The Ezekiel Temple-a temple not made with human hands

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We can use this formula to explain Revelation 8:1, all the events from the Sixth Seal until Jesus Returns, will take 'about' 20 years earth time.
Uh, Nooooo you cannot legitimately use Rev 8:1 where it says that there was"silence silence in heaven for about half an hour". Read verses 3 and 4 which explain the silence....it was for prayer time ONLY!!! In no way can "half an hour" be used without altering scripture in the same manner in which Satan did to Eve.
 
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You may say that you have nothing to do with Darby but Darby seems to have had an influence on you and SO many others who have never even heard the name before because they have heard it taught in their own churches and, because they love their pastor, do not question the system that came here less than 200 years ago along with a period that included other groups like the JW's, Mormons, Unitarians and Christian Scientist etc.
There is still just reading God's Word and the Holy Spirit. Your objection to God's Word is human teaching at best. Using fallen humanity as a point of contention, is a strange way to defend God's Word. Sorry, but Revelation 20 is a literal black and white page of text in the Bible. Callling this chapter any thing else is worse than listening to this alleged human conspiracy you are pushing. Do you really think some can just wish away Revelation 20 and fantasize it as something else?
 
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Uh, Nooooo you cannot legitimately use Rev 8:1 where it says that there was"silence silence in heaven for about half an hour". Read verses 3 and 4 which explain the silence....it was for prayer time ONLY!!! In no way can "half an hour" be used without altering scripture in the same manner in which Satan did to Eve.
Revelation 8:1, the Seventh Seal, happens immediately after the Sixth Seal, the soon to happen world changer; commencing the end times.
Rev 8:2 onwards, describes the Seven Trumpets of the Great Tribulation, which happen during the final 3 1/2 years before Jesus Returns.

Why do you object to calculating the half hour in heaven to 20 years on earth? It is logical and fits all that must take place at the end of this age.
 
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These are terms that are used to describe what Christians seek reassurance and comfort in at "the end of the ages" as in 1 Thessalonians 4:13-18 and other verses in the NT. Verse 17 very clearly uses the term "caught up"....together....with...(the dead in Christ)...in the clouds...to meet our Lord...in the air...of which we will always be with the Lord.
What I totally reject is a 'rapture to heaven'.

We will always be with the Lord......On earth for the next 1000 years and then with God for Eternity. Revelation 21:4
Whatever you like to call 1 Thess 4:17, it isn't going to heaven!
 
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Why do you object to calculating the half hour in heaven to 20 years on earth?

Why? Because in NO WAY should "half and hour" be reinvented according to some unexplained method of calculations that ends up with a figure of 20 years on earth when the verse explicitly is from a "vision" in heaven!! As I said before, it is scripture twisting as was done to Eve by Satan in the Garden.

RE: It is logical and fits all that must take place at the end of this age.

You said it yourself....It's "logical"....yeah, humans logic for sure!

The Lord never directed anyone to build the Ezekiel temple. Man can not force the issue, if God wanted it built He would say so. Instead God shows it already built in the manner of a VISION for Ezekiel to see and to encourage the deportees to repent.
 
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What I totally reject is a 'rapture to heaven'.
You can totally reject the "catching away/rapture to heaven" at the End of all the Ages" (Judgement Day) all you want to, BUT God is not going to change his Holy Word to fit into your preconceived humanistic preferences one bit! If my Lord says that I am going to be taken heaven alongside my risen loved ones then that is where I am blessed to be headed....for eternity based on 1 Thess 4:13-18 and Revelation 14 & 19.
 
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We will always be with the Lord......On earth for the next 1000 years and then with God for Eternity. Revelation 21:4
You'd be all right if you'd just stuck with "We will always be with the Lord....for Eternity". (Rev. 14,19 &21) Toss that "on earth for the next 1,000 years" heresy down the toilet and you are good to go!

Revelation is a vision of the future - not to be taken literally in every respect. It's basic intended message is one of promise, reassurance and comfort. it is just what we need in this time of chaos in the world.
 
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You'd be all right if you'd just stuck with "We will always be with the Lord....for Eternity". (Rev. 14,19 &21) Toss that "on earth for the next 1,000 years" heresy down the toilet and you are good to go!
Revelation 19:11-21 refutes you for the Millennium.
Revelation 21:1-7 refutes you, for Eternity.

We humans never go to live in heaven. There is no scripture that actually says that.
God has angels there to minister to Him, what would we do there?
 
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We humans never go to live in heaven.
What you say in a "literal" sense; meaning that in our sinful humanity/our flesh as is, prior to being transformed if alive at Christ's second coming is true. BUT IF what you say was in a "spiritual sense" AFTER Christ's second coming on the Last Day goes, then what you said is NOT true as "transformed human born again Christians" DO go to live in heaven - wherever that is! What the environment will be like' and what we will be doing there (other than worshiping our Lord God and Jesus Christ) is something that, as humans now we cannot fully comprehend - and that is where our faith and trust in God's Word comes in.

From the 'Easton's Bible Dictionary'
(4.) Spiritual meaning. The place of the everlasting blessedness of the righteous; the abode of departed spirits.
(a) Christ calls it his "Father's house" (Jhn 14:2).
(b) It is called "paradise" (Luk 23:43; 2Cr 12:4; Rev 2:7).
(c) "The heavenly Jerusalem" (Gal 4:26; Hbr 12:22; Rev 3:12).
(d) The "kingdom of heaven" (Mat 25:1; Jam 2:5).
(e) The "eternal kingdom" (2Pe 1:11).
(f) The "eternal inheritance" (1Pe 1:4; Hbr 9:15).
(g) The "better country" (Hbr 11:14,16).
(h) The blessed are said to "sit down with Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob," and to be "in Abraham's bosom" (Luk 16:22; Mat 8:11); to "reign with Christ" (2Ti 2:12); and to enjoy "rest" (Hbr 4:10,11).​
In heaven the blessedness of the righteous consists in the possession of "life everlasting," "an eternal weight of glory" (2Cr 4:17), an exemption from all sufferings for ever, a deliverance from all evils (2Cr 5:1,2) and from the society of the wicked (2Ti 4:18), bliss without termination, the "fullness of joy" for ever (Luk 20:36; 2Cr 4:16,18; 1Pe 1:4; 5:10; 1Jo 3:2). The believer's heaven is not only a state of everlasting blessedness, but also a "place", a place "prepared" for them (Jhn 14:2).

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It reminds all generations of men that their true home and destiny is heaven. In not a few of our Lord's own sayings, as has been remarked, our phrase is obviously only a name for heaven; and, while His aim was that the kingdom should be established on earth, He always promised to those aiding in its establishment in this world that their efforts would be rewarded in the world to come. The constant recognition of a spiritual and eternal world is one of the unfailing marks of genuine Christianity.

Naves Topical Bible: HEAVEN -The Future Dwelling Place of the Righteous - (verses added)
Called: A GARNER:
Mat 3:12 ~ "His winnowing fork is in his hand, and he will clear his threshing floor and gather his wheat into the granary, but the chaff he will burn with unquenchable fire."
THE KINGDOM OF CHRIST AND OF GOD:
Eph 5:5 ~ "Be sure of this, that no fornicator or impure man, or one who is covetous (that is, an idolater), has any inheritance in the kingdom of Christ and of God."
THE FATHER'S HOUSE:
Jhn 14:2-3 ~ "In my Father's house are many rooms; if it were not so, would I have told you that I go to prepare a place for you? And when I go and prepare a place for you, I will come again and will take you to myself, that where I am you may be also."
A HEAVENLY COUNTRY:
Heb 11:16 ~ "But as it is, they desire a better country, that is, a heavenly one. Therefore God is not ashamed to be called their God, for he has prepared for them a city."
A REST:
Heb. 4:9-10 ~ "So then, there remains a Sabbath rest for the people of God; for whoever enters God's rest also ceases from his labors as God did from his."
Rev 14:13 ~ "And I heard a voice from heaven saying, "Write this: Blessed are the dead who die in the Lord henceforth." "Blessed indeed," says the Spirit, "that they may rest from their labors, for their deeds follow them!"
PARADISE:
Luk 23:43 ~ "...And he said to him, "Truly, I say to you, today you will be with me in Paradise."
Rev 2:7 ~ "...To him who conquers I will grant to eat of the tree of life, which is in the Paradise of God.'
2 Cr 12:2-4 ~ "I know a man in Christ who fourteen years ago was caught up to the third heaven--whether in the body or out of the body I do not know, God knows. And I know that this man was caught up into Paradise--whether in the body or out of the body I do not know, God knows--and he heard things that cannot be told, which man may not utter."
EXCLUSIONS:
Eph 5:5 ~ "Be sure of this, that no fornicator or impure man, or one who is covetous (that is, an idolater), has any inheritance in the kingdom of Christ and of God."
Rev 22:15 ~ "Outside are the dogs and sorcerers and fornicators and murderers and idolaters, and every one who loves and practices falsehood."
 
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Do humans ever go to heaven?

The belief and teaching that all humans have natural immortality via an immortal soul can be traced back thousands of years. We can see from history that nations like Egypt and Babylon taught their people about an immortal soul in every human, that continued to live, to think and to experience life, after the body had died. Depending on the nation and on their spiritual theology they had, would come various teachings about where and under what conditions this immortal soul would experience after the death of the physical body. Some nations would bury the dead body in graves with all kinds of things for the departed to take with them and to use to enjoy in the afterlife.

Different nations may have had different places where the departed soul would live when it left the dead body, but to put it in simple language, the immortal soul was in a "heaven" of some sort. They even had gloomy underworlds for those not thought to have done enough good in their physical lives to warrant the prize of "heaven."

All this should start to sound somewhat familiar with certain teaching and beliefs of many Christian churches and organizations. Many have heard the "hell-fire and brimstone" sermons preached loud and vigorously by a Christian minister or Camp-meeting tent revivalist. Such preaching of course includes telling you that if you "give your heart to the Lord" and turn from sin, you can "go to heaven" and live in bliss, doing...well they are not sure, maybe singing and strumming on a harp?

Just about all Christians today believe they shall "get to heaven" one day. They firmly believe that going to heaven is one of the basic rewards of being Christian. To think, and to teach otherwise, to them, is pretty close to being a nutty and strange heretic. They are convinced the Bible shows and tells us that going to heaven is the automatic reward of the children of God. And most believe that going to heaven takes place when the physical body stops breathing and dies. Yet this common and prevailing theological view was not the common view or teaching of the early New Testament Church of God.

The early NT church did not teach or believe in going to heaven at death, for those faithful Christians. Church history shows that it was only through the teachings of people like Clement of Alexandria, Origen, and others that most professing Christians gradually came to adopt the belief of the immortal soul, and going immediately "somewhere" after the death of the body. Many were coming into the popular church of the Roman Empire, founded in Rome, who already held to Hellenistic philosophy, Egyptian mythology, and Babylonian Mystery religions, with an after death life of some sort as the foundation of it all. They did not want to give up this teaching and belief, just as they did not want to abandon many other false teachings and practices. So, to accommodate them the large popular church took many of these old pagan beliefs and re-clothed them with Christian garments. Hence, as the millenniums came and went today's doctrines of the immortal soul as taught together with an ever burning hell fire for the wicked, a purgatory for those who may not have sinned unto eternal torment, and can possibly yet be granted heaven and a heaven where God is, for the righteous. All this came to be church doctrines.

Most Christians believe they will at some point "get to heaven" where God is dwelling. Some do not believe you go to heaven at death, but that death is a sleep until the resurrection, then when Jesus returns to raise the righteous dead, all go back with Him to heaven for a thousand years, until the new earth comes into being. Others believe that Christ returns to "rapture" His Church away from the terrible tribulation then taking place on the earth, and that they spent either 7 years or 3 1/2 years in heaven, before returning again with Christ to set up the Kingdom of God on earth for a thousand years.

Whatever the various beliefs of certain religious sects and denominations is on this matter, just about all of them teach and believe that the good Christian will someday, for some period of time "go to heaven" where the Father lives and dwells in the heavenly Jerusalem.

IF WE SHALL GO TO HEAVEN ONE DAY....
And if this is a fundamental plain teaching of the Bible, then surely we should be able to find many verses all over the Bible saying things such as: "When we get to heaven," "When we see each other in heaven," "They are up there in heaven with God," "We shall go to heaven at Christ's return," "We shall be in heaven where God is one day." BUT VERSES LIKE THIS CANNOT BE FOUND IN THE BIBLE!

BUT, what we do read in the Bible is the Words of Jesus: No man goes to heaven, except the One who came from there. John 3:13 Where I go, you cannot come. John 7:34 Your home is in this world, Mine is not. John 8:23 I do not pray, Father, that You take them out of this world.... John 17:15

So the truth is, the idea of a 'rapture to heaven', is a straight out Satanic lie; one of his most successful ones, that will cause many unprepared Christians to fall on the Day of trial. 1 Peter 4:12, 1 Corinthians 3:13-15

Most Christians think that heaven is our destination and preachers tout it from the pulpit. Why then didn't the people of the Bible use such language? Could it be that they knew that going off to heaven where God the Father now dwells was NEVER promised to any earthy mortal person?

The word "heaven" is used 570 times in the Bible. "Heavenly" appears 23 times and "heavens" is used 121 times. Surely, somewhere, in all those uses we can find a statement: "When we are in heaven" or "We are going to go to heaven" or maybe "He has gone to God in heaven." If you take a Bible concordance you can find all the verses where "heaven," "heavenly," and heavens" are used throughout the Bible. Look them up! See if you can find a verse that says, "We shall go to heaven," "Heaven is our eternal abode," "They are up in heaven" or any plain statement about Christians or children of God going to be with God in heaven for ANY length of time. You have over 500 places where "heaven" is used. Try to find any verse that tells us clearly we shall someday, sometime, go to live where God the Father dwells.

There are THREE heavens mentioned in the Bible. 1) The heaven [atmosphere] where the birds fly. 2) the heaven [space] where the planets and stars are. 3) The heaven [spiritual] where God's throne is, where God is now.

I knew a man in Christ.... caught up to the THIRD heaven....He was caught up into Paradise, and heard unspeakable words....2 Cor. 12:2-4 The third heaven is where God dwells!

KINGDOM OF HEAVEN ?

Some will say, "Well Christ talked about our being in the Kingdom of heaven. Surely that proves we shall 'go to heaven'. If it does, then some shall be in heaven while others are not. Matthew 5:3-5. Blessed are the poor in spirit, for theirs is the Kingdom of heaven....blessed are the meek, for they shall inherit the earth. The Kingdom OF heaven is the Kingdom that BELONGS to heaven. It is owned and operated by heaven. the Kingdom that BELONGS to God, not the Kingdom inside God. The Gospels according to Mark and Luke use "Kingdom OF God"


OUR REWARD IS IN HEAVEN

Is not our reward to go to heaven? Are there not some verses that say something to that effect? Here they are: Rejoice, and be exceeding glad; for great is your reward in heaven.... Matthew 5:12 Do not display your religion before others, if you do you will have no reward from your Father in heaven. Matthew 6:1 But lay up for yourselves treasure in heaven.....Luke 6:23 To an inheritance incorruptible, and undefiled…reserved in heaven for you. 1 Peter 1:4

Now, let's be honest. Do the above verses say: "Our reward is to get to heaven" or "When we get to heaven we shall be given our reward." Do these verses say: "Our reserved inheritance is to get to heaven to be with God" ? No, they do not! Truly, Christians will receive rewards and we are to inherit eternal life, but when? Eternal life comes at the Great White Throne Judgment. Revelation 2:10, 2 Timothy 4:8
Our rewards are to be given to us by Christ at His return. And, behold, I come quickly, and MY REWARD IS WITH ME, to give every man according as his work shall be.

Rev. 22:12 Our rewards and inheritance are reserved in heaven. They come down out of heaven with Christ at his Return.

NAMED TO GO TO HEAVEN?

Are not Christians named and written down in a book to go to heaven? ….but rather rejoice, because your names are written in heaven Luke 10:20 To the general assembly and church of the firstborn, which are written in heaven....Heb. 12:23

Do these verses say, "Because you will go to heaven" or "The church of the firstborn will one day get to heaven" ? No! Our names (God knows who are His) are written down in the book of life, the book of life being in heaven. But we receive life eternal ONLY after the Great White Throne Judgement, when the Book of Life is opened. Revelation 20:11-15


OUR HOPE....TO GO TO HEAVEN?

For the hope which is laid up for you in heaven, whereof you heard before in the word of the truth of the gospel. Colossians 1:5
What is the hope for Christians? Paul answers in another letter he wrote: But if there be NO RESURRECTION of the dead, then Christ is not risen. And if Christ is not risen, then is our preaching vain, and your faith is also vain.....then they which are also fallen asleep in Christ are PERISHED....For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ shall all be made alive. But every man on his own order: Christ the firstfruits: AFTERWARDS they that are Christ's AT HIS COMING. 1 Cor. 15: 13-23

Our HOPE is Christ, who has been raised from the dead and is now in heaven, waiting to be sent back to this earth when He shall reign as King for 1000 years.

Colossians 1:5 does NOT say, "Our hope is to get to heaven." Or "The church's hope is to be with Christ in heaven." It says: our HOPE is kept in heaven. That hope is Christ and His Return. Philippians 3:20 Christian believers are citizens of heaven and from heaven we can expect our Deliverer to come: The Lord Jesus Christ.

Notice! This Kingdom is in heaven that we are citizens of. If we be Christ's, we belong to His family. We are brothers of His, we are part of God's family, His children, and so of His government, kingdom, which is at present in heaven. Not that we are in heaven, for the reality is: we live on earth, but the Kingdom, where our citizenship is; that we now belong to, is in heaven.


NO MAN HAS EVER GONE TO HEAVEN

Here is a plain and easy to understand verse: And NO MAN has ASCENDED up to heaven, except for He that came down from heaven, even the Son of man which is in heaven. John 3:13 BELIEVE what Christ said, He should know. He was in heaven with the Father from the beginning, and He did not see any human ever come from earth up to heaven. It’s indisputable, Enoch could not have gone to the third heaven, neither did Moses, nor did Elijah. All humans who have ever lived, or will live, up to the Return of Jesus and are not still alive when Jesus comes, will sleep in death. They will be in the grave, and the martyrs, those killed for their faith, Revelation 20:4, wait to hear the voice of the Son of man, to rise from the dead in a resurrection. Then, for a thousand years they shall reign with Christ on His throne over this earth, as they establish the Kingdom of God on earth. Revelation 20:4

At the end of the thousand years comes the new heavens and the new earth. Then the heavenly Jerusalem together with God the Father will come from heaven to this new earth, which will then become the dwelling place of the throne of the universe for all Eternity.


What we can say is that we, the children of God, will one day be in heaven.....yes.....when heaven comes to earth. Revelation 21:1-4 But what we cannot say is that any human will be taken up to heaven to avoid the wrath to come. The Lord promises protection to all these who place their trust in Him and this may be a profound spiritual experience. Nahum 1:1-8, Isaiah 43:2, +

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What you say in a "literal" sense; meaning that in our sinful humanity/our flesh as is, prior to being transformed if alive at Christ's second coming is true. BUT IF what you say was in a "spiritual sense" AFTER Christ's second coming on the Last Day goes, then what you said is NOT true as "transformed human born again Christians" DO go to live in heaven - wherever that is! What the environment will be like' and what we will be doing there (other than worshiping our Lord God and Jesus Christ) is something that, as humans now we cannot fully comprehend - and that is where our faith and trust in God's Word comes in.

From the 'Easton's Bible Dictionary'
(4.) Spiritual meaning. The place of the everlasting blessedness of the righteous; the abode of departed spirits.
(a) Christ calls it his "Father's house" (Jhn 14:2).
(b) It is called "paradise" (Luk 23:43; 2Cr 12:4; Rev 2:7).
(c) "The heavenly Jerusalem" (Gal 4:26; Hbr 12:22; Rev 3:12).
(d) The "kingdom of heaven" (Mat 25:1; Jam 2:5).
(e) The "eternal kingdom" (2Pe 1:11).
(f) The "eternal inheritance" (1Pe 1:4; Hbr 9:15).
(g) The "better country" (Hbr 11:14,16).
(h) The blessed are said to "sit down with Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob," and to be "in Abraham's bosom" (Luk 16:22; Mat 8:11); to "reign with Christ" (2Ti 2:12); and to enjoy "rest" (Hbr 4:10,11).​
In heaven the blessedness of the righteous consists in the possession of "life everlasting," "an eternal weight of glory" (2Cr 4:17), an exemption from all sufferings for ever, a deliverance from all evils (2Cr 5:1,2) and from the society of the wicked (2Ti 4:18), bliss without termination, the "fullness of joy" for ever (Luk 20:36; 2Cr 4:16,18; 1Pe 1:4; 5:10; 1Jo 3:2). The believer's heaven is not only a state of everlasting blessedness, but also a "place", a place "prepared" for them (Jhn 14:2).

ISB Encyclopedia:
It reminds all generations of men that their true home and destiny is heaven. In not a few of our Lord's own sayings, as has been remarked, our phrase is obviously only a name for heaven; and, while His aim was that the kingdom should be established on earth, He always promised to those aiding in its establishment in this world that their efforts would be rewarded in the world to come. The constant recognition of a spiritual and eternal world is one of the unfailing marks of genuine Christianity.

Naves Topical Bible: HEAVEN -The Future Dwelling Place of the Righteous - (verses added)
Called: A GARNER:
Mat 3:12 ~ "His winnowing fork is in his hand, and he will clear his threshing floor and gather his wheat into the granary, but the chaff he will burn with unquenchable fire."
THE KINGDOM OF CHRIST AND OF GOD:
Eph 5:5 ~ "Be sure of this, that no fornicator or impure man, or one who is covetous (that is, an idolater), has any inheritance in the kingdom of Christ and of God."
THE FATHER'S HOUSE:
Jhn 14:2-3 ~ "In my Father's house are many rooms; if it were not so, would I have told you that I go to prepare a place for you? And when I go and prepare a place for you, I will come again and will take you to myself, that where I am you may be also."
A HEAVENLY COUNTRY:
Heb 11:16 ~ "But as it is, they desire a better country, that is, a heavenly one. Therefore God is not ashamed to be called their God, for he has prepared for them a city."
A REST:
Heb. 4:9-10 ~ "So then, there remains a Sabbath rest for the people of God; for whoever enters God's rest also ceases from his labors as God did from his."
Rev 14:13 ~ "And I heard a voice from heaven saying, "Write this: Blessed are the dead who die in the Lord henceforth." "Blessed indeed," says the Spirit, "that they may rest from their labors, for their deeds follow them!"
PARADISE:
Luk 23:43 ~ "...And he said to him, "Truly, I say to you, today you will be with me in Paradise."
Rev 2:7 ~ "...To him who conquers I will grant to eat of the tree of life, which is in the Paradise of God.'
2 Cr 12:2-4 ~ "I know a man in Christ who fourteen years ago was caught up to the third heaven--whether in the body or out of the body I do not know, God knows. And I know that this man was caught up into Paradise--whether in the body or out of the body I do not know, God knows--and he heard things that cannot be told, which man may not utter."
EXCLUSIONS:
Eph 5:5 ~ "Be sure of this, that no fornicator or impure man, or one who is covetous (that is, an idolater), has any inheritance in the kingdom of Christ and of God."
Rev 22:15 ~ "Outside are the dogs and sorcerers and fornicators and murderers and idolaters, and every one who loves and practices falsehood."

splits (laodiceantimes.com)

You'll find Keith Hunt buried in one of the tentacles.
 
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Thanks for the reference.. World Wide Church of God is not Christian. Herbert Armstrong is its founder.

In 2009, the WCG changed its name to Grace Communion International and renounced enough cultism to be recognized as orthodox. However, many of its tentacles still adhere to Armstrongism, and continue to be recognized as cults. Keith Hunt of the "Scriptural Church of God" is an example.
 
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Keith Hunt of the "Scriptural Church of God" is an example.

Keith Hunt and his wife also wrote books and articles for InterVarsity Christian Fellowship, but from what I read, they (IVCF) seem to be ok though.?
 
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All humans who have ever lived, or will live, up to the Return of Jesus and are not still alive when Jesus comes, will sleep in death.
Enoch: "Enoch walked with God; and he was not, for God took him."(Gen 5:24) Enoch was taken into heaven alive, never tasting physical death. Where else could Enoch have gone but to heaven?? This "translation" was a miracle and served to show the OT (and us alive NT believers that when the Lord returns on the Last Day,) that it is what will happen to us after the dead in Christ are raised and that we too will ascend to heaven with them and with Jesus.

Also, in Hebrews 11:5 it says "By faith Enoch was taken up so that he should not see death; and he was not found, because God had taken him. Now before he was taken he was attested as having pleased God."

Elijah: "And as they still went on and talked, behold, a chariot of fire and horses of fire separated [Elijah and Elisha]. And Elijah went up by a whirlwind into heaven. And Elisha saw it and he cried, "My father, my father! the chariots of Israel and its horsemen!" And he saw him no more. (2Ki 2:11-12)

Elijah was one of a handful of people in the bible that went straight to heaven without dying.
 
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Keith Hunt and his wife also wrote books and articles for InterVarsity Christian Fellowship, but from what I read, they (IVCF) seem to be ok though.?

From what I can see, IVCF's Keith Hunt was a different individual.
 
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From what I can see, IVCF's Keith Hunt was a different individual.
It is certainly possible. However, this is on the WWCG...

"He founded a group called the Biblical Church of God (BCG) in 1979 (where Keith Hunt associated with for a while) and then in 1981 he once worked in a group called the Scriptural Church of God, but then left and became completely independent in 1982."
Christian Biblical Church of God, Fred Coulter

It is more likely that it is the same Keith Hunt because of his writings from scripture with IVP
 
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It is certainly possible. However, this is on the WWCG...

"He founded a group called the Biblical Church of God (BCG) in 1979 (where Keith Hunt associated with for a while) and then in 1981 he once worked in a group called the Scriptural Church of God, but then left and became completely independent in 1982."
Christian Biblical Church of God, Fred Coulter

It is more likely that it is the same Keith Hunt because of his writings from scripture with IVP

There's no mention of IVCF in WWCG, and no mention of WWCG in IVCF.

Two different Keith Hunt's.
 
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There's no mention of IVCF in WWCG, and no mention of WWCG in IVCF.
What you say is true in the reference I gave you but the mention was only that he a
"associated with the church for a while." The article was largely a defense of their beliefs. I just don''t believe that two people by the same name and both of which attend churches (one of which is a known biblical writer) can be anything but a coincidence. Not a major issues with me anyway. God Bless.
 
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