Is it Bible doctrine or religious feelings?

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Using Bible software I did a vocabulary search on some key words in the Revised Standard Version. It is interesting as I checked various words whether whole or in partial match. The number of occurrences through the whole Bible was enlightening.

Mind 217
Think 90
Thought 118
Reason 57
Rational 2

Feeling 0
Emotion 0
Passion 10

Of "passion", one of the 10 is the passion of the Christ; the remaining 9 are very interesting.

"A tranquil mind gives life to the flesh, but passion makes the bones rot." (Prov 14:30 RSV)
"...and the men likewise gave up natural relations with women and were consumed with passion for one another, men committing shameless acts with men and receiving in their own persons the due penalty for their error." (Rom 1:27 RSV)
"But if they cannot exercise self-control, they should marry. For it is better to marry than to be aflame with passion." (1Cor 7:9 RSV)
"Put to death therefore what is earthly in you: fornication, impurity, passion, evil desire, and covetousness, which is idolatry." (Col 3:5 RSV)
"...not in the passion of lust like heathen who do not know God;" (1Thess 4:5 RSV)
"by which he has granted to us his precious and very great promises, that through these you may escape from the corruption that is in the world because of passion, and become partakers of the divine nature." (2Pet 1:4 RSV)
"...and especially those who indulge in the lust of defiling passion and despise authority. Bold and wilful, they are not afraid to revile the glorious ones," (2Pet 2:10 RSV)
"Another angel, a second, followed, saying, 'Fallen, fallen is Babylon the great, she who made all nations drink the wine of her impure passion.'” (Rev 14:8 RSV)
"For all nations have drunk the wine of her impure passion, and the kings of the earth have committed fornication with her, and the merchants of the earth have grown rich with the wealth of her wantonness.” (Rev 18:3 RSV)

There is a real danger in being zealous based on feelings and emotions rather than rational thought:

"For I bear them record that they have a zeal of God, but not according to knowledge." (Rom 10:2 KJV)
 

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aModerant sir, guess when reading the bible your feelings or emotions do not matter when it comes to reading it, because of the truth. Truth blows right pasts feelings or emotions?

Thoughts?

Hebrews 4:12 For the word of God is alive and active. Sharper than any double-edged sword, it penetrates even to dividing soul and spirit, joints and marrow; it judges the thoughts and attitudes of the heart.
 
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aModerant sir, guess when reading the bible your feelings or emotions do not matter when it comes to reading it, because of the truth. Truth blows right pasts feelings or emotions?

Thoughts?

Hebrews 4:12 For the word of God is alive and active. Sharper than any double-edged sword, it penetrates even to dividing soul and spirit, joints and marrow; it judges the thoughts and attitudes of the heart.

I have found it true that our actions, feelings and emotions are formed by what we believe, our doctrine. If our doctrine is wrong, the actions, feelings and emotions formed by this doctrine will be wrong. There is an approach in common sense psychology called Rational-Emotive Behavioral Therapy (REBT) that is actually based on this idea. Irrational and false beliefs lead to the corresponding irrational feelings and actions.
 
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Yes . . . I understand you to be saying > we need to not go by feelings, in understanding God's word.

But it is possible for us to depend on logic and reason which are false, in how we interpret God's word.

Ones can dictate what is the reasonable understanding of a scripture. And they can be wrong.

So, also, I would say, we need to not be hasty to trust our thinking, possibly.

Because our character and motives might effect how we think, what we conclude.

But God might have us feeling . . . having feelings . . . of discomfort when we are wrong, though we do not have clear understanding why.

But yes I do find there is logic to all which is in God's word. But not all people consider my viewpoints to be logical or correct . . . of course :)

Therefore . . . I understand . . . I always need to keep trusting God to correct me however He knows that I need, better than I can know on my own.

Would it be on-topic, here, to discuss how "rest for your souls" can involve feelings? > Matthew 11:28-30 < I would say if Jesus says He gives us soul rest, then our self evaluation could include if we are doing things in His rest or not. We would be evaluating our feelings of rest or a troubled heart and mind, then, as part of knowing if we are acting in His will, possibly. Do you wish to get into this?

Also, we have how God's word says to put away things like anger and bitterness > so we can love, instead > Ephesians 4:31-32. So, I would think that we might evaluate how genuinely loving we are, by if we give in to things with their feelings, of anger and bitterness, among other things. Is this on-topic, here, to discuss?

And Hebrews 5:14 says mature children of God have "their senses exercised to discern both good and evil." I understand that senses can involve feeling and testing where emotions are taking us. Do you wish to deal with this as on-topic, here?
 
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Yes . . . I understand you to be saying > we need to not go by feelings, in understanding God's word.

But it is possible for us to depend on logic and reason which are false, in how we interpret God's word.

Ones can dictate what is the reasonable understanding of a scripture. And they can be wrong.

So, also, I would say, we need to not be hasty to trust our thinking, possibly.

Because our character and motives might effect how we think, what we conclude.

But God might have us feeling . . . having feelings . . . of discomfort when we are wrong, though we do not have clear understanding why.

But yes I do find there is logic to all which is in God's word. But not all people consider my viewpoints to be logical or correct . . . of course :)

Therefore . . . I understand . . . I always need to keep trusting God to correct me however He knows that I need, better than I can know on my own.

Would it be on-topic, here, to discuss how "rest for your souls" can involve feelings? > Matthew 11:28-30 < I would say if Jesus says He gives us soul rest, then our self evaluation could include if we are doing things in His rest or not. We would be evaluating our feelings of rest or a troubled heart and mind, then, as part of knowing if we are acting in His will, possibly. Do you wish to get into this?

Also, we have how God's word says to put away things like anger and bitterness > so we can love, instead > Ephesians 4:31-32. So, I would think that we might evaluate how genuinely loving we are, by if we give in to things with their feelings, of anger and bitterness, among other things. Is this on-topic, here, to discuss?

And Hebrews 5:14 says mature children of God have "their senses exercised to discern both good and evil." I understand that senses can involve feeling and testing where emotions are taking us. Do you wish to deal with this as on-topic, here?

It is true there is worldly wisdom, but there is factual wisdom and truth from God and one MUST be indwelt by the Holy Spirit to have the discernment to distinguish between them. Yet, even then, the holiest of men must fight against subjectivity and strive to be objective. There are ways to do this, and spending time in the study of hermeneutics is imperative if one is to stay on the right track. The best textbook of interpretation I know is also available online, for those interested, and I recommend it highly. It is not written by a Calvinist or Reformed, but I still find it the best for clear instruction on interpretation, and it is available to be studied online:

https://icotb.org/resources/PrinciplesofInterpretation.pdf

God's truth can make us joyful, contented, mournful over sin, etc.; but, the emotion received is deceptive if it is not based solidly on God's truth, not what we, with the aid of vain religious tradition, 'read into' the word of God.
 
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