ARE YOU READY FOR THE MARK OF THE BEAST?

Ed Parenteau · Jan 26, 2021

LoveGodsWord said:
NOTE: Receiving God’s Spirit is conditional on seeking GOD’S FORGIVENESS in CONFESSION AND REPENTANCE of our sins and be baptized before we can RECEIVE the gift of God’s Spirit.

This interpretation is falsified by scripture you quoted:

LoveGodsWord said:
JOHN 14:15-26 [15], If you love me, keep my commandments. [16], and I will pray the Father, and he shall give you another Comforter, that he may abide with you forever; [17], Even the Spirit of truth; whom the world cannot receive, because it sees him not, neither knows him: but you know him; for he dwells with you, and shall be in you.

Notice in verse 17 it says ..."whom the world cannot receive, because it sees him not, neither knows him:...
The problem as I see it, is that you're mixing the old covenant requirements with the new covenant which is given by grace in which he then places the law onto our hearts. It has become our nature to keep out of love. Not out of necessity as a deterrent from punishment.

Hebrews 10:
11Every priest stands daily ministering and offering time after time the same sacrifices, which can never take away sins; 12but He, having offered one sacrifice for sins for all time, SAT DOWN AT THE RIGHT HAND OF GOD, 13waiting from that time onward UNTIL HIS ENEMIES ARE MADE A FOOTSTOOL FOR HIS FEET. 14For by one offering He has perfected for all time those who are sanctified. 15And the Holy Spirit also testifies to us; for after saying,

16“THIS IS THE COVENANT WHICH I WILL MAKE WITH THEM

AFTER THOSE DAYS, DECLARES THE LORD:

I WILL PUT MY LAWS UPON THEIR HEARTS,

AND WRITE THEM ON THEIR MIND,”

He then says,

17“AND THEIR SINS AND THEIR LAWLESS DEEDS

I WILL NO LONGER REMEMBER.” 18Now where there is forgiveness of these things, an offering for sin is no longer required.

LoveGodsWord · Jan 26, 2021

Ed Parenteau said:
This interpretation is falsified by scripture you quoted:

Notice in verse 17 it says ..."whom the world cannot receive, because it sees him not, neither knows him:...
The problem as I see it, is that you're mixing the old covenant requirements with the new covenant which is given by grace in which he then places the law onto our hearts. It has become our nature to keep out of love. Not out of necessity as a deterrent from punishment.

Hebrews 10:
11Every priest stands daily ministering and offering time after time the same sacrifices, which can never take away sins; 12but He, having offered one sacrifice for sins for all time, SAT DOWN AT THE RIGHT HAND OF GOD, 13waiting from that time onward UNTIL HIS ENEMIES ARE MADE A FOOTSTOOL FOR HIS FEET. 14For by one offering He has perfected for all time those who are sanctified. 15And the Holy Spirit also testifies to us; for after saying,

16“THIS IS THE COVENANT WHICH I WILL MAKE WITH THEM

AFTER THOSE DAYS, DECLARES THE LORD:

I WILL PUT MY LAWS UPON THEIR HEARTS,

AND WRITE THEM ON THEIR MIND,”

He then says,

17“AND THEIR SINS AND THEIR LAWLESS DEEDS

I WILL NO LONGER REMEMBER.” 18Now where there is forgiveness of these things, an offering for sin is no longer required.

No one loves God by breaking His commandments and not believing and following God's Word *John 14:15; John 15:10; 1 John 5:3; 1 John 2:3-4; 1 John 3:6-9; Romans 3:31; John 10:26-27; Revelation 14:12; Revelation 22:14. God's salvation is conditional on believing and following God's Word, not disobeying what God's Word says *1 John 1:9; Acts of the Apostles 2:38; Acts of the Apostles 3:19; Hebrews 10:26-31; Matthew 7:21-23.

LoveGodsWord · Jan 26, 2021

klutedavid said:
The mark of the beast is not a day of the week, that you attend church.

Revelation 13:17
And he provides that no one will be able to buy or to sell, except the one who has the mark, either the name of the beast or the number of his name.

The mark is the number of his name or the name itself. That's what the scripture states and that is what you should accept.

No one said the "Mark of the Beast" is the day you attend Church. The "Mark of the beast" is over worship and sin (breaking God's commandments) and not believing and following God's Word..

Revelation 14:8-12 [8], And there followed another angel, saying, Babylon is fallen, is fallen, that great city, because she made all nations drink of the wine of the wrath of her fornication.
[9], And the third angel followed them, saying with a loud voice, If any man worship the beast and his image, and receive his mark in his forehead, or in his hand, [10], The same shall drink of the wine of the wrath of God, which is poured out without mixture into the cup of his indignation; and he shall be tormented with fire and brimstone in the presence of the holy angels, and in the presence of the Lamb: [11], And the smoke of their torment ascends up for ever and ever: and they have no rest day nor night, who worship the beast and his image, and whoever receives the mark of his name. [12], Here is the patience of the saints: here are they that keep the commandments of God, and the faith of Jesus.

Who are we following man or God?

klutedavid · Jan 26, 2021

LoveGodsWord said:
No one said the "Mark of the Beast" is the day you attend Church. The "Mark of the beast" is over worship and sin (breaking God's commandments) and not believing and following God's Word..

Revelation 14:8-12 [8], And there followed another angel, saying, Babylon is fallen, is fallen, that great city, because she made all nations drink of the wine of the wrath of her fornication.
[9], And the third angel followed them, saying with a loud voice, If any man worship the beast and his image, and receive his mark in his forehead, or in his hand, [10], The same shall drink of the wine of the wrath of God, which is poured out without mixture into the cup of his indignation; and he shall be tormented with fire and brimstone in the presence of the holy angels, and in the presence of the Lamb: [11], And the smoke of their torment ascends up for ever and ever: and they have no rest day nor night, who worship the beast and his image, and whoever receives the mark of his name. [12], Here is the patience of the saints: here are they that keep the commandments of God, and the faith of Jesus.

Who are we following man or God?

You are contradicting the SDA.

You said the following.

No one said the "Mark of the Beast" is the day you attend Church.

The mark of the beast involves the substitution of a human commandment for God’s commandment. The greatest evidence of this fact is the humanly established institution of Sunday (Dan. 7:25) as the day of worship instead of the seventh-day Sabbath, the day mandated in Scripture by our Creator. (https://ssnet.org/blog/thursday-mark-of-beast)

The greatest observable evidence of the mark of the beast, is attending church on Sunday.

LoveGodsWord · Jan 26, 2021

klutedavid said:
You are contradicting the SDA.

You said the following.The mark of the beast involves the substitution of a human commandment for God’s commandment. The greatest evidence of this fact is the humanly established institution of Sunday (Dan. 7:25) as the day of worship instead of the seventh-day Sabbath, the day mandated in Scripture by our Creator. (https://ssnet.org/blog/thursday-mark-of-beast)

The greatest observable evidence of the mark of the beast, is attending church on Sunday.

No dear friend. I am contradicting what you said. That quote that you provided does not say people receive the Mark of the Beast by going to Church on Sunday. It is about breaking God's 4th commandments of the 10 commandments that give us the knowledge of what sin is when broken *Romans 3:20; Romans 7:7. As posted before it is over sin (knowingly breaking God's Law) *1 John 3:4 not going to church on a Sunday.

klutedavid · Jan 27, 2021

LoveGodsWord said:
No dear friend. I am contradicting what you said. That quote that you provided does not say people receive the Mark of the Beast by going to Church on Sunday. It is about breaking God's 4th commandments of the 10 commandments that give us the knowledge of what sin is when broken *Romans 3:20; Romans 7:7. As posted before it is over sin (knowingly breaking God's Law) *1 John 3:4 not going to church on a Sunday.

I will print what that post said again.

The greatest evidence of this fact is the humanly established institution of Sunday (Dan. 7:25) as the day of worship instead of the seventh-day Sabbath, the day mandated in Scripture by our Creator.

That is the mark of the beast, Sunday attendance.

I never said that people receive the mark by going to church on Sunday. I said that the greatest evidence of the mark of the beast. The most observable evidence is Sunday church attendance. Let's get the facts sorted out. Your claim is not true.

Ed Parenteau · Jan 27, 2021

LoveGodsWord said:
Nonsense. No one loves God by breaking His commandments and not believing and following God's Word *John 14:15; John 15:10; 1 John 5:3; 1 John 2:3-4; 1 John 3:6-9; Romans 3:31; John 10:26-27; Revelation 14:12; Revelation 22:14. God's salvation is conditional on believing and following God's Word, not disobeying what God's Word says *1 John 1:9; Acts of the Apostles 2:38; Acts of the Apostles 3:19; Hebrews 10:26-31; Matthew 7:21-23.

Do you always delve in strawman arguments? No one said that. I said this: "given by grace, he then places the law onto our hearts. It has become our nature to keep out of love. Not out of necessity as a deterrent from punishment."
Paul, the fastidious law keeper, included himself in the following:
Eph 2: 1And you were dead in the trespasses and sins 2in which you once walked, following the course of this world, following the prince of the power of the air, the spirit that is now at work in the sons of disobedience— 3among whom we all once lived in the passions of our flesh, carrying out the desires of the body and the mind, and were by nature children of wrath, like the rest of mankind. 4But God, being rich in mercy, because of the great love with which he loved us, 5even when we were dead in our trespasses, made us alive together with Christ—by grace you have been saved— 6and raised us up with him and seated us with him in the heavenly places in Christ Jesus,

LoveGodsWord · Jan 27, 2021

klutedavid said:
I will print what that post said again.That is the mark of the beast, Sunday attendance. I never said that people receive the mark by going to church on Sunday. I said that the greatest evidence of the mark of the beast. The most observable evidence is Sunday church attendance. Let's get the facts sorted out. Your claim is not true.

As posted earlier, no one said the "Mark of the Beast" is the day you attend Church and neither did the quote you provided. Your claiming things no one is saying, said or believes.

LoveGodsWord · Jan 27, 2021

Ed Parenteau said:
Do you always delve in strawman arguments? No one said that. I said this: "given by grace, he then places the law onto our hearts. It has become our nature to keep out of love. Not out of necessity as a deterrent from punishment."
Paul, the fastidious law keeper, included himself in the following:
Eph 2: 1And you were dead in the trespasses and sins 2in which you once walked, following the course of this world, following the prince of the power of the air, the spirit that is now at work in the sons of disobedience— 3among whom we all once lived in the passions of our flesh, carrying out the desires of the body and the mind, and were by nature children of wrath, like the rest of mankind. 4But God, being rich in mercy, because of the great love with which he loved us, 5even when we were dead in our trespasses, made us alive together with Christ—by grace you have been saved— 6and raised us up with him and seated us with him in the heavenly places in Christ Jesus,

And what strawman argument would that be? How does anything you have posted here or elsewhere disagree with anything I have posted here in the scriptures? - It doesn't. The way that I see it is that your presuming I believe things that I do not without asking me what I believe. It might be easier to ask me what it is I actually believe and why rather than thinking I believe things I do not.

Ceallaigh · Jan 27, 2021

Lost4words said:
The beast. Yes, that was Nero. Revelation was written for those of the generation of the Apostles.

There's no fun in that. Six hundred and sixty six versions of the mark of the beast in our immediate future is where the action is.

Original Happy Camper · Jan 27, 2021

klutedavid said:
That is the mark of the beast, Sunday attendance.

Only after being enforced by secular/man made law is it the mark of the beast

Ed Parenteau · Jan 27, 2021

LoveGodsWord said:
And what strawman argument would that be? How does anything you have posted here or elsewhere disagree with anything I have posted here in the scriptures? - It doesn't. The way that I see it is that your presuming I believe things that I do not without asking me what I believe. It might be easier to ask me what it is I actually believe and why rather than thinking I believe things I do not.

In response to me, you said:

LoveGodsWord said:
Nonsense. No one loves God by breaking His commandments and not believing and following God's Word

LoveGodsWord · Jan 27, 2021

Ed Parenteau said:
In response to me, you said:

Do you believe we can love God by breaking His commandments and not believing and following Gods Word? What is your point? - You have not made one.

Ed Parenteau · Jan 27, 2021

LoveGodsWord said:
Do you believe we can love God by breaking His commandments and not believing and following Gods Word? What is your point? - You have not made one.

I see it this way
1 John 4:19 We love Him because He first loved us.

Matthew 22:36“Teacher, which is the great commandment in the Law?” 37And he said to him, “You shall love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind. 38This is the great and first commandment. 39And a second is like it: You shall love your neighbor as yourself. 40On these two commandments depend all the Law and the Prophets.”

John 14:21
Whoever has My commandments and keeps them is the one who loves Me. The one who loves Me will be loved by My Father, and I will love him and reveal Myself to him."

LoveGodsWord · Jan 29, 2021

Ed Parenteau said:
I see it this way
1 John 4:19 We love Him because He first loved us.

Matthew 22:36“Teacher, which is the great commandment in the Law?” 37And he said to him, “You shall love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind. 38This is the great and first commandment. 39And a second is like it: You shall love your neighbor as yourself. 40On these two commandments depend all the Law and the Prophets.”

John 14:21
Whoever has My commandments and keeps them is the one who loves Me. The one who loves Me will be loved by My Father, and I will love him and reveal Myself to him."

True, but did you notice loving God is not separate from God's law but expressed through obedience to God's law? *Matthew 22:36-40. Love is expressed through obedience to Gods' law not by breaking Gods law. (e.g. If you love your neighbor you do not murder them or steal from them).

Ed Parenteau · Jan 30, 2021

LoveGodsWord said:
True, but did you notice loving God is not separate from God's law but expressed through obedience to God's law? *Matthew 22:36-40. Love is expressed through obedience to Gods' law not by breaking Gods law. (e.g. If you love your neighbor you do not murder them or steal from them).

Christ's commandments are the words the Father gave Him to speak. His commandments are his words.

Deuteronomy 18:18
I will raise up for them a prophet like you from among their brothers. I will put My words in his mouth, and he will tell them everything I command him.

John 12: 47And if any man hear my words, and believe not, I judge him not: for I came not to judge the world, but to save the world. 48He that rejecteth me, and receiveth not my words, hath one that judgeth him: the word that I have spoken, the same shall judge him in the last day. 49For I have not spoken of myself; but the Father which sent me, he gave me a commandment, what I should say, and what I should speak. 50And I know that his commandment is life everlasting: whatsoever I speak therefore, even as the Father said unto me, so I speak.

John 8:51
Truly, truly, I tell you, if anyone keeps My word, he will never see death."
John 14:15
If you love Me, you will keep My commandments.
John 14:24
Whoever does not love Me does not keep My words. The word that you hear is not My own, but it is from the Father who sent Me.

JLB777 · Jan 30, 2021

Original Happy Camper said:
Okay what is the number of his name and his name?

Got to know his name in order to not be deceived

Do you know of anyone who is required to have a mark on their right hand or forehead in order to buy or sell things.

And he deceives those who dwell on the earth by those signs which he was granted to do in the sight of the beast, telling those who dwell on the earth to make an image to the beast who was wounded by the sword and lived. He was granted power to give breath to the image of the beast, that the image of the beast should both speak and cause as many as would not worship the image of the beast to be killed. He causes all, both small and great, rich and poor, free and slave, to receive a mark on their right hand or on their foreheads, and that no one may buy or sell except one who has the mark or the name of the beast, or the number of his name.
Here is wisdom. Let him who has understanding calculate the number of the beast, for it is the number of a man: His number is 666.
Revelation 13:14-18

If your answer in no, then the mark of the beast has not yet been implemented and is still unknown.

JLB

JLB777 · Jan 30, 2021

ItIsFinished! said:
The OT saints are not part of the Church.
They resurrect at the end of the 7 year Tribulation with the Tribulation saints at The Second Coming of Christ .

Please provide scripture for us to examine your claims?

Original Happy Camper · Jan 30, 2021

JLB777 said:
If your answer in no, then the mark of the beast has not yet been implemented and is still unknown.

yes my answer is no

however

Amos 3:7
Surely the Lord God will do nothing, but he revealeth his secret unto his servants the prophets.

Study, seek and you shall find the truth that he has revealed through his word by the prophets

klutedavid · Jan 30, 2021

Original Happy Camper said:
are you willing to bet your eternal life on your interpretation of the mark of the beast?

I do not interpret the text. The text is simple and clear. The mark of the beast is the number of the beast's name or the name itself.

ARE YOU READY FOR THE MARK OF THE BEAST?

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