Did Jesus go to Hades?

Paul4JC · Feb 9, 2021

Saint Steven said:
The heart of the earth. Known as the realm of the dead. (29 references in the NIV translation)

Matthew 12:40
For as Jonah was three days and three nights in the belly of a huge fish, so the Son of Man will be three days and three nights in the heart of the earth.

Note: Christ was laid in an above ground tomb. Where is the heart of the earth?

1 Peter 3:18-20
For Christ also suffered once for sins, the righteous for the unrighteous, to bring you to God. He was put to death in the body but made alive in the Spirit. 19 After being made alive, he went and made proclamation to the imprisoned spirits— 20 to those who were disobedient long ago when God waited patiently in the days of Noah while the ark was being built. In it only a few people, eight in all, were saved through water,

Ephesians 4:8-10
This is why it says:
“When he ascended on high,
he took many captives
and gave gifts to his people.”
9 (What does “he ascended” mean except that he also
descended to the lower, earthly regions?
10 He who descended is the very one who ascended
higher than all the heavens,
in order to fill the whole universe.)

1 Peter 4:6
For this is the reason the gospel was preached even to those who are now dead, so that they might be judged according to human standards in regard to the body, but live according to God in regard to the spirit.

Romans 14:9
For this very reason, Christ died and returned to life so that he might be the Lord of both the dead and the living.

What 29 references?

I believe he's referring to his body, which was in the tomb, (the heart of the earth), three days and nights.

...but his spirit was not there...[1Pe 3:18b-19 NIV] He was put to death in the body but made alive in the Spirit. After being made alive, he went and made proclamation to the imprisoned spirits--

Paul4JC · Feb 9, 2021

Paul4JC said:
So where did Christ descend to? Where is this place biblically?

& [Phl 2:10 NIV] …at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, in heaven and on earth and under the earth, Original Word: καταχθόνιος, ον Phonetic Spelling: (kat-akh-thon'-ee-os) Definition: under the earth

[Rev 5:3, 13a NIV] 3 But no one in heaven or on earth or under the earth could open the scroll or even look inside it. ... 13 Then I heard every creature in heaven and on earth and under the earth and on the sea,

[Eph 4:9 NIV] 9 (What does "he ascended" mean except that he also descended to the lower, earthly regions?

[Rom 10:7 NASB] 7 or 'WHO WILL DESCEND INTO THE ABYSS?' (that is, to bring Christ up from the dead)."

Original Word: ἄβυσσος, ου, ἡ
Transliteration: abussos
Definition: boundless, bottomless

[Act 2:31 NIV] 31 Seeing what was to come, he spoke of the resurrection of the Messiah, that he was not abandoned to the realm of the dead, nor did his body see decay.

[Job 26:56 NIV] "The dead are in deep anguish, those beneath the waters and all that live in them. 6 The realm of the dead(rapha) is naked before God; Destruction lies uncovered.

[Exo 20:4 ESV] "You shall not make for yourself a carved image, or any likeness of anything that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth.

The Bible clearly says “under the earth” and “lower earthly regions.” So it cannot be some cosmic place in space, and no it’s not Australia. Descent means down, plain and simple.

It does not say inside the earth. We may choose science over Biblical cosmology, but what do you do with this? Where did the Lord Jesus go? To outer space, or another planet? No, it says the “lower earthy regions” or “under the earth.”

Der Alte · Feb 9, 2021

Halbhh said:
Hope you have a good day. God bless.

No problem. But I will continue to point out errors, inconsistencies etc. in your and other's posts as I have since Hillary's husband was POTUS.

Der Alte · Feb 9, 2021

Paul4JC said:
So where did Christ descend to? Where is this place biblically?

Psalms 139:14-15
14 I will praise thee; for I am fearfully and wonderfully made: marvellous are thy works; and that my soul knoweth right well.
15 My substance was not hid from thee, when I was made in secret, and curiously wrought in the lowest parts of the earth.

Landon Caeli · Feb 9, 2021

Jaxxi said:
The Catholic perspective is also to pray to Mary who nowhere in the Bible does it say she was anything more than a vessel by which He was carried. She could not bless Christ on the cross or save Him. She was helpless to do anything just as she is now. Statues of her are idols. Catholics also have the most backwards man leading their church, a man who is twisting the word of God and changing the traditions of the church. Your pope is a false prophet.

Well if that's the way you feel, then just realize that saying it doesn't change a thing for anyone anywhere. Basically, you're words are in one ear and out the other with anyone who reads it.

Saint Steven · Feb 9, 2021

Paul4JC said:
What 29 references?

Do a Bible search in the NIV translation on the key phrase: realm of the dead
The search yields 29 results (references) Most in the OT. Two in Acts chapter two. Happy hunting.

Saint Steven · Feb 9, 2021

Paul4JC said:
I believe he's referring to his body, which was in the tomb, (the heart of the earth), three days and nights.

A grave is in the ground. A tomb is above ground.
Besides, the heart of something is in the center. Where is the center of the earth?

Paul4JC · Feb 9, 2021

Der Alte said:
Psalms 139:14-15
14 I will praise thee; for I am fearfully and wonderfully made: marvellous are thy works; and that my soul knoweth right well.
15 My substance was not hid from thee, when I was made in secret, and curiously wrought in the lowest parts of the earth.

(Well a least we agree on one thing. He didn't preach to the dead anti-deluvians.)

Lower and under are two different places. Today I was in the lower part of my car, (Took a seat out and was at the floor board inside) To go under, I'd have to jack the car up and actually go under.

I believe this verse refers to the womb.

Der Alte · Feb 9, 2021

Davy said:
* * * 1 Peter 4:5-6
5 Who shall give account to Him That is ready to judge the quick and the dead.
6 For, for this cause was the gospel preached also to them that are dead, that they might be judged according to men in the flesh, but live according to God in the spirit.
KJV
* * *

NIV 1 Peter 4:5-6
5 But they will have to give account to him who is ready to judge the living and the dead.
6 For this is the reason the gospel was preached even to those who are now dead, so that they might be judged according to human standards in regard to the body, but live according to God in regard to the spirit.

The universalist interpretation of this verse has dead people coming back to life and living according to God.
That is not supported by any other scripture.

Paul4JC · Feb 9, 2021

Saint Steven said:
A grave is in the ground. A tomb is above ground.
Besides, the heart of something is in the center. Where is the center of the earth?

His body was in a tomb, not to be ever opened.

Center and under are two different places.

Halbhh · Feb 9, 2021

18 For Christ also suffered once for sins, the righteous for the unrighteous, that he might bring us to God, being put to death in the flesh but made alive in the spirit, 19 in which he went and proclaimed to the spirits in prison, 20 because they formerly did not obey, when God’s patience waited in the days of Noah, while the ark was being prepared, in which a few, that is, eight persons, were brought safely through water.

Halbhh · Feb 9, 2021

I'll stick with the plain, clear words.

Halbhh · Feb 9, 2021

There is only one partly open question on this for me actually.

About who might be saved when Christ preached the gospel to the dead. It would be those living the right way, or repentant. Those that are "good soil" ( Mark chapter 4).

I was just looking at one answer, from a church long familiar with the Apostles Creed, and which has had a great many theologians and explained many things well:
Catechism of the Catholic Church - Christ Descended into Hell

This seems close at least. Job was counted blameless (Job chapter 1), and blameless isn't exactly the same as sinless. Rather, it's a willingness to repent as needed, and thus to walk with God. (the blameless Job concludes: Job 42:6 Therefore I retract my words, and I repent in dust and ashes." That is blameless living)

Saint Steven · Feb 10, 2021

Paul4JC said:
His body was in a tomb, not to be ever opened.

Center and under are two different places.

Explain the bodily resurrection.

Der Alte · Feb 10, 2021

Halbhh said:
18 For Christ also suffered once for sins, the righteous for the unrighteous, that he might bring us to God, being put to death in the flesh but made alive in the spirit, 19 in which he went and proclaimed to the spirits in prison, 20 because they formerly did not obey, when God’s patience waited in the days of Noah, while the ark was being prepared, in which a few, that is, eight persons, were brought safely through water.

If Jesus preached to all the dead at the time of Noah His preaching was a failure only 8 people, Noah and his family, were saved and they were alive, not dead.
Why would Jesus go to preach all of dead mankind knowing that none of them would be saved?

Davy · Feb 10, 2021

Der Alte said:
NIV 1 Peter 4:5-6
5 But they will have to give account to him who is ready to judge the living and the dead.
6 For this is the reason the gospel was preached even to those who are now dead, so that they might be judged according to human standards in regard to the body, but live according to God in regard to the spirit.
The universalist interpretation of this verse has dead people coming back to life and living according to God.
That is not supported by any other scripture.

In the previous Chapter Peter has already mentioned the fact of Jesus preaching to the "spirits in prison", and he wasn't talking about some fleshy prison, nor people that were alive. So understanding the KJV 1 Peter 4:5-6 verses are a no brainer. It's about The Gospel also being preached to the 'dead' in hell, and those who believed being led out.

Halbhh · Feb 10, 2021

Der Alte said:
If Jesus preached to all the dead at the time of Noah His preaching was a failure only 8 people, Noah and his family, were saved and they were alive, not dead.
Why would Jesus go to preach all of dead mankind knowing that none of them would be saved?

Where did the idea preaching Jesus preaching to people before the flood come from; that isn't implied anywhere. ( Though Noah was a preacher, 2nd Peter chapter 2.)

"Why would Jesus go to preach all of dead mankind knowing that none of them would be saved?"

The idea the gospel might not save lost sinners isn't scriptural. It saves many. If you like, read one mainstream view in post #53

Der Alte · Feb 10, 2021

Halbhh said:
Where did the idea preaching Jesus preaching to people before the flood come from; that isn't implied anywhere. ( Though Noah was a preacher, 2nd Peter chapter 2.)
"Why would Jesus go to preach all of dead mankind knowing that none of them would be saved?"
The idea the gospel might not save lost sinners isn't scriptural. It saves many. If you like, read one mainstream view in post #53

Are you reading my posts?
The idea of "Jesus preaching to people before the flood" comes from 1 Pet 3:18
"[Jesus] went and proclaimed to the spirits in prison...they formerly did not obey, in the days of Noah... eight persons, were brought safely through water."
This passage is not about 2 or more separate events.

1 Peter 3:18-20
18 For Christ also suffered once for sins, the righteous for the unrighteous, that he might bring us to God, being put to death in the flesh but made alive in the spirit,
19 in which he went and proclaimed to the spirits in prison,
20 because they formerly did not obey, when God's patience waited in the days of Noah, while the ark was being prepared, in which a few, that is, eight persons, were brought safely through water.
1 Peter 4:5-6
5 But they will have to give account to him who is ready to judge the living and the dead.
6 For this is the reason the gospel was preached even to those who are now dead, so that they might be judged according to human standards in regard to the body, but live according to God in regard to the spirit.

As some folks interpret this passage the gospel was preached to dead people who then live according to God.

Dkh587 · Feb 10, 2021

The “spirits in prison” are not humans.

humans are not spirit - we have spirits, but we are not spirits.

Angels, however, are spirits

Hebrews 1:14
Are they not all ministering spirits, sent forth to minister for them who shall be heirs of salvation?

The “spirits in prisons” are angels.

2 Peter 2:4
For if God spared not the angels that sinned, but cast them down to Tartarus, and delivered them into chains of darkness, to be reserved unto judgment;

Jude 1:6
And the angels which kept not their first estate, but left their own habitation, he hath reserved in everlasting chains under darkness unto the judgment of the great day

Der Alte · Feb 10, 2021

Davy said:
In the previous Chapter Peter has already mentioned the fact of Jesus preaching to the "spirits in prison", and he wasn't talking about some fleshy prison, nor people that were alive. So understanding the KJV 1 Peter 4:5-6 verses are a no brainer. It's about The Gospel also being preached to the 'dead' in hell, and those who believed being led out.

According to the following verses there are no dead in hell, or anywhere else, believing and being led out.

Ecclesiastes 9:5 For the living know that they shall die: but the dead know not any thing, neither have they any more a reward; for the memory of them is forgotten.
Isaiah 26:14 They are dead, they shall not live; they are deceased, they shall not rise: therefore hast thou visited and destroyed them, and made all their memory to perish.
Psalms 6:5 For in death there is no remembrance of thee: in the grave who shall give thee thanks?
Psalms 88:10 Wilt thou shew wonders to the dead? shall the dead arise and praise thee? Selah.
Psalms 88:11 Shall thy lovingkindness be declared in the grave? or thy faithfulness in destruction?
Ecclesiastes 9:10 Whatsoever thy hand findeth to do, do it with thy might; for there is no work, nor device, nor knowledge, nor wisdom, in the grave, whither thou goest.
Isaiah 38:18 For the grave cannot praise thee, death can not celebrate thee: they that go down into the pit cannot hope for thy truth.
John 9:4 I must work the works of him that sent me, while it is day: the night cometh, when no man can work.

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