Revelation 20:9 - Are we nearly there?

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Both my husband and I are looking at the world like... "Christ is coming soon..."

When you say "Christ is coming soon", do you mean the same thing the apostles meant when they said "Christ is coming soon" 2000 years ago, or do you mean something completely different?

Do you know something about it that the Apostles didn't?
 
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When you say "Christ is coming soon", do you mean the same thing the apostles meant when they said "Christ is coming soon" 2000 years ago, or do you mean something completely different?

Do you know something about it that the Apostles didn't?

How could I know something the Apostles didn't already know? They were the ones closest to Christ Jesus. Yet, we have His Holy Spirit and it is He Whom guides us as His children. So do we share that same love with others.
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Good day, Parousia. May God bless you.
 
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How could I know something the Apostles didn't already know? They were the ones closest to Christ Jesus. Yet, we have His Holy Spirit and it is He Whom guides us as His children. So do we share that same love with others.
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Good day, Parousia. May God bless you.

Thx for the kind reply... I can't say I disagree with your statement, I wonder though, if you could answer my question?
When you say Jesus is coming soon, do you mean the same thing the apostles meant when they said it, or do you mean something different??
 
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The exact time of 4000 years from Adam until Jesus and now 1990 +/-years since Jesus, with the world now in a precarious state and then the prophesied 1000 year Millennium reign of Jesus, is quite sufficient to conclude the 7000 year Plan of God for mankind.
If you can't see that, then I can't help you.
o.k. if the years from Adam to Jesus is indeed exactly 4000 then that's compelling, but I don't believe the thousand year reign is a literal thousand years. For me the most compelling argument for 6,000 years is simply the current state of the world, both in terms of truth vs hate, but also technological advances and the belief that God will not allow us to increase in knowledge indefinitely. Your 4000 year calculation does seem to support this line of thinking, but it's far from conclusive of course.
 
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Keras, you have a very insightful post. Can you please explain to me where this number came from? I can't seem to figure that out.
The 613.5 years is the time from the conquest of Jerusalem by Babylon, to the Baptism of Jesus, the commencement of His earthly Ministry.
It is also the exact time from the Conquest to the 4000 year mark of God's decreed time for mankind.

There are other articles on this subject and all the Bible prophesies on the logostelos.info website.
 
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The 613.5 years is the time from the conquest of Jerusalem by Babylon, to the Baptism of Jesus, the commencement of His earthly Ministry.
It is also the exact time from the Conquest to the 4000 year mark of God's decreed time for mankind.

There are other articles on this subject and all the Bible prophesies on the logostelos.info website.

Thank you kindly.
 
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It seems pretty clear to me that Babylon was Jerusalem, the mother of all harlots, the city that ruled over the kings of the earth. You might want to look into that.

Yes thanks, was just listening to Bruce Gore expound on that the other night. He's such an engaging teacher imho.

But Revelation also is good for today, because the prophecies are Hebraic, that is, based on patterns and signs more than linear-type prediction, a la Daniel the other beloved.

The message is that these kind of events will recur throughout history on an ever-increasing scale, with the same forces at work - ie the devil in various forms using his panoply of spiritual weapons against Christ - until the big denouement, the eschaton, the great renovation, where God finally purifies it all.

Hast thou commanded the morning since thy days; and caused the dayspring to know his place; That it might take hold of the ends of the earth, that the wicked might be shaken out of it? It is turned as clay to the seal; and the hills stand out as folds of a garment. And from the wicked their light is withholden, and the high arm shall be broken. (Job 38:12-15)

He's a-gonna spruce it up and-a shake-a the dirt out. Beautiful.
 
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The 'seven days'1000 of Creation, were most likely 1000 year periods.

Not according to the word of GOD

Genesis 1 King James Version (KJV)
1 In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth.

2 And the earth was without form, and void; and darkness was upon the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters.

3 And God said, Let there be light: and there was light.

4 And God saw the light, that it was good: and God divided the light from the darkness.

Genesis 1:5
God called the light “day,” and the darkness he called “night.” And there was evening, and there was morning—the first day.

Genesis 1:8
God called the vault “sky.” And there was evening, and there was morning—the second day.

Genesis 1:13
And there was evening, and there was morning—the third day.

Genesis 1:19
And there was evening, and there was morning—the fourth day.

Genesis 1:23
And there was evening, and there was morning—the fifth day.

Genesis 1:31
God saw all that he had made, and it was very good. And there was evening, and there was morning—the sixth day.

six times the Creator said "evening, and there was morning—the X day" and you still deny it with your posts
 
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That statement is 100% based on your own assumptions about what that time would be like, because nowhere in scripture does it give us any kind of detail about the thousand years.

I base my assumptions about what teh Word of God says about life in the kingdom .

But you are so wrong. The only thing that the NT does for the millenial Kingdom is give us how long it will last!

The OT is loaded with hundreds and hundreds of prophetic verses of what life will be like in teh Millenial Kingdom. If I get teh time, I wil list just some of the myriads of verses describing life inthe OT.
 
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I base my assumptions about what teh Word of God says about life in the kingdom .

But you are so wrong. The only thing that the NT does for the millenial Kingdom is give us how long it will last!

The OT is loaded with hundreds and hundreds of prophetic verses of what life will be like in teh Millenial Kingdom. If I get teh time, I wil list just some of the myriads of verses describing life inthe OT.
Can you show me a single verse that definitively links the thousand years to any verse in the OT?
 
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I wonder. All the arguments put forward seem to be based on an earthly calendar. Is there not a case to be made that our calendar started on the 'day' the sun and moon first appear, and ends when they are removed towards the end of Revelation. This would imply that our timeline is a creation of God and therefore the timeline (if any) that God lives in, alias eternity, bears no resemblance to our temporary earthbound calendar.

So we have to deduce in each case whether the bible is using our perspective or God's in order to know what he is saying.

For example, the thief on the cross finished up the day at sunset in the realm of the dead, not in Paradise, as seen from our perspective. As this was still the seventh day of Creation in God's perspective, Jesus' promise that he would be in Paradise holds true due to his later removal to heaven.

And when does the eight day of God's creation calendar start in the bible? I'm guessing it's with the new heaven earth he has prepared, though I'd love to know exactly. Or does the seventh day go on for ever?

This seems to help explain some things. Or am I way off?
 
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Can you show me a single verse that definitively links the thousand years to any verse in the OT?

The New Covenant , Ez. 20, lots of chapters of Isaiah. Matt. 23. The earthly kingdom is the fulfilment of massive OT prophecies yet to be fulfilled to ISrael.

Gentiles will come annually to Jerusalem from the different nations.
David will sit on the throne
The temple will be operating
All Israel will know the Lord
Etc.Etc.

REv. just gives the length of time of the earthly kingdom Jesus reigns over! Unless of Course you believe there will be two earthly kingdoms.
 
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So your think 47 Bible verses are speculation?

No, the speculation is applying these 47 verses to the millennial day theory.

But we know that God does treat numbers as significant. The 'seven days'1000 of Creation, were most likely 1000 year periods.
Mankind got off to a bad start with Adam's sin, then God's Plan for our redemption commenced, with another amazing sequence of 1000 year periods. Or 3; 2000 year periods of mankinds rule, then a final 1000 years of Divine rule.

This is where you seem to lack scriptural evidence for your position. Where does scripture specifically teach the millennial day theory?

It isn't my prediction, I just point it out. I have the intelligence and ability to do simple addition and subtraction.
Have you any issue with any of the Bible verses I used?

Does the thought of having to face the prophesied difficult times before Jesus Returns, worry you?

Nope, it's definitely a prediction. You made a statement about what you believe will happen in 9.5 years. That is the very definition of a prediction.

: a statement about what will happen or might happen in the future
: the act of saying what will happen in the future : the act of predicting something
(Definition of PREDICTION)
 
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The New Covenant , Ez. 20, lots of chapters of Isaiah. Matt. 23. The earthly kingdom is the fulfilment of massive OT prophecies yet to be fulfilled to ISrael.

Gentiles will come annually to Jerusalem from the different nations.
David will sit on the throne
The temple will be operating
All Israel will know the Lord
Etc.Etc.

REv. just gives the length of time of the earthly kingdom Jesus reigns over! Unless of Course you believe there will be two earthly kingdoms.
In other words, no you can not. I asked you to give me a verse that definitively links the thousand years to the OT. Instead you gave me entire chapters of the Bible to read that explain events which you ASSUME are referring to the thousand years.
 
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So I took Keras' post as a reference and decided to check those numbers for myself and so I created a spreadsheet.

I was not able to confirm that exactly 2,000 years had passed when Abram arrived in Canaan. In fact, my spreadsheet shows that at that time 2,021 years had passed.

I also ended up with a different number of years to the Babylonian exile. Keras said it happened at year 3,386.5 but my spreadsheet tells me it happened at year 3,384.5. I don't believe this number really matters anyway, but I just wanted to point out that my calculations are quite different.

However, the really exciting part is that my spreadsheet does indeed confirm that exactly 4,000 years had passed from Adam to when Jesus was baptized, and I find this quite amazing and fascinating. I don't know why some of my other numbers differ from Keras but the most important point in my mind is that God waited for exactly 4,000 trips around the sun before Jesus was baptized. This tells me that nothing in God's plan is random.

I don't know how to share a spreadsheet so I took a screenshot of it that I can share right here.
4000 years.png


Now keep in mind that the Bible gives us years, but nothing more specific. So when it says Asa reigned for 41 years (for example), we know that's likely not exactly 41 years but we don't know if that's 41 years and two months or two days or even a month or two shy of 41 years. It's just not that specific, so because of that this can not be considered 100% accurate, but at the same time over the course of 49 events being calculated in years only, the law of averages tells us that this likely averages out quite well, with some numbers being just a little bit too big and others a little too small.
 
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In other words, no you can not. I asked you to give me a verse that definitively links the thousand years to the OT. Instead you gave me entire chapters of the Bible to read that explain events which you ASSUME are referring to the thousand years.
I am in agreement with Nolidad on this.
The OT verse that does mean there will be a 2000 year gap between the 1st and 2nd Advents of Jesus and then His 1000 year reign, is:
Hosea 6:2 After two days He will revive us and on the third day, He will raise us to live in His presence.
Also in Luke 13:32 ....Today and tomorrow, I shall be driving out demons and working cures, then on the third day I shall achieve My goal.

Twi Witnesses tell us that to God in heaven 1000 earth years is the same to Him as the passing of one earth day. Psalms 90:4, 2 Peter 3:8

Jesus said He would be with us until the end of time, Matthew 28:20
Many, many instances prove He has revived us, He has exorcised demons and effected miraculous cures, over the past nearly 2000 years.
His goal is to Return as King of Kings and Lord of Lords, Rev 19:11-16 and we will live in His presence during the Millennium.
 
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I am in agreement with Nolidad on this.
The OT verse that does mean there will be a 2000 year gap between the 1st and 2nd Advents of Jesus and then His 1000 year reign, is:
Hosea 6:2 After two days He will revive us and on the third day, He will raise us to live in His presence.
Also in Luke 13:32 ....Today and tomorrow, I shall be driving out demons and working cures, then on the third day I shall achieve My goal.

Twi Witnesses tell us that to God in heaven 1000 earth years is the same to Him as the passing of one earth day. Psalms 90:4, 2 Peter 3:8

Jesus said He would be with us until the end of time, Matthew 28:20
Many, many instances prove He has revived us, He has exorcised demons and effected miraculous cures, over the past nearly 2000 years.
His goal is to Return as King of Kings and Lord of Lords, Rev 19:11-16 and we will live in His presence during the Millennium.
Those verses, while interesting are hardly definitive. In fact, Hosea 6:2 is a reference to Jesus' resurrection on the third day, which in turn revived us. Likewise Luke 13:32, while somewhat nebulous, was likely also a reference to his own resurrection on the third day.

2 Peter 3:8 is one of the most misapplied verses of scripture, claiming that a thousand years and a day are the same thing and that therefore we should be counting in blocks of 1000 years whenever the scriptures say days, but that's an incorrect reading of the verse. This verse is simply making the point that God is much more patient than we, as Peter was reassuring his audience that God will come.

So while you can easily take various passages of scripture and claim they prove your point, that does not mean they actually prove your point.
 
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Don't misrepresent my position please. I don't scoff at God's ability to do anything. I scoff at the notion that the thousand years is paradise on earth, as if the Bible promises us that. It does not.
It is not Paradise on earth. It is a Sabbath set apart and Holy. Calling it "now" with humans in rampant sin is not set apart as Holy.
 
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