Baptismal regeneration?
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1 Peter 3:18-21
For Christ also died for sins once for all, the righteous for the unrighteous, that he might bring us to God, being put to death in the flesh but made alive in the spirit; in which he went and preached to the spirits in prison, who formerly did not obey, when God’s patience waited in the days of Noah, during the building of the ark, in which a few, that is, eight persons, were saved through water. Baptism, which corresponds to this, now saves you, not as a removal of dirt from the body but as an appeal to God for a clear conscience toward God. It saves you by the resurrection of Jesus Christ,
For Christ also died for sins once for all, the righteous for the unrighteous, that he might bring us to God, being put to death in the flesh but made alive in the spirit; in which he went and preached to the spirits in prison, who formerly did not obey, when God’s patience waited in the days of Noah, during the building of the ark, in which a few, that is, eight persons, were saved through water. Baptism, which corresponds to this, now saves you, not as a removal of dirt from the body but as an appeal to God for a clear conscience toward God. It saves you by the resurrection of Jesus Christ,
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Romans 6:1-11
Galatians 3:25-29
What shall we say then? Are we to continue in sin that grace may abound? By no means! How can we who died to sin still live in it? Do you not know that all of us who have been baptized into Christ Jesus were baptized into his death? We were buried therefore with him by baptism into death, so that as Christ was raised from the dead by the glory of the Father, we too might walk in newness of life.
For if we have been united with him in a death like his, we shall certainly be united with him in a resurrection like his. We know that our old self was crucified with him so that the sinful body might be destroyed, and we might no longer be enslaved to sin. For he who has died is freed from sin. But if we have died with Christ, we believe that we shall also live with him. For we know that Christ being raised from the dead will never die again; death no longer has dominion over him. The death he died he died to sin, once for all, but the life he lives he lives to God. So you also must consider yourselves dead to sin and alive to God in Christ Jesus.
For if we have been united with him in a death like his, we shall certainly be united with him in a resurrection like his. We know that our old self was crucified with him so that the sinful body might be destroyed, and we might no longer be enslaved to sin. For he who has died is freed from sin. But if we have died with Christ, we believe that we shall also live with him. For we know that Christ being raised from the dead will never die again; death no longer has dominion over him. The death he died he died to sin, once for all, but the life he lives he lives to God. So you also must consider yourselves dead to sin and alive to God in Christ Jesus.
Galatians 3:25-29
But now that faith has come, we are no longer under a custodian; for in Christ Jesus you are all sons of God, through faith. For as many of you as were baptized into Christ have put on Christ. There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither slave nor free, there is neither male nor female; for you are all one in Christ Jesus. And if you are Christ’s, then you are Abraham’s offspring, heirs according to promise.
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Acts 16:30-31
Then he brought them out and said, “Sirs, what must I do to be saved?” And they said, “Believe in the Lord Jesus, and you will be saved, you and your household.”
Eph. 2:8-9
For by grace you have been saved through faith. And this is not your own doing; it is the gift of God, not a result of works, so that no one may boast.
John 3:16
For God so loved the world, that he gave his only Son, that whoever believes in him should not perish but have eternal life.
John 3:36
Whoever believes in the Son has eternal life
John 5:24
Truly, truly, I say to you, whoever hears my word and believes him who sent me has eternal life. He does not come into judgment, but has passed from death to life.
John 6:40
For this is the will of my Father, that everyone who looks on the Son and believes in him should have eternal life, and I will raise him up on the last day.
1 Corinthians 1:21
For since, in the wisdom of God, the world did not know God through wisdom, it pleased God through the folly of what we preach to save those who believe.
Rom 4:5
However, to the one who does not work but trusts God who justifies the ungodly, their faith is credited as righteousness.
Rom. 11:6
And if by grace, then it cannot be based on works;
Then he brought them out and said, “Sirs, what must I do to be saved?” And they said, “Believe in the Lord Jesus, and you will be saved, you and your household.”
Eph. 2:8-9
For by grace you have been saved through faith. And this is not your own doing; it is the gift of God, not a result of works, so that no one may boast.
John 3:16
For God so loved the world, that he gave his only Son, that whoever believes in him should not perish but have eternal life.
John 3:36
Whoever believes in the Son has eternal life
John 5:24
Truly, truly, I say to you, whoever hears my word and believes him who sent me has eternal life. He does not come into judgment, but has passed from death to life.
John 6:40
For this is the will of my Father, that everyone who looks on the Son and believes in him should have eternal life, and I will raise him up on the last day.
1 Corinthians 1:21
For since, in the wisdom of God, the world did not know God through wisdom, it pleased God through the folly of what we preach to save those who believe.
Rom 4:5
However, to the one who does not work but trusts God who justifies the ungodly, their faith is credited as righteousness.
Rom. 11:6
And if by grace, then it cannot be based on works;
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If the intent of this post is to criticize the traditional doctrine of baptismal regeneration, please read the Statement of Purpose for this forum.
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Titus 3:5 Not by works of righteousness which we have done, but according to his mercy he saved us, by the washing of regeneration, and renewing of the Holy Ghost;
(MY NOTE: The term "washing of regeneration" is referring to spiritual regeneration/quickening, making you alive/born again. See Vine's Bible dictionary definition below & Strong's/G3824. To be clear, the term "washing of regeneration" is not referring to water baptism. The Greek word referring to baptism is baptismos (see Vines below & Strong's #909 find references below)
Vine's Expository Dictionary of New Testament Words: Regeneration - G3824
new birth" (palin, "again," genesis, "birth"), is used of "spiritual regeneration," Titus 3:5, involving the communication of a new life, the two operating powers to produce which are "the word of truth," James 1:18; 1 Peter 1:23, and the Holy Spirit, John 3:5-John 3:6; the loutron, "the laver, the washing," is explained in Ephesians 5:26, "having cleansed it by the washing (loutron) of water with the word."
Vine's Expository Dictionary of New Testament Words: Washing
[ 1,,G909, baptismos ]
denotes the act of washing, ablution," with special reference to purification, Mark 7:4 (in some texts, Mark 7:8); Hebrews 6:2, "baptisms;" Hebrews 9:10, "washings. See BAPTISM.
[ 2,,G3067, loutron ]
"a bath, a laver" (akin to louo, See above), is used metaphorically of the Word of God, as the instrument of spiritual cleansing, Ephesians 5:26; in Titus 3:5, of "the washing of regeneration" (See REGENERATION).
(MY NOTE: Ok, so water baptism & spiritual regeneration aren't the same thing. Only Christ (Matt 3:11) can spiritually regenerate/quicken = make you spiritually alive via the spiritual baptism with His indwelling Holy Spirit.
Eph 4:5 One Lord, one faith, one baptism
(MY NOTE: 1 Lord = Jesus, 1 faith in His sin atoning sacrifice & resurrection, 1 baptism = spiritual)
1 Cor 12:13 For by one Spirit are we all baptized into one body, whether we be Jews or Gentiles, whether we be bond or free; and have been all made to drink into one Spirit.
(NOTE: Translators capitalized Spirit to identify deity when referring the Holy Spirit. Only Christ can baptize with His indwelling Holy Spirit.)
Col 2:11 In whom also ye are circumcised with the circumcision """made without hands""", in putting off the body of the sins of the flesh by the circumcision of Christ:
(NOTE: The baptism of the Holy Spirit is a SPIRITUAL circumcision/covenant done without hands & without water)
Deut 30:6 (A) the Lord thy God will circumcise thine heart,
Rom 2:29 But he is a Jew, which is one inwardly; and circumcision is that of the heart, in the spirit, and not in the letter; whose praise is not of men, but of God.
(NOTE: Circumcision of the heart, in the spirit)
Decree Decree (Noun and Verb) - Vine's Expository Dictionary of New Testament Words DECREE - Definition from the KJV Dictionary
Finally:
We partake in Jesus water baptism decree after our spiritual regeneration.
Emblem: a symbolic representation of a particular quality or concept.
The salvation/sealing indwelling Holy Spirit you received is a spiritual circumcision of the heart & can only be preformed thru Jesus. Done without hands & without water
Christ gave 2 commandments:
Love God 1st & love your fellow believer (Matt 22:37-40) And 2 decrees water baptism (Matt 28:19) & partaking in the Lords Supper (1 Cor 11:1-34).
Believers should be lead to partake in both Christ given decrees.
Why water baptism? You are making an outward/public statement of you're inner spiritual change. You are stating/showing your belief in Jesus death (and stating you're dying to self to live for Christ) burial (when you're immersed) & resurrection (when you rise up out of the water)
Why partake in the Lords Supper? You are making a statement that you're remembering, Christ body, that was broken for your spiritual & physical health & Jesus shed blood whereby you received remission/pardon from ALL your sins. Peace JJ
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'Baptismal regeneration' must be defined since it means different things to different people:
What Is Baptismal Regeneration?
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