STOP EXTREME GUN CONTROL BILL H.R. 127

Danthemailman · Feb 8, 2021

Desk trauma said:
It speaks very poorly of gun owners to say that they would resort to violence over what they see as bad law.

It speaks very poorly of a government who would go to extreme measures to nullify the 2nd Amendment and bait American citizens into civil unrest. The 2nd Amendment was good enough for our founding fathers so it’s good enough for me. Completely nullifying it would not be a good idea at all.

Paulos23 · Feb 8, 2021

Oompa Loompa said:
Try traveling after someone car jacks you at gun point (because only criminals will have guns).

How often has that happened? Even to people with guns in their cars?

A gun is not a powerup item in a video game that stops criminals. You still have to learn to use it, care for it, and even then you still need the opportunity to get it and use it.

The idea that guns stop criminals or even puts you on equal footing with an armed criminal is false.

Strathos · Feb 8, 2021

Danthemailman said:
The 2nd Amendment was good enough for our founding fathers so it’s good enough for me.

Does the same go for the three-fifths clause?

Speedwell · Feb 8, 2021

Danthemailman said:
It speaks very poorly of a government who would go to extreme measures to nullify the 2nd Amendment and bait American citizens into civil unrest. The 2nd Amendment was good enough for our founding fathers so it’s good enough for me. Completely nullifying it would not be a good idea at all.

A register of gun owners does not "nullify" the 2nd Amendment. There is nothing in that Amendment which confers a right to own guns in secret from the government.

Danthemailman · Feb 8, 2021

Strathos said:
Does the same go for the three-fifths clause?

Are you talking about the three-fifths compromise? Section 2 of the 4th Amendment later superseded this clause and explicitly repealed the compromise.

Danthemailman · Feb 8, 2021

Speedwell said:
A register of gun owners does not "nullify" the 2nd Amendment. There is nothing in that Amendment which confers a right to own guns in secret from the government.

I never said it did and I’ve been speaking hypothetically if the second amendment was ever nullified.

Kentonio · Feb 8, 2021

Nithavela said:
Those rights are also not protected by your AR-15. They are protected by the laws, government, law enforcement and military of your country. You just like to play predend that you having an obsolete, castrated weapon has any agency in that.

Bingo. The US continues to be the only civilized country with this bizarre delusion that they need a gun to feel safe.

Speedwell · Feb 8, 2021

Kentonio said:
Bingo. The US continues to be the only civilized country with this bizarre delusion that they need a gun to feel safe.

It's perfectly understandable. The Christian Right regards the rest of us as a dangerous "other" rather than as fellow citizens whom it is possible for them to trust.

Lg2000 · Feb 8, 2021

Speedwell said:
A register of gun owners does not "nullify" the 2nd Amendment. There is nothing in that Amendment which confers a right to own guns in secret from the government.

that’s all they do is fear monger and everything is tyranny . They so badly want to act like they are oppressed . If I had a nickel for how many times I heard
“ Obama’s going to take our guns and call for martial law “..........
We need more gun control not less. Lot of unstable people own guns who shouldn’t .

Ancient of Days · Feb 8, 2021

Semper-Fi said:
H.R.127: Is this Unconstitutional overreach from
authoritarian socialists bent on gun confiscation?
Text - H.R.127 - 117th Congress (2021-2022): Sabika Sheikh Firearm Licensing and Registration Act | Congress.gov | Library of Congress
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STOP EXTREME GUN CONTROL BILL H.R. 127
jbs.org/alert/stop-extreme-gun-control-bill-h-r-127/

"Members of Congress are seeking to pass an extreme and unconstitutional
gun control bill that would effectively nullify the Second Amendment.

Here are the highlights of H.R. 127’s provisions:

It creates a national firearm registry that anyone – including every
level of law enforcement and the military – can access.

The registry would require one to tell the government exactly
where one’s firearms are stored.

One would need a license simply to own a firearm.
Mandatory “psychological evaluations” are required receive this license.

One would need to pay $800 for “firearm insurance.”

It would enact extreme ammunition restrictions, including
a ban on magazines more than 10 rounds.

Violating the above provisions could lead to a prison sentence
of up to 40 years and a fine of up to $150,000."

"That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, --That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness."

Danthemailman · Feb 8, 2021

I find it strange that Christians are continuously being lectured and belittled by liberals and even atheists on this Christian forum.

I don’t seem to run into that on other Christian forum sites.

Ancient of Days · Feb 8, 2021

Lg2000 said:
that’s all they do is fear monger and everything is tyranny . They so badly want to act like they are oppressed . If I had a nickel for how many times I heard
“ Obama’s going to take our guns and call for martial law “..........
We need more gun control not less. Lot of unstable people own guns who shouldn’t .

The problem with your statement is that by the time you realize you were wrong it will be to late...

Arcangl86 · Feb 8, 2021

One Congressperson introduced a bill with no cosponser that was referred to a committee that has taken no action on it in a month. Yeah, I think we have nothing to worry about.

Ancient of Days · Feb 8, 2021

Danthemailman said:
I find it strange that Christians are continuously being lectured and belittled by liberals and even atheists on this Christian forum. I don’t seem to run into that on other Christian forum sites.

You can thank the mods for that...

Lg2000 · Feb 8, 2021

Ancient of Days said:
The problem with your statement is that by the time you realize you were wrong it will be to late...

sure it will.

Speedwell · Feb 8, 2021

Danthemailman said:
I find it strange that Christians are continuously being lectured and belittled by liberals and even atheists on this Christian forum. I don’t seem to run into that on other Christian forum sites.

Maybe this site is just particularly popular with right-wing Christian populists who think they are the only "real" Christians. Because it is not Christians in general who are coming into criticism in this forum.

Ancient of Days · Feb 8, 2021

Lg2000 said:
sure it will.

Thank you for proving my point...

Lg2000 · Feb 8, 2021

Ancient of Days said:
Thank you for proving my point...

more fear mongering

The IbanezerScrooge · Feb 8, 2021

Danthemailman said:
I find it strange that Christians are continuously being lectured and belittled by liberals and even atheists on this Christian forum. I don’t seem to run into that on other Christian forum sites.

There are areas of this forum where Christians can go to be lectured and belittled by only other Christians. No one is forcing you to read or participate in this specific forum.

Paulos23 · Feb 8, 2021

I do find a lot of these requirements unnecessary.

Semper-Fi said:
H.R.127: Is this Unconstitutional overreach from
authoritarian socialists bent on gun confiscation?
Text - H.R.127 - 117th Congress (2021-2022): Sabika Sheikh Firearm Licensing and Registration Act | Congress.gov | Library of Congress
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[snip]

Here are the highlights of H.R. 127’s provisions:

It creates a national firearm registry that anyone – including every
level of law enforcement and the military – can access.

That is excessive. A registry that would need a court order to search would be better.

The registry would require one to tell the government exactly
where one’s firearms are stored.

How much detail are they asking for here? Just the address? Or the exact safe in the basement? I don't think this is really needed.

One would need a license simply to own a firearm.
Mandatory “psychological evaluations” are required to receive this license.

A license with a corresponding test about firearm safety, storing firearms and ammo makes sense to me. Too many people don't learn how to handle or take care of a firearm. It would also help them learn the laws in their state.

I don't see how psychological evaluations would be done on such a scale in a timely manner.

One would need to pay $800 for “firearm insurance.”

I understand the idea behind this, but I don't think it should be mandatory. Stricter laws on 'accidental' gun discharges as well as holding the gun owner responsible for the gun (including reporting it if stolen, or if a kid gets a hold of it) could have the same effect without the insurance.

It would enact extreme ammunition restrictions, including
a ban on magazines more than 10 rounds.

Not sure these work. It would be better just to keep track of people that buy large amounts of ammo and have the stores report it to the FBI.

Violating the above provisions could lead to a prison sentence
of up to 40 years and a fine of up to $150,000."

40 years? This has no chance of passing.

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