Shattered ~ Did satan’s sin cause the big bang?

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Imagine, if you will, God containing fragments of Himself into vessels so as not to lose anything. The Logos, with a word, gathering together those whom had joined satan’s rebellion into vessels of dishonour and those who had not into vessels of honour.

2 Timothy 2
20 A large house contains not only vessels of gold and silver, but also of wood and clay. Some indeed are for honorable use, but others are for common use. 21So if anyone cleanses himself of what is unfit, he will be a vessel for honor: sanctified, useful to the Master, and prepared for every good work.…
Romans 9
20But who are you, O man, to talk back to God? Shall what is formed say to Him who formed it, “Why did You make me like this?” 21 Does not the potter have the right to make from the same lump of clay one vessel for special occasions and another for common use? 22What if God, intending to show His wrath and make His power known, bore with great patience the vessels of His wrath, prepared for destruction?
Isaiah 45:9
Woe to him who quarrels with his Maker--one clay pot among many. Does the clay ask the potter, 'What are you making?' Does your work say, 'He has no hands’?​

Misuse of freedom. Evil was not part of God’s original creation. Evil is destined for destruction when God will be “all in all”. They cannot ultimately co-exist. Embodiment functions as a necessary phase of the soul’s return to God. The dishonour serves to instigate honour within that which will remain. In the end God will restore the harmony, but meanwhile we get to choose what constitutes … me. We determine our destiny thru the exercise of our freedom. The use or misuse of that freedom constitutes the benevolence or wrath of divine providence.

All is gathered up so that nothing is lost of the fragments. The spoils from going out are taken to build a new and better form of worship. The worship of spirit and truth. Without the dross. Returned to the former estate. Stemming from proper use of freedom.

So we see the devil, created good, but thru the misuse of freedom originating evil. Humans can and do propagate evil thru neglect of cooperation to seek and return to perfection, which is being one with Him. No doing anything that misuses other’s freedom. Seek first the kingdom of God, and all will be added to you.

As Eve was contained within Adam so is the church contained within Christ. Levi was in the loins of Abraham when the tythe was made to Melchezedec. Our Melchezedec has carried us home again. Praise God!!!


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Neglecting so great a salvation. There are those who are hot and fail to temper it thru mediation with Christ and there are those who are cold that do not seek anything about God at all. We have all been given a direct line to the Father thru Jesus Christ. That dialog is the power that maintains the relationship. That is our sacrifice of praise, the worship of spirit with truth. Reconciliation to abide in the midst of all that is holy. Be careful what the conscience allows to maintain peace of mind, for the joy is our containment of holiness within, encased in righteousness that is visible to the world.
 
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I understand the concept of something new coming out of a conflagration, we see it on Earth. I do not believe this happened with the Big Bang. There is no Biblical indication that Satan's war in Heaven caused God to initiate the Big Bang.

We serve a God who began everything in the physical realm simply by speaking. And he created it for his pleasure. He is a big enough God to not need to be motivated by a crisis to perform such a great act.
 
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Humans can and do propagate evil thru neglect of cooperation to seek and return to perfection, which is being one with Him. No doing anything that misuses other’s freedom. Seek first the kingdom of God, and all will be added to you.
Interesting proposal in the title. It is only in the last few decades that we now view the chaos
of the cosmos, entire galaxies being captured by another, collisions, and of course, stars exploding.
I was thinking one day "could the chaos of the cosmos be a reflection of how man is existing
here on earth? If we all lived in peace and harmony, would the Universe reflect this in kind?
It seems what you are suggesting with the big bang is along these lines, except we cannot blame
the devil for all the chaos, we have to reflect upon our own behavior.
 
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Imagine, if you will, God containing fragments of Himself into vessels so as not to lose anything. The Logos, with a word, gathering together those whom had joined satan’s rebellion into vessels of dishonour and those who had not into vessels of honour.

2 Timothy 2
20 A large house contains not only vessels of gold and silver, but also of wood and clay. Some indeed are for honorable use, but others are for common use. 21So if anyone cleanses himself of what is unfit, he will be a vessel for honor: sanctified, useful to the Master, and prepared for every good work.…
Romans 9
20But who are you, O man, to talk back to God? Shall what is formed say to Him who formed it, “Why did You make me like this?” 21 Does not the potter have the right to make from the same lump of clay one vessel for special occasions and another for common use? 22What if God, intending to show His wrath and make His power known, bore with great patience the vessels of His wrath, prepared for destruction?
Isaiah 45:9
Woe to him who quarrels with his Maker--one clay pot among many. Does the clay ask the potter, 'What are you making?' Does your work say, 'He has no hands’?​

Misuse of freedom. Evil was not part of God’s original creation. Evil is destined for destruction when God will be “all in all”. They cannot ultimately co-exist. Embodiment functions as a necessary phase of the soul’s return to God. The dishonour serves to instigate honour within that which will remain. In the end God will restore the harmony, but meanwhile we get to choose what constitutes … me. We determine our destiny thru the exercise of our freedom. The use or misuse of that freedom constitutes the benevolence or wrath of divine providence.

All is gathered up so that nothing is lost of the fragments. The spoils from going out are taken to build a new and better form of worship. The worship of spirit and truth. Without the dross. Returned to the former estate. Stemming from proper use of freedom.

So we see the devil, created good, but thru the misuse of freedom originating evil. Humans can and do propagate evil thru neglect of cooperation to seek and return to perfection, which is being one with Him. No doing anything that misuses other’s freedom. Seek first the kingdom of God, and all will be added to you.

As Eve was contained within Adam so is the church contained within Christ. Levi was in the loins of Abraham when the tythe was made to Melchezedec. Our Melchezedec has carried us home again. Praise God!!!


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The "big bang" was a creative event.

Satan would have no part of such a work of God ...
 
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The "big bang" was a creative event.

Satan would have no part of such a work of God ...

That was my thought. I would say that "Let there be light" resulted in the Big Bang.
 
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I don't have that much imagination.
I don’t either but it came to me this morning about the big bang ‘theory’ being connected to satan’s sin and shattering God, leaving Him with a delemna to fix. The rest of the post kinda fell into place from different studies. Imagination to me = speculation, and not usually something I indulge in, preferring to keep my mind open to God’s lead
I didn't see where the title of the thread was touched upon by your post.
That was my problem too in posting it as such. I’ll keep digging if I can find anything else but the content of the posts may hold things to be discussed ...
 
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I understand the concept of something new coming out of a conflagration, we see it on Earth. I do not believe this happened with the Big Bang. There is no Biblical indication that Satan's war in Heaven caused God to initiate the Big Bang.

We serve a God who began everything in the physical realm simply by speaking. And he created it for his pleasure. He is a big enough God to not need to be motivated by a crisis to perform such a great act.
Initiate the big bang suggests a decision. What I suggested was an instant result of the fact and God’s reaction to contain the mess.
 
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Romans 8:20

For the creation was subjected to frustration, not by its own choice, but by the will of the one who subjected it, in hope

I think the correct direction to aim any blame at in terms of sin entering the creation is the first humans.

Since they were given Godlike characteristics, any fragmentation would have been caused by them.

As far as the disruption traced back as far as the "big bang" this would have been the disruption of God speaking and creating all that is.

Having everything super compressed and all in one place, but no form to it sounds like it being without form and without purpose (void) to me.
 
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Romans 8:20

For the creation was subjected to frustration, not by its own choice, but by the will of the one who subjected it, in hope

I think the correct direction to aim any blame at in terms of sin entering the creation is the first humans.

Since they were given Godlike characteristics, any fragmentation would have been caused by them.

As far as the disruption traced back as far as the "big bang" this would have been the disruption of God speaking and creating all that is.

Having everything super compressed and all in one place, but no form to it sounds like it being without form and without purpose (void) to me.
I’m quite sure the ‘blame’ of evil falls on lucifer’s sin originally according to the bible. The ‘blame’ of humans was following suite.
 
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I’m quite sure the ‘blame’ of evil falls on lucifer’s sin originally according to the bible. The ‘blame’ of humans was following suite.
I think my point was that only the humans had the power given to them to do any real damage.

All parties were advised of how sin would affect their lives from then on, and then exited paradise for the new world that they had created.

The same thing will happen in the coming judgment, people will be advised on how their life choices will affect them going forward, and we will enter in to the New Heaven and the New Earth.
 
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I think my point was that only the humans had the power given to them to do any real damage.

All parties were advised of how sin would affect their lives from then on, and then exited paradise for the new world that they had created.

The same thing will happen in the coming judgment, people will be advised on how their life choices will affect them going forward, and we will enter in to the New Heaven and the New Earth.
Interesting, except the last part. We have one life to live and then judgement. Perhaps the millennium is what your suggesting? Human/divine gvmnt will only be given a last minute choice to avoid the second death.
 
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Interesting, except the last part. We have one life to live and then judgement. Perhaps the millennium is what your suggesting? Human/divine gvmnt will only be given a last minute choice to avoid the second death.
I was actually referring to the final judgment.

The millennium is more akin to the seventh day of creation.

However, the sequence in the garden where there is a rebellion, a judgment, and the entering of the new world happens after the millennium when reading in sequence.
 
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I don’t either but it came to me this morning about the big bang ‘theory’ being connected to satan’s sin and shattering God, leaving Him with a delemna to fix.

Firstly, the big bang was the start of all creation. But your scenario has God creating the angels, Satan deciding to rebel against him and gathering those who agree with what he proposes to do, attempting to take over and being thrown out of heaven.
THEN, this negative, destructive event caused a beautiful universe to be born - so the whole of creation came about and was brought into being by sin.
Genesis 1 clearly says that God created and declared it all to be very good, Genesis 1:31.
Secondly, if you are saying that God was "shattered" by what Satan did and was left with a dilemma, you are saying that Satan is stronger than God and managed to cause a problem that God, initially maybe, was not sure how to fix.

The rest of the post kinda fell into place from different studies.

But not from the Bible.

not usually something I indulge in, preferring to keep my mind open to God’s lead

He's told us, in the Bible.

Note, I'm not going to get into a creation/evolution debate. We don't know how God created, but the point is that HE did it; his initiative and deliberate action.
 
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Initiate the big bang suggests a decision. What I suggested was an instant result of the fact and God’s reaction to contain the mess.
I don't see why God would see it as a means to contain the mess or why he would even need to use it as a means to contain the mess. Again, my God is big enough to not need to connect the two in any way.
 
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Firstly, the big bang was the start of all creation. But your scenario has God creating the angels, Satan deciding to rebel against him and gathering those who agree with what he proposes to do, attempting to take over and being thrown out of heaven.
THEN, this negative, destructive event caused a beautiful universe to be born - so the whole of creation came about and was brought into being by sin.
Genesis 1 clearly says that God created and declared it all to be very good, Genesis 1:31.
Secondly, if you are saying that God was "shattered" by what Satan did and was left with a dilemma, you are saying that Satan is stronger than God and managed to cause a problem that God, initially maybe, was not sure how to fix.
And your problem with that is? The universe contains huge bodies that are fixed in their positions, awaiting redemption. Tis all good.

But not from the Bible.
I don’t study anything else.

He's told us, in the Bible.
Note, I'm not going to get into a creation/evolution debate. We don't know how God created, but the point is that HE did it; his initiative and deliberate action.
As are all His Way of bringing about reconciliation.
 
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