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Hammster · Jan 26, 2021

zoidar said:
If you do something to be glorified it's of no glory. Striving to do things that is worthy to be glorified for is another matter. In Romans 2:7 worthy of glory is like you say Quasiblogo, honoring Christ, so seek the glory that comes from honoring Christ, but don't honor Christ for your own glory. Honoring Christ is put in opposition of not honoring truth. We do not honor Christ for our own glory, but for His glory.

You are correct. If I do something for my glory, it’s not glorifying. I’m just me, and I’m a sinner not worthy of glory. But what if God glorifies His Son? What if the Spirit makes Christ look big? What if the Father is honored by the Son? That’s perfection glorifying perfection. That’s sinlessness glorifying sinlessness.

But when He, the Spirit of truth, comes, He will guide you into all the truth; for He will not speak on His own initiative, but whatever He hears, He will speak; and He will disclose to you what is to come. He will glorify Me, for He will take of Mine and will disclose it to you.
— John 16:13-14

Jesus spoke these things; and lifting up His eyes to heaven, He said, “Father, the hour has come; glorify Your Son, that the Son may glorify You,
— John 17:1

mlepfitjw · Jan 26, 2021

2 Corinthians 3:18 But we all, with open face beholding as in a glass the glory of the Lord, are changed into the same image from glory to glory, even as by the Spirit of the Lord.

Here is something you might find interesting about glory. With the spirit of the Lord inside of you, as you continue your walk here on earth, you are going to be going to glory to glory, through faith in the Lord the more you endure trails and temptations through out your entire life.

Now God is going to see that glory with-in you at the end of your life, and you are going to receive that glory in the resurrection of your spiritual body going to God.

Now there are different measures of faith, and different glories of the stars, some shine dimly, some shine brightly.

The thing is not to be come conceited of someone else, provoke someone else, or be envying of someone else.

Strive to live at peace with all men if possible, and Love God, and Love others.

zoidar · Jan 26, 2021

Hammster said:
You are correct. If I do something for my glory, it’s not glorifying. I’m just me, and I’m a sinner not worthy of glory. But what if God glorifies His Son? What if the Spirit makes Christ look big? What if the Father is honored by the Son? That’s perfection glorifying perfection. That’s sinlessness glorifying sinlessness.

But when He, the Spirit of truth, comes, He will guide you into all the truth; for He will not speak on His own initiative, but whatever He hears, He will speak; and He will disclose to you what is to come. He will glorify Me, for He will take of Mine and will disclose it to you.
— John 16:13-14

Jesus spoke these things; and lifting up His eyes to heaven, He said, “Father, the hour has come; glorify Your Son, that the Son may glorify You,
— John 17:1

To say the Son glorifies the Father and the Father glorifies the Son is correct. To say God glorifies himself, I think is wrong.

Hammster · Jan 26, 2021

zoidar said:
To say the Son glorifies the Father and the Father glorifies the Son is correct. To say God glorifies himself, I think is wrong.

What’s the difference?

zoidar · Jan 26, 2021

Hammster said:
What’s the difference?

If you say God glorifies himself means the trinity glorifies himself, but the trinity doesn't. It's a relationship within the trinity.

Hammster · Jan 26, 2021

zoidar said:
If you say God glorifies himself means the trinity glorifies himself, but the trinity doesn't. It's a relationship within the trinity.

Again, what’s the difference?

zoidar · Jan 26, 2021

Hammster said:
Again, what’s the difference?

The three persons are not gloryfying the three persons. Don't you think it would be a difference if the Father or the Son glorified himself? What do you think would be the difference?

Hammster · Jan 26, 2021

zoidar said:
The three persons are not gloryfying the three persons. Don't you think it would be a difference if the Father or the Son glorified himself? What do you think would be the difference?

When God the Son glorifies God the Father, that’s “God” glorifying Himself.

mlepfitjw · Jan 26, 2021

All praise to God, the Father of our Lord Jesus Christ. It is by his great mercy that we have been born again, because God raised Jesus Christ from the dead. Now we live with great expectation,
4 and we have a priceless inheritance—an inheritance that is kept in heaven for you, pure and undefiled, beyond the reach of change and decay.
5 And through your faith, God is protecting you by his power until you receive this salvation, which is ready to be revealed on the last day for all to see.

mlepfitjw · Jan 26, 2021

@zoidar Hey your remarks are valid you don't have to justify them to anyone! You believe and you trust God. Do not be discouraged and trust God.

Joshua 1:9 Have I not commanded you? Be strong and courageous. Do not be afraid; do not be discouraged, for the Lord your God will be with you wherever you go.”

mlepfitjw · Jan 26, 2021

Galatians 3:26 For you are all children of God through faith in Christ Jesus.

Quasiblogo · Jan 26, 2021

zoidar said:
If you do something to be glorified it's of no glory. Striving to do things that is worthy to be glorified for is another matter. In Romans 2:7 worthy of glory is like you say Quasiblogo, honoring Christ, so seek the glory that comes from honoring Christ, but don't honor Christ for your own glory. Honoring Christ is put in opposition of not honoring truth. We do not honor Christ for our own glory, but for His glory.

I’m sure of what I posted and what it means, and you are right as well.

Quasiblogo · Jan 26, 2021

Albion said:
Ellicott's Commentary puts this into perspective for us:

"The phrase 'glory, and honor, and immortality' is practically equivalent to 'eternal life.' 'Those who honestly seek for this life shall find it.'"

Right. To fellowship with and enjoy the King of Glory. To be in awe of God’s glory and as the Scriptures say, “Give Him glory”—affirm to God how glorious He IS.

George Antonios · Jan 27, 2021

Agallagher said:
Did Matthew when Jesus stated ‘follow me’ make the choice to do so? Maybe this one was predestined?

In the Bible, predestination is never, ever, ever, that of lost man unto salvation.
Predestination is always that of a saved man unto a glorified Christ's-image-bearing resurrection body.
That's what you get if you let the scriptures speak for themselves, in context, and with defining cross-references, without looking at them through any theologically-coloured glasses.

This study proves, diligently, and scripturally, the following:

No verse ever clearly specifies when predestination (not election) occurs
There is no predestination unto salvation in the Bible
Predestination is always unto adoption (not salvation)
Adoption is the redemption of the body (not the soul)
Adoption occurs at the resurrection
Adoption is a blessing accompanying salvation but not salvation itself

BBAS 64 · Jan 28, 2021

zoidar said:
My understanding is that God saves us because He loves us, not to get glory. If He did it for His own glory it would be of no glory at all, but really a selfish thing. He is glorified when He saves us, but He is not saving us to get glory.

Good day,

I know this has been cover by Hamster, but to add.

He chose us in Him before the foundation of the world, that we would be holy and blameless before Him. In love 5 He predestined us to adoption as sons through Jesus Christ to Himself, according to the kind intention of His will, 6 to the praise of the glory of His grace.

He is motivated by love... yes but he does it to the praise and glory of His grace.

Biblical Texts to Show God’s Zeal for His Own Glory

In Him,

Bill

BBAS 64 · Jan 28, 2021

George Antonios said:
In the Bible, predestination is never, ever, ever, that of lost man unto salvation.
Predestination is always that of a saved man unto a glorified Christ's-image-bearing resurrection body.
That's what you get if you let the scriptures speak for themselves, in context, and with defining cross-references, without looking at them through any theologically-coloured glasses.

This study proves, diligently, and scripturally, the following:

No verse ever clearly specifies when predestination (not election) occurs

There is no predestination unto salvation in the Bible

Predestination is always unto adoption (not salvation)

Adoption is the redemption of the body (not the soul)

Adoption occurs at the resurrection

Adoption is a blessing accompanying salvation but not salvation itself

Good Day, George Antonios

Sort of reminds me of Luther on Romans... another reason I am not a member of the Roman church.

The second thought is that all objections to predestination proceed from the wisdom of the flesh. Hence, whoever does not deny himself and does not learn to keep his thoughts in subjection to the divine will, never will find an answer to his questions. And that rightly so, for the foolish wisdom of the flesh exalts itself above God and judges his will, just as though this were of little importance… For this reason the Apostle refutes all objections with two brief statements [Rom 9:20 and 21].

Book of Romans - Martin Luther’s Bible Commentary

In Him,

Bill

BBAS 64 · Jan 28, 2021

dunricky said:
Can someone explain Romans 8:29 - 8:30? KJV uses predestinate instead of foreordained like I believe ESV does.

Good Day, Dunricky

Not sure there is a "big" difference between the two, they are both verbs that which God does

hayer Definition:
1) to have knowledge before hand
2) to foreknow
2a) of those whom God elected to salvation
3) to predestinate
Part of Speech: verb

Thayer Definition:
1) to predetermine, decide beforehand
2) in the NT of God decreeing from eternity
3) to foreordain, appoint beforehand
Part of Speech: verb

Just a side: The KJV translators were High Church Calvinist

You may find this helpful to compare the verb foreknow vs. the noun.

In Him,

Bill

zoidar · Jan 28, 2021

BBAS 64 said:
Good day,

I know this has been cover by Hamster, but to add.

He chose us in Him before the foundation of the world, that we would be holy and blameless before Him. In love 5 He predestined us to adoption as sons through Jesus Christ to Himself, according to the kind intention of His will, 6 to the praise of the glory of His grace.

He is motivated by love... yes but he does it to the praise and glory of His grace.

Biblical Texts to Show God’s Zeal for His Own Glory

In Him,

Bill

He saves us because of His grace and mercy, not to earn grace. And because He saves us He is worth all our praise.

zoidar · Jan 28, 2021

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BBAS 64 · Jan 28, 2021

zoidar said:
He saves us because of His grace and mercy, not to earn grace. And because He saves us He is worth all our praise.

Good Day, Zoidar

He is worth of our Praise simply because He is God, and if he chose to do nothing He would still be worthy.

In Him,

Bill

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