Is Grandma in Heaven?

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Heaven.
The final destination is the new earth.
2 Peter 3:13
But according to his promise we are waiting for new heavens and a new earth in which righteousness dwells.
Heaven is like the waiting room for Christians.
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Wow. I like this take. Succinct, too. I believe there are some passages that indicate Heaven will eventually be here on earth. "the meek shall inherit" comes to mind but I but I believe there are even more than the one you've offered.
 
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Wow. I like this take. Succinct, too. I believe there are some passages that indicate Heaven will eventually be here on earth. "the meek shall inherit" comes to mind but I but I believe there are even more than the one you've offered.

Revelation 21:1-7
"Then I saw “a new heaven and a new earth,” for the first heaven and the first earth had passed away, and there was no longer any sea. I saw the Holy City, the new Jerusalem, coming down out of heaven from God, prepared as a bride beautifully dressed for her husband. And I heard a loud voice from the throne saying, “Look! God’s dwelling place is now among the people, and he will dwell with them. They will be his people, and God himself will be with them and be their God. ‘He will wipe every tear from their eyes. There will be no more death’ or mourning or crying or pain, for the old order of things has passed away.”

He who was seated on the throne said, “I am making everything new!” Then he said, “Write this down, for these words are trustworthy and true.”


He said to me: “It is done. I am the Alpha and the Omega, the Beginning and the End. To the thirsty I will give water without cost from the spring of the water of life. Those who are victorious will inherit all this, and I will be their God and they will be my children."
 
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Still its one rather nice waiting room. Less like what you might find at your accountants office and more along the lines of the First Class lounge on Emirates or Swiss, the sort of lounge with all you can eat caviar and bedrooms to sleep in between flights. :p

I of course am joking; unlike Islam we believe Heaven is devoid of mere carnal pleasures, but instead is a realm of joyous union with God.
Wait. No carnal pleasures? Aww, man. Where does it say that?
 
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I think that's rather common. I remember visiting an uncle of mine (the same man who came to tell me my own father had died, but who died himself a few months later), and he said he could see "Grandma" "over there". He was sort of pointing towards the far side of the hospital ward.

At the time I wasn't a Christian and I thought he was hallucinating from the painkillers they'd given him, plus the effects of the cancer. But there was an eerie sense in the room.

I think angels come to take us when we did if we're going to heaven or purgatory. But if we're going to hell, I think demons turn up. They are, after all, fallen angels.

I claim to have the peculiar experience of my own father turning up in the bedroom of the unit I was living in on the night he died himself, despite not knowing where I was living. I didn't want him to know.

I still remember he looked a bit surprised himself as he started to materialise near the door. I assume he'd either asked, or been told, to apologise to me for the years of cruelty he'd inflicted, which is what his opening words were about. No sooner had he asked or been told than he found himself in my room, despite not knowing where I was. He died a good ten miles away. I didn't find out for another four days in the normal fashion as his body wasn't found for four days, and the above mentioned uncle turned up.

The end of the episode was when he gave this absolutely blood curdling scream, and then just vanished. It was obvious that something was coming for him.

So I don't have any illusions whatsoever that the "particular judgment" takes place immediately after death. In fact if I'd had the presence of mind to note the time, I think I could have given a very accurate time of death.

We had quite a conversation and I still remember most of it 42 years later as at January just gone.

The spiritual world is quite different to ours. They've only got to think about something, or be given their marching orders, and it happens immediately. Everything we do takes time - it's not that way for spiritual beings.

I'm not the only one by the way. An elderly lady I met via my last job told me something similar happened to her. Her husband had a brain embolism, and he only was being kept alive by machines. He was dying.

The hospital staff had already told her they were going to turn off the machines the next day, and if he couldn't breath, he'd die.

But that night something "white" sat on the end of the bed. She said she was freaking out, and wondered what the hell was going on! But then it spoke and she immediately knew the voice. It was her husband and he'd come to apologise for the way he'd treated her.

Interestingly, their eldest daughter had the very same experience. Apparently he'd been very abusive to her as well, far more so than the other children.

So he was sent to apologise to both of them. Obviously he'd died that night before they got around to turning off the machines.

I don't know how the episode ended, and I don't think it was as dramatic as my experience with my father screaming his spiritual head off about six feet away and then disappearing into eternity. But it was still similar.

Our personal judgement takes place immediately after death. No question.

PS - Our of sheer curiosity I checked the distance from the unit where my father died to where I was living at the time. Both buildings still exist as far as I know.

According to Google Maps, it would have taken about 21 minutes and 17.5km by road, via what we call the M7 (tunnel) and the Airport Link (also via a tunnel), neither of which existed back then, so it would have been further and taken longer in those days. It was probably about 16kms in a straight line or thereabouts, which is close to 10 miles.

He found himself in my room immediately but he didn't know where I lived, as I'd made of point of not telling him. I loathed him. And amongst the things he said was "Son, you have to forgive me! ... If you don't you'll destroy yourself!"
This is a fascinating story, Bob. Careful what you wish for, I suppose, but I'd like to experience something like this. Supernatural, I guess would be the word. Ironically, I just posted a response saying that Jesus is the only one who appeared after death, but as you said, there are others that have had this type of experience.
 
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I believe that heaven is obtainable now.....and after you obtain it, you pass from death to life.....never to die again.

"And whosoever liveth and believeth in me shall never die. Believest thou this?"

Therefore, even though it may appear to us, that one has died, they, themselves, have not experienced death....and are living as they were before...

For those who have not obtained heaven in this life....the story is a little different....but, base on your OP, this case does not apply, so I wont waste time on it.
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that's an interesting take. I don't rule it out. I admitted in my introductory post that I've somewhat recently began experiencing a severe case of depression, so my thinking my be a little distorted, but I've been considering the idea that heaven and hell is right here on earth. 'Cuz this (depression) feels like hell, literally. Only thing missing is the actual fire. So, in your belief, how would one know if they've obtained Heaven? I'd also like to tentatively ask if you've already entered heaven yourself, but I understand this is personal, so I understand if you want to ignore this particular question.
 
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I think she can be in paradise. And I believe it may be the other place where people wait for the judgment day. The other place is Hades.

Jesus said to him, "Assuredly I tell you, today you will be with me in Paradise."
Luke 23:43
thanks forthe reply, 1213.
So my assumption is that by Hades you mean Hell. Only people not worthy of Heaven are sent there. Ok, I can respect your take, but I'm wondering what's to judge if the people in Hades can't get into heaven?
 
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From what I've been able to tell, the spirits of the dead prior to the Second Coming go to Hades, the place of the dead. Some translations render Hades as "hell," but Hades itself seems to be neutral, separated into two places for the saved and unsaved. This is what I get from Luke 16:19-31.

At the Second Coming, the bodies of the dead are raised (suggesting the spirits are reunited with their bodies) and then go to heaven or hell (John 5:28-29). This is how I've understood it, anyway.
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Ok. But i gotta say, in reading the passage you offer from Luke, it seems like the rich man is in Hell to me. That's just my take, though. No right or wrong answer on this one.
 
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Revelation 21:1-7
"Then I saw “a new heaven and a new earth,” for the first heaven and the first earth had passed away, and there was no longer any sea. I saw the Holy City, the new Jerusalem, coming down out of heaven from God, prepared as a bride beautifully dressed for her husband. And I heard a loud voice from the throne saying, “Look! God’s dwelling place is now among the people, and he will dwell with them. They will be his people, and God himself will be with them and be their God. ‘He will wipe every tear from their eyes. There will be no more death’ or mourning or crying or pain, for the old order of things has passed away.”

He who was seated on the throne said, “I am making everything new!” Then he said, “Write this down, for these words are trustworthy and true.”


He said to me: “It is done. I am the Alpha and the Omega, the Beginning and the End. To the thirsty I will give water without cost from the spring of the water of life. Those who are victorious will inherit all this, and I will be their God and they will be my children."
Thanks, Jeshu.
 
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Some manmade denominational churches do teach what what you have believed to be true. But no Christian on Earth ever heard of that idea until the past couple of hundred years. Jesus Christ founded one Church, said it was to remain one, and promised that one Church "The Holy Spirit will guide you into all truth", and "Whatsoever you bind upon Earth is bound in Heaven", and "He who hears you hears Me". I'm sure you realize this if you read the Bible. That one Church has consistently taught for 2,000 years that we are judged as saved or not saved at the moment of our biological death, and allowed to go to whichever eternal existence we have freely chosen during our life on Earth - Heaven or Hell.
 
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At funerals they say “She’s in a better place now”. But what I find in the Bible is that Jesus is coming back to judge the living and the Dead. And as far as I know, we’re all still waiting, so judgment day has yet to occur. So where’s Grandma?

(Please no responses regarding Grandma’s judgment. That’s not the intent of the question. For the sake of this post, let’s assume Grandma has met the requirements to get into heaven)
Isn't that what they mean by " Rest in peace?" Aren't they resting until judgement Day? When Lazarus died Jesus said he was " sleeping".
 
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At funerals they say “She’s in a better place now”. But what I find in the Bible is that Jesus is coming back to judge the living and the Dead. And as far as I know, we’re all still waiting, so judgment day has yet to occur. So where’s Grandma?

(Please no responses regarding Grandma’s judgment. That’s not the intent of the question. For the sake of this post, let’s assume Grandma has met the requirements to get into heaven)

Just to make sure I am connecting to the original question, I can assure you on the basis of Scripture that your grandma is in heaven in the presence of God though not in body for that will only be after the resurrection.

Firstly, as you have been told the Scripture says, "Absent from the body, present with the Lord."

We can understand what this means when we go to the parable of the rich man and Lazarus. Both died and both still existed, apparently in a recognisable form. One was in a place of comfort known as Abraham's bosom and the other in hell where he felt torment and discomfort. To understand how one enters Abraham's bosom you must remember that the just live by faith. Abraham is the father of faith. Those who were in this place are called prisoners of hope by the Scripture.

Between Christ's death and resurrection this place [sometimes called paradise] was taken to heaven as it says that he led captivity captive. The believing dead who waited for the manifestation of God's salvation were seen alive as proof of this. Now they are in heaven but their state is unchanged: they are without the resurrected body that we all will receive at the coming of our Lord Jesus when the dead in Christ will rise first [that is: receive their heavenly body] and we who still live will be transformed [putting off corruption and putting on incorruption] and together we will be with the Lord.

At this time those who belong to Christ and have died are with him but without the body for they have put off corruption by death and are absent from their body but present with the Lord waiting for the resurrection.

Know this: everyone is made up of three parts and the central part is the soul. We are all souls.

Man is a soul, has a body, and has a spirit. There is Scriptural evidence for this.

1. Jesus considered it utterly fatal for one to lose their soul. "What shall it profit a man if he gain the whole world and lose his soul."

2. Scripture tell us that the spirit in man is the candle of the Lord and, when we die, the spirit goes back to God who gave it. Proverbs 20:27 & Ecclesiastes 12:7.

3. It is the soul that is given redemption and it is souls that John saw in heaven as exampled in Revelation 6:9. See also 1 Peter 4:19.

So your grandma is now absent from the body and her soul [her being] is present with the Lord awaiting that beautiful day when we all get to heaven in our new incorruptible bodies even as Job said, "I shall see him in my flesh."Job 19:25 & 26.
 
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At funerals they say “She’s in a better place now”. But what I find in the Bible is that Jesus is coming back to judge the living and the Dead. And as far as I know, we’re all still waiting, so judgment day has yet to occur. So where’s Grandma?

(Please no responses regarding Grandma’s judgment. That’s not the intent of the question. For the sake of this post, let’s assume Grandma has met the requirements to get into heaven)

Study the end of Luke 16 about Lazarus and the rich man. Jesus showed that Paradise has two sides, one where the saints go, and the other side is hell where the wicked go. There is a great-gulf fixed border between the two sides so neither can go to the side of the other.

When the malefactor who believed asked Lord Jesus to remember him, Jesus told him that day he would be with Him in Paradise. So that's where we go at flesh death.
 
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Furthermore, Ecclesiastes 12:5-7 reveals our flesh goes back to the earth where it came from, but our spirit goes back to God Who gave it when we die. Flesh is one thing, spirit is another. God's Word defines only 2 different dimensions of existence, this earthly one, and the heavenly one where He dwells. Eccl.12 also mentions about a "silver cord", that when it is severed, that's when the flesh and spirit separate at flesh death, and go their separate ways.

In Matthew 10:28, Lord Jesus showed our soul continues on if someone kills our flesh body. So that means our spirit and soul are attached to each other, and go back to The Father in the heavenly at flesh death. The asleep saints idea is a metaphor for those promised eternal Life through Christ. It's because those never die, like Jesus said, so being asleep is used as a symbol to represent that. They are not literally asleep in a casket in the ground. Their rewards are not yet, so they wait.

In 2 Corinthians 5, Apostle Paul taught that if our tabernacle house were dissolved, we have a building of God, a house not made with hands, eternal in the heavens. That's about our 'spirit' body that is loosed from our flesh body at flesh death.

 
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Study the end of Luke 16 about Lazarus and the rich man. Jesus showed that Paradise has two sides, one where the saints go, and the other side is hell where the wicked go. There is a great-gulf fixed border between the two sides so neither can go to the side of the other.

When the malefactor who believed asked Lord Jesus to remember him, Jesus told him that day he would be with Him in Paradise. So that's where we go at flesh death.
 
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thanks for the reply, Kilk1.
Ok. But i gotta say, in reading the passage you offer from Luke, it seems like the rich man is in Hell to me. That's just my take, though. No right or wrong answer on this one.
Luke 16:23 says he was in Hades. I understand Hades to be the place where dead spirits go. In Revelation 20:14, Death and Hades are cast into "the lake of fire." Assuming we agree that the lake of fire is hell, would this prove that hell and Hades are different, since Hades is spoken of as being cast into the lake of fire rather than being the lake of fire?
 
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...So my assumption is that by Hades you mean Hell. Only people not worthy of Heaven are sent there. Ok, I can respect your take, but I'm wondering what's to judge if the people in Hades can't get into heaven?

No, in Bible Hades is sometimes translated hell, but there is also word Gehenna that is translated to mean hell. Hades is not the same thing, because in the end Hades is thrown into the fire lake, that is the Gehenna.

…Death and Hades gave up the dead who were in them. They were judged, each one according to his works. Death and Hades were thrown into the lake of fire. This is the second death, the lake of fire. If anyone was not found written in the book of life, he was cast into the lake of fire.
Revelation 20:12-15

…Gehenna, into the unquenchable fire,
Mark 9:43

But, I agree, if person is in Hades, I think he is already judged and then the judgment day is only the day when the final judgment is declared. Reason why I think the judgment has already happened is this:

He who believes in him is not judged. He who doesn't believe has been judged already, because he has not believed in the name of the one and only Son of God.
John 3:18

This is the judgment, that the light has come into the world, and men loved the darkness rather than the light; for their works were evil. For everyone who does evil hates the light, and doesn't come to the light, lest his works would be exposed. But he who does the truth comes to the light, that his works may be revealed, that they have been done in God."
John 3:19-21
 
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At funerals they say “She’s in a better place now”. But what I find in the Bible is that Jesus is coming back to judge the living and the Dead. And as far as I know, we’re all still waiting, so judgment day has yet to occur. So where’s Grandma?

(Please no responses regarding Grandma’s judgment. That’s not the intent of the question. For the sake of this post, let’s assume Grandma has met the requirements to get into heaven)
Historically the church has taught that, whatever our destinies, they're determined the moment we die- and we enter that place or state at that moment. This is sometimes called the "particular judgment". There is also said to be a final judgment at the end of time, which is taught thusly by a teaching I'm familiar with:
1040 The Last Judgment will come when Christ returns in glory. Only the Father knows the day and the hour; only He determines the moment of its coming. Then through His Son Jesus Christ he will pronounce the final word on all history. We shall know the ultimate meaning of the whole work of creation and of the entire economy of salvation and understand the marvelous ways by which His Providence led everything towards its final end. The Last Judgment will reveal that God's justice triumphs over all the injustices committed by His creatures and that God's love is stronger than death.
 
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The Eastern Orthodox have an interesting take on this question. Most of them seem to believe that we experience of measure of Heaven or Hell when we die, but that the fullness of our experience does not take place until Jesus returns.
 
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This is a fascinating story, Bob. Careful what you wish for, I suppose, but I'd like to experience something like this. Supernatural, I guess would be the word. Ironically, I just posted a response saying that Jesus is the only one who appeared after death, but as you said, there are others that have had this type of experience.

My guess is that over the centuries millions of people have had some sort of "supernatural" experience.

In most cases, like that of my father appearing in my room the night he died, I'd imagine it was completely unexpected.
 
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I've been considering the idea that heaven and hell is right here on earth.

In the beginning, God created the heavens and the earth..... I have not yet found the origin of a Hell.

So, in your belief, how would one know if they've obtained Heaven?

To be short...one knows it is obtained, when they no longer have this question. But maybe obtain is the wrong word.....It is moreso a revelation of Truth... A revelation revealed to those He choses, at a time when they are ready for it.

"And ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free."

I'd also like to tentatively ask if you've already entered heaven yourself, but I understand this is personal, so I understand if you want to ignore this particular question.

You are right, I find little pleasure in talking about what I may or may not have obtained....Rather, I find joy in planting seeds that may, in time, spring up unto everlasting life. But I will say this:

"Neither shall they say, Lo here! or, lo there! for, behold, the kingdom of God is within you."
 
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