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Because you follow the law and make the same mistake the Galatians had fallen into. The law is the earthly representation of the heavenly reality of Jesus Christ. That's what it has to do with your post.

Please go back and read Soyeong's post #59 so I don't have to keep repeating it over and over for you...
 
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LoveGodsWord said: Read what the OP title is. Does it say "Help with the book of Galatians?" or "Help with Gal 4:10-11". Context was provided. (see post # 8 linked).
Your response here...
That sounds very much like an attempt to avoid context, the point of the poster is that limiting the context to just what supports a specific view is not helpful for understanding the intent of the writer of Scripture.
What? That is not true. If you read post # 8 linked you will see that the immediate context is provided to Galatians 4:10-11 in Galatians 4:8-10. It was you that did not provide context to Galatians 4:10-11 in the link you provided.
 
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Then explain why you agreed with his post and what you mean by what you said. I asked you what did you mean by following the "Law of the Spirit of Christ"

Sure - for what it is worth this is what I think...

There are three levels of response to God.

1. Following the Living Word of God.
2. Following the principles of God.
3. Following the Law of God.

The living Word of God is the Spirit of Jesus.

When He says 'come follow me' those who follow Him in obedience fulfil the principles of God and the Law of God.

The principles of God are to Love God and Love your neighbour.

Those who keep these two principles also fulfil the Law of God.

In the New Covenant the ball game has changed.

Instead of obeying the written Law without, we obey the living Word within.

This is called walking in the Spirit.

By doing this we fulfil the principles and the Law of God.

What the Law could not do was represent the purpose of Jesus in every circumstance of life - This would have required trillions of Laws for each circumstance folks would face in life throughout the ages.

For this reason God provided Judges to interpret personal circumstances with the assistance of the Spirit of Jesus.

Now we have the Spirit of Jesus within to do this for us.

So the unbalanced emphasis on Torah misses the centrality of walking in the Spirit and Love of Jesus.

This does not mean there was anything wrong with the Law - it served its purpose - and remains a reference for righteousness.

Judgement to come will try our works by fire - those not motivated by the Love of Jesus will not stand and be burned up.

This includes works that followed the Law as the rich young ruler learned. He followed the Law but did not follow Jesus.

Following Jesus within is not walking in lawlessness as the Law of the Spirit is being followed. This is the freedom that Paul fiercely stood for as he saw his followers losing touch with the anointing within and being deceived into following the Law without. They were no longer walking in the Spirit.
 
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Your response here...

What? That is not true. If you read post # 8 linked you will see that the immediate context is provided to Galatians 4:10-11 in Galatians 4:8-10. It was you that did not provide context to Galatians 4:10-11 in the link you provided.
To clarify, it is necessary to look at more than just the verses you referenced, the concept was good it just did not go far enough to see the main point that Paul was making.
 
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To clarify, it is necessary to look at more than just the verses you referenced, the concept was good it just did not go far enough to see the main point that Paul was making.
Did you not read the context that was provided in regards to the gentile Christians returning back to where they came from in Galatians 4:8-10? What was your interpretation of what was written in post # 8 linked and what do you think it means or what do you think I was saying in that post?

The immediate context of Galatians 4:10-11 is Galatians 4:8-9, which is to Gentile believers returning to practices that they just came from before they knew God...

[8] Howbeit then, when ye knew not God, ye did service unto them which by nature are no gods.[9] But now, after that ye have known God, or rather are known of God, how turn ye again to the weak and beggarly elements, whereunto ye desire again to be in bondage? [10] YE OBSERVE DAYS, AND MONTHS, AND TIMES, AND YEARS. [11] I am afraid of you, lest I have bestowed upon you labour in vain.

See the scripture breakdown in post # 8 linked..

The Galatians were gentile believers so they could not be going back to seek God's forgiveness in sin offerings and participating in the feast days etc through Jewish law as they were not Jews to begin with but unbelieving pagan gentiles that did not practice the teachings of the old testament scriptures. It is also true however that in the wider context of the book of Galatians, Jewish false teachers were trying to get the Galatians to follow the ceremonial laws of Moses as a requirement for salvation which is also not biblical.

Hope this helps.
 
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What are you talking about? Did you not read the context that was provided in regards to the gentile Christians returning back to where they came from in Galatians 4:8-10? What was your interpretation of what was written in post # 8 linked and what do you think it means or what do you think I was saying in that post?

The immediate context of Galatians 4:10-11 is Galatians 4:8-9, which is to Gentile believers returning to practices that they just came from before they knew God...

[8] Howbeit then, when ye knew not God, ye did service unto them which by nature are no gods.[9] But now, after that ye have known God, or rather are known of God, how turn ye again to the weak and beggarly elements, whereunto ye desire again to be in bondage? [10] YE OBSERVE DAYS, AND MONTHS, AND TIMES, AND YEARS. [11] I am afraid of you, lest I have bestowed upon you labour in vain.

See the scripture breakdown in post # 8 linked..

The Galatians were gentile believers so they could not be going back to seek God's forgiveness in sin offerings and participating in the feast days etc through Jewish law as they were not Jews to begin with but unbelieving pagan gentiles that did not practice the teachings of the old testament scriptures. It is also true however that in the wider context of the book of Galatians, Jewish false teachers were trying to get the Galatians to follow the ceremonial laws of Moses as a requirement for salvation which is also not biblical.

Hope this helps.
Where does it say, 'the ceremonial laws of Moses', in the letter to the Galatians. Don't start playing that game of changing the phrase, 'the law', into the phrase, 'ceremonial law'.

In fact, regarding context, virtually the entire letter of Galatians is concerned with the error of legalism.
 
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There are three levels of response to God.

1. Following the Living Word of God.
2. Following the principles of God.
3. Following the Law of God.

The living Word of God is the Spirit of Jesus.

When He says 'come follow me' those who follow Him in obedience fulfil the principles of God and the Law of God.

The principles of God are to Love God and Love your neighbour.

Those who keep these two principles also fulfil the Law of God.

The Logos is Yeshua Himself...that is what John1 says. Loving God and neighbor ARE Torah laws....in Leviticus and Deuteronomy....If you follow Me, you will keep My Commandments...are these somehow different than His Father's?
 
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Where does it say, 'the ceremonial laws of Moses', in the letter to the Galatians. Don't start playing that game of changing the phrase, 'the law', into the phrase, 'ceremonial law'. In fact, regarding context, virtually the entire letter of Galatians is concerned with the error of legalism.

Not really dear friend. Read what the OP title is. Does it say "Help with the book of Galatians?" or "Help with Galatians 4:10-11"? The immediate context was provided in Galatians 4:8-9. (see post # 8 linked) showing gentile believers returning to where they came from before they became Christians in Galatians 4:8-9 so cannot be referring to legalism as unbelieving gentiles were without law and not subject to it. There are many laws in the Torah some are eternal moral laws (e.g. 10 Commandments) and some are shadow laws fulfilled and continued in Christ. The gospel of our Lord Jesus Christ does not teach lawlessness (without law) as if we as professing Christians do not obey God's laws then according to James our faith is dead (non living faith - 1 John 5:4) and not saving faith according to the scriptures (James 2:14-26). According to John if we say we know God while continuing in known unrepentant sin (breaking anyone of God's 10 commandments or not believing God's Word - James 2:10-11; 1 John 3:4; Romans 14:23) we are lying and the truth is not in us (see 1 John 2:3-4 and 1 John 3:6-9).
 
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OK so lets look at the days, months and seasons...

Lent - Christmas - Sabbath - Easter - Passover - etc...

Did Paul have these in the gun?

The keeping of them will not get you to heaven, same with all the Mosaic laws;)

1 Corinthians 9:20-22

became a Jew to the Jews, a Gentile to the Gentiles and weak to those who were weak in understanding....all for Christ and the glory of God.

Paul literally became like those above to win some over to Christ. He attended the Jewish feasts to show they all pointed to Christ and were shadows and types of Christ. In Acts 20, Paul after attending Passover, broke bread (communion) the next Sabbath to show it symbolised Christ's body being broken for us, then he preached until mid-night (into the 8th day) which is our 1st day of the week (all mentioned in the NT, in Revelation John calls it the Lord's day)).

Ezra stood at the watergate in the old Testament, preached on the 1st day of the week (the Israelites 8th day). The Hanukkah menorah was lit for 8 days. Christ stood up on the 8th day and cried unto the Israelites John 7:37. There's many depictions of Christ in the Jewish celebrations that picture Christ and relate to their 8th day, ( a Christians 1st day of the week)

Keep in mind Genesis 1, a day with God begins on the evening. We can see all that in scripture relating to Christ's ressurection at the end of the 7th day. Mary came to the tomb on the 8th day and the diciples witnessed that Christ had risen. Amen and endless Hallelujahs

 
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But in THIS CASE, they were converted pagans...that is what we are discussing. Do you think Jews and Pagans were the same?
Galatians is speaking of Jews who are Christians and Gentiles who are Christians. Some Jews were Judaizers and some Gentiles were listening to them. These are two groups who once were in the Body of Christ but have now either fallen back to Judaism or have taught Gentiles to follow Torah in order to be saved. Paul's letter is the result of this false teaching.
 
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Formerly, when you did not know God, you were slaves to those who by nature are not gods. But now that you know God, or rather are known by God, how is it that you are turning back to those weak and worthless principles? Do you wish to be enslaved by them all over again? You are observing special days and months and seasons and years!…

You were slaves to those who by nature are NOT gods....they were pagans. Now you know the true God but you are returning to the old pagan ways...
Your comment is a departure from scripture. They were not returning to paganism they were being indoctrinated into the law by Judaizers. It is very clear in Paul's letter what he is referring to. Maybe read the entire letter. Blessings.
 
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The Logos is Yeshua Himself...that is what John1 says. Loving God and neighbor ARE Torah laws....in Leviticus and Deuteronomy....If you follow mw, you will keep My Commandments...are these somehow different than His Father's?

Yes, Jesus is the Word, but folks endlessly confuse the Word (Person of Jesus) and the word (scripture)

I did say loving your neighbour and loving God fulfils the Law.

I did say that if you follow the living Word of Jesus you would be fulfilling the Law.

You will notice I say fulfill rather than 'keep' the Law because the Spirit follows the 'intent' of the Law.
As Jesus said the Sabbath was made for man - not man for the Sabbath.
 
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Your comment is a departure from scripture. They were not returning to paganism they were being indoctrinated into the law by Judaizers. It is very clear in Paul's letter what he is referring to. Maybe read the entire letter. Blessings.

It is not a departure! I posted EXACTLY what it said. NOWHERE in those verses does it imply they were Jews...
 
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Galatians is speaking of Jews who are Christians and Gentiles who are Christians. Some Jews were Judaizers and some Gentiles were listening to them. These are two groups who once were in the Body of Christ but have now either fallen back to Judaism or have taught Gentiles to follow Torah in order to be saved. Paul's letter is the result of this false teaching.

Not in the verses I posted it isn't
 
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Yes, Jesus is the Word, but folks endlessly confuse the Word (Person of Jesus) and the word (scripture)

I did say loving your neighbour and loving God fulfils the Law.

I did say that if you follow the living Word of Jesus you would be fulfilling the Law.

You will notice I say fulfill rather than 'keep' the Law because the Spirit follows the 'intent' of the Law.
As Jesus said the Sabbath was made for man - not man for the Sabbath.

OK so we are not far apart then. So HOW do you show you love God and your neighbor?
 
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OK so we are not far apart then. So HOW do you show you love God and your neighbor?

For me this is a predetermined strategy that He has planned us to walk in and is quite specific.

For years I prayed 'Lord give me this day the desires to do your will and the grace to be obedient' - much of our guidance comes through desire...

Being open to Him daily with expectation will result in many divinely created encounters. We die daily and we walk with Him daily.

However this 'walking in the spirit' takes time to learn and the redemption of self must take place first.

Most times it is 'normal' encounters that have an impact that we don't realise.

Sometimes we wake with a passion to do or go quite specifically and this can lead to watching Him move in unexpected ways.

This is the life that many have been robbed of - walking with Him - seeing Him move in unexpected ways.

I have a passion to encourage this lost approach to life.
 
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It is not a departure! I posted EXACTLY what it said. NOWHERE in those verses does it imply they were Jews...
Ok, this is my last post. I do not agree with your narrative as it diminishes the point of the whole purpose of Paul's letter. Bondage through the law. Thanks for engaging.
 
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Yes, Jesus is the Word, but folks endlessly confuse the Word (Person of Jesus) and the word (scripture)

I did say loving your neighbour and loving God fulfils the Law.

I did say that if you follow the living Word of Jesus you would be fulfilling the Law.

You will notice I say fulfill rather than 'keep' the Law because the Spirit follows the 'intent' of the Law.
As Jesus said the Sabbath was made for man - not man for the Sabbath.

No one knows the living Word of God today without the written Word of God which reveals him. "Fulfill" does not mean abolish like many believe today but to establish and to do. No one has God's Spirit according to the scriptures by not believing and following Gods Word.
 
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Folks who follow Jesus are not Lawless...They follow the Law of the Spirit of Christ.
True yet many are today are preaching false gospels of "only believe" but without doing what God says. The devils also believe according to James but we know they will not be saved *James 2:19
 
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Ok, this is my last post. I do not agree with your narrative as it diminishes the point of the whole purpose of Paul's letter. Bondage through the law. Thanks for engaging.

Maria, I do not think @Yeshua HaDerekh is disagreeing with you that the book of Galatians is about those who seek to obey the works of the law in regards to their salvation without faith in Christ. The topic of the OP though is to specific scriptures Galatians 4:10-11 and he is focusing on this. Perhaps you can ask him?
 
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