WHY THE LORD'S DAY IS NOT SUNDAY

Victor in Christ said:

1 Corinthians 9:20-22

became a Jew to the Jews, a Gentile to the Gentiles and weak to those who were weak in understanding....all for Christ and the glory of God.

Paul literally became like those above to win some over to Christ. He attended the Jewish feasts to show they all pointed to Christ and were shadows and types of Christ. In Acts 20, Paul after attending Passover, broke bread (communion) the next Sabbath to show it symbolised Christ's body being broken for us, then he preached until mid-night (into the 8th day) which is our 1st day of the week (all mentioned in the NT, in Revelation John calls it the Lord's day)).

Ezra stood at the watergate in the old Testament, preached on the 1st day of the week (the Israelites 8th day). The Hanukkah menorah was lit for 8 days. Christ stood up on the 8th day and cried unto the Israelites John 7:37. There's many depictions of Christ in the Jewish celebrations that picture Christ and relate to their 8th day, ( a Christians 1st day of the week)

Keep in mind Genesis 1, a day with God begins on the evening. We can see all that in scripture relating to Christ's ressurection at the end of the 7th day. Mary came to the tomb on the 8th day and the diciples witnessed that Christ had risen. Amen and endless Hallelujahs

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Where in the scripture does it say the Lords day is the first day of the week? Three places in scriptures JESUS says He is Lord of the Sabbath Matthew 12:8, Mark 2:28, and Luke 6:5 and the Sabbath is clearly defined as the seventh day. Exodus 20-8-11

The Lord clearly says the first day is a working day, its not Holy or Gods Sabbath.

imge said:

Where in the scripture does it say the Lords day is the first day of the week? Three places in scriptures JESUS says He is Lord of the Sabbath Matthew 12:8, Mark 2:28, and Luke 6:5 and the Sabbath is clearly defined as the seventh day. Exodus 20-8-11

The Lord clearly says the first day is a working day, its not Holy or Gods Sabbath.

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Christ was a Prophet describing himself to the Israelites as the passover lamb to be slayan/broken and bruised when he was speaking in the verses you quoted and Lord Jehovah over the Jewish Sabbath. He's now our High Priest and King of kings having died for our sins and risen to sit at the right hand of the Father. And he rise on the end of the Jewish Sabbath, the evening being the start of the 8th day ( a Christians 1st day of the week)

read over my post above and study it please.

Don't let the beggarly elements of Sinai drag you back into bondage, when Christ offered the sprinkling of his blood for our sins in Hebrews 12 + 13 to put us at liberty to go forward unto mount Zion, onwards and upwards.

God Bless.

Victor in Christ said:

Christ was a Prophet describing himself to the Israelites as the passover lamb to be slayan/broken and bruised when he was speaking in the verses you quoted and Lord Jehovah over the Jewish Sabbath. He's now our High Priest and King of kings having died for our sins and risen to sit at the right hand of the Father. And he rise on the end of the Jewish Sabbath, the evening being the start of the 8th day ( a Christians 1st day of the week)

read over my post above and study it please.

Don't let the beggarly elements of Sinai drag you back into bondage, when Christ offered the sprinkling of his blood for our sins in Hebrews 12 + 13 to put us at liberty to go forward unto mount Zion, onwards and upwards.

God Bless.

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I have and I am still searching for the scripture where Jesus transferred His Holy day from the seventh day to the first day and I don't see it. That sure doesn't make sense why He would change His Sabbath to Sunday and than change it back again in Heaven

Isaiah 66:23 And it shall come to pass
That from one New Moon to another,
And from one Sabbath to another,
All flesh shall come to worship before Me,” says the Lord.

There is no scripture stating the Holy Sabbath is the first day of the week. God in fact calls the first day a working day, nothing Holy about it.
Exodus 20:8
8 "Remember the Sabbath day, to keep it holy.
9 Six days you shall labor and do all your work,
10 but the seventh day is the Sabbath of the Lord your God. In it you shall do no work: you, nor your son, nor your daughter, nor your male servant, nor your female servant, nor your cattle, nor your stranger who is within your gates.
11 For in six days the Lord made the heavens and the earth, the sea, and all that is in them, and rested the seventh day. Therefore the Lord blessed the Sabbath day and hallowed it.

The Bible references Sabbath around 170 times in both New and Old testaments. It references the first day 8 times and words like Holy, Blessed, Sacred Remember are only mentioned about the seventh day. Should we obey God or the traditions of man?

This verse is rather fitting:

Mathew 15

‘These people draw near to Me with their mouth,
And honor Me with their lips,
But their heart is far from Me.
9 And in vain they worship Me,
Teaching as doctrines the commandments of men.’ ”

imge said:

I have and I am still searching for the scripture where Jesus transferred His Holy day from the seventh day to the first day and I don't see it. That sure doesn't make sense why He would change His Sabbath to Sunday and than change it back again in Heaven

Isaiah 66:23 And it shall come to pass
That from one New Moon to another,
And from one Sabbath to another,
All flesh shall come to worship before Me,” says the Lord.

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That speaks of a promise that Israel of old will worship Christ.

imge said:

There is no scripture stating the Holy Sabbath is the first day of the week. God in fact calls the first day a working day, nothing Holy about it.
Exodus 20:8
8 "Remember the Sabbath day, to keep it holy.
9 Six days you shall labor and do all your work,
10 but the seventh day is the Sabbath of the Lord your God. In it you shall do no work: you, nor your son, nor your daughter, nor your male servant, nor your female servant, nor your cattle, nor your stranger who is within your gates.
11 For in six days the Lord made the heavens and the earth, the sea, and all that is in them, and rested the seventh day. Therefore the Lord blessed the Sabbath day and hallowed it.

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Why are you stuck in the OT regarding days, months, seasons etc? Are there people dragging you back to Sinai or what is the issue? Paul warns you not to in Hebrews 12 and 13.

please re-read my post on the Jewish 8th day ( a Christians 1st day of the week), which John in Revelation calls the Lord's day. Christ didn't do away with the 10 commandments he fulfilled them.

Victor in Christ said:

That speaks like a promise that Israel of old will worship Christ.



Why are you stuck in the OT regarding days, months, seasons etc? Are there people dragging you back to Sinai or what is the issue?

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Are you saying there is a different God from the old testament to the new? I believe in all of the commandments of God including the one commandment God starts with Remember which is ironically the one most seem to want to forget.

imge said:

Are you saying there is a different God from the old testament to the new? I believe in all of the commandments of God including the one commandment God starts with Remember which is ironically the one most seem to want to forget.

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Do you think i'm a Pharoah of many gods? If you can't understand that Christ rose on the evening of the Jewish Sabbath to ascend to the right hand of the Father, i pray for you, because i fear you will be dragged back into the beggarly elements (that a faithful servant of Christ was), like Barnabas. Remember Paul and Silas separated from Barnabas and John Mark over similar issues which came from those who were more zealous for the law of Moses than the liberty in Christ our Saviour. They knew of Christ, but they truly didn't KNOW him personally as their saviour.

God Bless.

Victor in Christ said:

Do you think i'm a Pharoah of many gods? If you can't understand that Christ rose on the evening of the Jewish Sabbath to ascend to the right hand of the Father, i pray for you, because i fear you will be dragged back to the beggarly elements that even a faithful servant of Christ like Barnabas was.

God Bless.

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I'm not sure what Jesus rising has to do with what day God designated as His Holy day. We are supposed to go by scripture. There are 170 verses in the Bible that talk about the Sabbath. This is the day God designated His Holy day. The Roman Catholic church takes credit for changing Gods Sabbath to Sunday, not Jesus, and with no Biblical authority. The day has not changed and is still Saturday. I would be more than happy to provide you quotes from the Catholic church.

I am still waiting for any evidence where Jesus said His Sabbath or Holy day is the first day. Don't you want to know for sure the day He Blessed, made Holy is Sacred and asked us to Remember not the one changed by mans tradition. Who benefits when we do not worship Him on His Holy day? What do you think Satan's greatest deception is where is will deceive most? Seems obvious to me.

Mathew 15
9‘These people draw near to Me with their mouth,
And honor Me with their lips,
But their heart is far from Me.
9 And in vain they worship Me,
Teaching as doctrines the commandments of men.’ ”

I am not the one to feel sorry for. It's people who refuse to go by the Bible in favor of what has been changed by man. The Sabbath is meant to be a blessing from God.

imge said:

I'm not sure what Jesus rising has to do with what day God designated as His Holy day. We are supposed to go by scripture. There are 170 verses in the Bible that talk about the Sabbath. This is the day God designated His Holy day. The Roman Catholic church takes credit for changing Gods Sabbath to Sunday, not Jesus, and with no Biblical authority. The day has not changed and is still Saturday. I would be more than happy to provide you quotes from the Catholic church.

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I'll leave you with something. Remember Christ had to obey every law, etc he made which included the laws of the High Priests, Pharasees, etc to die on the cross for us.

What is the Jewish law for burial? Deuteronomy 21:22-23 Christ who took on our sins had to go through all that suffering for us to squabble over a Saturday and Sunday on a forum. Christ will be our judge.

Victor in Christ said:

I'll leave you with something. Remember Christ had to obey every law, etc he made which included the laws of the High Priests, Pharasees, etc to die on the cross for us.

was it lawful for a body to hang on the cross on a Jewish Sabbath?

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Is this your way of saying you have no scripture to support Gods Holy day is the first day of the week?

Jesus kept the commdmants of God and asked us to do the same.

John 15:10 If you keep My commandments, you will abide in My love; just as I have kept My Father’s commandments and abide in His love.

imge said:

Is this your way of saying you have no scripture to support Gods Holy day is the first day of the week?

Jesus kept the commdmants of God and asked us to do the same.

John 15:10 If you keep My commandments, you will abide in My love; just as I have kept My Father’s commandments and abide in His love.

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There are 12 commandments, the 10 of sinai have to be obeyed, but their obedience does not guarantee salvation. I disagree with your Saturday though and i gave you enough information to reflect upon.

Victor in Christ said:

There are 12 commandments, the 10 of sinai have to be obeyed. I disagree with your Saturday though and i gave you enough information to reflect upon.

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You have given no scriptural evidence, just a lot of opinions. Also, its very clear the commandments of God are 10, not 12.
Exodus 34:20 So he was there with the Lord forty days and forty nights; he neither ate bread nor drank water. And He wrote on the tablets the words of the covenant, the Ten Commandments.

Found here Exodus 20.

I hope this helps.

imge said:

You have given no scriptural evidence, just a lot of opinions. Also, its very clear the commandments of God are 10, not 12.
Exodus 34:20 So he was there with the Lord forty days and forty nights; he neither ate bread nor drank water. And He wrote on the tablets the words of the covenant, the Ten Commandments.

Found here Exodus 20.

I hope this helps.

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Matthew 22:37-39

Romans 14:12

imge said:

The Lord clearly says the first day is a working day, its not Holy or Gods Sabbath.

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We celebrate the 8th day, on which Christ rose from the dead, not the 1st day.
Christ fulfilled the Sabbath by resting in the tomb, but then He rose from the dead on the 8th day which is a new day, a day without sunset, an eternal day. Those who are baptised in Christ have risen in Him and are now in the 8th day. We have passed beyond the shadows of the Old Testament which pointed to Christ's life giving death and resurrection.

Victor in Christ said:

Matthew 22:37-39

Romans 14:12

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Mathew 22: 37-39 is the 10 commandments summarized. The first 4 is how we are to love and obey God and the last 6 how we are to love each other.

If you read the whole chapter of Romans you will see its talking about the feasts days food, drink etc. which again has nothing to do with Gods eternal commdmants. There is nothing in the commandments about food or drink.

Revelation tells us its important to not only keep the commandants of God but to do them like the second covenant Hebrews 10:16 “This is the covenant that I will make with them after those days, says the LORD: I will put My laws into their hearts, and in their minds I will write them,”

Revelation 22:14 Blessed are they that do His commandments, that they may have right to the tree of life, and may enter in through the gates into the city.

prodromos said:

We celebrate the 8th day, on which Christ rose from the dead, not the 1st day.
Christ fulfilled the Sabbath by resting in the tomb, but then He rose from the dead on the 8th day which is a new day, a day without sunset, an eternal day. Those who are baptised in Christ have risen in Him and are now in the 8th day. We have passed beyond the shadows of the Old Testament which pointed to Christ's life giving death and resurrection.

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Please provide scripture where God or Jesus states He transferred His Holy day from the seventh to the first? God made a really big deal about His Sabbath day being kept Holy, so if He was going to change it to the first or eight day however you wish to call it, there would be some clear commandment to do so. Please provide that.

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If you are asking if I have sinned, yes I have. But when I break any of the commandants of God I will ask for forgiveness and will try harder. What we can't do on our own God can help, but He gives us free will to make decisions. I ask God what His will is and for His help to keep His will, not my own. He promises us the Holy Spirit to help keep His commdmants and to help keep His will. We have a wonderful God and He wants to bless each of us. He asks for so little in return.

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imge said:

If you are asking if I have sinned, yes I have. But when I break any of the commandants of God I will ask for forgiveness and will try harder. What we can't do on our own God can help, but He gives us free will to make decisions. I ask God what His will is and for His help to keep His will, not my own. He promises us the Holy Spirit to help keep His commdmants and to help keep His will. We have a wonderful God and He wants to bless each of us. He asks for so little in return.

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i did quote scripture

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Victor in Christ said:

i did quote scripture

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Where I missed it? I don't see any quotes from God or Jesus saying where they transferred the seventh day Sabbath to the first day as His new Holy day. Where is that scripture.

The first day of the week is mentioned 8 times and I know for a fact not once does it say the first day is a Holy day, or a day God Blessed, or a Sacred day, or His Sabbath. We can go through all 8 scriptures if you want. As long as you are willing to go through all 170 scriptures about the Sabbath. You want the truth right?

imge said:

Please provide scripture where God or Jesus states He transferred His Holy day from the seventh to the first? God made a really big deal about His Sabbath day being kept Holy, so if He was going to change it to the first or eight day however you wish to call it, there would be some clear commandment to do so. Please provide that.

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The Church, who Christ gave authority, has always understood the 8th day to superscede the 7th. The Scriptures are all there, such as the 8th day circumcision of a male child being done even if it fell on the Sabbath. You simply fail to understand the Scriptures.

Victor in Christ said:

Christ was a Prophet describing himself to the Israelites as the passover lamb to be slayan/broken and bruised when he was speaking in the verses you quoted and Lord Jehovah over the Jewish Sabbath. He's now our High Priest and King of kings having died for our sins and risen to sit at the right hand of the Father. And he rise on the end of the Jewish Sabbath, the evening being the start of the 8th day ( a Christians 1st day of the week)

read over my post above and study it please.

Don't let the beggarly elements of Sinai drag you back into bondage, when Christ offered the sprinkling of his blood for our sins in Hebrews 12 + 13 to put us at liberty to go forward unto mount Zion, onwards and upwards.

God Bless.

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Again, I don't see anything saying the first day is His new Holy day. Jesus rested on Sabbath and kept Sabbath even in death.