Believing in the gospel saves. (1 Corinthians 15: 1-4)

Basketball · Jan 30, 2021

To be saved: believe on Jesus Christ. Have faith and trust in Lord Jesus to save you. At the same time, believing the gospel saves.

The Gospel is that Jesus Christ died for our sins, was buried and rose again the third day. (1 Corinthians 15: 1-4)

To believe the gospel means to have faith and trust that Jesus Christ died for our sins, was buried and rose again the third day as the all-sufficient means for your salvation. You are trusting in Jesus Christ to save you when you trust the gospel.

Jeshu · Jan 30, 2021

This agrees with the way the Apostle Peter sees it. Indeed he writes that we have been born again, through the word for only the word stands forever.

So it is not until we step into the truth of Scripture that we become eternal. This starts with having faith in Jesus as described in the word and never ends thereafter ever again. So we have to be born into the word. Let its truths fill us with new life. We confirm this inner newness when we begin to love God and neighbour.

1 Peter 1:22-25
Now that you have purified yourselves by obeying the truth so that you have sincere love for each other, love one another deeply, from the heart. For you have been born again, not of perishable seed, but of imperishable, through the living and enduring word of God. For,

“All people are like grass,
and all their glory is like the flowers of the field;
the grass withers and the flowers fall,
but the word of the Lord endures forever.”

And this is the word that was preached to you.

Guojing · Jan 30, 2021

Jeshu said:
This agrees with the way the Apostle Peter sees it. Indeed he writes that we have been born again, through the word for only the word stands forever.

So it is not until we step into the truth of Scripture that we become eternal. This starts with having faith in Jesus as described in the word and never ends thereafter ever again. So we have to be born into the word. Let its truths fill us with new life. We confirm this inner newness when we begin to love God and neighbour.

1 Peter 1:22-25
Now that you have purified yourselves by obeying the truth so that you have sincere love for each other, love one another deeply, from the heart. For you have been born again, not of perishable seed, but of imperishable, through the living and enduring word of God. For,

“All people are like grass,
and all their glory is like the flowers of the field;
the grass withers and the flowers fall,
but the word of the Lord endures forever.”

And this is the word that was preached to you.

Peter was preaching the gospel of the kingdom to Israel, which is not what Paul preached to the gentiles.

1 Peter 4

12 Beloved, think it not strange concerning the fiery trial which is to try you, as though some strange thing happened unto you:

13 But rejoice, inasmuch as ye are partakers of Christ's sufferings; that, when his glory shall be revealed, ye may be glad also with exceeding joy.

14 If ye be reproached for the name of Christ, happy are ye; for the spirit of glory and of God resteth upon you: on their part he is evil spoken of, but on your part he is glorified.

15 But let none of you suffer as a murderer, or as a thief, or as an evildoer, or as a busybody in other men's matters.

16 Yet if any man suffer as a Christian, let him not be ashamed; but let him glorify God on this behalf.

17 For the time is come that judgment must begin at the house of God: and if it first begin at us, what shall the end be of them that obey not the gospel of God?

18 And if the righteous scarcely be saved, where shall the ungodly and the sinner appear?

19 Wherefore let them that suffer according to the will of God commit the keeping of their souls to him in well doing, as unto a faithful Creator.

Vs 18 is very enlightening when I came across it for the first time. According to Peter, there is no such thing as OSAS. Even one who is righteous can scarcely be saved, which is not what Paul would instruct us in the Body of Christ.

Brightfame52 · Jan 30, 2021

Basketball said:
Below is scripture that supports that believing the gospel saves you. The Gospel is that Jesus died for our sins, was buried and rose again the third day. In my opinion, this in addition to believe on Christ, have faith and trust in Lord Jesus to save you.

Do you think you have to believe the Gospel to be saved?

1 Corinthians 15:1-4

1 Moreover, brethren, I declare unto you the gospel which I preached unto you, which also ye have received, and wherein ye stand;

2 By which also ye are saved, if ye keep in memory what I preached unto you, unless ye have believed in vain.

3 For I delivered unto you first of all that which I also received, how that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures;

4 And that he was buried, and that he rose again the third day according to the scriptures

Mark 1:15

15 And saying, The time is fulfilled, and the kingdom of God is at hand: repent ye, and believe the gospel.

Romans 1:16
16 For I am not ashamed of the gospel of Christ: for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth; to the Jew first, and also to the Greek.

So if one believes the historical facts of 1 Cor 15:3,4 that gets them saved ?

Gregory Thompson · Jan 30, 2021

I find salvation is based on being born again by the Holy Spirit.

A good example of this in scripture is Cornelius when they went to speak to Peter. Before Peter could finish speaking about the gospel, they were baptized with the Holy Spirit. So the gospel is awesome, for sure. However, since people who do not have the mental capacity to understand the the gospel can also be saved - and God does not show favoritism, it is really important to not idolize the bible.

even if all the bibles in the world were destroyed during a nuclear war, trinity God is still mighty to save.

bling · Jan 31, 2021

Words do not save, faith does not save, works do not save, nor does baptism save. God/Christ saves.

Basketball · Jan 31, 2021

bling said:
Words do not save, faith does not save, works do not save, nor does baptism save. God/Christ saves.

Yes it is God/Christ who saves. In order to get saved by God/Christ you believe on Jesus (Have faith and trust in Lord Jesus to save you).

Guojing · Jan 31, 2021

Basketball said:
Yes it is God/Christ who saves. In order to get saved by God/Christ you believe on Jesus (Have faith and trust in Lord Jesus to save you).

To be precise, you believe that Christ died for your sins and rose again on the 3rd day. (1 Cor 15:1-4)

bling · Jan 31, 2021

Basketball said:
Yes it is God/Christ who saves. In order to get saved by God/Christ you believe on Jesus (Have faith and trust in Lord Jesus to save you).

Could God save a person who did not believe in Jesus?

Basketball · Jan 31, 2021

Guojing said:
To be precise, you believe that Christ died for your sins and rose again on the 3rd day. (1 Cor 15:1-4)

I believe the above statement as written in the bible.

Guojing · Jan 31, 2021

Basketball said:
I believe the above statement as written in the bible.

which statement?

If you believe Jesus Christ is the Son of God, as stated in John 20:31, that alone will not save you now

Basketball · Jan 31, 2021

Guojing said:
which statement?

If you believe Jesus Christ is the Son of God, as stated in John 20:31, that alone will not save you now

I believe the following to be true as written in the bible: Christ died for our sins, was buried, and that he rose again the third day. 1 Corinthians 15 :3-4

This is the gospel I am referring to in the thread.

Guojing · Jan 31, 2021

Basketball said:
I believe the following to be true as written in the bible: Christ died for our sins, was buried, and that he rose again the third day. 1 Corinthians 15 :3-4

This is the gospel I am referring to in the thread.

So which gospel do you think John was referring to in John 20:31?

Butterball1 · Feb 1, 2021

Basketball said:
Below is scripture that supports that believing the gospel saves you. The Gospel is that Jesus died for our sins, was buried and rose again the third day.

In my opinion, to be saved: believe on Christ, have faith and trust in Lord Jesus to save you. I think this alone is enough to be saved. At the same time, I think that believing the gospel saves also.

Do you think believing the gospel is the same as believing on Jesus
(having faith and trust in Jesus to save you?)

1 Corinthians 15:1-4

1 Moreover, brethren, I declare unto you the gospel which I preached unto you, which also ye have received, and wherein ye stand;

2 By which also ye are saved, if ye keep in memory what I preached unto you, unless ye have believed in vain.

3 For I delivered unto you first of all that which I also received, how that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures;

4 And that he was buried, and that he rose again the third day according to the scriptures

Mark 1:15

15 And saying, The time is fulfilled, and the kingdom of God is at hand: repent ye, and believe the gospel.

Romans 1:16
16 For I am not ashamed of the gospel of Christ: for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth; to the Jew first, and also to the Greek.

The 3 passages cited do not come close to exhausting all there is to know about salvation, they alone are not the sum of God's thoughts, Psalms 139:17. All verses that deal with salvation have to be taken into consideration before any conclusion can be drawn, Acts of the Apostles 20:27. Verses as Luke 13:3, Matthew 10:32-33, Mark 16:16, when taken into consideration along with verses cited above, these verses require repentance, confession and baptism to being saved.

Basketball · Feb 1, 2021

Butterball1 said:
The 3 passages cited do not come close to exhausting all there is to know about salvation, they alone are not the sum of God's thoughts, Psalms 139:17. All verses that deal with salvation have to be taken into consideration before any conclusion can be drawn, Acts of the Apostles 20:27. Verses as Luke 13:3, Matthew 10:32-33, Mark 16:16, when taken into consideration along with verses cited above, these verses require repentance, confession and baptism to being saved.

Regarding Luke 13:3
Faith and repentance are two sides of the same coin. If you have faith in Jesus to save you also have repent at the same time. It is not repent of sins.

Regarding Mark 16:16:
It says if you do not believe you will be condemned. It did not say that you must be baptized to go to Heaven.

Matthew 10:32-33
This is talking about rewards in Heaven. If they confess publicly it will determine the rewards in Heaven. Afterwards it talks about rewards. Also the people Jesus is talking to are believers or saved.

Ephesians 2:8-9
8For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God: 9Not of works, lest any man should boast.

Ephesians 2:9 shows that we are saved by faith and not by works. I do not think water baptism saves because it is a work or obedience. Confession is also a work I believe. Romans 10:9 Confessing that Jesus is Lord is different from a public confession, but even this not not state a requirement that if you do not confess Jesus is Lord you will not go to Heaven.

In summary the one fast truth is to believe on Jesus (Have faith and trust in Lord Jesus to save you). I also believe if you believe the gospel you will be saved. These are independent from each other.

Butterball1 · Feb 3, 2021

Basketball said:
Regarding Luke 13:3
Faith and repentance are two sides of the same coin. If you have faith in Jesus to save you also have repent at the same time. It is not repent of sins.

A NT belief that saves is a beleif that includes repentance, confession and baptism. This means that the "believeth" in John 3:16 does NOT mean "believe only" saves but "believeth" is used as a synecdoche (part for the whole) where it includes repentance, confession and baptism. In 1 Peter 3:21 Peter says baptism saves but that does not mean "baptism alone" saves but baptism is used as a synecdoche where it includes belief repentance and confession.

Repent means to make a change, one must change from living in sin and turn ti living holy, fighteously.
No salvation for the impenitent, Romans 2:3-6

Basketball said:
Regarding Mark 16:16:
It says if you do not believe you will be condemned. It did not say that you must be baptized to go to Heaven.

There is 2 conditions that must be met to be saved, belief AND baptism...the conjunction 'and' ties both together making them inseparable. If one need not be baptized then one would not have to believe either.
There is just 1 condition to be lost; unbelief. An unbeliever is an unbaptized person.

Basketball said:
Matthew 10:32-33
This is talking about rewards in Heaven. If they confess publicly it will determine the rewards in Heaven. Afterwards it talks about rewards. Also the people Jesus is talking to are believers or saved.

No confession = no salvation Romans 10:9-10.
Matthew 10:33 says nothing about 'rewards' but says "But whosoever shall deny me before men, him will I also deny before my Father which is in heaven." A person is denying the Lord and continues to deny the Lord unless, until he confesses the Lord.

Basketball said:
Ephesians 2:8-9
8For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God: 9Not of works, lest any man should boast.

Ephesians 2:9 shows that we are saved by faith and not by works. I do not think water baptism saves because it is a work or obedience. Confession is also a work I believe. Romans 10:9 Confessing that Jesus is Lord is different from a public confession, but even this not not state a requirement that if you do not confess Jesus is Lord you will not go to Heaven.

In summary the one fast truth is to believe on Jesus (Have faith and trust in Lord Jesus to save you). I also believe if you believe the gospel you will be saved. These are independent from each other.

Faith is the noun while believe is the verb and both are derived from the same Greek root word. Above I showed how belief is used as a synecdoche where it includes repentance confession and baptism. A faith that is void of the obedient works of repentance, confession and submittting to baptism is a dead faith, James 2:20.

Luke 6:46 "And why call ye me, Lord, Lord, and do not the things which I say?" Jesus is Lord of those who do as He says in believing (John 8:24) repenting (Luke 13:3) confessing (Matthew 10:32-33) and submitting to baptism (Mark 16:16).

2 Thessalonians 1:8 those in flaming fire will be those the "obeyed not" the gospel. Hence the gospel is something to be OBEYED, something done. NT belief is not just a mere 'mental acknowledgement' of certain facts about Christ but believe is a verb, an action, something one does.

Brightfame52 · Feb 3, 2021

Butterball1 said:
A NT belief that saves is a beleif that includes repentance, confession and baptism. This means that the "believeth" in John 3:16 does NOT mean "believe only" saves but "believeth" is used as a synecdoche (part for the whole) where it includes repentance, confession and baptism. In 1 Peter 3:21 Peter says baptism saves but that does not mean "baptism alone" saves but baptism is used as a synecdoche where it includes belief repentance and confession.

Repent means to make a change, one must change from living in sin and turn ti living holy, fighteously.
No salvation for the impenitent, Romans 2:3-6

There is 2 conditions that must be met to be saved, belief AND baptism...the conjunction 'and' ties both together making them inseparable. If one need not be baptized then one would not have to believe either.
There is just 1 condition to be lost; unbelief. An unbeliever is an unbaptized person.

No confession = no salvation Romans 10:9-10.
Matthew 10:33 says nothing about 'rewards' but says "But whosoever shall deny me before men, him will I also deny before my Father which is in heaven." A person is denying the Lord and continues to deny the Lord unless, until he confesses the Lord.

Faith is the noun while believe is the verb and both are derived from the same Greek root word. Above I showed how belief is used as a synecdoche where it includes repentance confession and baptism. A faith that is void of the obedient works of repentance, confession and submittting to baptism is a dead faith, James 2:20.

Luke 6:46 "And why call ye me, Lord, Lord, and do not the things which I say?" Jesus is Lord of those who do as He says in believing (John 8:24) repenting (Luke 13:3) confessing (Matthew 10:32-33) and submitting to baptism (Mark 16:16).

2 Thessalonians 1:8 those in flaming fire will be those the "obeyed not" the gospel. Hence the gospel is something to be OBEYED, something done. NT belief is not just a mere 'mental acknowledgement' of certain facts about Christ but believe is a verb, an action, something one does.

Wow, sounds like salvation by works to me !

Butterball1 · Feb 3, 2021

Brightfame52 said:
Wow, sounds like salvation by works to me !

Salvation by obedience to the will of God....as Paul says "obedience unto righteousness" Romans 6:16.

God's gift of salvation is a free gift but it is not an unconditional free gift.

Brightfame52 · Feb 3, 2021

Butterball1 said:
Salvation by obedience to the will of God....as Paul says "obedience unto righteousness" Romans 6:16.

God's gift of salvation is a free gift but it is not an unconditional free gift.

Yes it is salvation by works you promoting

Basketball · Feb 3, 2021

I believe to be saved you need to believe on Jesus. (Have faith and trust in Lord Jesus to save you, to act as your savior).

Additional facts that I think we should (maybe not required) know about Jesus to be saved is:
1)Jesus is God.
2)The gospel that Jesus died for our sins, was buried and rose the third day. 1 Corinthians 15:1-4

If you do not believe Jesus is God and in what he did in the gospel how do you have faith and trust in Jesus to save you? Only an infinite payment by God can wipe out all our sins forever. Statements 1 and 2 are related as if you believe 2 you believe Jesus is God.

When a person has faith in Jesus, it means that he or she believes who Jesus is (God in human form) and trusts what Jesus has done (died and resurrected). This faith in the person and work of Christ is what saves. -https://www.gotquestions.org/faith-in-Jesus.html

If you understand and believe what the Bible says about Jesus, and if you are trusting in those truths as the basis for salvation—you are saved! You “believe in Jesus” in the biblical sense. What does it mean to believe in Jesus? | GotQuestions.org

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