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No, you can't. 1 John 2:3 says we can have an assurance of knowing the Lord if we keep His commandments.

How do you learn about the commandments of Jesus without a Bible?

You cannot.
You know the Lord by keeping all the commandments including the 4th commandment. The one God asked us not to forget but Remember. This is the most important commandment on how we get to know God every week on His Sabbath, the only day He deemed Holy and Blessed. The only day He Sanctified.
The 4th commandment is about spending time with God, every Sabbath on His Holy day. When you spend time with someone you get to know them.

I find it interesting you say to obey His commandments, but state the only commandment we should “forget” is the one God asked us to “Remember”.

God says He changes not, this includes His Sabbath, the day that Jesus also kept. The day has never changed that is why in Isaiah 66:23 all will worship Him every Sabbath on the New Earth.
 
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I would say the Bible gives accurate quotes, at times, of wrong things people have said. And we should not assume what they say is correct, then.

Satan is quoted. And I would not assume what he says is correct!

God also tells stories in the Bible to make a spiritual point. God tells a narrative that has an overall spiritual message to it. For example: The temptation of Christ shows us that one way we can defeat the enemy by quoting Scripture when we are tempted. It does not mean the words in all of Scripture is any less inspired or put forth by God.
 
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You know the Lord by keeping all the commandments including the 4th commandment. The one God asked us not to forget but Remember. This is the most important commandment on how we get to know God every week on His Sabbath, the only day He deemed Holy and Blessed. The only day He Sanctified.
The 4th commandment is about spending time with God, every Sabbath on His Holy day. When you spend time with someone you get to know them.

I find it interesting you say to obey His commandments, but state the only commandment we should “forget” is the one God started with “Remember”.

God says He changes not, this includes His Sabbath, the day that Jesus also kept. The day has never changed that is why in Isaiah 66:23 all will worship Him every Sabbath on the New Earth.

This thread is not about whether the Saturday Sabbath command is still applicable today. The thread topic is about whether the Word of God can be in reference to the Holy Bible.

Besides, I have already addressed the Sabbath Command in post #171 for our readers to know the truth. Anyone who simply reads Scripture plainly will come to the same conclusion that I have. But many today do not want to read Scripture plainly when it bumps heads with what they prefer to believe.

So lets agree to diagree;
Good day to you in the Lord.

And may God bless you.
 
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Do you know all 400 + commands?

I did a study on God's commands in the New Testament in order to discover them. The problem in your view is that you don't have to worry about them because you said you don't need a book to guide your relationship with Christ. This is contrary to the Bible (1 John 2:3-4).
 
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I did a study on God's commands in the New Testament in order to discover them. The problem in your view is that you don't have to worry about them because you said you don't need a book to guide your relationship with Christ. This is contrary to the Bible (1 John 2:3-4).
Any scripture can be used somehow by God to help us find out how to love.
 
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Where in the Bible does it say that "The Book" is the "Word of God"?

I see where Jesus Christ is the Word of God.
I see where God speaks the Word of God within the Bible.
I can see a declaration of historical facts as considered The Word of God.

But, where does it say that The Bible is the Word of God?
I think the bible contains God's words. I don't think it "is" the word of God. I get in trouble when I say this at church, but nobody can argue against it, though I give them ample opportunity.

That being said, I consider it the most important collection of books, letters, history and prophesy on the planet and understanding it would take hundreds of lifetimes. But one can be "saved" without ever even seeing a bible. A lot of people have been. It just makes the experience richer.
 
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Mat 22:36 Master, which is the great commandment in the Law?
Mat 22:37 Jesus said to him, You shall love the Lord your God with all your heart, and with all your soul, and with all your mind.
Mat 22:38 This is the first and great commandment.
Mat 22:39 And the second is like it, You shall love your neighbor as yourself.
Mat 22:40 On these two commandments hang all the Law and the Prophets.

The full version of the 1st greatest commandment is found in Mark 12:29-30.
As for loving your neighbor (the 2nd greatest command): Well, we see a description of one way in how to love our neighbor in Luke 10:25-37 (Note: Loving God and loving your neighbor also appears to be a part of inheriting eternal life, as well).

Anyways, Matthew 22:37-40 does not mean that if we keep these two commands, we automatically will fulfill all of the rest of God's commands. That is not what this passage is saying. It merely means that the two greatest commands is where all the other commands will stem forth from. Granted, yes, it is true that we will not murder, not commit adultery, not steal, etc. if we love our neighbor (See: Romans 13:8-10). But there are other commands that we will not automatically just do without a specific detailed commmand given to us. For example:

We are commanded in Matthew 4:7:
Not to put the Lord our God to the test.

We are commanded to:
Swear not (or do not make an oath) at all (See: Matthew 5:33-36).

We are commanded:
When you pray: Do not use vain repetitions, like the heathens do: For they think that they shall be heard for their much speaking; (Matthew 6:7-13).

We are commanded:
“Tell the women to keep silent in the churches. For it is not permitted unto them to speak, but they are commanded to be under obedience, as also says the law; And if they will learn anything, let them ask their husbands at home. For it is a shame for women to speak in the church” (1 Corinthians 14:34-35).

We are commanded:
“Now we command you, brethren, in the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, that you withdraw yourselves from every brother who walks disorderly” (2 Thessalonians 3:6).​

In other words, you would not know about these other commands or automatically do them if you just loved God and loved your neighbor. The following above commands is just a sample of the unique instructions we are given.
 
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Any scripture can be used somehow by God to help us find out how to love.

Jesus said, “If ye keep my commandments, ye shall abide in my love; even as I have kept my Father's commandments, and abide in his love.” (John 15:10).

This in my view would be keeping the many commands given to us by Jesus and His followers in the New Testament. Anyways, Jesus told us to abide in Him, and to abide in His words (John 15:7). Proverbs 30:5, and Luke 4:4 both tell us that the: “word of God” can refer to the communicated Word of God. So I believe we can abide in Christ (the Living Word), and we can abide in His words (i.e. the communicated Word of God). But there are people today do not like following all of the Bible, and they try to distance themselves from the communicated Word of God (i.e. Scripture). So I believe they deny that the “Word of God” can refer also to the communicated Word or the Holy Scriptures (i.e. the Holy Bible).
 
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Jesus said, “If ye keep my commandments, ye shall abide in my love; even as I have kept my Father's commandments, and abide in his love.” (John 15:10).

This in my view would be keeping the many commands given to us by Jesus and His followers in the New Testament. Anyways, Jesus told us to abide in Him, and to abide in His words (John 15:7). Proverbs 30:5, and Luke 4:4 both tell us that the: “word of God” can refer to the communicated Word of God. So I believe we can abide in Christ (the Living Word), and we can abide in His words (i.e. the communicated Word of God).
Jesus commandments (49 of them):
List with scripture reference: 49 Commands of Christ

With reference and scripture quote: What are the commands of Christ?

And in article form: What Jesus Actually Said

If, as a believer, this list is all you have, you will do well.
 
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I think the bible contains God's words. I don't think it "is" the word of God. I get in trouble when I say this at church, but nobody can argue against it, though I give them ample opportunity.

The Bible can be referred to as the Word of God.

For the communicated Word can be referred to as the Word of God.

Every word of God is pure: he is a shield unto them that put their trust in him.” (Proverbs 30:5).

“And Jesus answered him, saying, It is written, That man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word of God.” (Luke 4:4).

These two verses above are obviously not referring to Jesus (Unless you believe there are many Jesus's.). Every word of God is pure. This is in reference to the communicated Word of God. This can be either the spoken Word of God or the written Word of God.

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That being said, I consider it the most important collection of books, letters, history and prophesy on the planet and understanding it would take hundreds of lifetimes. But one can be "saved" without ever even seeing a bible. A lot of people have been. It just makes the experience richer.

No. You cannot be saved without the Holy Bible. We know of Jesus Christ today because of the words found in Scripture. We know of the gospel because of Scripture or the Holy Bible. We know of the correct version of the gospel, and the correct version of Jesus by having a Holy Bible. For Paul talked about how there is another gospel, and Christ talked about how there are false Christs. So you need a Holy Bible to have the correct ones.
 
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This thread is not about whether the Saturday Sabbath command is still applicable today. The thread topic is about whether the Word of God can be in reference to the Holy Bible.

Besides, I have already addressed the Sabbath Command in post #171 for our readers to know the truth. Anyone who simply reads Scripture plainly will come to the same conclusion that I have. But many today do not want to read Scripture plainly when it bumps heads with what they prefer to believe.

So lets agree to diagree;
Good day to you in the Lord.

And may God bless you.

This seems a little contradictory don't you think? You can address the Sabbath commandment, but Sabbath keepers are not allowed? Similar to saying keep God's commandments except the one that God asked us to Remember.

Following popular belief in not what is preached in the Bible. Mathew 7:13-20 13 “Enter by the narrow gate; for wide is the gate and broad is the way that leads to destruction, and there are many who go in by it. 14 Because narrow is the gate and difficult is the way which leads to life, and there are few who find it.

Jesus also says Mathew 15:8 ‘These people draw near to Me with their mouth,
And honor Me with their lips,
But their heart is far from Me.
9 And in vain they worship Me,
Teaching as doctrines the commandments of men.’ ”

This seems to sum up not worshipping God on the day He deemed His Sabbath, instead on the man-made teaching that was changed by the Roman Catholic church which admit they changed with no scriptural authority

A. Had she not such power, she could not have done that in which all modern religionists agree with her; —she could not have substituted the observance of Sunday the first day of the week, for the observance of Saturday the Seventh day, a change for which there is no Scriptural authority.
—Rev. Stephen Keenan, A Doctrinal Catechism; New York in 1857, page 174

It was even predicted in the Bible man would try to change God's Holy day

Daniel 7:25 He shall speak pompous words against the Most High, Shall persecute the saints of the Most High, And shall intend to change times and law. Then the saints shall be given into his hand For a time and times and half a time.

The Sabbath commandment is the only law that is both a time (every seventh day) and a law (4th commandment) and it starts with Remember which is the opposite of forget.

The end times are about worship and what is Satan's greatest deception?

Revelation 12:9 So the great dragon was cast out, that serpent of old, called the Devil and Satan, who deceives the whole world; he was cast to the earth, and his angels were cast out with him.

What is Satan's greatest deception? Making people believe God's Sabbath is on the first day of the week when there is no scripture to support this.

God clearly defined His Sabbath day from creation Genesis 2:3 and in Exodus 20:8-11

God is the creator of all things including the Heaven and Earth. He is the one who chooses which day is His Holy Sabbath and He clearly did.

Exodus 20
8“Remember the Sabbath day, to keep it holy. 9Six days you shall labor and do all your work, 10but the seventh day is the Sabbath of the Lord your God. In it you shall do no work: you, nor your son, nor your daughter, nor your male servant, nor your female servant, nor your cattle, nor your stranger who is within your gates. 11For in six days the Lord made the heavens and the earth, the sea, and all that is in them, and rested the seventh day. Therefore the Lord blessed the Sabbath day and hallowed it.

Is this not the Word of God? He spoke it and wrote it. It's the only scripture in the entire Bible that is written by God and you that is not His Word? You would rather follow the teaching of the Roman Catholic church than God?

Scripture tells us Mark 7:8 For laying aside the commandment of God, you hold the tradition of men (sums up the 4th commandment perfectly)

God says He is unchanging Jesus Christ the same yesterday, and to day, and for ever. Hebrews 13:8 That means His laws are unchanging. The same law He said to Remember. Why would He say Remember if He meant for us to forget? That seems like a contradiction and our God is not.

We are told to follow Jesus as our example and Jesus kept the Sabbath like His Father instructed:

Luke 4:16 So He came to Nazareth, where He had been brought up. And as His custom was, He went into the synagogue on the Sabbath day, and stood up to read.

John 15:10 If you keep my commands, you will remain in my love, just as I have kept my Father's commands and remain in his love. Funny this doesn't say keep all the commandments except the one that my Father said to Remember.

The Sabbath was still the commandment after Jesus rose

Luke 23:56 And they returned, and prepared spices and ointments; and rested the sabbath day according to the commandment. Don't you find that weird this verse is in the Bible if the commandment that God asked us to Remember we are supposed to forget?

So according to what you're saying either God contracted Himself or maybe you don't understand some of the scriptures as well and you think you do. Colossians is about feasts and the yearly Sabbath which is very different than the weekly Sabbath that God commanded us to Remember. He said the Sabbath is perpetual covenant which means its forever.

Exodus 31 13 “Speak also to the children of Israel, saying: ‘Surely My Sabbaths you shall keep, for it is a sign between Me and you throughout your generations, that you may know that I am the Lord who sanctifies you. 14 You shall keep the Sabbath, therefore, for it is holy to you. Everyone who profanes it shall surely be put to death; for whoever does any work on it, that person shall be cut off from among his people. 15 Work shall be done for six days, but the seventh is the Sabbath of rest, holy to the Lord. Whoever does any work on the Sabbath day, he shall surely be put to death. 16 Therefore the children of Israel shall keep the Sabbath, to observe the Sabbath throughout their generations as a perpetual covenant.

The question is do we follow the Word of God and keep His Sabbath or do we follow the traditions of man. Maybe something to pray about?
 
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This seems a little contradictory don't you think? You can address the Sabbath commandment, but Sabbath keepers are not allowed? Similar to saying keep God's commandments except the one that God asked us to Remember.

Following popular belief in not what is preached in the Bible. Mathew 7:13-20 13 “Enter by the narrow gate; for wide is the gate and broad is the way that leads to destruction, and there are many who go in by it. 14 Because narrow is the gate and difficult is the way which leads to life, and there are few who find it.

Jesus also says Mathew 15:8 ‘These people draw near to Me with their mouth,
And honor Me with their lips,
But their heart is far from Me.
9 And in vain they worship Me,
Teaching as doctrines the commandments of men.’ ”

This seems to sum up not worshipping God on the day He deemed His Sabbath, instead on the man-made teaching that was changed by the Roman Catholic church which admit they changed with no scriptural authority

A. Had she not such power, she could not have done that in which all modern religionists agree with her; —she could not have substituted the observance of Sunday the first day of the week, for the observance of Saturday the Seventh day, a change for which there is no Scriptural authority.
—Rev. Stephen Keenan, A Doctrinal Catechism; New York in 1857, page 174

It was even predicted in the Bible man would try to change God's Holy day

Daniel 7:25 He shall speak pompous words against the Most High, Shall persecute the saints of the Most High, And shall intend to change times and law. Then the saints shall be given into his hand For a time and times and half a time.

The Sabbath commandment is the only law that is both a time (every seventh day) and a law (4th commandment and it starts with Remember which is the opposite of forget)

The end times are about worship and what is Satan's greatest deception?

Revelation 12:9 So the great dragon was cast out, that serpent of old, called the Devil and Satan, who deceives the whole world; he was cast to the earth, and his angels were cast out with him.

What is Satan's greatest deception? Making people believe God's Sabbath is on the first day of the week when there is no scripture to support this.

God clearly defined His Sabbath day from creation Genesis 2:3 and in Exodus 20:8-11

God is the creator of all things including the Heaven and Earth. He is the one who chooses which day is His Holy Sabbath and He clearly did.

Exodus 20
8“Remember the Sabbath day, to keep it holy. 9Six days you shall labor and do all your work, 10but the seventh day is the Sabbath of the Lord your God. In it you shall do no work: you, nor your son, nor your daughter, nor your male servant, nor your female servant, nor your cattle, nor your stranger who is within your gates. 11For in six days the Lord made the heavens and the earth, the sea, and all that is in them, and rested the seventh day. Therefore the Lord blessed the Sabbath day and hallowed it.

Is this not the Word of God? He spoke it and wrote it. It's the only scripture in the entire Bible that is written by God and you that is not His Word? You would rather follow the teaching of the Roman Catholic church than God?

Scripture tells us Mark 7:8 For laying aside the commandment of God, you hold the tradition of men (sums up the 4th commandment perfectly)

God says He is unchanging Jesus Christ the same yesterday, and to day, and for ever. Hebrews 13:8 That means His laws are unchanging. The same law He said to Remember. Why would He say Remember if He meant for us to forget? That seems like a contradictory and our God is not.

We are told to follow Jesus as our example and Jesus kept the Sabbath like His Father instructed:

Luke 4:16 So He came to Nazareth, where He had been brought up. And as His custom was, He went into the synagogue on the Sabbath day, and stood up to read.

John 15:10 If you keep my commands, you will remain in my love, just as I have kept my Father's commands and remain in his love. Funny this doesn't say keep all the commandments except the one that my Father said to Remember.

The Sabbath was still the commandment after Jesus rose

Luke 23:56 And they returned, and prepared spices and ointments; and rested the sabbath day according to the commandment. Don't you find that weird this verse is in the Bible if the commandment that God asked us to Remember we are supposed to forget?

So according to what you're saying either God contracted Himself or maybe you don't understand some of the scriptures as well and you think you do. Colossians is about feasts and the yearly Sabbath which is very different than the weekly Sabbath that God commanded us to Remember. He said the Sabbath is perpetual covenant which means its forever.

Exodus 31 13 “Speak also to the children of Israel, saying: ‘Surely My Sabbaths you shall keep, for it is a sign between Me and you throughout your generations, that you may know that I am the Lord who sanctifies you. 14 You shall keep the Sabbath, therefore, for it is holy to you. Everyone who profanes it shall surely be put to death; for whoever does any work on it, that person shall be cut off from among his people. 15 Work shall be done for six days, but the seventh is the Sabbath of rest, holy to the Lord. Whoever does any work on the Sabbath day, he shall surely be put to death. 16 Therefore the children of Israel shall keep the Sabbath, to observe the Sabbath throughout their generations as a perpetual covenant.

The question is do we follow the Word of God and keep His Sabbath or do we follow the traditions of man. Maybe something to pray about?

When I glanced to see that you mentioned the Sabbath command, I decided to not read your post. This thread is not about the Sabbath commandment that has ended according to Colossians 2:14-17. I am moving on from talking to you (See: Titus 3:9).

Anyways, may God's love shine upon you today (even if we disagree on Scripture strongly).
 
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When I glanced to see that you mentioned the Sabbath command, I decided to not read your post. This thread is not about the Sabbath commandment that has ended according to Colossians 2:14-17. I am moving on from talking to you (See: Titus 3:9).

Anyways, may God's love shine upon you today (even if we disagree on Scripture strongly).
Well, its your loss. The Bible warns us about teaching men not to obey His commandments, which includes all of them. Not just the ones that are convenient.

Mathew 5: 19Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach them, the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven. 20For I say unto you, That except your righteousness shall exceed the righteousness of the scribes and Pharisees, ye shall in no case enter into the kingdom of heaven.
 
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I think one of the major problems in folks saying that the Holy Bible is the Word of God is that they think it has errors in it. But according to the Bible, his words are pure words (Psalms 12:6). So it then becomes a matter of faith in God's Word. For faith comes by hearing and hearing the Word of God (Romans 10:17).
 
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Well, its your loss. The Bible warns us about teaching men not to obey His commandments, which includes all of them.

Mathew 5: 19Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach them, the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven. 20For I say unto you, That except your righteousness shall exceed the righteousness of the scribes and Pharisees, ye shall in no case enter into the kingdom of heaven.

Jesus was referring to the NEW commands He just gave us at the Sermon on the Mount. An example of a least command in my view would be to:

Rejoice and be exceedingly glad when we are reviled, or persecuted or when another says evil things against us falsely for Christ's sake.

“Blessed are ye, when men shall revile you, and persecute you, and shall say all manner of evil against you falsely, for my sake. Rejoice, and be exceeding glad: for great is your reward in heaven: for so persecuted they the prophets which were before you.” (Matthew 5:11-12).
 
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Jesus was referring to the NEW commands He just gave us at the Sermon on the Mount. An example of a least command in my view would be:

To rejoice when we are persecuted or when another says evil things against us falsely for Christ's sake.

“Blessed are ye, when men shall revile you, and persecute you, and shall say all manner of evil against you falsely, for my sake. Rejoice, and be exceeding glad: for great is your reward in heaven: for so persecuted they the prophets which were before you.” (Matthew 5:11-12).

Is it a different God in the New Testament than the Old Testament? You really should read my post above because it clearly shows the Sabbath commandment was kept by Jesus and written in the New Testament.

The Sabbath is referenced over 60 times in the New Testament and over 170 times in the Bible. The first day is mentioned 8 times in the entire Bible and nothing where Jesus says the first day is "Holy" "Blessed" "Sanctified" why would you not want to worship God on the Day He deemed His Sabbath and the day He deemed Holy.
 
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Is it a different God in the New Testament than the Old Testament? You really should read my post above because it clearly shows the Sabbath commandment was kept by Jesus and written in the New Testament.

Jesus kept the Old Law and fulfilled it upon the cross. Hence, why the temple veil was torn from top to bottom. The laws on animal sacrifices were kept before the cross: But after the cross we do not keep them because Jesus fulfilled the Old Law. Christ nailed to the cross those ordinances that were against us (Colossians 2:14). The Sabbath is an ordinance according to Isaiah. Colossians 2:16 tells us that we are not to let other people judge us on matters of the Sabbaths. Meaning, if we do not keep the Sabbath, I am not going to let another judge me on how I do not keep it.

Moving on from talking to you about the Sabbath command. This is my final post to you in discussion on this topic.

Peace be unto you in the Lord, and lets agree to disagree.
This thread topic is not about the Sabbath command.
Please start another thread if you want to talk about that with others.
 
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Where in the Bible does it say that "The Book" is the "Word of God"?

I see where Jesus Christ is the Word of God.
I see where God speaks the Word of God within the Bible.
I can see a declaration of historical facts as considered The Word of God.

But, where does it say that The Bible is the Word of God?
Jesus calls Scripture the word of God in Mt 15:6.

The NT presents the
Word of God Incarnate (Jn 1:4)
Word of God spoken (Lk 5:1) and
Word of God written (Mt 15:6).

Edit: Mt 15:6 should be Mk 7:13.
 
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Jesus kept the Old Law and fulfilled it upon the cross. Hence, why the temple veil was torn from top to bottom. The laws on animal sacrifices were kept before the cross: But after the cross we do not keep them because Jesus fulfilled the Old Law. Christ nailed to the cross those ordinances that were against us (Colossians 2:14). The Sabbath is an ordinance according to Isaiah. Colossians 2:16 tells us that we are not to let other people judge us on matters of the Sabbaths. Meaning, if we do not keep the Sabbath, I am not going to let another judge me on how I do not keep it.

Moving on from talking to you about the Sabbath command. This is my final post to you in discussion on this topic.

Peace be unto you in the Lord, and lets agree to disagree.
This thread topic is not about the Sabbath command.
Please start another thread if you want to talk about that with others.
No, again if you read my post above you would understand.

Colossians is about the ceremonial laws, which has nothing to do with Gods eternal Sabbath law that He established from Creation Genesis 2:3 The ceremonial laws are the sacrifices of animals, feasts (yearly Sabbaths) circumcision. Colossians is all about food and drink, Leviticus 23. There is nothing in Gods 10 commandments about food or drink. The 4th commandment is about the day of worship, the weekly Sabbath, not the annual Sabbath(s). Maybe understanding the 2 different Sabbaths in the Bible would help. GOD DOES NOT CHANGE and neither does the day He deemed His Sabbath, not the one changed by man lead by the greatest deceiver on earth.

Should Christians Keep the Feast Days? | Pastor Doug's Weekly Message | Amazing Facts

Doesn't Colossians 2:14 wipe out the weekly Sabbath? | Sabbath Truth
 
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