Parents in Utah school opt their children out of Black History Month

Direct Driver said:

If I had school aged kids and the school had a "White history" month, you had better believe I'd opt them out.

But if I had school aged kids today there is no way I'd put them in our current public schools. Frankly, I see public school as a 19th century paradigm that outlived its usefulness in the early 21st century. It's primary function is twofold:
1. Supply jobs to over-educated college grads in support of the higher education system.
2. Supply free daycare to parents that have sold themselves into indentured slavery.

With cheap computers, the internet and sites like Khanacademy.org, public schools are a relic of a bygone era and economically bloated beyond all excuse.

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So you’re proposing that public education be replaced by learning via the internet?

durangodawood said:

So you can take the euro out of the European, but you cant "take the africa out of the African". Sounds like youre describing different species of humans here.

As we hone in on your core thinking, it seems to be getting toward a sort of racist racial-essentialism.

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White culture is always evolving. American culture isn't much different from European culture, except that they might be more cultured in the classical sense. In fact most Europeans don't think America has a culture.

Sparagmos said:

So you’re proposing that public education be replaced by learning via the internet?

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That is a big part of it, yes. But I'm advocating, really, for home schooling. The internet just makes it MUCH more practical and better than public school. It is also a relationship enhancer between parents and children. It prevents them from being raised by the state and their friends.

And just like today, low quality parents will result in low quality education. And vice versa.

BNR32FAN said:

studies on black behavior in the 60s? Are you kidding me right now? You know full well how biased those studies were against blacks. They were about as accurate as their studies on marijuana, total propaganda.

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I'm talking about African-American as well as other minority history programs which began in the late 1960's and spread rapidly to colleges and universities across the country. This should help:

Why Not Take a Black Studies Class?

I remember the professor beginning each class by making us repeat after him, "White people are not guilty. Black people are not victims."

OldWiseGuy said:

White culture is always evolving.

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Which culture do you have in mind when you say "white culture"? Dutch? Spanish? English? Russian? Armenian? Those are all white people.

Isn't 'black culture' always evolving, too? Heck, isn't every kind of culture always evolving? Egyptians don't bury their dead leaders in pyramids anymore, Arabs aren't all nomads anymore, Greeks don't wear togas, etc.

OldWiseGuy said:

I'm talking about African-American as well as other minority history programs which began in the late 1960's and spread rapidly to colleges and universities across the country. This should help:

Why Not Take a Black Studies Class?

I remember the professor beginning each class by making us repeat after him, "White people are not guilty. Black people are not victims."

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I love this pdf: http://walterewilliams.com/WalterWilliamsAmnestyProclamation.pdf

Direct Driver said:

I love this pdf: http://walterewilliams.com/WalterWilliamsAmnestyProclamation.pdf
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Love it!

Direct Driver said:

I love this pdf: http://walterewilliams.com/WalterWilliamsAmnestyProclamation.pdf
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Is that what this is really all about? Do you want black people to absolve you from some kind residual guilt you may feel over slavery?

dzheremi said:

Is that what this is really all about? Do you want black people to absolve you from some kind residual guilt you may feel over slavery?

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No. I have none. But plenty do. It's for them.

Direct Driver said:

No. I have none. But plenty do. It's for them.

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But the document says they are guilty for their ancestors actions.

IF he's right, one guy's "proclamation" wont help much.

durangodawood said:

But the document says they are guilty for their ancestors actions.

IF he's right, one guy's "proclamation" wont help much.

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You are completely missing his point. But, to be fair, you have to be familiar with his work to understand the ridiculously valid point he's making.

The point is that, guilty or not, you are forgiven.

Sparagmos said:

So you’re proposing that public education be replaced by learning via the internet?

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I'm learning much more about blacks via the internet than any class would teach.

OldWiseGuy said:

I'm learning much more about blacks via the internet than any class would teach.

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Yes. That well know repository of true things

durangodawood said:

Yes. That well know repository of true things

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The internet is like a library. Before the internet we had a sarcastic phrase: "It must be true because I read it in a book."

But we still read books and go to libraries both public and university.

Out of curiosity, which source do you trust more than the internet?

And on the internet you can SEE people say things and do things. And then make up your own mind.

Direct Driver said:

You are completely missing his point. But, to be fair, you have to be familiar with his work to understand the ridiculously valid point he's making.

The point is that, guilty or not, you are forgiven.

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How is the point valid if ancestral guilt is not valid?

durangodawood said:

How is the point valid if ancestral guilt is not valid?

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I was going to call it a red herring, but it isn't even that. It's a straw man. He's making the argument that EVERYONE'S ancestors wronged SOMEONE. And he's forgiving you if your ancestors wronged his ancestors. And his primary point is to not act like fools about it. Don't live in the past. Learn from it. Don't repeat the bad stuff.

Direct Driver said:

The internet is like a library. Before the internet we had a sarcastic phrase: "It must be true because I read it in a book."

But we still read books and go to libraries both public and university.

Out of curiosity, which source do you trust more than the internet?

And on the internet you can SEE people say things and do things. And then make up your own mind.

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Yeah there's some true stuff there. But I certainly wouldnt recommend it on average over a class at any reputable university.

durangodawood said:

Yeah there's some true stuff there. But I certainly wouldnt recommend it on average over a class at any reputable university.

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Most people are not in universities. And the ones that ARE there are focusing on a very tiny set of subjects. The internet puts information at my fingertips that was unimaginable before the internet. Even if sitting in the middle of a university library, actually getting your hands on just the right information can be absurdly time consuming, even WITH the Dewey decimal system.

A confession: One time I was discussing a subject on science and biology with someone on the internet (this was roughly 15 years ago) and he questioned my credentials on the subject and asked me a question. I didn't have a clue what the answer was. But I am really good at Google and formed a search that got me to the key point in less than a minute. I answered his question and he apologized.

20 years of doing that in many, many forums on lots of subjects has actually produced genuine knowledge in my noggin.

Direct Driver said:

I was going to call it a red herring, but it isn't even that. It's a straw man. He's making the argument that EVERYONE'S ancestors wronged SOMEONE. And he's forgiving you if your ancestors wronged his ancestors. And his primary point is to not act like fools about it. Don't live in the past. Learn from it. Don't repeat the bad stuff.

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Forgiving me for what other people did?

That simply doesnt make sense to me.

durangodawood said:

Forgiving me for what other people did?

That simply doesnt make sense to me.

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At this point I think you are arguing just to argue. Either that or there is some deep set bias you have that is blocking you from seeing the obvious message here.