Would you be a Christian if there was no afterlife?

Shrewd Manager said:

Yes, sedate - intubate - ventilate. Almost 100% strike rate, now for the vaxx.

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So convenient for them to be able to blame it on Covid, while they rake in the cash incentives. Now they can easily afford that new Mercedes. Happy, happy.

The vax will reap long-term damage. I don't want the government to pump poison into my body.

I've been keeping an eye on the Flu Shot thing for a while. There has been a progression over time in the social engineering.
- Flu shots available here.
- Did you get your Flu shot?
- Free Flu shots.
- Five dollar gift card with free Flu shot.
- Did you get your Annual Flu shot yet?

Saint Steven said:

I think the ventilators are killing machines. I haven't heard of anyone surviving "the treatment". (they write Covid on the death certificate and give each other high fives) The medical industry is weaponized against us. The goal from the top is world depopulation. The government is paying them handsomely to exterminate us.

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Not doing that good of a job.
World Population Clock: 7.8 Billion People (2021) - Worldometer

Saint Steven said:

So convenient for them to be able to blame it on Covid, while they rake in the cash incentives. Now they can easily afford that new Mercedes. Happy, happy.

The vax will reap long-term damage. I don't want the government to pump poison into my body.

I've been keeping an eye on the Flu Shot thing for a while. There has been a progression over time in the social engineering.
- Flu shots available here.
- Did you get your Flu shot?
- Free Flu shots.
- Five dollar gift card with free Flu shot.
- Did you get your Annual Flu shot yet?

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They sorcerers have total control of the mass media and pump through this propaganda to the brainwashed and Godless. All these vaccines are just witches brews out of black magick books. Have you seen the lists of ingredients they use? Adjuvants and excipients, hair of dog and eye of toad-type stuff.

pgp_protector said:

Not doing that good of a job.

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They are just getting warmed up. Are you ready for the great reset? Brought to you by the World Economic Forum. Save the planet = world depopulation

Shrewd Manager said:

Paul dies daily, and is killed all day long like lambs.

The Bible has different usages of 'death', clearly. In the spiritual, death can refer to either the 'Dead to God (in sins and trespasses)' or the 'Dead to self (alive to Christ, alleluja)'. Confusing, because they're contradictory, but context and faith in the God's goodness and righteousness helps us determine the import in various places.

So Paul denies some selfish temptation daily, and still is drawn into sin by the devil's lures many times over, but each time is resurrected and raised up in the Spirit, compelled by the blood of Christ and growing in grace and knowledge of Christ and him crucified.

Along those lines, imho.

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That’s not what I’m talking about - @Saint Steven, for example, was arguing that people, such as Abraham, were not really dead, even though it says Abraham died.

when the Bible says “so and so died”, it means they died, and are dead, and are still dead.

Dkh587 said:

That’s not what I’m talking about - @Saint Steven, for example, was arguing that people, such as Abraham, were not really dead, even though it says Abraham died.

when the Bible says “so and so died”, it means they died, and are dead, and are still dead.

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There are so many ways to die in the Bible. But Lazarus comes forth at Jesus' command. So have a little faith.

section9+1 said:

I do see value in this life because I see it as preparation for the next. Like there's value in education as it prepares you for your future. But if there is no future what would be the point of an education? Would you go to school and college if you knew you would die the day after graduation? This life has a purpose because it has a future. Without that promise of more to come, I wouldn't see much value in Christianity as it is now.

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Let me use your example presented differently.

We are in the age of Star Trek. There is no longer money, because anything can be replicated.

So, since money is no longer present, would you then spend your life doing nothing? If your interest was medicine,
would you invest all of the time to be trained properly, knowing that when you graduate, you won't have a paycheck? Would you do some mindless task?

If you see Earth as a stepping stone to heaven, why are we judged on our life on Earth?

What I have also seen esp from street preachers is not about a relationship with God, and following Jesus - learning to love your neighbor as yourself, but simply trying to avoid hell.

What do you think about this clip from what the bleep do we know, especially what the priest calls a blasphemy?

Saint Steven said:

I think the ventilators are killing machines. I haven't heard of anyone surviving "the treatment". (they write Covid on the death certificate and give each other high fives) The medical industry is weaponized against us. The goal from the top is world depopulation. The government is paying them handsomely to exterminate us.

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Or the people who are out to exterminate took a different approach.

Doctors are in agreement that the way to prevent the spread is to wear a mask, and keep social distance, and self quarantine when you get symptoms.

So what shrewder way to kill us then to tell people that wearing a mask is against your rights, and help spread it? Protest in large groups in close proximity, and help it spread. Tell people not to trust the numbers, doctors and nurses, or that the virus is even real.

They tell you there must be another reason they are sick," she tweeted. "They call you names and ask why you have to wear all that 'stuff' because they don't have COVID because it's not real. Yes. This really happens."

Doering told CNN on Monday that her vent session was due to "a culmination of so many people. Their last dying words are, 'This can't be happening; this isn't real.' ... It just made me really sad."

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https://www.medpagetoday.com/infectiousdisease/covid19/89796

Beanieboy said:

Doctors are in agreement that the way to prevent the spread is to wear a mask, and keep social distance, and self quarantine when you get symptoms.

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Nothing prevents Covid, they say.
They actually use the word "slow". As in "Wear a mask to slow the spread." They believe it is unstoppable and incurable. Even though every virus in history is gone in two seasons. Even Polio was not stopped by a vaccine. It went away naturally. According to Robert Kennedy Jr.

They told us to wear masks initially just until the spread slowed. But they have been working full time to make sure that never happens. The masks will never go away. Jesus will save us from masks when he returns. Until then, slow the spread. - lol

Beanieboy said:

Let me use your example presented differently.

We are in the age of Star Trek. There is no longer money, because anything can be replicated.

So, since money is no longer present, would you then spend your life doing nothing? If your interest was medicine,
would you invest all of the time to be trained properly, knowing that when you graduate, you won't have a paycheck? Would you do some mindless task?

If you see Earth as a stepping stone to heaven, why are we judged on our life on Earth?

What I have also seen esp from street preachers is not about a relationship with God, and following Jesus - learning to love your neighbor as yourself, but simply trying to avoid hell.

What do you think about this clip from what the bleep do we know, especially what the priest calls a blasphemy?

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I don't see earth as a stepping stone to heaven. I see earth as a place where heaven or hell is chosen. Mostly hell. Salvation takes place now and conforming to Christ begins now. Salvation starts the process of sanctification in this life. It's not supposed to be easy. There's lots of people for whom money is no issue. They get along quite happily without Christianity. Bible tells us to endure, persevere, be strong, be brave, trust, keep hanging on. If Christianity for its own sake is so rewarding it requires no future promise to it, maybe it's not Christianity at all. The video spoke nothing to me.

Beanieboy said:

Doctors are in agreement that the way to prevent the spread is to wear a mask, and keep social distance, and self quarantine when you get symptoms.

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They most certainly are not. Any doctor worth his salt will tell you masks do not stop airborne particles that size. Immunology has always rejected 'boy-in-a-bubblism' as a means to prevent spread. It's all totally contrary to long-accepted science.

Beanieboy said:

So what shrewder way to kill us then to tell people that wearing a mask is against your rights, and help spread it? Protest in large groups in close proximity, and help it spread. Tell people not to trust the numbers, doctors and nurses, or that the virus is even real.

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Lol! The ol' reverse psychology. But if we know that they know that we know that they know, what then?

The threat of serious illness, and death for some of us, from the widespread virus is real. The most effective strategy is still keeping enough distance, even if facemasks would help, or not.

This world along with us in it are under the curse on it, from the beginning with rebellion against God which there has been, and spreading further with our ongoing sin. Jesus Christ came for the way any of us would be delivered from that, with redemption to live where we would be with God in the perfection of God's will.

If we were not going to go to Heaven to be with him in eternal bliss, he would not have come to die in sacrificial atonement, and why would he come, if we are born here and die here with nothing more beyond that in this troubled world? It would be relatively neglectful of God, who would not attract us with God creating something with so much trouble and no deliverance meant for any in that, and what would Jesus teach, for any of us to follow faithfully? I can't imagine anything for that. I trust the Maker is loving enough as I see claimed and trust what Jesus said for that, with proof enough, to believe it and follow Jesus as a Christian believer.

MMXX said:

I decided to reword this.

The Old Testament has very little to say about what happens in the afterlife. Yet throughout the OT many worshipped and served God, even to the point of execution. So hypothetically speaking if heaven and hell were put aside, would you still follow Jesus?

Answers could be something like "no way, I'm just in this because I don't want to fry" or "yes I would continue to follow Jesus no matter what" to "as long as the church serves coffee and doughnuts, I'm in"

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Yes. the afterlife promise has had no impact on my faith.

Shrewd Manager said:

They most certainly are not. Any doctor worth his salt will tell you masks do not stop airborne particles that size. Immunology has always rejected 'boy-in-a-bubblism' as a means to prevent spread. It's all totally contrary to long-accepted science.

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But it still works very well and doctors all agree and wear masks as they always have for decades. (Long accepted scientifically validated science)

Because exposure is 100 fold smaller if the infected spit drops don't land inside your
mouth as in normal conversation. If they are slowed or stopped at the source or
destimation then your exposure falls very dramatically.

In contrast, big talking loudmouths have infected as many as 40 people
in one night at crowded nightclubs.

Following a 2.5-hour choir practice attended by 61 persons, including a ... Three of the 53 persons who became ill were hospitalized (5.7%), and two died (3.7%)

SkyWriting said:

But it still works very well and doctors all agree and wear masks as they always have for decades. (Long accepted scientifically validated science)

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If that were true, why did nobody wear masks in flu seasons past? All the science is against mask efficacity for these kind of things, really it is.

SkyWriting said:

In contrast, big talking loudmouths have infected as many as 40 people
in one night at crowded nightclubs.

Following a 2.5-hour choir practice attended by 61 persons, including a ... Three of the 53 persons who became ill were hospitalized (5.7%), and two died (3.7%)

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Not sure you should believe all you read.

Shrewd Manager said:

If that were true, why did nobody wear masks in flu seasons past? All the science is against mask efficacity for these kind of things, really it is.



Not sure you should believe all you read.

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Good advice. I average out all I read.

We reviewed the reference lists of relevant articles to identify further articles and identified articles through social and conventional news media. We found 25 articles...Collectively, they reveal that even at low thread counts and layers, and for aerosols, some kinds of cloth block substantial percentages of transmission. Filtration efficacy of greater than 50% has been observed for single layers of high thread count cotton, for linen and cotton tea towels, for some T-shirt materials, some towels, and some man-made materials sold as cloth masks; efficiency increases with layers, and efficiency for virus is of the same order of magnitude as that for bacteria.
Forgotten Technology in the COVID-19 Pandemic: Filtration Properties of Cloth and Cloth Masks—A Narrative Review

Face Masks and Respirators in the Fight Against the COVID-19 Pandemic: A Review of Current Materials, Advances and Future Perspectives

A rapid review of the use of face mask in preventing the spread of COVID-19

SARS-CoV-2 and Health Care Worker Protection in Low-Risk Settings: a Review of Modes of Transmission and a Novel Airborne Model Involving Inhalable Particles

But it really is your own health to consider. Which Covid carrier would you want to chat with?
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SkyWriting said:

Good advice. I average out all I read.

We reviewed the reference lists of relevant articles to identify further articles and identified articles through social and conventional news media. We found 25 articles...Collectively, they reveal that even at low thread counts and layers, and for aerosols, some kinds of cloth block substantial percentages of transmission. Filtration efficacy of greater than 50% has been observed for single layers of high thread count cotton, for linen and cotton tea towels, for some T-shirt materials, some towels, and some man-made materials sold as cloth masks; efficiency increases with layers, and efficiency for virus is of the same order of magnitude as that for bacteria.
Forgotten Technology in the COVID-19 Pandemic: Filtration Properties of Cloth and Cloth Masks—A Narrative Review

Face Masks and Respirators in the Fight Against the COVID-19 Pandemic: A Review of Current Materials, Advances and Future Perspectives

A rapid review of the use of face mask in preventing the spread of COVID-19

SARS-CoV-2 and Health Care Worker Protection in Low-Risk Settings: a Review of Modes of Transmission and a Novel Airborne Model Involving Inhalable Particles

But it really is your own health to consider. Which Covid carrier would you want to chat with?
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Theoretical protection against a virtual virus, grand.

Or you could just do this:
https://twitter.com/i/status/1357111815671545856

Do yourself a favour, get with the truth.

Shrewd Manager said:

Theoretical protection against a virtual virus, grand.

Or you could just do this:
https://twitter.com/i/status/1357111815671545856

Do yourself a favor, get with the truth.

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The Truth is people spit into your mouth when they talk. That's the truth.

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Shrewd Manager said:

Theoretical protection against a virtual virus, grand.

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Viruses are not a new concept.

SkyWriting said:

people spit into your mouth

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Remind me to avoid a face-to-face discussion with you, my friend. Sounds like a case of 'say it don't spray it'.

SkyWriting said:

Viruses are not a new concept.

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Correct, they came out of the plague concept. Like when the Philistines captured the Ark in 1 Sam 4-6 and the Ashdoddites come down with a bad case of haemorrhoids.

Perhaps today's Babylonians should make God a guilt offering of a golden synthetic viral genome. I'm sure if the world turned to God this plague of deception would end very quickly.