripture with you, but you're only able/willing to interpret scripture according to EGW's SDA doctrine.

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Indeed and I said nonsense, your not being honest. I have only posted scripture from my own personal bible study. You it seems are seeking to make it about something else and not willing to discuss the scriptures with me. Of course you are free to believe as you wish. Lets talk more when you have scripture to share until then we will agree to disagree.

TJB said:

Deep fried alligator - do you wash that down with Gatorade.....

Sorry, couldn't resist

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Just got here, and already scoffing: says a lot.

Religiot said:

I'm sorry, but this is not correct.

The ten commandments are not the sum total of what God commanded, but the beginning of God speaking to Israel Himself.

God's commands are prior to mount Sinai, and continue well after it.

I have not counted His commands, yet I know how to keep them, even the ones I don't know--yes, especially the ones I don't know, praise God!

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That is very curious to me because your fellow SDA's here at CF are quite insistent that God requires everyone everywhere at all times to obey THE TEN COMMANDMENTS and no others. What makes you think that God requires you to keep all of His Sabbath commandments?

bbbbbbb said:

That is very curious to me because your fellow SDA's here at CF are quite insistent that God requires everyone everywhere at all times to obey THE TEN COMMANDMENTS and no others. What makes you think that God requires you to keep all of His Sabbath commandments?

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It is God's Word in the new covenant that shows that God's 10 commandments are the standard of good (moral right doing) and evil (moral wrong doing); sin and righteousness according to the scriptures in Romans 3:20; Romans 7:7; 1 John 3:4; Psalms 119:172. According to James if we break anyone of them we stand guilty before God of sin in James 2:10-11 and Paul goes on to say if we continue in known unrepentant sin after receiving a knowledge of the truth there remains no more sacrifice for sin but a fearful looking forward to of the judgement to come in Hebrews 10:26-31. The purpose of God's law in the new covenant is to give us the knowledge of what sin is and to lead us to Christ that we might be forgiven through faith and be made free from our sin and born in the Spirit to believe and follow God's Word *Galatians 3:22-25; Galatians 5:16; Romans 8:1-4; 1 John 3:6-9; John 10:26-27. God's 4th commandment is one of God's 10 commandments that give us the knowledge of what sin is when broken. There is not one scripture in all of God's Word that says Gods' 4th commandment has been abolished and we are now commanded to keep Sunday as a Holy day of rest. Sunday is a man-made teaching and tradition that is not biblical according to the scriptures that has led many to break Gods 4th commandment. Jesus says in His own words that if we follow man-made teachings and traditions that break the commandments of God we are not worshiping God in Matthew 15:3-9.

bbbbbbb said:

I just enjoyed a pork chop sandwich this noon and an Iowa chop (a thick pork chop) for supper this evening. As my Jewish friend David says, "Pork is one of the really great gifts from God."

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If that is what your Jewish friend said he would be one in name only as Jews do not eat pork and follow God's dietary laws.

nolidad said:

What we eat does not defile us.

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Was the consensus of the council wrong in Acts 15, when they adjudged an emergency mandate to Gentile believers, that they immediately abstain from meats offered to idols, from blood, and from things strangled?

Were they wrong in concerning themselves with what the Gentiles were eating?

Out of all the emergency mandates, they focused 80% of what they wanted the Gentiles to immediately know, on what the Gentiles were eating, mentioning fornication last...

Not only were they exceedingly concerned with rushing those requirements to new Gentile believers, but justified not enumerating all God said about food, saying, "For Moses of old time hath in every city them that preach him, being read in the synagogues every sabbath day." --Acts 15:21

Not only was their judgment righteous because it was based solely on God's laws, but the irony that it was so focused on what they ate shows, beyond any doubt, that what is being said here in this thread, by many, is a perfect misunderstanding of what the Lord said.

The Lord was talking about sin originating in the heart; therefore, to consume anything, that you believe is contrary to God's will, is sin, regardless of what it actually is that you are consuming; for the sin occurs in the heart.

Simple example, for clarity:

If I eat apples, believing that God doesn't want me to eat apples, yet in rebellion, I eat them presumptuously, then I am sinning, even tho apples are sanctified by the word of God, my consuming them is sin, for I'm eating them in rebellion.

"Therefore to him that knoweth to do good, and doeth it not, to him it is sin." --James 4:17

LoveGodsWord said:

Indeed and I said nonsense, your not being honest. I have only posted scripture from my own personal bible study. You it seems are seeking to make it about something else and not willing to discuss the scriptures with me. Of course you are free to believe as you wish. Lets talk more when you have scripture to share until then we will agree to disagree.

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I've given you my honest appraisal. Since you and a couple of other SDA members sounded so much alike regarding interpretation, it was a forgone conclusion you were all reading from the same docternal script.

If you're instead going by your own personal Bible study, then I'm dealing with a "lone ranger" who's dead set on his own personal interpretation and isn't going to be willing to consider other views.

Now I've discussed various scriptures such as Acts 15 (in particular verses 20 and 29) and Mark 7:19 etc. Others have discussed those and several other scriptures, so it seems to me that you're the one who's not being honest in claiming that I and others have refused to discuss scripture.

BNR32FAN said:

Ok I just learned that it doesn’t matter what restrictions were in place before the flood because after the flood The Lord told Noah he can eat anything that moves in Genesis 9:3. So we’re all good now, feel free to order that BLT or fully loaded baked potato.

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Well, no. This is what it actually says:

"Every moving thing that liveth shall be meat for you; even as the green herb have I given you all things." --Genesis 9:3

ONLY CERTAIN KINDS OF PLANTS ARE TO BE EATEN BY MAN

"And God said, Behold, I have given you every herb bearing seed, which is upon the face of all the earth, and every tree, in the which is the fruit of a tree yielding seed; to you it shall be for meat." --Genesis 1:29

BUT EVERY GREEN PLANT IS TO BE EATEN BY ANIMALS

"And to every beast of the earth, and to every fowl of the air, and to every thing that creepeth upon the earth, wherein there is life, I have given every green herb for meat: and it was so." --Genesis 1:30

ONLY CERTAIN KINDS OF ANIMALS ARE CLEAN

"Of every clean beast thou shalt take to thee by sevens, the male and his female: and of beasts that are not clean by two, the male and his female." --Genesis 7:2

NOAH SACRIFICED ONLY THE CLEAN ANIMALS

"And Noah builded an altar unto the Lord; and took of every clean beast, and of every clean fowl, and offered burnt offerings on the altar." --Genesis 8:20

ONLY AFTER THE CLEAN ANIMALS WERE ROASTED DID GOD COMMAND NOAH EAT FLESH LIKE HE DID THE GREEN HERBS--BY THE PRESCRIPTION OF GOD

"And Noah builded an altar unto the Lord; and took of every clean beast, and of every clean fowl, and offered burnt offerings on the altar. And the Lord smelled a sweet savour; and the Lord said in his heart, I will not again curse the ground any more for man's sake; for the imagination of man's heart is evil from his youth; neither will I again smite any more every thing living, as I have done. While the earth remaineth, seedtime and harvest, and cold and heat, and summer and winter, and day and night shall not cease. And God blessed Noah and his sons, and said unto them, Be fruitful, and multiply, and replenish the earth. And the fear of you and the dread of you shall be upon every beast of the earth, and upon every fowl of the air, upon all that moveth upon the earth, and upon all the fishes of the sea; into your hand are they delivered. Every moving thing that liveth shall be meat for you; even as the green herb have I given you all things. But flesh with the life thereof, which is the blood thereof, shall ye not eat." --Genesis 8:20-9:4

Therefore, not all plants are consumable, according to God, nor all animals, but only that which God has deemed as food can be consumed, period.

LoveGodsWord said:

It is God's Word in the new covenant that shows that God's 10 commandments are the standard of good (moral right doing) and evil (moral wrong doing); sin and righteousness according to the scriptures in Romans 3:20; Romans 7:7; 1 John 3:4; Psalms 119:172. According to James if we break anyone of them we stand guilty before God of sin in James 2:10-11

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Exactly. James 2:10 says, "For whoever keeps the whole law and yet stumbles at just one point is guilty of breaking all of it". The whole law is 613 points of law. If you stumble on just one of those you have broken all of them; you have broken all Ten Commandments and all of the other laws.

BNR32FAN said:

Do you believe Genesis 9:3?

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Yes, but let's see if you do!

Here it is, in context:

"Every moving thing that liveth shall be meat for you; even as the green herb have I given you all things." --Genesis 9:3

ONLY CERTAIN KINDS OF PLANTS ARE TO BE EATEN BY MAN

"And God said, Behold, I have given you every herb bearing seed, which is upon the face of all the earth, and every tree, in the which is the fruit of a tree yielding seed; to you it shall be for meat." --Genesis 1:29

BUT EVERY GREEN PLANT IS TO BE EATEN BY ANIMALS

"And to every beast of the earth, and to every fowl of the air, and to every thing that creepeth upon the earth, wherein there is life, I have given every green herb for meat: and it was so." --Genesis 1:30

ONLY CERTAIN KINDS OF ANIMALS ARE CLEAN

"Of every clean beast thou shalt take to thee by sevens, the male and his female: and of beasts that are not clean by two, the male and his female." --Genesis 7:2

NOAH SACRIFICED ONLY THE CLEAN ANIMALS

"And Noah builded an altar unto the Lord; and took of every clean beast, and of every clean fowl, and offered burnt offerings on the altar." --Genesis 8:20

ONLY AFTER THE CLEAN ANIMALS WERE ROASTED DID GOD COMMAND NOAH EAT FLESH LIKE HE DID THE GREEN HERBS--BY THE PRESCRIPTION OF GOD

"And Noah builded an altar unto the Lord; and took of every clean beast, and of every clean fowl, and offered burnt offerings on the altar. And the Lord smelled a sweet savour; and the Lord said in his heart, I will not again curse the ground any more for man's sake; for the imagination of man's heart is evil from his youth; neither will I again smite any more every thing living, as I have done. While the earth remaineth, seedtime and harvest, and cold and heat, and summer and winter, and day and night shall not cease. And God blessed Noah and his sons, and said unto them, Be fruitful, and multiply, and replenish the earth. And the fear of you and the dread of you shall be upon every beast of the earth, and upon every fowl of the air, upon all that moveth upon the earth, and upon all the fishes of the sea; into your hand are they delivered. Every moving thing that liveth shall be meat for you; even as the green herb have I given you all things. But flesh with the life thereof, which is the blood thereof, shall ye not eat." --Genesis 8:20-9:4

Therefore, not all plants are consumable, according to God, nor all animals, but only that which God has deemed as food can be consumed, period.