Does turning my lights on violate the sabbath?

LoveGodsWord said: ↑ I already have. Did you not reject the scriptures shared with you from Jesus in Matthew 12:1-12 and Mark 2:27 when He answered the unbelieving Jews that accused Him of breaking the Sabbath?

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Your response here...

DamianWarS said:

This doesn't address the point. I could just as well call your position (which you have yet to articulate) that of unbelieving Jews but it doesn't answer why it is labeled this way.

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Sorry dear friend but that is not true at all. The scriptures shared with you address the OP exactly. In fact as posted earlier, it was exactly how Jesus in his own Words addressed the unbelieving Jews in His day when they accused him of breaking the Sabbath with their false interpretation on how the Sabbath was to be kept in thinking man was made for the Sabbath instead of the Sabbath being made for man like Jesus taught. I have articulated my position with God's own words. They are Gods' Words not mine. Yet you do not believe them and deny them with your words which are not God's word. Of course you are free to believe as you wish. For me as posted earlier, only God's Word is true and we should believe and follow them according to the scriptures *Romans 3:4; Acts of the Apostles 5:29 and you have not provided any. So we will agree to disagree.

imge said:

We keep it in Spirit by our own actions - doing what God has instructed. Sabbath is about God and doing things that pleases Him like praying, reading His Word in scripture, worshipping Him in church, singing Hymns and rejoicing on His mercy, grace and love. Getting to know God, remembering God, honoring Him. In doing this in return we are blessed with His Holy Spirit. Receiving His Holy Spirit gives us better understanding on His Word.

If we focus on what light we turn on or off than we lose focus on loving Him on His Sabbath. Just like the scripture @LoveGodsWord provided.

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Good post sis. I believe this is what happened to the unbelieving Jews in their legalistic interpretation around the Sabbath. They placed so many man-made restrictions and rules around the Sabbath that it became a burden to the people trying to keep the Sabbath. Jesus came to teach us that mankind was not made for the Sabbath but that God made the Sabbath a blessing for mankind not a curse and it is lawful to do good on the Sabbath. It is how we keep the Sabbath from the heart that determines if we are keeping it or not. The unbelieving Jews in the days of Jesus placed so many man-made restrictions around the Sabbath that they lost sight of the purpose and intent of the Sabbath and why it was made for mankind. I believe this is what Jesus means when he said they strained at the gnat only to swallow a camel. They lost sight of the intent and purpose of why the Sabbath was made for mankind. Keeping God's commandments are not hard to those who love God *1 John 5:3

God bless

DamianWarS said:

This is the part you need to work on. Just calling something false doesn't make it false. I'm asking for you to back up the claim as to why it is false.
See I can do the same thing to you too. Your interpreation is false so you are of the spirit of unbelieving Jew. Do you see how just saying it doesn't mean anything at all. You need to put some substance in your post for it to be credible.

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Not really dear fiend. I provided scripture that is God's Word not mine and God's Word is true *Mark 2:27; Matthew 12:1-12. You simply provide the same arguments that the unbelieving Jews did against Jesus when they accused him of breaking the Sabbath (Matthew 12:10; Mark 3:2, John 9:14-16). Your response is to disagree with the scriptures shared with you. I know who I believe and follow and it is not you. Sorry dear friend we will have to agree to disagree. Thank you for the discussion.

DamianWarS said:

you're just quoting scripture and saying "that's where you fit" but do not explain why you've made that judgment. I can also take your own words and say what you say is not God's true words and you should read Mark 2:27 to know God's true words. But I have failed to qualify why this may or may not be true and you have failed to qualify the same. You need to take more effort, more critical thinking and give me the meat of why connecting to the power grid on the Sabbath doesn't violate the letter of the Sabbath. quoting a verse like Mark 2:27 without qualify why is just name-calling. you offer no logic to back up your statements and without backing it up, all you're doing is pointing a finger at me and nothing more, and anyone can point fingers.

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Not really dear friend. You were shown through the scriptures why the unbelieving Jews believed Jesus was breaking the Sabbath. Your were also shown through the scriptures Jesus response to their claims of Sabbath breaking. They are God's Words not mine. These are the same claims at heart your making although different subject matter. These Jews that accused Jesus of breaking the Sabbath in premise were using the same arguments you are, around their interpretation on how the Sabbath is to be kept, so similar accusations as yours and the same responses given by Jesus are also applicable here. Did you even read Matthew 12:1-12 and Mark 2:27-28? If you did what do you think they mean? Your responses given to these posts to me show you either did not read the scriptures shared with you or perhaps do not understand them or perhaps you know them and therefore do not want to discuss them when asked you earlier as they directly answer your OP. I am not sure which one of the above is true. I am happy to talk about them further with you if your interested. Perhaps you can start by telling me what you think those scriptures mean? If not then I do not see in all honesty that your here for a discussion but to simply justify your belief of Sabbath breaking because you do not keep God's 4th commandment which is one of God's 10 commandments that give us the knowledge of what sin is when broken *Romans 7:7; Romans 3:20; 1 John 3:4. In that case we will agree to disagree and seek out our own salvation with fear and trembling and prayerfully seek to examine ourselves to see if we are in the faith or not.

DamianWarS said:

I apply Sabbath law to modern day conveniences.

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Indeed, thanks you proved my point on many levels. The Scribes and the Pharisees in the days of Jesus who accused him of breaking the Sabbath did exactly the same thing. What makes your claims here any different? Your also ignoring my questions to you in regards to Matthew 12:1-12 and Mark 2:27-28 again which is quite telling and also proves my points to you from my last post.

DamianWarS said:

You have yet to show me why my application is in error or why your application doesn't consider these things. You statments are still without substance and so far you just keep repeating the same things. It was unsubstantiated the first 10 times you posted it and it will continue to be unsubstantiated so long as you leave it answered.

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Well that is not true. As posted earlier, you were shown through the scriptures why the unbelieving Jews believed Jesus was breaking the Sabbath. Your were also shown through the scriptures Jesus response to their claims of Sabbath breaking. They are God's Words not mine. These are the same claims at heart your making although different subject matter. These Jews that accused Jesus of breaking the Sabbath in premise were using the same arguments you are, around their interpretation on how the Sabbath is to be kept, so similar accusations as yours and the same responses given by Jesus are also applicable here. Did you even read Matthew 12:1-12 and Mark 2:27-28? If you did what do you think they mean? Your responses given to these posts to me show you either did not read the scriptures shared with you or perhaps do not understand them or perhaps you know them and therefore do not want to discuss them when asked you earlier as they directly answer your OP. I am not sure which one of the above is true. I am happy to talk about them further with you if your interested. Perhaps you can start by telling me what you think those scriptures mean? If not then I do not see in all honesty that your here for a discussion but to simply justify your belief of Sabbath breaking because you do not keep God's 4th commandment which is one of God's 10 commandments that give us the knowledge of what sin is when broken *Romans 7:7; Romans 3:20; 1 John 3:4. Your response was to ignore the above as if it did not exist, so I cannot see much point in continuing this discussion.

DamianWarS said:

this post is off topic. I am claiming the use of the power grid in the Sabbath violates the letter of the law. You seem unwilling to comment on this and rather use the thread as an opportunity to promote your understanding of the Sabbath. It might be better to do that in a thread of your own making rather than hijacking someone else's.

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Brother, LoveGodsWord and others have given you an answer. The reason you are not satisfied with their answer is because it does not explain why God gave you His peace. They assume that God did not give you His peace because they think they are better than you at keeping the Sabbath. The reason God has granted you His peace is to show that no one has the true biblical Sabbath. I explain the reason everyone is wrong in the following threads. In these threads you will learn the true biblical Sabbath that no Christian group keeps.

1. When do the biblical days begin?
2. What Sabbath did Moses keep?
3. Did Ellen White confirm that the first day is an evening and a morning?

You assume everyone is right when doing it differently. God has revealed to you that everyone is wrong because God’s truth is one that no one is keeping and your invention is no better or worse than all the others. You keep your own Sabbath different from all others and God gave you His peace and you have come to the forum to share why you believe God gave you His peace as well as why you believe He gives it to all others who keep the Sabbath different from you. The reason God is not prejudiced against your well-known invented Sabbath-keeping is because all established Sabbath-keepings are wrong and God is making this fact clear by granting you His peace to show that no one has bothered to find the right way to keep the Sabbath. Your way is neither better nor worse than all other practices because they are all wrong.


United in our hope for the soon return of Jesus, Jorge

The content of this post is a good example of man-made teachings and traditions (unsubstantiated claims) that break the commandments of God in Matthew 15:3-9; Mark 7:8-13 that are not biblical and do not pass the test of the scripture *1 John 2:3-4.

LoveGodsWord said:

The content of this post post is a good example of man-made teachings and traditions that break the commandments of God in Matthew 15:3-9; Mark 7:8-13 that is not biblical and one that does not pass the test of scripture *1 John 2:3-4.

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Brother, next why God grants "DamianWarS" His peace while in error before he understands a better way.


United in our hope for the soon return of Jesus, Jorge

guevaraj said:

Brother, next why God grants "DamianWarS" His peace while in error before he understands a better way.

In the past God overlooked such ignorance, but now he commands all people everywhere to repent. (Acts 17:30 NIV)​

United in our hope for the soon return of Jesus, Jorge

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Only God knows the heart and is our judge not you. For me I judge no man. The Words of God that we accept or reject become our judge come judgement day according to the scriptures *John 12:47-48. There is no rest in sin (knowingly breaking anyone of God's commandments) according to the scriptures *Isaiah 57:20-21; Matthew 11:28-30; 1 John 1:9; 1 John 3:6; 1 John 2:3-4; 1 John 3:4; James 2:10-11. Love is expressed through obedience to God's law by faith not by breaking it in disobedience *Romans 3:31; Romans 13:8-10; James 2:8-12; Matthew 22:36-40; Matthew 7:21-23. Now who should we believe dear friend; God or you? *Romans 3:4.

Turning on your lights does NOT violate the Sabbath.

DamianWarS said:

I apply Sabbath law to modern day conveniences. It is not interpreation it is application derived from logic not personal bias. You have yet to show me why my application is in error or why your application doesn't consider these things. You statments are still without substance and so far you just keep repeating the same things. It was unsubstantiated the first 10 times you posted it and it will continue to be unsubstantiated so long as you leave it answered.

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You seemed to have put the cart before the horse and hence your dilemma.

This issue comes down to OT law vs grace. The Sabbath is intended to be observed -- under the law. However, as Scripture shows us, both Jesus and David "violated" the Sabbath when they thought it advisable to do so. If circumstances determine that you should act on the Sabbath according to your own judgement then go ahead and do so. You may rescue animals and people (or even give them water to drink), turn on the lights, or whatever seems to you to be needed and/or advisable. If you're a Christian you're under God's grace not the OT law.