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HARK! thanks for the thread.
To Raphael he said, “Go, Raphael, and bind Asael hand and foot, and cast him into the darkness; And make an opening in the wilderness that is in Doudael. 5 Throw him there, and lay beneath him sharp and jagged stones. And cover him with darkness, and let him dwell there for an exceedingly long time. Cover up his face, and let him not see the light. 6 And on the day of the great judgment, he will be led away to the burning conflagration.
Asael or Azazel depending on what version, is where you see the connection to the scapegoat or Azazel in Leviticus which was also sent into the desert/wilderness...
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la·‘ă·zā·zêl.
לַעֲזָאזֵֽל׃
for the scapegoat
[Lev 16:8, 26 NIV] 8 He is to cast lots for the two goats--one lot for the LORD and the other for the scapegoat. ... 26 "The man who releases the goat as a scapegoat must wash his clothes and bathe himself with water; afterward he may come into the camp.
[Lev 16:22 NIV] 22 The goat will carry on itself all their sins to a remote place; and the man shall release it in the wilderness.
...so yes this is a direct connection to the Holy Bible. see also.
Tartarus... [2Pe 2:4 NIV] 4 For if God did not spare angels when they sinned, but sent them to hell(tarturus), putting them in chains of darkness to be held for judgment;
[1Sa 17:4 NIV] 4 A champion named Goliath, who was from Gath, came out of the Philistine camp. His height was six cubits(That is, about 9 feet 9 inches or about 3 meters) and a span. So if Goliath was almost 10 foot tall, how tall where his ancestor Giants?
[Deu 3:11 NIV] 11 (Og king of Bashan was the last of the Rephaites. His bed was decorated with iron and was more than nine cubits long and four cubits wide (That is, about 14 feet long and 6 feet wide or about 4 meters long and 1.8 meters wide.) It is still in Rabbah of the Ammonites.) So how tall was he? So how tall were the anti-deluvian giants?
God bless.
There are different versions of 1 Enoch, some more clear than others.The book of Enoch is not in harmony with the rest of Scripture. Here are some examples:
Just like the Bible you shouldn't read out of context...According to Enoch, you can bind angels by throwing them into a hole in the desert.
To Raphael he said, “Go, Raphael, and bind Asael hand and foot, and cast him into the darkness; And make an opening in the wilderness that is in Doudael. 5 Throw him there, and lay beneath him sharp and jagged stones. And cover him with darkness, and let him dwell there for an exceedingly long time. Cover up his face, and let him not see the light. 6 And on the day of the great judgment, he will be led away to the burning conflagration.
Asael or Azazel depending on what version, is where you see the connection to the scapegoat or Azazel in Leviticus which was also sent into the desert/wilderness...
5799 [e]
la·‘ă·zā·zêl.
לַעֲזָאזֵֽל׃
for the scapegoat
[Lev 16:8, 26 NIV] 8 He is to cast lots for the two goats--one lot for the LORD and the other for the scapegoat. ... 26 "The man who releases the goat as a scapegoat must wash his clothes and bathe himself with water; afterward he may come into the camp.
[Lev 16:22 NIV] 22 The goat will carry on itself all their sins to a remote place; and the man shall release it in the wilderness.
...so yes this is a direct connection to the Holy Bible. see also.
Tartarus... [2Pe 2:4 NIV] 4 For if God did not spare angels when they sinned, but sent them to hell(tarturus), putting them in chains of darkness to be held for judgment;
The Jews?The Jews never accepted the book of Enoch into the canon of Tanakh nor into the Septuagint. That, in itself, is telling.
You watch too much History Channel.Well that depends on how you define Angels. In the bible its clear there are two types, supernatural types like the one who appeared to Mary and ones who appear to need technology to get around.
Prophesy, and maybe the first. Jubilees.4:18. “And he (Enoch) was the first to write a testimony, and he testified to the sons of men among the generations of the earth, and recounted the weeks of the jubilees, and made known to them the days of the years, and set in order the months and recounted the Sabbaths of the years as we made (them) known to him. 19. And what was and what will be he saw in a vision of his sleep, as it will happen to the children of men throughout their generations until the day of judgment; he saw and understood everything, and wrote his testimony, and placed the testimony on earth for all the children of men and for their generations”.Yahshua calls Enoch scripture
So the sons of Seth had sex with the beautiful daughters of Cain because the daughters of Seth were ugly?This is where all this business of the Nephilim come from. It claims they are the sons of human females and fallen male angels. Which is a total piece of baloney!
Some of your language is harsh and inapropriate, and I see no arguing here.You're free to believe whatever ypu want. I will stick to my bible. and have no desire to argue over such rubbish.
You can't take one version and make conclusions. Study it with other versions then make your conclusions. Have your read it all?Some of the contradictions that invalidate it as being inspired are:
Mighty men with 6 digits? [2Sa 21:19-20 NIV] 19 In another battle with the Philistines at Gob, Elhanan son of Jair the Bethlehemite killed the brother of Goliath the Gittite, who had a spear with a shaft like a weaver's rod. 20 In still another battle, which took place at Gath, there was a huge man with six fingers on each hand and six toes on each foot--twenty-four in all. He also was descended from Rapha.Mighty men (plural of man) .... not angels
[1Sa 17:4 NIV] 4 A champion named Goliath, who was from Gath, came out of the Philistine camp. His height was six cubits(That is, about 9 feet 9 inches or about 3 meters) and a span. So if Goliath was almost 10 foot tall, how tall where his ancestor Giants?
[Deu 3:11 NIV] 11 (Og king of Bashan was the last of the Rephaites. His bed was decorated with iron and was more than nine cubits long and four cubits wide (That is, about 14 feet long and 6 feet wide or about 4 meters long and 1.8 meters wide.) It is still in Rabbah of the Ammonites.) So how tall was he? So how tall were the anti-deluvian giants?
Your splitting hairs over minor translation issues. Have you read the whole book?I don’t read it as “Enoch” being the “Head of Days”.
Enoch is synoptic to Genesis. It fills the gaps that otherwise we just would be clueless.I'm not buying the angel/hybrid theory .... besides that book of Enoch does not harmonize with other scripture very well.
God bless.
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