'Public health experts' now call for three masks to stop the spread

Sophrosyne · Jan 27, 2021

Hans Blaster said:
edit: Anti-maskers are getting people killed.

I don't see it that way. What I've seen since all the mandatory masking started is stores that were once 1/4 full of people before masks with people distancing themselves almost religiously are now close to half full and people are a lot closer together and it is because people have been lead to believe all you have to do is wear a mask and you are safe..... they BELIEVE masks keep them safe. We never never never hear the percentage of people getting infected while wearing masks and that is a disservice to the public because if that number is pretty substantial people would take distancing a LOT more seriously and not trust masks that they think make them almost immune to infection. Now we have this idea that triple masking somehow is better than single masks but again we have no idea how much more effective it is, we have no idea how effective masks are still and if this idea has good merit why wasn't people paid in excess of $400k a year like Fauci smart enough to think of such ideas?

Sparagmos · Jan 27, 2021

Jeshu said:
What is wrong with God's design? If Covid is going to be my death i'll still be praising God for His good creation.

Do you just walk around naked? Don’t use any technology?

Sparagmos · Jan 27, 2021

Hammster said:
'Public health experts' now call for three masks to stop the spread

If two masks are better than one, are three masks better than two?

The answer coming in from the “public health expert” class is a resounding yes.

My friend who works at a hospital wears 2 (n95 and medical) plus a face shield for 12 hour shifts.

Hammster · Jan 28, 2021

Tanj said:
That is entirely false.

That’s mostly true. They do work in controlled environments.

Hammster · Jan 28, 2021

Halbhh said:
@Hammster

I'm thinking that the anti-mask ideology is actually about missing information.

They seem to be stuck arguing about an old issue I think was settled mostly in late Spring to early Summer of 2020.

Whether masks entirely prevent the spread of Covid -- Masks worn as Americans have worn them (inconsistently and often poorly) haven't prevented the spread, though the increasing mask wearing recently does seem to have helped slow and tame surges (as we have just witnessed, by observation, in the U.S. in the last month) so it's not just 100% one way or the other.

To entirely prevent spread is not even the main reason I wear a mask any more. (though I do know my doubled mask will probably keep me Covid free, there is a different goal that is the central goal for me).

But anti-maskers are stuck arguing the old argument from about 6-8 months ago.

Here's what I think is the most crucial missing information the anti-mask ideology hasn't learned:

Getting initially exposed to more virus (such as by not wearing a mask at all) leads to more severe illness. Getting initially exposed to less virus (from wearing a mask) leads to milder illness.

How much of the coronavirus does it take to make you sick? - STAT

Most virus is carried in droplets, which are globules of water and mucous and a lot of virus, in one ball. And which masks do catch and block.

That's why we heard reports from doctors that they noticed Covid patients that had worn masks were having generally milder illness.

So, the anti-maskers have a crucial missing information situation.

Nope, they aren’t missing anything. Some have actually read the studies that show they don’t work.

Hammster · Jan 28, 2021

Halbhh said:
Anti-maskers are going to get people killed.

Interesting. How well are those masks actually working?

Hammster · Jan 28, 2021

Sparagmos said:
My friend who works at a hospital wears 2 (n95 and medical) plus a face shield for 12 hour shifts.

That’s just crazy. But as long as they feel safe, then good on them.

Sparagmos · Jan 28, 2021

Hammster said:
That’s just crazy. But as long as they feel safe, then good on them.

It’s not crazy, it’s the only way to protect yourself when working with patients. One mask protects her primarily. The other protects others. The face shield protects her eyes. It’s what they all do. And clearly it works as they e all been around COVID patients and few have gotten sick.

Hammster · Jan 28, 2021

Sparagmos said:
It’s not crazy, it’s the only way to protect yourself when working with patients. One mask protects her primarily. The other protects others. The face shield protects her eyes. It’s what they all do. And clearly it works as they e all been around COVID patients and few have gotten sick.

How did they get sick?

Hans Blaster · Jan 28, 2021

Apparently, it's only the denial of the *existance* of COVID-19 that is against board rules. Sigh.

Robban · Jan 28, 2021

Halbhh said:
Anti-maskers are going to get people killed.

Thought it was the virus that killed.

Hammster said:
'Public health experts' now call for three masks to stop the spread

If two masks are better than one, are three masks better than two?

The answer coming in from the “public health expert” class is a resounding yes.

I was 3 years old when the war ended and we kept our government issued gasmasks long after.

We called them "mickey mouse" masks.

I cut mine up to make swimming goggles.

But they were what one could call "masks"

Today?

A piece of cloth or whatever, and you feel safe?

Laughable.

Besides, what does Hebrews 2:15 really mean?

Personaly I have One God and two worlds.

Robban · Jan 28, 2021

Or why not Hebrews 2:14-18.

Maybe the real expert is saying something in that text.

High Fidelity · Jan 28, 2021

Hammster said:
Since it’s been proven that one mask doesn’t work

Doesn't work?

Define doesn't work.

Is one mask going to absolutely eliminate the risk of Covid? No, but it will dramatically reduce the risk of contracting or transmitting it.

Some masks are better than others at protecting the wearer from Covid where there is the risk of aerosol transmission, but even one of those I wear for work, I then have to wear a second one over the top because the valve stops it getting it, then a second mask to protect others against what you breathe out.

So yes, masks absolutely work and are necessary in many instances. Also worth mentioning that a great number of people in the public aren't even wearing their mask properly because they have it below their nose anyway...

High Fidelity · Jan 28, 2021

Hammster said:
That’s just crazy. But as long as they feel safe, then good on them.

How is it crazy? The main areas at risk of exposure are the eyes, nose and mouth.

Covid is spread through micro droplets either directly by people not wearing masks/PPE from person-to-person or through indirect contact, e.g. surfaces where it can survive for varying levels of time.

The visor protects the face and eyes from micro droplets, the N95 protects the mouth and nose.

It is what it is. I'm in it for 8 hours a day too, but I'd rather be safe than risk myself, my family or others.

High Fidelity · Jan 28, 2021

Sparagmos said:
It’s not crazy, it’s the only way to protect yourself when working with patients. One mask protects her primarily. The other protects others. The face shield protects her eyes. It’s what they all do. And clearly it works as they e all been around COVID patients and few have gotten sick.

Yup. We've had 3 people get it, one of which was clearly breaking lockdown rules and mixing with large groups.

returntosender · Jan 28, 2021

High Fidelity said:
How is it crazy? The main areas at risk of exposure are the eyes, nose and mouth.

Covid is spread through micro droplets either directly by people not wearing masks/PPE from person-to-person or through indirect contact, e.g. surfaces where it can survive for varying levels of time.

The visor protects the face and eyes from micro droplets, the N95 protects the mouth and nose.

It is what it is. I'm in it for 8 hours a day too, but I'd rather be safe than risk myself, my family or others.

The visor wasn't around for at least the first 6 months of last year and since, the death rate is much higher than its ever been.
I think you all are up the wrong tree. If it is spread by droplets then why aren't gloves warn? Have you noticed that now gloves along with the other preventatives are being worn in most areas dealing with people but the general population is not and that is where it is now.
Also with the virus dying in 4 hours in most cases, why are masks only used one or two times before discarding, it is advised?
I think the authorities on illness are blowing smoke. How many times have they jumped from wearing masks to not wearing them and from wearing eye covering to not, etc.
I think it is all a guessing game. Duck and cover your body where ever it is possible. Micro wave your paper money only for 30 seconds just enough to be above 112 degree's. That includes your mail but warming is enough or spray it with hand sanitizer. Not enough is being done because no one really knows until they have done it and it worked which so far hasn't happened. In a year from now how do you suppose we are going to find the people who have gotten vaccinated? Will they be alive or healthy or will they have terrible side affects?

returntosender · Jan 28, 2021

This thread has been presented as a joke and it is not a joke.
What is it now, close to 500 hundred thousand have died in the U S so far?
ITS NO JOKE!

High Fidelity · Jan 28, 2021

alllivesmatter said:
The visor wasn't around for at least the first 6 months of last year and since, the death rate is much higher than its ever been.
I think you all are up the wrong tree. If it is spread by droplets then why aren't gloves warn? Have you noticed that now gloves along with the other preventatives are being worn in most areas dealing with people but the general population is not and that is where it is now.
Also with the virus dying in 4 hours in most cases, why are masks only used one or two times before discarding, it is advised?
I think the authorities on illness are blowing smoke. How many times have they jumped from wearing masks to not wearing them and from wearing eye covering to not, etc.
I think it is all a guessing game. Duck and cover your body where ever it is possible. Micro wave your paper money only for 30 seconds just enough to be above 112 degree's. That includes your mail but warming is enough or spray it with hand sanitizer. Not enough is being done because no one really knows until they have done it and it worked which so far hasn't happened. In a year from now how do you suppose we are going to find the people who have gotten vaccinated? Will they be alive or healthy or will they have terrible side affects?

We've been using the visor since the beginning and in many cases prior to Covid we used them too for a range of tasks.

We also wear gloves. The general public don't really need to wear gloves so long as they wash their hands regularly, sanitise where possible and avoid touching their face.

As for masks being single-use, they always have been. It's not about how long the virus can survive on that surface (which is still open to debate, but on some surfaces up to 30 days).

PPE has been commonplace and required in healthcare for most tasks as it creates a barrier that greatly reduces the risk of infection or cross-contamination entirely in some cases.

Masks aren't that much to ask of people to wear as they're arguably the most effective means, especially when coupled with social distancing, at reducing the spread of Covid.

Robban · Jan 28, 2021

High Fidelity said:
We've been using the visor since the beginning and in many cases prior to Covid we used them too for a range of tasks.

We also wear gloves. The general public don't really need to wear gloves so long as they wash their hands regularly, sanitise where possible and avoid touching their face.

As for masks being single-use, they always have been. It's not about how long the virus can survive on that surface (which is still open to debate, but on some surfaces up to 30 days).

PPE has been commonplace and required in healthcare for most tasks as it creates a barrier that greatly reduces the risk of infection or cross-contamination entirely in some cases.

Masks aren't that much to ask of people to wear as they're arguably the most effective means, especially when coupled with social distancing, at reducing the spread of Covid.

Keeping a distance and wearing gloves is a good idea.

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Hammster · Jan 28, 2021

High Fidelity said:
Doesn't work?

Define doesn't work.

Is one mask going to absolutely eliminate the risk of Covid? No, but it will dramatically reduce the risk of contracting or transmitting it.

Some masks are better than others at protecting the wearer from Covid where there is the risk of aerosol transmission, but even one of those I wear for work, I then have to wear a second one over the top because the valve stops it getting it, then a second mask to protect others against what you breathe out.

So yes, masks absolutely work and are necessary in many instances. Also worth mentioning that a great number of people in the public aren't even wearing their mask properly because they have it below their nose anyway...

Doesn’t work means that masks in uncontrolled environments have no bearing on the rate of infection.

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