ARE ALL THE 10 COMMANDMENTS IN THE OLD AND NEW TESTAMENT?

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Did scripture forget to mention it was valued? Did Moses forget to say "as you have observed for generations"? Unfortunately this is not a sustainable argument and if you would rather write inbetween the lines and fix the missing sections then this is an irresponsible way to approach scripture.

A poor method of studying the scriptures is to use the silence of scripture as proof of anything.However when you study the scriptures using the method the scriptures itself prescribes,then passages from one section of scripture can be used to fill in the blanks in others.
 
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These are moral laws, not to mentioned those are addressed before law in various accounts. The sabbath law is a ceremonial law and there is no support for it being observed before the law.

What is it that makes the Sabbath ceremonial and other laws moral?What is your definition of these terms and the scriptures which support the definition?
 
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The sabbath is ceremonial because the action is only valid one day a week (hence ceremonial) and the counter-action is not innatly wrong (moral code) and may freely be practiced on all other days. Something that is morally objective is valid all the time not just on special days.

If we are to call the Sabbath moral code then why isn't there a single example before the law of it being kept? Pre-law sacrifices are observed but keeping the Sabbath is not supported pre law.

Just as I thought.These terms and definitions are just made up by you and are used to support what you believe without any scriptural support.Suffice it to say,other men like yourself had opinions to the contrary.Here is what some had to say:

BAPTISTS FOR THE LAW AND TEN COMMANDMENTS
 
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The sabbath very clearly points to Christ where Christ offers his sabbath to us. Sabbath is restored relationship with God, and just as Adam was sent away from the Garden to toil and work over the soil Sabbath is an opportunity to return to the Garden as we rest from the toil and burden of the curse of sin. We value sabbath becasue God rested on the 7th day, this is true but God especially God created sabbath for us, not for him. Christ offers it saying "Come to me, all you who are weary and burdened, and I will give you rest". What rest does Christ offer us? Physical rest? or is it something more?

There is no scripture which teaches Jesus is our Sabbath.This is the rest that God is calling us to:

THE TRUE REST OF THE LORD

This was previously presented in response to your question in a thread titled:

What rest does Christ invite us into

It is not about Jesus replacing the seventh day Sabbath but is a call God is constantly sending out to His people pleading with them to turn from sin.
 
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circumcision is a sign of God's everlasting covenant with Isreal and explicitly physical circumcision, yet Paul shows us the form of circumcision is nothing. Sabbath is also a sign of God's everlasting covenant with Israel.... do you see where I'm going?

If you would only read,quote or at the very least cite the scriptures you base your opinions on then you would see they say nothing concerning the Sabbath being the sign of any covenant.But then you don't really want to know,do you?
 
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Could you clarify.

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Jesus tells us [Mar 3:3-5] that doing good on the Sabbath keeps the law and doing evil does not keep the law. So this begs the question that our actions on the Sabbath should be prioritized by how good they are rather than how they avoid work as the latter may in fact be to the diservice of others. But this begs another question why not do good every day in every action? I this we find the secret sauce to the gospel.

Jesus also does tell us [Mat 11:28-30] to come to him and he will give us rest. Jesus didn't speak English and the word is probably used when he said he will give rest is sabbath (because that's the meaning of the word).​
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Christ explicitly tells us which is the greatest commandment and it's not one of the 10 so why do you jump to the 10 and not the commandment Christ tells us is the greatest when you see the word "commandment"?

And you have no clue as to how that command and the second greatest command relates to the ten?Paul and James hints at this relationship.Try reading them.
 
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To come to an opinion of the Sabbath based on no mention of it in a portion of scripture is not wise.Silence of the scriptures on a subject cannot mean it did not exist nor that it was not important.This is one of the rules of studying the scriptures.
you have come to the same conclusion by inserting sabbath where there is no mention of it. my conclusions are based on Genesis does not value the law of the sabbath enough to mention it's practice.
 
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And you have no clue as to how that command and the second greatest command relates to the ten?Paul and James hints at this relationship.Try reading them.
clearly, we have come to different conclusions despite reading the same texts so you're going to have to do better than just say read the letters of Paul and James. I could say the same thing to you, but that's not a sustainable argument.
 
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Where does scripture say Jesus is our Sabbath
Christ says it himself, he invites us to come to him and he will give us rest. What word do you think be used when he said "rest". He is also "Lord of the Sabbath" so our participation of the Sabbath comes under his authority
 
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Your assumption from silence is flawed thinking.Which of the commands you now do acknowledge as being relevant was shown in scripture to have been observed from the beginning?

Which scripture is it that supports your view that the Sabbath was conditional and not universal?
The conditional arrangement of the Sabbath is implied based on a clear starting point. Even if there was regular participation of the Sabbath pre-law scripture does not value it enough to mention it and keeping it may indeed honor God but with the absence of the law it doesn't come under the law.

So it doesn't matter if Adam, Noah and Abraham kept the Sabbath since there was no commandment to do so there would be no requirement to keep it and another reason why sabbath is not moral law because it wasnt established as law since the beginning.

So I already know what you're thinking that this must mean killing, stealing, lying all must be the same and free to practice pre-law. If you would think this it would be silly because these are innat moral laws, things that are harmful against each other where sabbath does not logically fit that. You may call it moral law but you do so outside of logic and arbitrarily. Scripture doesn't uses these terms so if we are to label something as moral or shadow then we need to do so out of a set criteria. It seems your set criteria is only is it the 10 commandments which is a very poor argument and arbitrary as it has no other support.

Pre-law also addresses may of these moral violations (Cain probably violated a pile of them) and they are recognized as wrong and punished so a form of law was established but sabbath is just absent from it.
 
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What is it that makes the Sabbath ceremonial and other laws moral?What is your definition of these terms and the scriptures which support the definition?
Because the Sabbath is a system of rules imposed upon a specific reoccuring day that does not apply to any other day and we practice it in rememberance (which is sort of the definition of ceremonial). If we call it moral then why is working sometimes good and sometimes bad? It is then conditionally moral and not universally moral such as stealing, killing, and lying would be. It also has no clear wrong/right action it simply is done in a manor in rememberance and we rest because God rested. so calling it a moral law would be inspite of everything saying it is a ceremonial law.
 
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It is not about Jesus replacing the seventh day Sabbath but is a call God is constantly sending out to His people pleading with them to turn from sin.
Who's talking about replacing anything? Christ was there when the Sabbath was made. He can give it because it's his to give.
 
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If you would only read,quote or at the very least cite the scriptures you base your opinions on then you would see they say nothing concerning the Sabbath being the sign of any covenant.But then you don't really want to know,do you?
You seem to have come to your conclusions before taking time to understand my posts. This would be called a bias.
 
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You seem to have come to your conclusions before taking time to understand my posts. This would be called a bias.
Brother, many Christian who have inherited the Jewish "human tradition" of Saturday have a "bias" about the forced reading of what Genesis reveals with the word "morning" capping the end of the first day.
so others are not confused by the topic.
Sister, the Bible is clear on the subject of the Sabbath with the manna story, the Passover rule, and the International Date Line as an overwhelming confirmation of what Genesis reveals. It is the "human tradition" of the church that "confuses" people into keeping a "human tradition", away from the true biblical Sabbath. The Bible opposes the church's point of view when it reveals that the first day ends capped on a "morning" and not an "evening". The church is forcing God to say something that He did not say in Genesis when God revealed the days of creation from "morning" to "morning" and not from "evening" to "evening" because the Sabbath does not fall on a weekday in Israel.

And God said, “Let there be light,” and there was light. God saw that the light was good, and he separated the light from the darkness. God called the light “day,” and the darkness he called “night.” And there was evening, and there was MORNING—the first day. (Genesis 1:3-5 NIV)​

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The first occurrence of Sabbath is in verb (Strongs 7673) from for when God "rested". But of course, God doesn't need to rest and the word can also be translated as ending, stopping or ceasing and this is the focus in the context of the 7th day, God ceased the former 6 days off creation. It is not "rest" in context it is matter-of-factly presented that God ceased and the next thing we know on the subject is 2500 years later.
Did our all powerful God need rest?

I don't know and I don't that the question should be phrased as if He needed rest.

So what should the question be?

Did God Shabath (cease)?

Yes.


Gen 2:2 And on the seventh day God ended his work which he had made; and he rested (shabath) on the seventh day from all his work which he had made.

Gen 2:3 And God blessed the seventh day, and sanctified it: because that in it he had rested (shabath) from all his work which God created and made.

And in that Shabath (ceasing) did God rest (nuach)?

Yes.


Exod 20:11 For in six days the LORD made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that in them is, and rested (nuach) the seventh day: wherefore the LORD blessed the sabbath day, and hallowed it.


And in that Shabath (ceasing) in that God rested (nuach), was God refreshed (naphash)?

Yes, just as the ox, ass, the son of the handmaiden, the stranger, David and all the people with him were refreshed.


Exod 23:12 Six days thou shalt do thy work, and on the seventh day thou shalt rest: that thine ox and thine ass may rest, and the son of thy handmaid, and the stranger, may be refreshed (naphash) .

Exod 31:17 It is a sign between me and the children of Israel for ever: for in six days the LORD made heaven and earth, and on the seventh day he rested, and was refreshed (naphash).


2Sam 16:14 And the king, and all the people that were with him, came weary, and refreshed (naphash) themselves there.


If one is refreshed from resting because of ceasing from working did they benefit from resting? If they benefited from resting because they were refreshed did they need to rest?


Did God need to rest?

I don't know. But I do know when He ceased from the work of Creation on the 7th Day He rested and in that resting He was indeed refreshed. Therefore He blessed the Sabbath Day and Hallowed it.


Exod 20:11 For in six days the LORD made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that in them is, and rested the seventh day: wherefore the LORD blessed the sabbath day, and hallowed it.

Exod 31:17 It is a sign between me and the children of Israel for ever: for in six days the LORD made heaven and earth, and on the seventh day he rested, and was refreshed.


H7673
שָׁבַת
shâbath
shaw-bath'
A primitive root; to repose, that is, desist from exertion; used in many implied relations (causatively, figuratively or specifically):—(cause to, let, make to) cease, celebrate, cause (make) to fail, keep (sabbath), suffer to be lacking, leave, put away (down), (make to) rest, rid, still, take away.




H5117
נוּחַ
nûach
noo'-akh
A primitive root; to rest, that is, settle down; used in a great variety of applications, literally and figuratively, intransitively, transitively and causatively (to dwell, stay, let fall, place, let alone, withdraw, give comfort, etc.):—cease, be confederate, lay, let down, (be) quiet, remain, (cause to, be at, give, have, make to) rest, set down. Compare H3241.


H5314
נָפַשׁ
nâphash
naw-fash'
A primitive root; to breathe; passively, to be breathed upon, that is, (figuratively) refreshed (as if by a current of air):—(be) refresh selves (-ed).
 
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10 COMMANDMENTS IN THE OLD AND NEW TESTAMENT


Then he said to them, “This is what the Lord has said: ‘Tomorrow is a Sabbath rest, a holy Sabbath to the Lord. Bake what you will bake today, and boil what you will boil; and lay up for yourselves all that remains, to be kept until morning.’ ” So they laid it up till morning, as Moses commanded; and it did not stink, nor were there any worms in it. Then Moses said, “Eat that today, for today is a Sabbath to the Lord; today you will not find it in the field. Six days you shall gather it, but on the seventh day, the Sabbath, there will be none.”
Now it happened that some of the people went out on the seventh day to gather, but they found none. And the Lord said to Moses, “How long do you refuse to keep My commandments and My laws? See! For the Lord has given you the Sabbath; therefore He gives you on the sixth day bread for two days. Let every man remain in his place; let no man go out of his place on the seventh day.” So the people rested on the seventh day. Exodus 16:23-30





And the Lord spoke to Moses, saying, “Speak also to the children of Israel, saying: Surely My Sabbaths you shall keep, for it is a sign between Me and you throughout your generations, that you may know that I am the Lord who sanctifies you. You shall keep the Sabbath, therefore, for it is holy to you. Everyone who profanes it shall surely be put to death; for whoever does any work on it, that person shall be cut off from among his people. Work shall be done for six days, but the seventh is the Sabbath of rest, holy to the Lord. Whoever does any work on the Sabbath day, he shall surely be put to death.
Exodus 31:12-15




Then Moses gathered all the congregation of the children of Israel together, and said to them, “These are the words which the Lord has commanded you to do: Work shall be done for six days, but the seventh day shall be a holy day for you, a Sabbath of rest to the Lord. Whoever does any work on it shall be put to death. You shall kindle no fire throughout your dwellings on the Sabbath day.”Exodus 35:1-3



Now while the children of Israel were in the wilderness, they found a man gathering sticks on the Sabbath day. And those who found him gathering sticks brought him to Moses and Aaron, and to all the congregation. They put him under guard, because it had not been explained what should be done to him.
Then the Lord said to Moses, “The man must surely be put to death; all the congregation shall stone him with stones outside the camp.” So, as the Lord commanded Moses, all the congregation brought him outside the camp and stoned him with stones, and he died. Numbers 15:32-36



And on the Sabbath day two lambs in their first year, without blemish, and two-tenths of an ephah of fine flour as a grain offering, mixed with oil, with its drink offering— this is the burnt offering for every Sabbath, besides the regular burnt offering with its drink offering. Numbers 28:9-10




Are these Sabbath Commandments required to be observed by the Church?






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Brother, many Christian who have inherited the Jewish "human tradition" of Saturday have a "bias" about the forced reading of what Genesis reveals with the word "morning" capping the end of the first day.

Sister, the Bible is clear on the subject of the Sabbath with the manna story, the Passover rule, and the International Date Line as an overwhelming confirmation of what Genesis reveals. It is the "human tradition" of the church that "confuses" people into keeping a "human tradition", away from the true biblical Sabbath. The Bible opposes the church's point of view when it reveals that the first day ends capped on a "morning" and not an "evening". The church is forcing God to say something that He did not say in Genesis when God revealed the days of creation from "morning" to "morning" and not from "evening" to "evening" because the Sabbath does not fall on a weekday in Israel.

And God said, “Let there be light,” and there was light. God saw that the light was good, and he separated the light from the darkness. God called the light “day,” and the darkness he called “night.” And there was evening, and there was MORNING—the first day. (Genesis 1:3-5 NIV)​

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Maybe you don’t understand what a denomination means, like you did not understand what it means to have copyrighted property. A denomination means you have a certain set of beliefs so people can classify you and understand what those beliefs are. The SDA church has 28 fundamental beliefs that is required to become a member. You admit you do not believe what the SDA church believes, nor to you attend SDA church but you are going around bearing false witness against the SDA by sharing your belief that goes against what is required as an SDA. This is considered false witnessing. This is a sin. The Bible warns us about false prophets and you will be able to tell one if they are going against what the Bible teaches. Breaking one commandment is like breaking all of them. Something to pray about.
 
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Maybe you don’t understand what a denomination means, like you did not understand what it means to have copyrighted property. A denomination means you have a certain set of beliefs so people can classify you and understand what those beliefs are. The SDA church has 28 fundamental beliefs that is required to become a member. You admit you do not believe what the SDA church believes, nor to you attend SDA church but you are going around bearing false witness against the SDA by sharing your belief that goes against what is required as an SDA. This is considered false witnessing. This is a sin. The Bible warns us about false prophets and you will be able to tell one if they are going against what the Bible teaches. Breaking one commandment is like breaking all of them. Something to pray about.
Sister, understand that we do not belong to a denomination, but to Jesus. Did you convert from the Roman Catholic Church? They put the church first and not God dealing directly with each of us individually. I'm in good company!

Peter and the other apostles replied: "We must obey God rather than human beings! (Acts 5:29 NIV)​

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