The New Covenant

jgr · Jan 26, 2021

Guojing said:
You don't need to know about Darby, in order to be one.

See posts 255 and 307.

keras · Jan 26, 2021

MMXX said:
So what's the net end result difference between the two?

The Testament is what Jesus gave us for our Salvation and how we should live. Its all in the Book we call the New Testament.
The Covenant is an agreement between two parties, in this case; between Jesus and all His faithful people , by then settled into the new nation of Beulah. Isaiah 62:1-5

Douggg · Jan 26, 2021

keras said:
Then the call will go out to every faithful Christian to travel to and live in all of the holy Land. As Isaiah 35 describes, Isaiah 66:18b-21 and Psalms 107, +, tell about this great Second Exodus.

Matthew 24:31 is after the great tribulation is over.

31 And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.

And is in Ezekiel 39:28...

27 When I have brought them again from the people, and gathered them out of their enemies' lands, and am sanctified in them in the sight of many nations;

28 Then shall they know that I am the LORD their God, which caused them to be led into captivity among the heathen: but I have gathered them unto their own land, and have left none of them any more there.

Matthew 24:31 and Ezekiel 39:28 is talking about Jews (who will turn to Jesus during the great tribulation), not gentiles who have become Christians. And will take place after the great tribulation is over.

The return of the Jews back to the land of Israel began right after WWII and has been an ongoing process, that will not be completed until Jesus returns.

There is not going to be any mass movement of the church to Israel, to replace them who are over there right now. The Jews over there right now will turn to Jesus during the great tribulation, some of whom will be martyred, after being betrayed by the person called the Antichrist who will become the beast.

Ceallaigh · Jan 26, 2021

Guojing said:
During the 1000 year Millennial reign of Christ,

National Israel's destiny will be on Earth, so yes, they will reign with Christ for a thousand years on Earth (Matthew 5:5 , Zechariah 8).

The 12 apostles were promised 12 thrones and they will be judging the 12 tribes of Israel then (Luke 22:28-30, Matthew 19:28).

I always find it interesting that no one I have encountered so far in discussion forums, will try to claim this promise for themselves, although they will claim almost everything else.

But for us in the Body of Christ who are saved under the gospel of grace, we will be reigning in Heaven with Christ. (1 Corinthians 6:3, Ephesians 1:3).

Paul our apostle, actually told us we will be judging fallen angels (1 Corinthians 6:3), I believe we will be replacing the fallen angels then.

In this brilliant way, God's promise to Abraham, in Genesis 22:17, is being fulfilled:

National Israel, which represents his circumcised descendants as the sand of the Earth

The Body of Christ, which represents his uncircumcised descendants as the stars of heaven. (Galatians 3:7-9)

So the net end result is that we will reign with Christ.

Guojing · Jan 26, 2021

MMXX said:
So this has to do with all the differing views of millennialism and dispensationalism.

So the net end result is that we will reign with Christ.

Yes, but can you now understand why the Body of Christ has a separate destiny from the nation Israel, although both will reign with Christ?

Ceallaigh · Jan 26, 2021

Guojing said:
Yes, but can you now understand why the Body of Christ has a separate destiny from the nation Israel, although both will reign with Christ?

What I'm seeing is that straight off the Body of Christ will reign with Christ in heaven, while the nation of Israel reigns with Christ on Earth for 1000 years - and then after that 1000 years, the nation of Israel will join the Body of Christ in reigning with Christ in heaven.

jgr · Jan 26, 2021

Guojing said:
Yes, but can you now understand why the Body of Christ has a separate destiny from the nation Israel, although both will reign with Christ?

There is no separate destiny.

There is only one Chosen People of God.

They are His Church, identified solely and exclusively by two spiritual genes.

Faith and obedience.

Nothing else.

Guojing · Jan 26, 2021

MMXX said:
What I'm seeing is that straight off the Body of Christ will reign with Christ in heaven, while the nation of Israel reigns with Christ on Earth for 1000 years - and then after that 1000 years, the nation of Israel will join the Body of Christ in reigning with Christ in heaven.

Well you could be right, after Satan is permanently thrown into the lake of fire at the end that short deception after the 1000 years (Revelation 20:7-8), who knows what will happen then. =)

Guojing · Jan 26, 2021

jgr said:
There is no separate destiny.

There is only one Chosen People of God.

They are His Church, identified solely and exclusively by two spiritual genes.

Faith and obedience.

Nothing else.

I have presented scriptures for all my points.

If you have a different interpretation, feel free to quote those scriptures and share them.

Otherwise, you can believe whatever you want.

Douggg · Jan 26, 2021

MMXX said:
What I'm seeing is that straight off the Body of Christ will reign with Christ in heaven, while the nation of Israel reigns with Christ on Earth for 1000 years - and then after that 1000 years, the nation of Israel will join the Body of Christ in reigning with Christ in heaven.

When Jesus returns, He returns with His raptured/resurrected saints who will be in their eternal incorruptible bodies who will have access to both heaven and earth during the thousand years. i.e. not limited to being here on earth.

jgr · Jan 26, 2021

Guojing said:
I have presented scriptures for all my points.

If you have a different interpretation, feel free to quote those scriptures and share them.

Otherwise, you can believe whatever you want.

John 10:16; Romans 10:12; Galatians 3:28-29; Galatians 5:6; Galatians 6:15; Colossians 3:11

Guojing · Jan 26, 2021

jgr said:
Romans 10:12; Galatians 3:28-29; Galatians 5:6; Galatians 6:15; Colossians 3:11

Yes, there is neither Jew nor Gentile in the Body of Christ.

Guojing · Jan 26, 2021

Douggg said:
When Jesus returns, He returns with His raptured/resurrected saints who will be in their eternal incorruptible bodies who will have access to both heaven and earth during the thousand years. i.e. not limited to being here on earth.

Of course, I believe Peter, David, all those saved under Israel's prophetic program, can move up and down Heaven and Earth if they want to during those 1000 years.

And us in the Body of Christ will be able to do so too.

That does not mean our destiny are the same as those of National Israel.

Ceallaigh · Jan 26, 2021

Douggg said:
When Jesus returns, He returns with His raptured/resurrected saints who will be in their eternal incorruptible bodies who will have access to both heaven and earth during the thousand years. i.e. not limited to being here on earth.

And what about the nation of Israel after the 1000 years?

jgr · Jan 26, 2021

Guojing said:
Yes, there is neither Jew nor Gentile in the Body of Christ.

2 Corinthians 1
20 For all the promises of God in him are yea, and in him Amen, unto the glory of God by us.

There are no promises of God outside of Christ.

Guojing · Jan 26, 2021

jgr said:
2 Corinthians 1
20 For all the promises of God in him are yea, and in him Amen, unto the glory of God by us.

There are no promises of God outside of Christ.

No one is saying there are.

Ceallaigh · Jan 26, 2021

keras said:
I didn't mean it to be personal.
Just know that Daniel 12:10 says that only a few people will understand the prophesies. Do you want to be one of them? I do.

Well it sounded personal as if it was you against everyone else. I have no problem with your interpretation in of itself. It was the way I saw you presenting yourself and describing everyone else that bothered me. When it comes to prophesy as I see it, we can't know if a prophesy is true or not until after it is fulfilled. When I first read the Book of Daniel my chin hit the table when I read the prophesy about Alexander the Great, because I had read a book about Alexander before that. So I certainly understood that one. As for future events, I don't trouble myself with those much. I remember when I was young I was hashing out the pre, mid, post tribulation theories. And an elder said how about the pan theory? Pan theory? What's that? It will all pan out in the end. So from that point forward I haven't worried myself much about the future.

keras said:
Yes. The point of the OP was to show people how the end times will unfold. First the terrible Day of the Lord's fiery wrath, which will change the world and clear the Middle East region. God's solution to the ME crisis!
Then the call will go out to every faithful Christian to travel to and live in all of the holy Land. As Isaiah 35 describes, Isaiah 66:18b-21 and Psalms 107, +, tell about this great Second Exodus.

There we will be the people God always wanted in His Land, His witnesses, Isaiah 43:8-10, John 15:27 and His Light to the nations, Isaiah 49:3-8, Matthew 5:14-16
Jesus will make the new Covenant with us then; for our peace and prosperity, and He does keep it, when the Gog army attacks.
But 'many' - Daniel 9:27 will violate it; Daniel 11:32, Isaiah 28:14-15, and the Lord will allow us to be conquered.

This is proved by Daniel 7:25 and Revelation 13:7, God's holy people are present in the holy Land when the 'beast' conquers them. Zechariah 14:1-2 Half will be taken to a place of safety and half must remain. Revelation 12:14 & 17
1260 days later; Jesus will Return and wipe out all the rest of the godless peoples at Armageddon.

Douggg · Jan 26, 2021

MMXX said:
And what about the nation of Israel after the 1000 years?

The great white throne judgment will have taken place and the new heaven, new earth, new Jerusalem created and it appears that everyone will be in their eternal bodies. Revelation 21 and the beginning of Revelation 22, have to some things in them that to me (and I think others) are not totally understood - before you launch onto a big argument

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Ceallaigh · Jan 26, 2021

Guojing said:
Well you could be right, after Satan is permanently thrown into the lake of fire at the end that short deception after the 1000 years (Revelation 20:7-8), who knows what will happen then. =)

What I meant is that's what I interpreted you saying or leading up to. When I was young I was all into the end times and trying to figure out Revelation etc . But I lost interest in that persuit in later years. The only thing I was arguing is whether or not the NT has verses that say "new covenant".

Guojing · Jan 26, 2021

MMXX said:
What I meant is that's what I interpreted you saying or leading up to. When I was young I was all into the end times and trying to figure out Revelation etc . But I lost interest in that persuit in later years. The only thing I was arguing is whether or not the NT has verses that say "new covenant".

I am still waiting for someone to show me scripture on what the destinies for national Israel and the Body of Christ will be "after the 1000 year millennial reign of Christ", before I come to any conclusion about that.

But one step at a time, let us get to that rapture of the Body of Christ first (1 Corinthians 15:51-58), and watch the 7 year Tribulation from heaven first. =)

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