The New Covenant

Guojing said:

That is why I don't want to play the "appeal to authority" game.

All of us already know which authority we accept and which we reject.

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You posting someone's blog is an appeal to authority.

The problem is you don't know anything about the authority you're appealing to other than he's some KJV only guy. I prefer to appeal to academic sources that have some established credibility.

Guojing said:

This is another popular doctrine that is unscriptural, the Body of Christ is not the little flock. Paul never called us the little flock, nor did he ever call us sheep.

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10 “Truly, truly I say to you, the one who does not enter by the door into the fold of the sheep, but climbs up some other way, he is a thief and a robber. 2 But the one who enters by the door is a shepherd of the sheep. 3 To him the doorkeeper opens, and the sheep listen to his voice, and he calls his own sheep by name and leads them out. 4 When he puts all his own sheep outside, he goes ahead of them, and the sheep follow him because they know his voice. 5 However, a stranger they simply will not follow, but will flee from him, because they do not know the voice of strangers.” 6 Jesus told them this figure of speech, but they did not understand what the things which He was saying to them meant.



7 So Jesus said to them again, “Truly, truly I say to you, I am the door of the sheep. 8 All those who came before Me are thieves and robbers, but the sheep did not listen to them. 9 I am the door; if anyone enters through Me, he will be saved, and will go in and out and find pasture. 10 The thief comes only to steal and kill and destroy; I came so that they would have life, and have it abundantly.

11 “I am the good shepherd; the good shepherd lays down His life for the sheep. 12 He who is a hired hand, and not a shepherd, who is not the owner of the sheep, sees the wolf coming, and leaves the sheep and flees; and the wolf snatches them and scatters the flock. 13 He flees because he is a hired hand and does not care about the sheep. 14 I am the good shepherd, and I know My own, and My own know Me, 15 just as the Father knows Me and I know the Father; and I lay down My life for the sheep.

16 And I have other sheep that are not of this fold; I must bring them also, and they will listen to My voice; and they will become one flock, with one shepherd.

17 For this reason the Father loves Me, because I lay down My life so that I may take it back. 18 No one has taken it away from Me, but I lay it down on My own. I have authority to lay it down, and I have authority to take it back. This commandment I received from My Father.”


Jesus considers us Gentiles as his sheep of another fold.

He must bring us also because all nations shall be blessed according to the old testament promise of the restoration of all things....


through the precious blood of a totally new covenant.

Guess whos blood you are under as you you receive Gods Holy Spirit in your midst

keras said:

The choice that you have made, is to ignore the Scriptures I re-presented in #254. You have to, as they make your belief of the NC now, collapse like a house of cards.

Vilification and abuse, even death, was what the ancient Prophets got. As a promoter of what they said, I can expect the same. It is further proof that I am right!
But of course, because of peoples acceptance of teachings; without doing the Berean search, they are blinded to the truths of Prophecy. Jeremiah 4:2, Isaiah 8:16, 1 Corinthians 3:18-20

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The Bereans never came to the same conclusions as you have.

Guojing said:

So your conclusion "Yes, the scriptures tell us we are under the New Covenant" is unscriptural.

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Hebrews 9
15 And for this cause he is the mediator of the new testament, that by means of death, for the redemption of the transgressions that were under the first testament, they which are called might receive the promise of eternal inheritance.
16 For where a testament is, there must also of necessity be the death of the testator.
17 For a testament is of force after men are dead: otherwise it is of no strength at all while the testator liveth.

Remind us again what "a testament is of force after men are dead" means.

keras said:

Vilification and abuse, even death, was what the ancient Prophets got. As a promoter of what they said, I can expect the same. It is further proof that I am right!

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They used to burn people like you and Jing at the stake. Me and Jg are actually quite gentle.
(CG slaps forehead says prayer and stops arguing )

Guojing said:

This is another popular doctrine that is unscriptural, the Body of Christ is not the little flock. Paul never called us the little flock, nor did he ever call us sheep.

The Little flock refers to the remnant of the nation Israel that did believe in Jesus as their Messiah (Matthew 21:43, 1 Peter 5:2, Romans 9:6).

After the Jerusalem Council event in Acts 15, James, Peter and John agreed to confine their ministry to this little flock (Galatians 2:9)

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Luke 12:32
Fear not, little flock; for it is your Father's good pleasure to give you the kingdom.

The disciples were the little flock, the nucleus of the New Testament Church.

At Pentecost, the little flock became a flock of thousands, the New Testament Church which has grown ever since.

Paul, speaking to the elders of the Ephesus Church comprised of both Jews and Gentiles, understood what the Church would be facing.

Acts 20
28 Take heed therefore unto yourselves, and to all the flock, over the which the Holy Ghost hath made you overseers, to feed the church of God, which he hath purchased with his own blood.
29 For I know this, that after my departing shall grievous wolves enter in among you, not sparing the flock.

The flock was and is the Church.

keras said:

Here are some of the verses I have posted in this thread. So far ignored by every reply here.
Ezekiel 34:25 I shall make a Covenant with them for their peace and prosperity....

Isaiah 61:8..... I will grant them a sure reward and make an everlasting Covenant with them.

Isaiah 33:24 No one living in Zion will get sick and the sins of the people will be pardoned.

Isaiah 59:20-21 The Lord will come as a Redeemer to Zion and to those descended from Jacob who repent of their rebellion. This is the Covenant I will make with them: My Spirit will abide with them thru all the following generations.

Jeremiah 32:37-40 I shall gather My people from all the lands where they now live......I will make an everlasting Covenant with them, it will be a joy for Me to do them good.

'them', refers to all the Lord's faithful peoples, who are now Christians. It is plain that this Covenant could not have happened in the first century. It awaits the time when the Lord will clear and cleanse the holy Land and all of His people live there.

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There are multiple commentaries on those verses. Have you studied them? If so, what's your response to them?

Ezekiel 34:25 commentary.
Isaiah 61:8 commentary.
Isaiah 33:24 commentary.
Isaiah 59:20 commentary.
Isaiah 59:21 commentary.

https://biblehub.com/commentaries/isaiah/59-20.htm

keras said:

I was asking if YOU searched the scriptures as the Bereans did. Seems not.

I have read many Commentaries. Regarding the Prophetic Word, they are all just guesswork and assumptions.
Those verses are all in the context of the Lord's holy people living in the holy Land. That the commentators couldn't see this, is explained by Daniel 12:4 & 9-10. They obviously weren't in the end times.

I am waiting for someone here to address them.

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Hebrews 9
15 And for this cause he is the mediator of the new testament, that by means of death, for the redemption of the transgressions that were under the first testament, they which are called might receive the promise of eternal inheritance.
16 For where a testament is, there must also of necessity be the death of the testator.
17 For a testament is of force after men are dead: otherwise it is of no strength at all while the testator liveth.

Remind us again what "a testament is of force after men are dead" means.

keras said:

I was asking if YOU searched the scriptures as the Bereans did. Seems not.

I have read many Commentaries. Regarding the Prophetic Word, they are all just guesswork and assumptions.
Those verses are all in the context of the Lord's holy people living in the holy Land. That the commentators couldn't see this, is explained by Daniel 12:4 & 9-10. They obviously weren't in the end times.

I am waiting for someone here to address them.

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They started being addressed with #17. But since you see yourself as the only one who is correct and everyone else as just giving opinions and making guesses and assumptions, it's a complete waste of time to address them.

keras said:

Maybe they did, how could we know?
What is quite evident to me now, over the 271 posts here, is the continued avoidance of the proof scriptures I have presented.
Is it because you and others here, are incapable of changing your beliefs? Or, as I think is the case; the Lord has blinded all those who haven't carefully ascertained what they have been told and believed, to be scripturally correct.

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The thing is you seem to have convinced yourself that you are absolutely right and therefore by default everyone else is automatically absolutely wrong. Everyone is blind and you alone have been given the vision. There's no way for anyone get around that.

jgr said:

Luke 12:32
Fear not, little flock; for it is your Father's good pleasure to give you the kingdom.

The disciples were the little flock, the nucleus of the New Testament Church.

At Pentecost, the little flock became a flock of thousands, the New Testament Church which has grown ever since.

Paul, speaking to the elders of the Ephesus Church comprised of both Jews and Gentiles, understood what the Church would be facing.

Acts 20
28 Take heed therefore unto yourselves, and to all the flock, over the which the Holy Ghost hath made you overseers, to feed the church of God, which he hath purchased with his own blood.
29 For I know this, that after my departing shall grievous wolves enter in among you, not sparing the flock.

The flock was and is the Church.

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We can agree to disagree here.

jgr said:

Hebrews 9
15 And for this cause he is the mediator of the new testament, that by means of death, for the redemption of the transgressions that were under the first testament, they which are called might receive the promise of eternal inheritance.
16 For where a testament is, there must also of necessity be the death of the testator.
17 For a testament is of force after men are dead: otherwise it is of no strength at all while the testator liveth.

Remind us again what "a testament is of force after men are dead" means.

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The link I provided for you has all the answers you are looking for.

How are we “able ministers of the new testament?”

MMXX said:

You posting someone's blog is an appeal to authority.

The problem is you don't know anything about the authority you're appealing to other than he's some KJV only guy. I prefer to appeal to academic sources that have some established credibility.

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As I already told you, its subjective so I leave it up to you.

If you are keen to understand more, I showed you an authority but I don't expect you to just agree with him.

jeffweedaman said:

Jn
10 “Truly, truly I say to you, the one who does not enter by the door into the fold of the sheep, but climbs up some other way, he is a thief and a robber. 2 But the one who enters by the door is a shepherd of the sheep. 3 To him the doorkeeper opens, and the sheep listen to his voice, and he calls his own sheep by name and leads them out. 4 When he puts all his own sheep outside, he goes ahead of them, and the sheep follow him because they know his voice. 5 However, a stranger they simply will not follow, but will flee from him, because they do not know the voice of strangers.” 6 Jesus told them this figure of speech, but they did not understand what the things which He was saying to them meant.



7 So Jesus said to them again, “Truly, truly I say to you, I am the door of the sheep. 8 All those who came before Me are thieves and robbers, but the sheep did not listen to them. 9 I am the door; if anyone enters through Me, he will be saved, and will go in and out and find pasture. 10 The thief comes only to steal and kill and destroy; I came so that they would have life, and have it abundantly.

11 “I am the good shepherd; the good shepherd lays down His life for the sheep. 12 He who is a hired hand, and not a shepherd, who is not the owner of the sheep, sees the wolf coming, and leaves the sheep and flees; and the wolf snatches them and scatters the flock. 13 He flees because he is a hired hand and does not care about the sheep. 14 I am the good shepherd, and I know My own, and My own know Me, 15 just as the Father knows Me and I know the Father; and I lay down My life for the sheep.

16 And I have other sheep that are not of this fold; I must bring them also, and they will listen to My voice; and they will become one flock, with one shepherd.

17 For this reason the Father loves Me, because I lay down My life so that I may take it back. 18 No one has taken it away from Me, but I lay it down on My own. I have authority to lay it down, and I have authority to take it back. This commandment I received from My Father.”


Jesus considers us Gentiles as his sheep of another fold.

He must bring us also because all nations shall be blessed according to the old testament promise of the restoration of all things....


through the precious blood of a totally new covenant.

Guess whos blood you are under as you you receive Gods Holy Spirit in your midst

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Matthew 15:24 and Matthew 10:5 has the answer you are looking for on who Jesus was speaking to, pre-cross.

Christian Gedge said:

They used to burn people like you and Jing at the stake. Me and Jg are actually quite gentle.
(CG slaps forehead says prayer and stops arguing )

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This comment of yours reminded me of the sad state of affairs when Paul reached the end of his lifespan

2 Timothy 1:15, KJV: "This thou knowest, that all they which are in Asia be turned away from me; of whom are Phygellus and Hermogenes."

2 Timothy 4:16 At my first answer no man stood with me, but all men forsook me: I pray God that it may not be laid to their charge.

Sad that the Paul's gospel, preaching Christ according to the mystery, (Romans 16:25) has fallen out of favor.

Guojing said:

As I already told you, its subjective so I leave it up to you.

If you are keen to understand more, I showed you an authority but I don't expect you to just agree with him.

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I was pointing out that you told me "That is why I don't want to play the "appeal to authority" game" even though you had just made an appeal to authority. So obviously you actually do appeal to authority. And furthermore when I asked you who that authority was, you told me you didn't know. That puts you on shaky ground.

MMXX said:

I was pointing out that you told me "That is why I don't want to play the "appeal to authority" game" even though you had just made an appeal to authority. So obviously you actually do appeal to authority. And furthermore when I asked you who that authority was, you told me you didn't know. That puts you on shaky ground.

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My original point was that I leave it up to you.

But because you expressed a certain curiosity about the difference between Testament and Covenant, I reminded you of the earlier link I posted, which has the answer.

But I don't care about changing your mind. You believe whatever you want to believe.

Guojing said:

My original point was that I leave it up to you.

But because you expressed a certain curiosity about the difference between Testament and Covenant, I reminded you of the earlier link I posted, which has the answer.

But I don't care about changing your mind. You believe whatever you want to believe.

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Your contention is that there's a difference between "testament" and "covenant" based on the KJV use of "testament" over "covenant". I suggested that should be fleshed out more. So you cited a source, which is fine. But when I asked you who that source is, you said you didn't know. Therefore it doesn't seem to be a very reliable source.