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disciple Clint said:

Past trends would indicate that they will.

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How will they become more politically conservative? They aren't becoming more active in traditional religion as they settle down and form families.

FireDragon76 said:

How will they become more politically conservative? They aren't becoming more active in traditional religion as they settle down and form families.

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They will get tried of paying for all the progressive programs that no longer benefit them.

disciple Clint said:

They will get tried of paying for all the progressive programs that no longer benefit them.

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I don't know, cutting benefits for military retirees isn't particularly popular among any demographic that I know of.

Oh, wait, is just assuming younger people are dumb enough to fall for the far-right fairy tales about welfare queens and such?

disciple Clint said:

They will get tried of paying for all the progressive programs that no longer benefit them.

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That’s quite telling that you phrase it that way.

The thing about liberals is that almost by definition they care about other people enough to try to make changes.

That does not go away. They way you put it current conservatives have only ever cared about what they can get for themselves.

Hoist by your own petard.

KCfromNC said:

I don't know, cutting benefits for military retirees isn't particularly popular among any demographic that I know of.

Oh, wait, is just assuming younger people are dumb enough to fall for the far-right fairy tales about welfare queens and such?

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There must be a well hidden point there some place.

disciple Clint said:

There must be a well hidden point there some place.

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I'm sure most people don't consider it "well hidden".

Larnievc said:

That’s quite telling that you phrase it that way.

The thing about liberals is that almost by definition they care about other people enough to try to make changes.

That does not go away. They way you put it current conservatives have only ever cared about what they can get for themselves.

Hoist by your own petard.

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Larnievc said:

Hoist by your own petard.

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Margaret Thatcher once said that "The trouble with Socialism is that eventually you run out of other people's money."

disciple Clint said:

They will get tried of paying for all the progressive programs that no longer benefit them.

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Not likely, since most of those programs benefit large segments of the US population collectively.

Once you lose the religious nationalist ideology, American conservativism makes less and less sense.

disciple Clint said:

They will get tried of paying for all the progressive programs that no longer benefit them.

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Really? I will? Because the progressive policies that I advocate for generally offer zero direct benefit to me already. I'm not on welfare, I make WELL above minimum wage, I don't have a lot of student debt, I get healthcare coverage through my employer, etc. I'm happy to use some of my excess dollars to help fund programs that benefit those less fortunate.

disciple Clint said:

They will get tried of paying for all the progressive programs that no longer benefit them.

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so in other words they will be selfish? are you saying that the right and old people are selfish? ...actually that tracks fairly well with how the right really seems to want to kill the safety nets that helped them do well.

and yes people as they get older become more conservative, but their beliefs and goals don't shift, they just stay where they are while society shifts.

disciple Clint said:

Margaret Thatcher once said that "The trouble with Socialism is that eventually you run out of other people's money."

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And Basil Brush once said “Boom! Boom!”

See? I’m as good, if not better than you at non sequiturs.

RocksInMyHead said:

Really? I will? Because the progressive policies that I advocate for generally offer zero direct benefit to me already. I'm not on welfare, I make WELL above minimum wage, I don't have a lot of student debt, I get healthcare coverage through my employer, etc. I'm happy to use some of my excess dollars to help fund programs that benefit those less fortunate.

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That’s pretty much where I am, too.

And I also favour wealth redistribution to support those not so lucky.

And I’m nearly 50.

disciple Clint said:

Yes because younger people believe the lie that they can get something for nothing, they want all the free things they can get and then later when they find out they are paying higher taxes, things are costing more every year, good paying jobs are hard to find and they have less money in their pocket, they become conservatives.

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This is not true. We don't vote for better healthcare, education and the so called free things. So we can get things for nothing.We know taxes are a good thing , because it helps on my needed services.

disciple Clint said:

Funny thing the Older Population keeps getting replenished. Older more mature people who have an abundance of acquired knowledge and wisdom have always tended to be conservative.

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Is there evidence that people change their political positions/views as they age?

pitabread said:

Is there evidence that people change their political positions/views as they age?

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I've seen conflicting evidence. This is a recent study.

Folk wisdom has long held that people become more politically conservative as they grow older, although several empirical studies suggest political attitudes are stable across time. Using data from the Michigan Youth-Parent Socialization Panel Study, we analyze attitudinal change over a major portion of the adult life span. We document changes in party identification, self-reported ideology, and selected issue positions over this time period and place these changes in context by comparing them with contemporaneous national averages. Consistent with previous research but contrary to folk wisdom, our results indicate that political attitudes are remarkably stable over the long term. In contrast to previous research, however, we also find support for folk wisdom: on those occasions when political attitudes do shift across the life span, liberals are more likely to become conservatives than conservatives are to become liberals, suggesting that folk wisdom has some empirical basis even as it overstates the degree of change.

I guess I’m an oddball. I’ve become more liberal. Partly through seeing where conservatism has been going.

pitabread said:

Is there evidence that people change their political positions/views as they age?

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I would say people become more conservative, but only in that the beliefs they grew up with are the ones they hold onto. Our generation will accept gays when were older, but there might be some new rights issue that we don't support as much. Least my understanding.

hedrick said:

I guess I’m an oddball. I’ve become more liberal. Partly through seeing where conservatism has been going.

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Me too. When I was at uni I was quite right wing.

pitabread said:

Is there evidence that people change their political positions/views as they age?

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I am sure some do, however it doesn't appear typical. Some political tendencies are based on character traits (like authoritarianism) that may be partly biological in origin and resist dramatic change.

The notion that young millenials will get more conservative as they settle down has no evidence to back it up. Millenial's secularism and liberalism is holding its own as they settle down into families. Biden won by an overwhelming majority among this group.

Larnievc said:

Me too. When I was at uni I was quite right wing.

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I've become no less moderate in my views, though at one time I was much more left-wing than I am now. Now, I'm very skeptical of politics in general in the western world (I believe the West's hegemony is finished and the 20th century is going to belong to China), but I'm no friend of the Right.