Why Am I Eating a Pork Chop?

Yeshua HaDerekh · Feb 10, 2021

MMXX said:
You wrote "aphedroma" instead of "aphedrona" which was simply a typo, but that's why I couldn't find it at first.

Aphedrona (aphedrón) is #856 in Strong's Concordance, which is the reference I was looking for.

Ooops

Strong in Him · Feb 10, 2021

LoveGodsWord said:
Who says?

Scripture says.

LoveGodsWord said:
That was not the point of the post and the Greek meaning of the scripture shared with you showing that the scripture you were using in Mark 7:19 does not say what you were claiming it says.

Well if that's what the Greek says, that's what it says.
But my interlinear Greek NT has that phrase - and it's been kept in the English translation.

LoveGodsWord said:
All the Word of God is taught to Gentile believers who are now grafted in to God's ISRAEL *Romans 11:13-27 according to God's Word *2 Timothy 3:16.

Scripture does not say that all Gentile believers and followers of Jesus, the giver of eternal life and ONLY way to God, have to be taught food + hygiene laws that were never given to them.

Yeshua HaDerekh · Feb 10, 2021

Strong in Him said:
It matters because Scripture says that Jesus declared all foods to be clean.
They were kept in the Bible; the compilers, and the Holy Spirit, did not see fit to remove them.
A new Christian, or an unbeliever, reading those words would be correct in thinking that that's what Jesus said and meant.

Well no He didn't in those passages, that was a later addition. Um, that is why they are in parenthesis

Yeshua HaDerekh · Feb 10, 2021

Strong in Him said:
As you are concerned about context, you should know that these laws were given to those people at that time. If you can show me where Jesus told Gentile believers "now that you follow me, have eternal life and have been set free, make sure you read the OT and put yourself under bondage to those laws", I'll read it. If you can show me where the apostles went and preached to Gentile converts "Jesus saves and sets you free, but here are the food laws you have to keep", I'll believe it.
But it's not there.

See you are doing the same thing as others here. You are making assumptions. My point and only point was that none of those passages, in their context, can prove that it was now allowable to eat non-kosher food.

LoveGodsWord · Feb 10, 2021

MMXX said:
You're the one repeating yourself as if operating in default script mode.

Although I have repeated; that adhering to OT food laws has never existed in the Eastern Othodox or Roman Catholic or Protestant reformation churches. With the exception of the SDA denomination of Protestantism which began in the 19th century - because you seem to be avoiding that fact.

No your repeating things that are not biblical or true. You have been corrected as shown through the scriptures already yet your repeating the same things. Of course you are free to believe as you wish. It is you that is avoiding the fact that what your claiming is not biblical not me. Post # 414 and elsewhere demonstrates this fact through the scriptures.

Ceallaigh · Feb 10, 2021

Yeshua HaDerekh said:
Well no He didn't in those passages, that was a later addition. Um, that is why they are in parenthesis

I don't think anyone is disagreeing that it's an addition. I view it the same way as the Amplefied Bible adds comments in brackets for clarification in accordance with mainstream Christian theology.

The question is why was it added in? I think it was added in because it was in accordance with original (and continuing) Christian interpretation / theology / practice.

coffee4u · Feb 10, 2021

LoveGodsWord said:
Who says? That was not the point of the post and the Greek meaning of the scripture shared with you showing that the scripture you were using in Mark 7:19 does not say what you were claiming it says. All the Word of God is taught to Gentile believers who are now grafted in to God's ISRAEL *Romans 11:13-27 according to God's Word *2 Timothy 3:16.

And there are plenty of verses showing that what we eat isn't a requirement and that everything is clean. You don't have to use mark 7:19.

Romans 14:1-23
As for the one who is weak in faith, welcome him, but not to quarrel over opinions. One person believes he may eat anything, while the weak person eats only vegetables. Let not the one who eats despise the one who abstains, and let not the one who abstains pass judgment on the one who eats, for God has welcomed him. Who are you to pass judgment on the servant of another? It is before his own master that he stands or falls. And he will be upheld, for the Lord is able to make him stand. One person esteems one day as better than another, while another esteems all days alike. Each one should be fully convinced in his own mind.
Be convinced in your own mind in what you do. There is no need to be convincing anyone else.

Romans 14:14
I know and am persuaded in the Lord Jesus that nothing is unclean in itself, but it is unclean for anyone who thinks it unclean.
Again this is personal on how you feel about something. It could be applied to Pork or anything for that matter.

Acts 15:29
That you abstain from what has been sacrificed to idols, and from blood, and from what has been strangled, and from sexual immorality. If you keep yourselves from these, you will do well. Farewell.”
No mention of pork and there easily could have been if it was important. Meat sacrificed to idols is mentioned here as something to abstain from yet it is also mentioned as being fine for others to eat in 1 Cor.
4 Therefore, as to the eating of food offered to idols, we know that “an idol has no real existence,” and that “there is no God but one.”
7 However, not all possess this knowledge. But some, through former association with idols, eat food as really offered to an idol, and their conscience, being weak, is defiled.
What was important was that by eating a person could make another brother stumble, that was the real issue. Not whether the roast happened to be pork or beef, sacrificed to an idol or not.

Romans 14:20
Do not, for the sake of food, destroy the work of God. Everything is indeed clean, but it is wrong for anyone to make another stumble by what he eats.

Matthew 15:11
It is not what goes into the mouth that defiles a person, but what comes out of the mouth; this defiles a person.

Yeshua HaDerekh · Feb 10, 2021

Strong in Him said:
Scripture does not say that all Gentile believers and followers of Jesus, the giver of eternal life and ONLY way to God, have to be taught food + hygiene laws that were never given to them.

Well...

So we are sending Judas and Silas who will also convey this same message by word of mouth: ‘It is the decision of the holy Spirit and of us not to place on you any burden beyond these necessities, namely, to abstain from meat sacrificed to idols (also in the Didache), from blood, from meats of strangled animals, and from unlawful marriage.

LoveGodsWord · Feb 10, 2021

coffee4u said:
And there are plenty of verses showing that what we eat isn't a requirement and that everything is clean. You don't have to use mark 7:19.

Romans 14:1-23
As for the one who is weak in faith, welcome him, but not to quarrel over opinions. One person believes he may eat anything, while the weak person eats only vegetables. Let not the one who eats despise the one who abstains, and let not the one who abstains pass judgment on the one who eats, for God has welcomed him. Who are you to pass judgment on the servant of another? It is before his own master that he stands or falls. And he will be upheld, for the Lord is able to make him stand. One person esteems one day as better than another, while another esteems all days alike. Each one should be fully convinced in his own mind.
Be convinced in your own mind in what you do. There is no need to be convincing anyone else.

Romans 14:14
I know and am persuaded in the Lord Jesus that nothing is unclean in itself, but it is unclean for anyone who thinks it unclean.
Again this is personal on how you feel about something. It could be applied to Pork or anything for that matter.

Acts 15:29
That you abstain from what has been sacrificed to idols, and from blood, and from what has been strangled, and from sexual immorality. If you keep yourselves from these, you will do well. Farewell.”
No mention of pork and there easily could have been if it was important. Meat sacrificed to idols is mentioned here as something to abstain from yet it is also mentioned as being fine for others to eat in 1 Cor.
4 Therefore, as to the eating of food offered to idols, we know that “an idol has no real existence,” and that “there is no God but one.”
7 However, not all possess this knowledge. But some, through former association with idols, eat food as really offered to an idol, and their conscience, being weak, is defiled.
What was important was that by eating a person could make another brother stumble, that was the real issue. Not whether the roast happened to be pork or beef, sacrificed to an idol or not.

Romans 14:20
Do not, for the sake of food, destroy the work of God. Everything is indeed clean, but it is wrong for anyone to make another stumble by what he eats.

Matthew 15:11
It is not what goes into the mouth that defiles a person, but what comes out of the mouth; this defiles a person.

Mark 7:19 has already been proven not to be talking about the clean and the unclean food laws. Matthew 15:11 is only another Gospel rendition of Mark 7:19. Paul does not say all things are lawful for him concerning clean and unclean meats. The same scripture from 1 Corinthians 6:12 is also repeated in 1 Corinthians 10:23-24 but the focus here is once again on FOOD offered to IDOLS (not clean and unclean meats) and making that which is lawful to eat through faith in God's WORD a stumbling block (not expedient) to those who are weak in the faith 1 Corinthians 10:23-32. While Romans 14 is of a similar vain and has nothing to do with clean and unclean food laws. It is about judging others in regards to eating and not eating on days that men esteem over other days and receiving those weak in the faith from foods offered to idols. Acts 15 is over the question is circumcision as a requirement for the salvation of new Gentile believers. Not if God's dietary laws are a requirement for healthful living. Soo what else do we have?

Yeshua HaDerekh · Feb 10, 2021

MMXX said:
I don't think anyone is disagreeing that it's an addition. I view it the same way as the Amplefied Bible adds comments in brackets for clarification in accordance with mainstream Christian theology.

The question is why was it added in? I think it was added in because it was in accordance with original (and continuing) Christian interpretation / theology / practice.

Could have been. The question would be is WHEN was it added. Was it after 135 AD and the edict of Hadrian when Gentile Bishops were installed over Jewish Bishops?

Ceallaigh · Feb 10, 2021

LoveGodsWord said:
No your repeating things that are not biblical or true. You have been corrected as shown through the scriptures already yet your repeating the same things. Of course you are free to believe as you wish. It is you that is avoiding the fact that what your claiming is not biblical not me. Post # 414 and elsewhere demonstrates this fact through the scriptures.

Show where adhering to OT dietary laws ever existed in Christianity.

Strong in Him · Feb 10, 2021

Yeshua HaDerekh said:
See you are doing the same thing as others here. You are making assumptions. My point and only point was that none of those passages, in their context, can prove that it was now allowable to eat non-kosher food.

My point is that Jesus never told the Gentiles to start eating only clean foods, stop eating unclean foods, or indeed, obey any of the other hygeine laws given to the Hebrews at Sinai.

LoveGodsWord · Feb 10, 2021

Strong in Him said:
Scripture does not say that all Gentile believers and followers of Jesus, the giver of eternal life and ONLY way to God, have to be taught food + hygiene laws that were never given to them.

No. The scriptures teach man does not live by bread alone but by every word that proceeds out of the mouth of God *Matthew 4:4 from Deuteronomy 8:3 and not every one that says to me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that does the will of my Father which is in heaven *Matthew 7:21

LoveGodsWord · Feb 10, 2021

MMXX said:
Show where adhering to OT dietary laws ever existed in Christianity.

It has always existed since the Exodus. Read the bible (see Leviticus 11:1-47 and Deuteronomy 14:1-29

Yeshua HaDerekh · Feb 10, 2021

Strong in Him said:
My point is that Jesus never told the Gentiles to start eating only clean foods, stop eating unclean foods, or indeed, obey any of the other hygeine laws given to the Hebrews at Sinai.

Well He certainly never told Jews to! When DID He tell Gentiles to do anything?

Strong in Him · Feb 10, 2021

Yeshua HaDerekh said:
Well...

So we are sending Judas and Silas who will also convey this same message by word of mouth: ‘It is the decision of the holy Spirit and of us not to place on you any burden beyond these necessities, namely, to abstain from meat sacrificed to idols (also in the Didache), from blood, from meats of strangled animals, and from unlawful marriage.

"meats of strangled animals" is not the same as "pork, shrimp and other unclean meats."

And even the "meat offered to idols" part of the letter was dismissed/overlooked by Paul when he later taught that an idol is nothing and it's ok to eat meat offered to idols, unless it would hurt the faith of another believer, 1 Corinthians 8:4-9.

Strong in Him · Feb 10, 2021

Yeshua HaDerekh said:
Well He certainly never told Jews to! When DID He tell Gentiles to do anything?

When Jesus came - he told everyone who followed him to put God first, love God first and love as he loves.

Yeshua HaDerekh · Feb 10, 2021

Strong in Him said:
When Jesus came - he told everyone who followed him to put God first, love God first and love as he loves.

He was preaching to Jews. That is in the Torah...

Yeshua HaDerekh · Feb 10, 2021

Strong in Him said:
"meats of strangled animals" is not the same as "pork, shrimp and other unclean meats."

I never said it was! YOU said there were NO dietary laws for Gentiles...so I showed you some...in Acts...AND they ARE laws from Torah...well more like Noahide laws...

Strong in Him · Feb 10, 2021

LoveGodsWord said:
No. The scriptures teach man does not live by bread alone but by every word that proceeds out of the mouth of God *Matthew 4:4 from Deuteronomy 8:3 and not every one that says to me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that does the will of my Father which is in heaven *Matthew 7:21

Fine.
If you want to obey EVERY word that comes from the mouth of God, then I'm assuming you keep ALL the laws written in Exodus and Leviticus. How many people have you stoned for not keeping the Sabbath? Are your clothes made from ONE fabric only, no mixes. Do all your fields contain only one kind of seed? Do you offer animal sacrifices? Do you never trim your beard, if you have one? Do you avoid people with skin diseases? Etc etc.
If you believe all these things are commanded and you have to obey them, then that's what you must do.

God's will is that we believe in Jesus, John 6:40.
We can DO all things correctly but if we do not believe in Jesus, or if we have faith that something else other than Jesus can save us, it is no good.
Jesus ALONE saves, blesses and gives eternal life - not Jesus + food laws, baptism, church rules or anything else. Believing in Jesus AND keeping all the food laws etc doesn't make God love you any the more, nor earn you any more blessings, spiritual brownie points etc.
Jesus is THE Word of God.

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