The New Covenant

Ceallaigh · Jan 26, 2021

Douggg said:
The great white throne judgment will have taken place and the new heaven, new earth, new Jerusalem created and it appears that everyone will be in their eternal bodies. Revelation 21 and the beginning of Revelation 22, have to some things in them that to me (and I think others) are not totally understood - before you launch onto a big argument .

My knowledge/interest in eschatology is too dusty for me to launch into an argument. Unless maybe I wanted to probe a little to clarify something you said.

Douggg · Jan 26, 2021

MMXX said:
My knowledge/interest in eschatology is too dusty for me to launch into an argument. Unless maybe I wanted to probe a little to clarify something you said.

Thanks for being merciful....

. I sometimes get wore out with the arguments. Eschatology, I know. Having the answers for everything... no, I don't.

Ceallaigh · Jan 26, 2021

Guojing said:
I am still waiting for someone to show me scripture on what the destinies for national Israel and the Body of Christ will be "after the 1000 year millennial reign of Christ", before I come to any conclusion about that.

But one step at a time, let us get to that rapture of the Body of Christ first (1 Corinthians 15:51-58), and watch the 7 year Tribulation from heaven first. =)

There's enough different beliefs and variables in that, that I tend not to spend much time on trying to figure out who's right. There are people long dead who spent a long lives saying "we are in the end times, the rapture will take place very soon" with each passing decade.

Douggg · Jan 26, 2021

MMXX said:
There's enough different beliefs and variables in that, that I tend not to spend much time on trying to figure out who's right. There are people long dead who spent a long lives saying "we are in the end times, the rapture will take place very soon" with each passing decade.

But that doesn't make the end times prophecies untrue, nor not understandable.

It takes effort, prayer, desire, though.

Ceallaigh · Jan 26, 2021

Douggg said:
Thanks for being merciful..... I sometimes get wore out with the arguments. Eschatology, I know. Having the answers for everything... no, I don't.

No it certainly doesn't make it untrue or unworthy of study. But it's not one of my personal priorities. To be honest, with being a noob to this particular forum, I didn't notice this thread was in the eschatology end times section. If I had I probably would have skipped it.

keras · Jan 26, 2021

some very confusd people here!
What WILL happen:

The enemies of the Lord gather - Micah 4:11-12, Ezekiel 36:2

They conspire to attack Israel - Psalms 83:1-8, Isaiah 21:2

They prepare their weapons - Psalms 7:12, Ezekiel 7:14
This is the situation today.

At the moment of attack, God will use His Creation, the sun to send fire - Deuteronomy 32:22 & 34-43, Isaiah 30:26 & 30, Psalms 11:4-6, Isaiah 66:15-17, 2 Peter 3:7, Amos 1:1-15 & 2:1-5, , Psalms 50:1-3, Zephaniah 3:8, Revelation 6:12-17

The sun will explode with an extremely bright flash and the moon will reflect bright red - Isaiah 30:26, Joel 2:31, Acts 2:20, Habakkuk 3:4-5

The Lord will make their weapons recoil upon themselves:
The Electro-Magnetic Pulse hit will cause them to explode - Psalms 7:13-16, Joel 3:4, Obadiah 15

Then the sun, moon and stars will be obscured by the approaching Coronal Mass Ejection - Psalms 18:11-12, Isaiah 13:9-13, Ezekiel 32:7-8, Amos 8:9

A huge superhot mass of hydrogen plasma approaches the earth – Joel 1:15-20, Malachi 4:1, Zephaniah 1:14-18

Everyone on earth will be shocked and terrified - Jeremiah 6:24-26, Ezekiel 21:5-7a, Isaiah 13:6-8, Revelation 6:15-17

The atmosphere will be pushed aside – Revelation 6:14, 2 Peter 3:10, Isaiah 34:4

As the earth rotates, the area facing the sun will be enveloped by fire - Isaiah 66:15, Zeph. 3:8, 2 Peter 3:7

In the Holy Land, only a remnant will survive - Zechariah 13:8-9, Isaiah 6:11-13

He will punish His enemies, the attackers of Israel- Psalms 83, Isaiah 63:1-6, Habakkuk 3:12, Revelation 14 18-20, Isaiah 66:17, Isaiah 29:20-21, Hebrews 10:27

His enemies will become ashes - Malachi 4:3, Ezekiel 30:1-5, Jeremiah 49:2, Matthew 3:12b

Millions will die around the world - Psalms 97:3-5, Jeremiah 25:33, Isaiah 13:12

The Lord will protect those who call to Him - Isaiah 43:2, Joel 2:32, Acts 2:21, Psalms 91

But most people will take shelter until it passes. Isaiah 2:19, Revelation 6:15

The survivors will form a One World Govt, of ten region, each with a Governor. - Daniel 7:23-24, Revelation 17:12

The Holy Land will be regenerated - Ezekiel 36:8, Joel 2:21-24, Isaiah 35:1-10, Amos 9:13-15, Jeremiah 33:12-14

And the Lord's faithful Christian people will gather there. - Psalms 107, Isaiah 35:1-10, Ezekiel 34:11-16, Isaiah 66:18b-21, Revelation 7:9-14

They will become the new nation of Beulah - Isaiah 62:1-5, Ezekiel 36:3-38, Jer. 31

They will build a new Temple – Zechariah 6:15, Haggai 2:9, Ezekiel 40 to 48

The attack by a Northern army will be won by the Lord – Ezekiel 38:22, Joel 2:20

The leaders of Beulah will break the Covenant with the Lord and sign a 7 year peace treaty with the one leader of the O.W.G. Daniel 9:27, Isaiah 28:14-15

At the midpoint he will break the treaty and conquer Beulah-Daniel 9:27, Zechariah 14:1-2

This commences the 7 Trumpets and 7 Bowls of the Great Tribulation - Rev 8:2 to Revelation 19:10.

Those who kept their faith in God will be taken to a safe place on earth. Daniel 11:32b, Revelation 12:14

3.5 years later, Jesus will Return in His glory, for His Millennial reign - Revelation 19:11-21, Matthew 24:30-31, Zechariah 14:3-4

The Lord has told us His plans and He will not relent or change them - Jeremiah 4:28
There are plenty more prophecies and scriptures to prove this scenario.

Believe it or not it’s up to everyone to decide! Psalms 19:11-12, Isaiah 48:6

Douggg · Jan 26, 2021

@keras

Explain this verse in your scenario...

Matthew 24:31 And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.

keras · Jan 26, 2021

Douggg said:
@keras

Explain this verse in your scenario...

Matthew 24:31 And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.

Jesus' Return in glory; obviously from verse 30.
All the faithful Christians who survive until then, who will mostly be the ones kept in the place of safety, Revelation 12:14, will be brought to Jerusalem, to be His priests and co-rulers. Revelation 5:9-10

Douggg · Jan 26, 2021

keras said:
Jesus' Return in glory; obviously from verse 30.
All the faithful Christians who survive until then, who will mostly be the ones kept in the place of safety, Revelation 12:14, will be brought to Jerusalem, to be His priests and co-rulers. Revelation 5:9-10

The place of safety for them in Israel at the time is in the mountains of Israel.

Matthew 24:31 does not seem to be talking about the mountains of Israel. But from different parts of the globe, and from heaven.

Matthew 24:31 And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.

Ceallaigh · Jan 26, 2021

This looks interesting: “In the New Covenant context, Israel is the Church, ‘the Israel of God"

Guojing · Jan 26, 2021

MMXX said:
This looks interesting: “In the New Covenant context, Israel is the Church, ‘the Israel of God"

That seems to imply that all those who believe the Body of Christ is currently under the New Covenant, are subscribing to "some" form of replacement theology.

jgr · Jan 26, 2021

Douggg said:
Please make, stick to, biblical arguments for your position.
And not make personal comparisons.

Clement of Alexandria made and stuck to Biblical arguments.

Ceallaigh · Jan 26, 2021

Guojing said:
That seems to imply that all those who believe the Body of Christ is currently under the New Covenant, are subscribing to "some" form of replacement theology.

I imagine that's position of one of the two debating. I haven't listened to it yet, so that's why I said it looks interesting. I know that Steve Gregg is a partial preterist iirc. I don't know the other person.

jgr · Jan 26, 2021

Guojing said:
That seems to imply that all those who believe the Body of Christ is currently under the New Covenant, are subscribing to "some" form of replacement theology.

The Scriptural antidote to replacement biology.

Douggg · Jan 26, 2021

jgr said:
Clement of Alexandria made and stuck to Biblical arguments.

Clement is not posting in this forum. Nor is he comparing himself to other posters in this thread.

Please use biblical arguments for your position.

jgr · Jan 26, 2021

Douggg said:
Clement is not posting in this forum. Nor is he comparing himself to other posters in this thread.

Please use biblical arguments for your position.

I'm posting Clement in this forum.

He said "...And about to be offered up and giving Himself a ransom, He left for us a new Covenant-testament..."

Do you not think that to be Biblical?

Or would you rather I posted one of your Jewish rabbis?

keras · Jan 27, 2021

Douggg said:
The place of safety for them in Israel at the time is in the mountains of Israel.

The place where the Christian Jews escaped to in the first century, was Pella, on the north Eastern side of the Jordan. Past history.

Douggg said:
Matthew 24:31 does not seem to be talking about the mountains of Israel. But from different parts of the globe, and from heaven.

Yes, Jesus' angels will collect every living Christian at His Return, from every part of the world, but most will come from where the Lord has put them; Revelation 12:14. Isaiah 24:14-16

jgr · Jan 27, 2021

keras said:
The place where the Christian Jews escaped to in the first century, was Pella, on the north Eastern side of the Jordan. Past history.

Right on.

jgr · Jan 27, 2021

keras said:
I just let others here see how you make personal remarks and wrong assumptions. You have lost all credibility here.

Your weak argument from the ECF's, in favor of the new Covenant now, totally fails to rebut the scriptures I have presented that prove the NC later.

Still awaiting your response to post 291.

keras · Jan 27, 2021

Stand by the truths you have learned :

2 Timothy 3:1-17 Remember, the final age of this world is to be a time of turmoil! People will love nothing but self and money, they will be boastful, arrogant and abusive. Disobedient to parents, devoid of gratitude, piety and natural affection. They will be uncontrolled in their violence, hating all goodness, perfidious, foolhardy and self important. They will love their pleasures more than their God.

While preserving the outward form of religion, actually, they deny its power. Have nothing to do with them.

Persecution will indeed come to everyone who wants to lead a godly life as a follower of Christ Jesus, while evil doers and imposters will go from bad to worse, deceiving and being deceived.

But for your part, stand by the truths you have learned and are assured of, because you are familiar with the Holy scriptures which have the power to make you wise and lead you into salvation through faith in Christ Jesus.

All inspired scripture has its use for teaching the truth, refuting error and training in righteousness, so that the man of God may be capable and equipped for good works of every kind.

2 Timothy 4:1-5 Before God and before Christ Jesus, who is to judge the living and the dead, I charge you solemnly by His coming appearing and Millennial reign – to proclaim the gospel, press it home, in season and out of season, use argument, reproof and encouragement with all the patience that teaching requires.

For the time will come when people will not stand sound teaching, but each will follow his own ideas and will gather crowds to hear whatever they fancy. They will stop their ears to the truth and turn aside to myths.
Prime example: the ‘rapture’.

But, you must keep your head whatever happens; put up with hardship, work to spread the gospel and discharge all the duties of your calling.

Isaiah 29:10-24 The prophetic vision has become as a sealed book for you.

Because this people worship Me with empty words, while their hearts are far from Me, therefore I shall shock this people again. Wisdom will vanish.

In a very short time, the Land will be regenerated. On that day the deaf will hear and the blind will see. The humble will rejoice in the Lord, but the cruel and arrogant will cease to exist.

The Lord says; This is not the time for Jacob to be concerned, for his descendants will honor My name when they see what I have done in their midst. The confused will gain understanding and the obstinate, accept instruction.

Jeremiah 9:23-24 These are the words of the Lord; Let not the wise boast of their wisdom, nor the brave of their bravery. Let not the wealthy boast of their wealth, but if anyone must boast, let them boast of this – that they understand and acknowledge Me. For I am the Lord God, I show unfailing love. I do justice and right on the earth. In this I take pleasure.

Ref: REB, NIV. Some verses abridged.

The New Covenant

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