ARE YOU READY FOR THE MARK OF THE BEAST?

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So you don’t believe Abraham or Noah or Job or folks like that who walked in the righteousness of faith with the Lord, will be resurrected with the saints?


How did you arrive at that conclusion?



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The OT saints are not part of the Church.
They resurrect at the end of the 7 year Tribulation with the Tribulation saints at The Second Coming of Christ .
 
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Yes God's Word does offend some. God's people I believe though are in every church, even the Roman Catholic Church. He is calling us to return to his Word. Those who have ears to hear will hear then there will always be those who choose not to hear the Word of God.

What it was I was born Lutheran. I brought up a traditional Lutheran idea and he felt insulted. My idea was purely from where I brought up, and I had questions.

But, apparently, Catholics feel like they are being attacked. He literally told me I was "Anti-Catholic"... Whatever that means.

I have constantly defended the Catholic way of thinking with numerous people. I don't like feel like I'm the one against you.
 
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The OT saints are not part of the Church.


The Church began with Abraham.

And the Scripture, foreseeing that God would justify the Gentiles by faith, preached the gospel to Abraham beforehand, saying, “In you all the nations shall be blessed.” Galatians 3:8


The resurrection and rapture occur at His coming.


For this we say to you by the word of the Lord, that we who are alive and remain until the coming of the Lord will by no means precede those who are asleep. 1 Thessalonians 4:15





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The Church began with Abraham.

And the Scripture, foreseeing that God would justify the Gentiles by faith, preached the gospel to Abraham beforehand, saying, “In you all the nations shall be blessed.” Galatians 3:8


The resurrection and rapture occur at His coming.


For this we say to you by the word of the Lord, that we who are alive and remain until the coming of the Lord will by no means precede those who are asleep. 1 Thessalonians 4:15





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None of those verses back up your claim.
The Church wasn't instituted until Pentacost.
The removal of the Church (Body/ Bride) of Christ is a distinct and seperate event as is The Second Coming of Christ which is at the end of the 7 year Tribulation. The Church comes back with Christ during that time. The OT saints and Tribulation saints are resurrected at the end of the 7 year Tribulation. All the saved and only the saved enter into the Millenial Kingdom for a literal 1,000 years where Christ reigns from Jerusalem.
At the Rapture we meet Christ in the air/clouds.
At The Second Coming Christ literally sets foot upon the Mount of Olives before Jerusalem.
Once again, two seperate and distinct awesome events.
The teaching that they are one and the same is a false teaching without Scriptural backup.
 
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What it was I was born Lutheran. I brought up a traditional Lutheran idea and he felt insulted. My idea was purely from where I brought up, and I had questions.

But, apparently, Catholics feel like they are being attacked. He literally told me I was "Anti-Catholic"... Whatever that means.

I have constantly defended the Catholic way of thinking with numerous people. I don't like feel like I'm the one against you.

Thanks for sharing your view Marc.

May God bless you as you seek him through His Word.
 
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DID YOU KNOW THAT THE CIVIL SUNDAY LAWS ARE ALREADY HERE?

No one receives the MARK OF THE BEAST until it is enforced under CIVIL LAW by the second BEAST (KINGDOM, NATION, GOVERNMENT) of REVELATION 13.

REVELATION 13:11-17
[11], And I beheld another beast coming up out of the earth; and he had two horns like a lamb, and he spoke as a dragon.
[12] And he exercises all the power of the first beast before him and causes the earth and them who dwell therein to worship the first beast, whose deadly wound was healed.
[13] And he does great wonders, so that he makes fire come down from heaven on the earth in the sight of men,
[14] And deceives them that dwell on the earth by the means of those miracles which he had power to do in the sight of the beast; saying to them that dwell on the earth, that they should make an image to the beast, that had the wound by a sword, and did live.
[15] And he had power to give life unto the image of the beast, that the image of the beast should both speak, and cause that as many as would not worship the image of the beast should be killed.
[16] And he causes all, both small and great, rich and poor, free and slave, to receive a mark in their right hand, or in their foreheads:
[17] And that no man might buy or sell, except he that had the mark, or the name of the beast, or the number of his name.

As shown through the scriptures earlier the MARK OF THE BEAST is over WORSHIP and breaking God’s Commandments. SIN causes the judgments of God to be received by everyone at this time to all those who continue in it. God’s 4th Commandment is one of the 10 commandments that give us a knowledge of what sin is if broken and is the commandment that when God says to REMEMBER *EXODUS 20:8 the whole world has forgotten because of the influence of BABYLON THE MOTHER OF HARLOTS *REVELATION 17:1-5 which represents the UNFAITHFUL MOTHER Church with UNFAITHFUL daughter Churches. God’s people however are in ALL these Churches and God is seeking to keep them out of these Churches to worship God in SPIRIT and in TRUTH *REVELATION 18:1-5. God’s true people will keep ALL THE COMMANDMENTS of GOD and have God’s Spirit *JOHN 14:15-21; REVELATION 12:17; 14:12; 22:14. The MARK OF THE BEAST is over worship *REVELATION 13:8; REVELATION 13:12; 15; REVELATION 14:7; 11. Who do we worship? Are we God’s people keeping ALL the COMAMNDMENTS of GOD or are we worshipping the BEAST and his image? God is a SPIRIT and those who worship him must worship him in Spirit and in truth *JOHN 4:24.

Brothers and sisters, you may be thinking a NATIONAL SUNDAY LAW? That will never happen! Did you know that these very laws have already been passed in all states in the US and are now today laying dormant as official CIVIL laws that are currently not enforced? All it would take would be a stroke of the pen to enforce them. Want proof? These are called the BLUE LAWS you can read about them in..

*BLUE LAWS WIKIPEDIA CLICK ME.

Are you ready for the MARK OF THE BEAST? God’s sheep will hear his VOICE (the Word)

May God bless you as you seek him through his Word.
I hope you realize that NSL or Blue Laws do NOT require people to go to Church on Sunday. Besides that they are fizzling out!
I think it's an abomination to claim that the 'mark' is the requirement for millions of Christians who observe a Sunday Sabbath. You're prophetess has misled you.
 
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I hope you realize that NSL or Blue Laws do NOT require people to go to Church on Sunday. Besides that they are fizzling out!
I think it's an abomination to claim that the 'mark' is the requirement for millions of Christians who observe a Sunday Sabbath. You're prophetess has misled you.

For me the abomination is not believing and following God's Word. You of course you are free to believe as you wish as that is between you and God. I prefer the bible. The blue laws are not fizzled out. They are dormant and can be enforced at any time. I think you have missed the point here. Sin is the problem defined in the scriptures as not believing and following God's Word and breaking anyone of the 10 commandments *1 John 3:4; James 2:10-11; Romans 7:7; Romans 14:23. God's judgments all through time have only ever been given in regards to people practicing sin. There is no such thing in scripture as a "Sunday" Sabbath. This idea is one of those man-made teachings and traditions handed down to Christianity from the Mother Church in fulfillment of Daniel 7:25 that has led many to break God's 4th commandment of the 10 commandments *Exodus 20:8-11.

Hope this helps.
 
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For me the abomination is not believing and following God's Word. You of course you are free to believe as you wish as that is between you and God. I prefer the bible. The blue laws are not fizzled out. They are dormant and can be enforced at any time. I think you have missed the point here. Sin is the problem defined in the scriptures as not believing and following God's Word and breaking His commandments *1 John 3:4; James 2:10-11; Romans 7:7; Romans 14:23. God's judgments all through time have only ever been about sin. There is no such thing in scripture as a "Sunday" Sabbath. This idea is one of those man-made teachings and traditions handed down to Christianity from the Mother Church in fulfillment of Daniel 7:25 that has led many to break God's 4th commandment of the 10 commandments *Exodus 20:8-11.

Hope this helps.
I prefer the bible too. I would say you prefer the teachings of Ellen G. White, Doug Bachelor, and Mark Finley. There is a Sunday Sabbath. It's called the Lord's day. The Sabbath you uphold was the Old Covenant and for Israel - NOT New Covenant Christians.

There is no biblical data THAT suggests that Christians kept the Sabbath. They instead kept the Lord’s Day, which historically has been the first day of the week (Sunday)

Romans 14:5-6…

One person esteems one day as better than another, while another esteems all days alike. Each one should be fully convinced in his own mind. The one who observes the day, observes it in honor of the Lord. The one who eats, eats in honor of the Lord, since she gives thanks to God, while the one who abstains, abstains in honor of the Lord and gives thanks to God.

Paul said, “For if righteousness comes through the law, then Christ died in vain.”

He also said, “For Christ is the end of the law for righteousness to everyone who believes.”

Paul again, “Therefore do not let anyone judge you by what you eat or drink, or with regard to a religious festival, a New Moon celebration or a SABBATH DAY.
 
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I prefer the bible too. I would say you prefer the teachings of Ellen G. White, Doug Bachelor, and Mark Finley. There is a Sunday Sabbath. It's called the Lord's day. The Sabbath you uphold was the Old Covenant and for Israel - NOT New Covenant Christians.
Not really dear friend but let me explain why. You do not know me or who I am or who sends me. God is my judge not you and it is God's Word I share here so what is it that you do not believe? As posted earlier there is no such thing as a "Sunday Sabbath" according to God's Word it is not biblical. This is the same as there is no such thing as "Sunday" or the first day of the week being "the Lords Day" according to scripture. This teaching once again is a man-made teaching and tradition that is not biblical. If you disagree please prove from the scriptures that Sunday or the first day of the week is "the Lords day"? If you cannot then whose religious tradition are you following? JESUS warns us about following man-made teachings and traditions that break the commandments of God in Matthew 15:2-9.
There is no biblical data THAT suggests that Christians kept the Sabbath. They instead kept the Lord’s Day, which historically has been the first day of the week (Sunday)
Nonsense. Lets look at what the bible says...

Jesus and the Apostles kept the Sabbath in the New Testament as did the early disciples

1. It is lawful to do good on the Sabbath (Matthew 12:1-8; 10-12; 24:20; Mark 3:1-5; Luke 6:1-10; 13:14-16; 14:1-5; John 7:22-23; 9:14; Mark 1:21; Mark 6:2; Luke 4:16; 31; Luke 14:1; 23:56)
2. Jesus made the Sabbath for all mankind (Hebrews 1:2; John 1:1-3; 14; Ephesians 3:9; Colossians 1:16-17; Mark 2:27)
3. Jesus is Lord of the Sabbath (Mark 2:28)
4. If you do not believe and follow God you cannot enter His Sabbath rest (Hebrews 4)
5. It is one of God’s 10 commandments we break it we are guilty or breaking all (James 2:8-12)
6. Breaking it is sin (1 John 3:4)
7. God’s true followers keep it Holy as God commanded (Rev 14:12; Rev 22:14; Eze 20:20)
8. Jesus is our example and he kept the Sabbath (Matthew 12:1-8; 10-12; 24:20; Mark 3:1-5; Luke 6:1-10; 13:14-16; 14:1-5; John 7:22-23; 9:14; Mark 1:21; Mark 6:2; Luke 4:16; 31; Luke 14:1; 23:56; John 2:6; Matthew 16:24; 1 Cor 11:1; Eph 5:1-21; Pet 2:20-22)
9. The Apostle kept the Sabbath (Acts 13:14; 13:27; 13:44; 15:21; 16:13; 17:2; 18:4; Revelation 1:10)

Historically God's people have always kept the Sabbath according to God's 4th commandment all though time to this present day.

Acts 13:14; 13:27; 13:44; 15:21; 16:13; 17:2; 18:4; Revelation 1:10

History
The Hebrew Shabbat, the seventh day of the week, is often spoken of loosely as "Saturday" but in the Hebrew calendar a day begins at sunset and not at midnight. The Shabbat therefore coincides with what is now commonly identified as Friday sunset to Saturday night when three stars are visible in the night sky. Similarly, the Hebrew first day of the week ("Sunday") extends from sunset on (in common parlance) Saturday evening to sunset on what is generally called Sunday evening. The Sabbath continued to be observed on the seventh day in the early Christian church.[note 1] To this day, the liturgical day continues to be observed in line with the Hebrew reckoning in the church calendars in Eastern Orthodoxy and Oriental Orthodoxy. In the Latin Church, "the liturgical day runs from midnight to midnight. However, the celebration of Sundays and of Solemnities begins already on the evening of the previous day".

Let's deal with your scripture claims and add the context back into the scriptures...
Romans 14:5-6… One person esteems one day as better than another, while another esteems all days alike. Each one should be fully convinced in his own mind. The one who observes the day, observes it in honor of the Lord. The one who eats, eats in honor of the Lord, since she gives thanks to God, while the one who abstains, abstains in honor of the Lord and gives thanks to God
There is no where in Romans 14 that says it is talking about God's 4th commandment Sabbath. Romans 14 is talking about eating and not eating on days that men esteem over other day not what days God esteems and judging others in this regard. According to the scripture, the things that men esteem according are an abomination with God *Luke 16:15. You made a claim here that Roman 14 is talking about the Sabbath yet there is no mention of the Sabbath at all in Romans 14. If you disagree please show me the scripture that says Romans 14 is talking about the Sabbath? If you cannot why are you reading into scripture what the scripture what the chapter is not talking about?
Paul said, “For if righteousness comes through the law, then Christ died in vain.”
No one says righteousness comes from the law. According to the scriptures we are saved by grace through faith and not of ourselves it is a gift of God and not of words lest any man should boast *Ephesians 2:8-9. OBEDIENCE to God's LAW is not how we are saved it is the FRUIT faith of one that is already been given Gods promise of salvation and the fruit of God's work in us *Philippians 2:13 as we BELIEVE and FOLLOW his WORD. If our faith has no fruit it is dead *James 2:18-20; 26 and our tree will be cast down and thrown into the fire *Matthew 3:10; 7:19-20; 13:49-50. So your scripture here is not relevant to our discussion.
He also said, “For Christ is the end of the law for righteousness to everyone who believes.”
Jesus did not keep the law so that we are now free to break the law. That is unbiblical and is a teaching that goes against all the scriptures of the old and new covenant *Matthew 5:17-20; Romans 3:31; 1 John 2:3-4; 1 John 3:4-9. The meaning of the scripture here is that the purpose of the law is to give us the knowledge of what sin is *Romans 3:20 and to lead us to Christ (the end of the law) that we might be forgiven through faith *Galatians 3:22-25.

THE LAW >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> CHRIST

The simple illustration above shows the purpose of God's law and what it "the end of the law" means. God's law leads us to Christ that we might be forgiven through faith in God's Word *Galatians 3:22-25; Ephesians 2:8-9

So hopefully you can see that the scriptures are not claiming what you are here dear friend.
Paul again, “Therefore do not let anyone judge you by what you eat or drink, or with regard to a religious festival, a New Moon celebration or a SABBATH DAY.

The scripture actually says Sabbath days in the Greek. It is genitive neuter plural application. This means multiple or more then one sabbath is the topic of conversation not "the" Sabbath singular. So what sabbaths (plural) was Paul referring to from the old covenant Feast days? Not sure if you realize that there was many different kinds of sabbaths in the old covenant that were not linked to days but to the annual Feast days or Festivals of the old covenant that were shadow laws of things to come. These shadow sabbaths were not linked to days but to the annual Feasts and could fall on any day of the week. So dear friend which sabbaths (plural) was Paul referring to in Colossians 2:16-17?

Was it.....

(1) Feast of Unleavened Bread (first and last day) *Leviticus 23:6-8
(2) Feast of Trumpets *Leviticus 23:24-25
(3) Day of Atonement *Leviticus 23:27-32
(4) Feast of Booths *Leviticus 23:34-36
(5) Feast of First Fruits *Leviticus 23:39
(6) Feast days of Holy convocation of no work *Leviticus 23:7-8; 21;24; 27; 35-36
(7) Sabbath rest of the land (7-year cycle) *Leviticus 25:2
(8) Sabbath of Jubilee culminating of the 7x7 yearly cycles sabbaths *Leviticus 25:9-54

Most of the above were special ceremonial shadow sabbaths linked to the Feast days that could fall on day day of the week and had nothing to do with God's 4th commandment "seventh day" weekly Sabbath that is one of God's 10 commandments. The context of Colossians 2:16-17 is to the annual ceremonial sabbaths (plural) in the annual Feast days not God's 4th commandment of the 10 commandments. Happy to discuss this one in detail. Look forward to your response.

Hope this is helpful.
 
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You don't know me or who I am. I know you're SDA and that's enough.

It's typical for Christians to prop their position up by saying things like,
"I prefer the bible" - or
"it is God's Word I share here so what is it that you do not believe?"
JESUS warns us about following man-made teachings and traditions that break the commandments of God in Matthew 15:2-9.
Incorrect. Jesus warned the Jews about the Pharisees.

Jesus and the Apostles kept the Sabbath in the New Testament as did the early disciples.
Why did they keep the Sabbath? They were Jewish! If you take the time to study Acts 21 you'll see that Jewish believers were accusing Paul of calling for an 'apostasy' - to forsake their Jewish customs and abandon/forsake their Jewish roots, traditions and festival celebrations. Paul wasn't saying that at all! Paul reaffirmed that Jewish believers could continue to participate in CERTAIN Jewish customs, traditions and festival celebrations. They were not allowed to participate in blood sacrifices etc.

To answer other questions.

I hope you don't expect me to confront the 25 or so verses you quoted.

Acts 20:7 And upon the first day of the week, when the disciples came together to break bread, Paul preached unto them, ready to depart on the morrow; and continued his speech until midnight.

1 Cor. 16:1-2 Now about the collection for God's people: Do what I told the Galatian churches to do. On the first day of every week, each one of you should set aside a sum of money in keeping with his income, saving it up, so that when I come no collections will have to be made.

Saturday doesn't need to be the Sabbath any more than we need to adhere to any other part of Judaic law.

Romans 6:14 For sin shall not have dominion over you: for ye are not under the law, but under grace.

Gal. 3:24-25 Wherefore the law was our schoolmaster to bring us unto Christ, that we might be justified by faith. But after that faith is come, we are no longer under a schoolmaster.

At times 1st century Christians did meet on Saturdays in different homes (usually a different one every week) because Christianity was outlawed and Judaism wasn’t. Going to Church on Saturday was a good cover for New Testament believers who blended in on their way to their home meetings.

SDA'S go to extremes and try to attribute the "Changing times and laws" of Daniel 7 to the Pope and a 321 AD fulfillment when it's quite clear that the little horn is destroyed in the last days Jesus Christ! - The 'little horn' of Daniel 7 has NOTHING to do with Rome but with Greece. The 'Mark' of Revelation 13 has an end-time fulfillment concerning buying and selling NOT a National Sunday Law!

Look what he says in Romans 7:4&6 -
V. 4 - Therefore, my brethren, YOU ALSO HAVE BECOME DEAD TO THE LAW through the body of Christ, that you may be married to another; to Him who was raised from the dead, that we should bear fruit to God.

Romans 7:6 - BUT NOW WE HAVE BEEN DELIEVERED FROM THE LAW having died to what we were held by, so that we should serve in the newness of the Spirit and not in the oldness of the letter.

The law was an observance between God and Israel. An Israelite could not leave their home, build a fire, or cause anyone to work. If you did any of those things you were to be put to death. People are mistaking if they think that applies to NT Christians. There’s no obligation for New Testament believers to observe a Saturday or Sunday Sabbath.

The Pope may have legalized Sunday as the Sabbath but it didn't start there.

Ignatius and Justin Martyr both speak of Christians meeting on Sunday.
 
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You don't know me or who I am. I know you're SDA and that's enough.

It's typical for Christians to prop their position up by saying things like,
"I prefer the bible" - or
"it is God's Word I share here so what is it that you do not believe?"

Incorrect. Jesus warned the Jews about the Pharisees.


Why did they keep the Sabbath? They were Jewish! If you take the time to study Acts 21 you'll see that Jewish believers were accusing Paul of calling for an 'apostasy' - to forsake their Jewish customs and abandon/forsake their Jewish roots, traditions and festival celebrations. Paul wasn't saying that at all! Paul reaffirmed that Jewish believers could continue to participate in CERTAIN Jewish customs, traditions and festival celebrations. They were not allowed to participate in blood sacrifices etc.

To answer other questions.

I hope you don't expect me to confront the 25 or so verses you quoted.

Acts 20:7 And upon the first day of the week, when the disciples came together to break bread, Paul preached unto them, ready to depart on the morrow; and continued his speech until midnight.

1 Cor. 16:1-2 Now about the collection for God's people: Do what I told the Galatian churches to do. On the first day of every week, each one of you should set aside a sum of money in keeping with his income, saving it up, so that when I come no collections will have to be made.

Saturday doesn't need to be the Sabbath any more than we need to adhere to any other part of Judaic law.

Romans 6:14 For sin shall not have dominion over you: for ye are not under the law, but under grace.

Gal. 3:24-25 Wherefore the law was our schoolmaster to bring us unto Christ, that we might be justified by faith. But after that faith is come, we are no longer under a schoolmaster.

At times 1st century Christians did meet on Saturdays in different homes (usually a different one every week) because Christianity was outlawed and Judaism wasn’t. Going to Church on Saturday was a good cover for New Testament believers who blended in on their way to their home meetings.

SDA'S go to extremes and try to attribute the "Changing times and laws" of Daniel 7 to the Pope and a 321 AD fulfillment when it's quite clear that the little horn is destroyed in the last days Jesus Christ! - The 'little horn' of Daniel 7 has NOTHING to do with Rome but with Greece. The 'Mark' of Revelation 13 has an end-time fulfillment concerning buying and selling NOT a National Sunday Law!

Look what he says in Romans 7:4&6 -
V. 4 - Therefore, my brethren, YOU ALSO HAVE BECOME DEAD TO THE LAW through the body of Christ, that you may be married to another; to Him who was raised from the dead, that we should bear fruit to God.

Romans 7:6 - BUT NOW WE HAVE BEEN DELIEVERED FROM THE LAW having died to what we were held by, so that we should serve in the newness of the Spirit and not in the oldness of the letter.

The law was an observance between God and Israel. An Israelite could not leave their home, build a fire, or cause anyone to work. If you did any of those things you were to be put to death. People are mistaking if they think that applies to NT Christians. There’s no obligation for New Testament believers to observe a Saturday or Sunday Sabbath.

The Pope may have legalized Sunday as the Sabbath but it didn't start there.

Ignatius and Justin Martyr both speak of Christians meeting on Sunday.

I see so your have no scripture to support your position. If you have no scripture just be honest and say so. This is what I said earlier. The same as I asked you a series of questions supported by scripture in the previous post to challenge your claims and the scriptures you provided. Yet you have not answered a single question in the post you are responding to or addressed the scriptures that disagree with you dear friend? Does this not worry you? It should, they are Gods Words not mine. Of course are free to believe as you wish. I do not judge you. As posted earlier according to the scriptures we all answer only to God come judgment day for the Word of God we accept or reject that we choose to believe and follow *John 12:47-48. We are not delivered from the law dear friend so that we are now free to break the law. Those who do this according to the scriptures need to be born again because they do not know God *1 John 2:3-4; John 3:3-7; 1 John 3:4-9. There was no Jew according to the scriptures when JESUS created the Sabbath for all mankind *Mark 2:27; Genesis 2:1-3. Something to pray about if sin is the transgression of the law *1 John 3:4; James 2:10-11; Romans 7:7 and faith establishes the law in those who believe and follow God's Word *Romans 3:31; Romans 8:1-4.
 
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I see so your have no scripture to support your position.
That's how you prop up your position.

If you have no scripture just be honest and say so.

That's how you prop up your position.

This is what I said earlier. The same as I asked you a series of questions supported by scripture in the previous post to challenge your claims and the scriptures you provided.

Yet you have not answered a single question

I think you can be more honest. That's how you prop up your position.

Does this not worry you?
No because you're not being honest. I don't have time to cover 25 verses and I did quote verses that you deny that DOES answer your questions. So STOP with the false accusations.

It should, they are Gods Words not mine.

That's how you prop up your position. It's NOT you speaking - it's God's Word!

Of course are free to believe as you wish. I do not judge you.

You don't? Then why did you say...

You have no scripture to support your position

If you have no scripture just be honest and say so.

Yet you have not answered a single question

If you can't be more honest and stop making this about me I'm going to back out of this discussion with you.
 
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That's how you prop up your position.
Not really dear friend, I have only provided scripture. Where do you believe I have not provided scripture for everything we have been talking about? If I have only provided scripture to you which is God's Word (not mine) why do you not believe it? I have also asked you questions supported by scripture for which I am still waiting for you to respond to and answer for which you choose to ignore because you have no scripture to support your position. This in itself is telling don't you think?
No because you're not being honest. I don't have time to cover 25 verses and I did quote verses that you deny that DOES answer your questions. So STOP with the false accusations.
Nonsense. I am being completely honest with you as I am sharing God's Word with you and God's Word is true and is no lie *Romans 3:4; John 17:17. If God's Word is true why do you not believe it? In the earlier post sent to you I do not know how many scriptures there are. You seem to have spent more time counting them rather then answering the questions they are attached to. I have not made any false accusations. I believe that was your doing which was why I provided God's Word which is not mine but God's which are true. If you are not able to address the scriptures and the questions asked of you then of course you do not have to. I pray it gives you something to think about.
That's how you prop up your position. It's NOT you speaking - it's God's Word!You don't? Then why did you say...
You have been provided scripture because you have no scripture to support your accusations, claims and position.
If you can't be more honest and stop making this about me I'm going to back out of this discussion with you.
One cannot be more honest in sharing God's Word which is the very definition of what truth is *John 17:17. Something to pray about.
 
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WHAT IS THE JUDGMENT ABOUT?

REVELATION 14:7, Saying with a loud voice, Fear God and give glory to him; for the hour of his judgment is come: and worship him that made heaven, and earth, and the sea, and the fountains of waters.

PSALMS 9:7-8 [7], But the LORD shall endure forever: he has prepared his throne for judgment. [8], And he shall judge the world in righteousness, he shall minister judgment to the people in uprightness.

PSALMS 119:172 My tongue shall speak of your word: for all your commandments are righteousness.

NOTE: God’s Commandments will be the standard of righteousness in the judgment.

PSALMS 7:11, God judges the righteous, and God is angry with the wicked every day.

MATTHEW 12:36 But I say unto you, That every idle word that men shall speak, they shall give account thereof in the day of judgment.

PSALMS 1:5 Therefore the ungodly shall not stand in the judgment, nor sinners in the congregation of the righteous.

HEBREWS 9:27 [27], And as it is appointed unto men once to die, but after this the judgment.

2 CORINTHIANS 5:10 For we must all appear before the judgment seat of Christ; that everyone may be recompensed for the things done in his body, according to what he has done, whether it be good or bad.

JAMES 2:10-13 [10], For whosoever shall keep the whole law, and yet offend in one point, he is guilty of all. [11], For he that said, Do not commit adultery, said also, Do not kill. Now if you commit no adultery, yet you kill, you are become a transgressor of the law. [12], So speak, and so do, as they that shall be judged by the law of liberty. [13], For he shall have judgment without mercy, that has showed no mercy; and mercy triumphs over judgment.

1 PETER 4:17-18 [17], For the time is come that judgment must begin at the house of God: and if it first begins with us, what shall the end be of them that obey not the gospel of God? [18], And if the righteous scarcely be saved, where shall the ungodly and the sinner appear?

ECCLESIASTES 12:13-14, [13], Let us hear the conclusion of the whole matter: Fear God, and keep his commandments: for this is the whole duty of man. [14], For God shall bring every work into judgment, including every secret thing, whether it be good, or whether it be evil.

………….

CONCLUSION: The standard in the judgment will be God’s Commandments *PSALMS 9:7-8; PSALMS 119:172. All those who live a life of KNOWN UNREPENTANT SIN will not enter into God’s KINGDOM because they reject the gift of God’s dear son *HEBREWS 10:26-27; HEBREWS 6:4-8; ROMANS 6:23; 1 JOHN 2:3-4. Judgment is over sin and righteousness.
 
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GOD’S PEOPLE ARE SEALED WITH GOD’S SPIRIT.

EPHESIANS 1:13 In whom you also trusted, after you heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation: in whom also after you believed, you were sealed with that Holy Spirit of promise

2 CORINTHIANS 1:21-22 [21], Now he who establishes us with you in Christ, and has anointed us, is God; [22], Who has also sealed us, and given the earnest of the Spirit in our hearts.

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WHO ARE GOD'S PEOPLE THAT ARE SEALED WITH GOD'S SPIRIT?

JOHN 14:15-26 [15], If you love me, keep my commandments. [16], and I will pray the Father, and he shall give you another Comforter, that he may abide with you forever; [17], Even the Spirit of truth; whom the world cannot receive, because it sees him not, neither knows him: but you know him; for he dwells with you, and shall be in you.

REVELATION 12:17 [17], And the dragon was angry with the woman, and went to make war with the remnant of her offspring, who keep the commandments of God, and have the testimony of Jesus Christ.

REVELATION 14:12 [12], Here is the patience of the saints: here are they that keep the commandments of God, and the faith of Jesus.

REVLATION 22:14 [14], Blessed are they that do his commandments, that they may have right to the tree of life, and may enter in through the gates into the city.

NOTE: GOD’S PEOPLE KEEP ALL OF GOD’S COMMANDMENTS BY FAITH in God's WORD

...............

ARE THERE CONDITIONS FOR RECEIVING GOD’S SPIRIT?

ACTS 2:38 [38], Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and you shall receive the gift of the Holy Spirit.

ACTS 3:19 [19], Repent therefore, and be converted, that your sins may be blotted out, when the times of refreshing shall come from the presence of the Lord

1 JOHN 1:9 [9], If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.

PROVERBS 28:13 He that covers his sins shall not prosper: but whosoever confesses and forsakes them shall have mercy.

NOTE: Receiving God’s Spirit is conditional on seeking GOD’S FORGIVENESS in CONFESSION AND REPENTANCE of our sins and be baptized before we can RECEIVE the gift of God’s Spirit. God’s 10 commandments give us the KNOWLEDGE of GOOD AND EVIL; SIN and RIGHTEOUSNESS *ROMANS 3:20; ROMANS 7:7; JAMES 2:10-11; 1 JOHN 3:4; PSALMS 119:172. If we break any one of them, we stand guilty before God of sin *JAMES 2:8-11 and need to seek God in confession and repentance of our sins and believing God’s promises of forgiveness and salvation from sin *ACTS 2:38; 3:19; 1 JOHN 1:9; 2:1; PROVERBS 28:13. LOVE is the NEW COVENANT promise of being BORN again *HEBREWS 8:10-12; 1 JOHN 3:3-10. LOVE is the fulfilling of God’s LAW in us as we have faith in his WORD *EPHESIANS 2:10; 1 THESSALONIANS 2:13; PHILIPPIANS 2:13; ROMANS 13:8-10 and is why JESUS says….

JOHN 14:15-26 [15], If you love me, keep my commandments. [16], and I will pray the Father, and he shall give you another Comforter, that he may abide with you forever; [17], Even the Spirit of truth; whom the world cannot receive, because it sees him not, neither knows him: but you know him; for he dwells with you, and shall be in you. [18], I will not leave you comfortless: I will come to you. [19], Yet a little while, and the world sees me no more; but you see me: because I live, you shall live also. [20], At that day you shall know that I am in my Father, and you in me, and I in you. [21], He that has my commandments, and keeps them, he it is that loves me: and he that loves me shall be loved of my Father, and I will love him, and will manifest myself to him. [22], Judas said unto him, not Iscariot, Lord, how is it that you will manifest yourself unto us, and not unto the world? [23], Jesus answered and said unto him, If a man loves me, he will keep my words: and my Father will love him, and we will come unto him, and make our abode with him. [24], He that loves me not keeps not my sayings: and the word which you hear is not mine, but the Father's who sent me. [25], These things have I spoken unto you, being yet present with you. [26], But the Comforter, who is the Holy Spirit, whom the Father will send in my name, he shall teach you all things, and bring all things to your remembrance, whatsoever I have said unto you.

NOTE: Receiving the Spirit of God is conditional on BELIEVING and FOLLOWING God’s WORD, REPENTANCE and CONFESSION of SIN (breaking God’s LAW) and being baptized and keeping God’s Commandments by faith as we walk in God’s Spirit. This is God’s WORK in us and walking in God’s Spirt we will not fulfill the lusts of the flesh *GALATIANS 5:16. So if we are NOT BELIEVING and FOLLOWING God’s WORD and breaking his Commandments than God’s WORD says we DO NOT KNOW GOD and we DO NOT HAVE his SPIRIT.

1 JOHN 2:3-4 [3], And by this we know that we know him, if we keep his commandments. [4], He that says, I know him, and keeps not his commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him.

NOTE: This is the difference between the people of GOD and the people of the devil.

1 JOHN 3:3-10
[3], And every man that has this hope in him purifies himself, even as he is pure.
[4], Whosoever commits sin transgresses also the law: for sin is the transgression of the law.
[5], And you know that he was manifested to take away our sins; and in him is no sin.
[6], Whosoever abides in him sins not: whosoever sins has not seen him, neither known him.
[7], Little children, let no man deceive you: he that does righteousness is righteous, even as he is righteous.
[8], He that commits sin is of the devil; for the devil sins from the beginning. For this purpose the Son of God was manifested, that he might destroy the works of the devil.
[9], Whosoever is born of God does not commit sin; for his nature remains in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God.
[10], In this the children of God are manifest, and the children of the devil: whosoever does not righteousness is not of God, neither he that loves not his brother.

NOTE: The difference between God's people and the people of the devil is that God's people are not praticing KNOWN UNREPENTANT SIN. They are keeping God's Commandments.

...............

CAN WE GRIEVE AND LOSE THE HOLY SPIRITS PRESENCE?

EPHESIANS 4:30 And grieve not the holy Spirit of God, by whom you are sealed unto the day of redemption.

PSALMS 51:11 Do not cast me away from your presence, and do not take your Holy Spirit from me

1 SAMUEL 16:14 But the Spirit of the Lord departed from Saul and a distressing Spirit from the Lord troubled him

NOTE: We can grieve God's Spirit and God's presence will leave us if we break God's commandments and resist his Spirit by living a life of KNOWN UNREPENTANT SIN (breaking God's Commandments)

...............

HOW DO WE LOSE GOD’S PRESENCE AND SPIRIT?

ISAIAH 59:2 But your iniquities have separated between you and your God, and your sins have hid his face from you, that he will not hear.

NOTE: As shown already through the scriptures, RECEIVING the GIFT of God’s HOLY Spirit is conditional on BELIEVING and FOLLOWING God’s WORD. If we are NOT BELIEVING and FOLLOWING God’s WORD and breaking God’s Commandments and are in SIN we LOSE the presence of GOD. This is not to say that God gives up on us. He loves us and will convict us of sin when we do so but it is up to us to seek GOD in confession and repentance and FORGIVENESS by Faith before we can receive God’s presence again.

HEBREWS 3:7-11
[7], Therefore as the Holy Spirit says, Today if you will hear his voice,
[8], Harden not your hearts, as in the rebellion, in the day of testing in the wilderness:
[9], When your fathers tested me, proved me, and saw my works forty years.
[10], Therefore I was grieved with that generation, and said, They do always err in their heart; and they have not known my ways.
[11], So I swore in my wrath, they shall not enter into my rest.

……………………..

CONCLUSION: RECEIVING God’s SPIRIT is CONDITIONAL on BELIEVING and FOLLOWING God’s WORD and by FAITH in God’s WORD seeking God in CONFESSION and REPENTANCE of SIN and being baptized in his Spirit walking in his Spirit in OBEDIENCE to God’s WORD. Walking in God’s SPIRIT we will not fulfill the LUSTS of the flesh *GALATIANS 5:16. God’s WORK in us is LOVE and all those who LOVE fulfill God’s LAW because they have God’s Spirit which is the NEW COVENANT promise *HEBREWS 8:10-12; ROMANS 13:8-10; 1 JOHN 3:3-10. God’s people keep ALL of God’s Commandments by faith in God’s WORD and are sealed with God’s Spirit *JOHN 14:15-26; REVELATION 12:17; REVELATION 14:12; REVLATION 22:14; EPHESIANS 1:13; 2 CORINTHIANS 1:21-22. If anyone is breaking God’s Commandments living and known unrepentant sin they do not have God’s SPIRIT and do not KNOW God because they are still in their sins and have rejected the gift of God’s dear son *1 JOHN 2:3-4; 1 JOHN 3:3-10; HEBREWS 10:26-27; HEBREWS 6:4-8; ROMANS 6:23. God only gives his Spirit to those who BELIEVE and OBEY his WORD *

ACTS 5:32 And we are his witnesses of these things; and so is also the Holy Spirit, whom God has given to them that obey him.

My friends are you by God's grace and faith fulfilling the conditions for receiving God's Spirit and preparing yourself not to receive the MARK OF THE BEAST? If you find you are not than grieve not the Spirit of God and harden not your heart. JESUS stand at the door and is knocking on the door of your heart. Open the door to him and invite him in by confessing your sins and repenting. BELIEVE his WORD. In times of ignorance God winks at. He is calling us all to have a closer walk with him and to worship him in Spirit and in truth.

God's sheep hear his Voice (the Word)

May God bless you as you seek him through his Word.
 
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GOD’S PEOPLE ARE SEALED WITH GOD’S SPIRIT.

EPHESIANS 1:13 In whom you also trusted, after you heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation: in whom also after you believed, you were sealed with that Holy Spirit of promise

2 CORINTHIANS 1:21-22 [21], Now he who establishes us with you in Christ, and has anointed us, is God; [22], Who has also sealed us, and given the earnest of the Spirit in our hearts.

...............

WHO ARE GOD'S PEOPLE THAT ARE SEALED WITH GOD'S SPIRIT?

JOHN 14:15-26 [15], If you love me, keep my commandments. [16], and I will pray the Father, and he shall give you another Comforter, that he may abide with you forever; [17], Even the Spirit of truth; whom the world cannot receive, because it sees him not, neither knows him: but you know him; for he dwells with you, and shall be in you.

REVELATION 12:17 [17], And the dragon was angry with the woman, and went to make war with the remnant of her offspring, who keep the commandments of God, and have the testimony of Jesus Christ.

REVELATION 14:12 [12], Here is the patience of the saints: here are they that keep the commandments of God, and the faith of Jesus.

REVLATION 22:14 [14], Blessed are they that do his commandments, that they may have right to the tree of life, and may enter in through the gates into the city.

NOTE: GOD’S PEOPLE KEEP ALL OF GOD’S COMMANDMENTS BY FAITH in God's WORD

...............

ARE THERE CONDITIONS FOR RECEIVING GOD’S SPIRIT?

ACTS 2:38 [38], Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and you shall receive the gift of the Holy Spirit.

ACTS 3:19 [19], Repent therefore, and be converted, that your sins may be blotted out, when the times of refreshing shall come from the presence of the Lord

1 JOHN 1:9 [9], If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.

PROVERBS 28:13 He that covers his sins shall not prosper: but whosoever confesses and forsakes them shall have mercy.

NOTE: Receiving God’s Spirit is conditional on seeking GOD’S FORGIVENESS in CONFESSION AND REPENTANCE of our sins and be baptized before we can RECEIVE the gift of God’s Spirit. God’s 10 commandments give us the KNOWLEDGE of GOOD AND EVIL; SIN and RIGHTEOUSNESS *ROMANS 3:20; ROMANS 7:7; JAMES 2:10-11; 1 JOHN 3:4; PSALMS 119:172. If we break any one of them, we stand guilty before God of sin *JAMES 2:8-11 and need to seek God in confession and repentance of our sins and believing God’s promises of forgiveness and salvation from sin *ACTS 2:38; 3:19; 1 JOHN 1:9; 2:1; PROVERBS 28:13. LOVE is the NEW COVENANT promise of being BORN again *HEBREWS 8:10-12; 1 JOHN 3:3-10. LOVE is the fulfilling of God’s LAW in us as we have faith in his WORD *EPHESIANS 2:10; 1 THESSALONIANS 2:13; PHILIPPIANS 2:13; ROMANS 13:8-10 and is why JESUS says….

JOHN 14:15-26 [15], If you love me, keep my commandments. [16], and I will pray the Father, and he shall give you another Comforter, that he may abide with you forever; [17], Even the Spirit of truth; whom the world cannot receive, because it sees him not, neither knows him: but you know him; for he dwells with you, and shall be in you. [18], I will not leave you comfortless: I will come to you. [19], Yet a little while, and the world sees me no more; but you see me: because I live, you shall live also. [20], At that day you shall know that I am in my Father, and you in me, and I in you. [21], He that has my commandments, and keeps them, he it is that loves me: and he that loves me shall be loved of my Father, and I will love him, and will manifest myself to him. [22], Judas said unto him, not Iscariot, Lord, how is it that you will manifest yourself unto us, and not unto the world? [23], Jesus answered and said unto him, If a man loves me, he will keep my words: and my Father will love him, and we will come unto him, and make our abode with him. [24], He that loves me not keeps not my sayings: and the word which you hear is not mine, but the Father's who sent me. [25], These things have I spoken unto you, being yet present with you. [26], But the Comforter, who is the Holy Spirit, whom the Father will send in my name, he shall teach you all things, and bring all things to your remembrance, whatsoever I have said unto you.

NOTE: Receiving the Spirit of God is conditional on BELIEVING and FOLLOWING God’s WORD, REPENTANCE and CONFESSION of SIN (breaking God’s LAW) and being baptized and keeping God’s Commandments by faith as we walk in God’s Spirit. This is God’s WORK in us and walking in God’s Spirt we will not fulfill the lusts of the flesh *GALATIANS 5:16. So if we are NOT BELIEVING and FOLLOWING God’s WORD and breaking his Commandments than God’s WORD says we DO NOT KNOW GOD and we DO NOT HAVE his SPIRIT.

1 JOHN 2:3-4 [3], And by this we know that we know him, if we keep his commandments. [4], He that says, I know him, and keeps not his commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him.

NOTE: This is the difference between the people of GOD and the people of the devil.

1 JOHN 3:3-10
[3], And every man that has this hope in him purifies himself, even as he is pure.
[4], Whosoever commits sin transgresses also the law: for sin is the transgression of the law.
[5], And you know that he was manifested to take away our sins; and in him is no sin.
[6], Whosoever abides in him sins not: whosoever sins has not seen him, neither known him.
[7], Little children, let no man deceive you: he that does righteousness is righteous, even as he is righteous.
[8], He that commits sin is of the devil; for the devil sins from the beginning. For this purpose the Son of God was manifested, that he might destroy the works of the devil.
[9], Whosoever is born of God does not commit sin; for his nature remains in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God.
[10], In this the children of God are manifest, and the children of the devil: whosoever does not righteousness is not of God, neither he that loves not his brother.

NOTE: The difference between God's people and the people of the devil is that God's people are not praticing KNOWN UNREPENTANT SIN. They are keeping God's Commandments.

...............

CAN WE GRIEVE AND LOSE THE HOLY SPIRITS PRESENCE?

EPHESIANS 4:30 And grieve not the holy Spirit of God, by whom you are sealed unto the day of redemption.

PSALMS 51:11 Do not cast me away from your presence, and do not take your Holy Spirit from me

1 SAMUEL 16:14 But the Spirit of the Lord departed from Saul and a distressing Spirit from the Lord troubled him

NOTE: We can grieve God's Spirit and God's presence will leave us if we break God's commandments and resist his Spirit by living a life of KNOWN UNREPENTANT SIN (breaking God's Commandments)

...............

HOW DO WE LOSE GOD’S PRESENCE AND SPIRIT?

ISAIAH 59:2 But your iniquities have separated between you and your God, and your sins have hid his face from you, that he will not hear.

NOTE: As shown already through the scriptures, RECEIVING the GIFT of God’s HOLY Spirit is conditional on BELIEVING and FOLLOWING God’s WORD. If we are NOT BELIEVING and FOLLOWING God’s WORD and breaking God’s Commandments and are in SIN we LOSE the presence of GOD. This is not to say that God gives up on us. He loves us and will convict us of sin when we do so but it is up to us to seek GOD in confession and repentance and FORGIVENESS by Faith before we can receive God’s presence again.

HEBREWS 3:7-11
[7], Therefore as the Holy Spirit says, Today if you will hear his voice,
[8], Harden not your hearts, as in the rebellion, in the day of testing in the wilderness:
[9], When your fathers tested me, proved me, and saw my works forty years.
[10], Therefore I was grieved with that generation, and said, They do always err in their heart; and they have not known my ways.
[11], So I swore in my wrath, they shall not enter into my rest.

……………………..

CONCLUSION: RECEIVING God’s SPIRIT is CONDITIONAL on BELIEVING and FOLLOWING God’s WORD and by FAITH in God’s WORD seeking God in CONFESSION and REPENTANCE of SIN and being baptized in his Spirit walking in his Spirit in OBEDIENCE to God’s WORD. Walking in God’s SPIRIT we will not fulfill the LUSTS of the flesh *GALATIANS 5:16. God’s WORK in us is LOVE and all those who LOVE fulfill God’s LAW because they have God’s Spirit which is the NEW COVENANT promise *HEBREWS 8:10-12; ROMANS 13:8-10; 1 JOHN 3:3-10. God’s people keep ALL of God’s Commandments by faith in God’s WORD and are sealed with God’s Spirit *JOHN 14:15-26; REVELATION 12:17; REVELATION 14:12; REVLATION 22:14; EPHESIANS 1:13; 2 CORINTHIANS 1:21-22. If anyone is breaking God’s Commandments living and known unrepentant sin they do not have God’s SPIRIT and do not KNOW God because they are still in their sins and have rejected the gift of God’s dear son *1 JOHN 2:3-4; 1 JOHN 3:3-10; HEBREWS 10:26-27; HEBREWS 6:4-8; ROMANS 6:23. God only gives his Spirit to those who BELIEVE and OBEY his WORD *

ACTS 5:32 And we are his witnesses of these things; and so is also the Holy Spirit, whom God has given to them that obey him.

My friends are you by God's grace and faith fulfilling the conditions for receiving God's Spirit and preparing yourself not to receive the MARK OF THE BEAST? If you find you are not than grieve not the Spirit of God and harden not your heart. JESUS stand at the door and is knocking on the door of your heart. Open the door to him and invite him in by confessing your sins and repenting. BELIEVE his WORD. In times of ignorance God winks at. He is calling us all to have a closer walk with him and to worship him in Spirit and in truth.

God's sheep hear his Voice (the Word)

May God bless you as you seek him through his Word.
The mark of the beast is not a day of the week, that you attend church.

Revelation 13:17
And he provides that no one will be able to buy or to sell, except the one who has the mark, either the name of the beast or the number of his name.

The mark is the number of his name or the name itself. That's what the scripture states and that is what you should accept.
 
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The mark of the beast is not a day of the week, that you attend church.

Revelation 13:17
And he provides that no one will be able to buy or to sell, except the one who has the mark, either the name of the beast or the number of his name.

The mark is the number of his name or the name itself. That's what the scripture states and that is what you should accept.

are you willing to bet your eternal life on your interpretation of the mark of the beast?
because if you do not know what the mark is you will except it

Just so you know I do (bet my eternal life on the correct interpretation of the mark of the beast. I will not be deceived by the commandments of men)

Matthew 7:13-14
[ The Narrow and Wide Gates ] “Enter through the narrow gate. For wide is the gate and broad is the road that leads to destruction, and many enter through it. But small is the gate and narrow the road that leads to life, and only a few find it.

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13:16-18 The beast causes his followers to receive a “mark in their right hand, or in their foreheads: And that no man might buy or sell” without the “mark,” or the “name,” or the “number of the name of the first beast.

The mark of the beast will be the observance of a religious law, enforced by the United States and other governments around the world, endorsing the authority of the Papacy. Those who receive the mark in their foreheads believe that this “Sunday law” is necessary to regain God’s favor, while those marked in the hand obey only out of fear of death. This mark is Satan’s counterfeit of the seal God places in the forehead of His followers. Revelation 7:3. God’s seal is His name, character and law written in His people’s hearts and minds and is seen in His seventh-day Sabbath commandment, which identifies Him as our Creator. See note on Revelation 7:2-3. In Revelation 14:12 those who resist the mark of the beast are those who “keep the commandments of God, and the faith of Jesus.”

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The mark is the number of his name or the name itself. That's what the scripture states and that is what you should accept.

Okay what is the number of his name and his name?

Got to know his name in order to not be deceived
 
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