Jonathan Cahn Message to the President, Our Fault Again

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Firstly, I don't necessarily disagree with everything Jonathan Cahn says. But in his latest prophetic message to Biden he does a popular thing that many ignorant pastors do today with posting blame for America's situation, and that is to blame the people of God for the evils happening in America. It is a blatant false accusation that we, those faithful in Christ Jesus, have turned away from Him and worship other gods instead.

How often have you heard it brethren, that murder, terrorizing the capitol, rioting in the streets, committing evils in America, etc., those things happening ultimately come from being our fault? He claims just as Israel did in their Old Testament history, that:

"... America, as did ancient Israel at the height of its prosperity, has turned away from God. We've driven Him out of our public squares, out of the schools of our children, out of our culture, out of our lives. And as did ancient Israel, in place of His absence we've let in other gods and served them...". (
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What a guilt trip upon Christianity!!! I wasn't aware that is what Christ's faithful have been guilty of! I only see those who have fallen away from Christ, and especially those who hate God like atheistic communists, that are mainly responsible for those things!

And where are the majority of the evils in America occurring? In the over-populated big cities! That's also where Biden won most of his votes, in the over-populated areas of the big cities, not the rural areas. This is also why many of God's people that once lived in those big cities have been leaving them and moving to rural areas where the majority still believe in God and His ways.

In Daniel 11 with the prophecy about the "vile person" who becomes king in Jerusalem for the end, at that time it is written that those who do know their God shall be strong, and do exploits (Daniel 11:32-35).

The majority of God's people in America have not left Him to follow other gods. The majority of God's people in America are still... strong in the Faith, and are doing exploits, and will continue to do exploits for Christ Jesus! Just because Christ's enemies have taken over America's main media, entertainment, and public education outlets and refuse to report about the exploits of God's people in Christ Jesus doesn't mean God's people are weak and no longer effective! The more Christ's enemies try to silence God's people in these times the greater The Holy Spirit will speak through God's people to the whole... world! Do they really think they can cut off God's Power for Advertisement to the whole world?!? Didn't they learn their lesson by His Son Jesus Christ, and The Gospel going out to all nations? even Communist controlled nations?

So really, Mr. Cahn ought to be addressing some of his own brethren, the unbelieving Jews, like those who run many of the media outlets in Hollywood that produce corrupt movies that promote filth and atheism, including anti-Christian groups that try to use anti-Semitism as a weapon against Christian culture (like Abraham Foxman of the ADL who once said they needed to do something about all the Christian movies that were making it to the public, trying to Christianize America. - 'Son of God': Jewish Leader Hopes Bible Film Will Be 'Antidote' to 'Passion of the Christ' and also at Foxman’s Fearmongering). I'm sorry, but there's no way I myself as a believer on Christ Jesus could trust a non-believing Jew to properly portray the crucifixion of Lord Jesus of Nazareth.

As for the corrupt Pharisees at Jesus' 1st coming, The New Testament reveals they were not all corrupt. Nicodemus of John 3 was a Pharisee, and he contributed spices in prep for Jesus' burial. The Gospel showed that some of the Pharisees believed on Jesus Christ. So portrayal of the blind scribes and Pharisees who pushed to have Jesus crucified was accurate in Mel Gibson's Passion of Christ movie. So why doesn't Mr. Cahn stress those kind of wrong attitudes about Christ's crucifixion by Jewish haters of The Passion of Christ, since it follows The New Testament Bible witness?

You see brethren, there is nothing about Christianity per God's Word that prevents what other peoples want to believe. If the orthodox unbelieving Jew doesn't want to believe on Jesus of Nazareth as The Christ, that's OK for them if that's what they want. We won't go knocking on their door to preach Christ to them. But IF their neighbor wants to hear about Jesus, that doesn't mean they have the right to prevent it, not in America, and not per the U.S. Constitution either. So where is Mr. Cahn in these kind of cultural battles with some of his own unbelieving brethren that wield political power in America?

And how... does one address a message to Biden, but then turn around in that message and blame the American people for the sad state of affairs in the corrupt portions of the nation? (that's right, not every place in the U.S. is totally corrupt and evil and against Christ.)
 

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Firstly, I don't necessarily disagree with everything Jonathan Cahn says. But in his latest prophetic message to Biden he does a popular thing that many ignorant pastors do today with posting blame for America's situation, and that is to blame the people of God for the evils happening in America. It is a blatant false accusation that we, those faithful in Christ Jesus, have turned away from Him and worship other gods instead.
That is not how I understood Jonathan Cahn's comments ... I do not follow his ministry but tune in from time to time.

Cahn is addressing the nation when he says we have turned away from God, not "those faithful in Jesus Christ".

It is undeniable that as a nation, the practice of traditional Christianity has declined throughout the country, and is likely to accelerate under an administration that makes religious liberty subordinate to LGBT ideology, late term abortion, and the removal of Christian values in education.
 
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I agree, Cahn is using the term "we" in the generic sense as a nation.

If you feel you as a Christian are insulted by his message, perhaps it's your ego you're defending more than anything else.

Many Christians have an ego-identity attachment to a group, in this case the religion.

True Christians aren't offended because they're not defending their ego's, but know the truth when they hear it.

We as a Nation, have rejected God's commandments and are trying to write our own.

We in this case doesn't mean the believers in Christ per se, but the nation collectively.
 
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That is not how I understood Jonathan Cahn's comments ... I do not follow his ministry but tune in from time to time.

Cahn is addressing the nation when he says we have turned away from God, not "those faithful in Jesus Christ".

It is undeniable that as a nation, the practice of traditional Christianity has declined throughout the country, and is likely to accelerate under an administration that makes religious liberty subordinate to LGBT ideology, late term abortion, and the removal of Christian values in education.

The great falling away that Apostle Paul foretold of in 2 Thess.2 involves the arrival of the Antichrist sitting in a rebuilt temple in Jerusalem for the end of this world. That time is not yet today, but near. So lack of Church attendance involving men's traditions isn't a reliable marker of the falling away idea. Nor will Christian values decline among those in Christ Jesus, which is actually how it is in the 'majority' of the lands in the United States. The prime examples of falling away Cahn is pointing to is in the large urban areas and with the crept in unawares in high places.

What brethren like Cahn does't appear to understand is that there is a 'conspiracy' going on against God and His people, and it isn't with the majority of His people, it is with certain ones NOT OF God's people that have crept in which were ordained to that condemnation against Christ (Jude 1). The Canaanites crept in among Israel long ago, and they are still here at work against us. World Socialism, Communism, is behind these workings in America today, along with the occult fraternities that work hidden behind the scenes which the media will never talk about. All this was covered in 'general' in God's Word for the end of this world about Satan's servants.

They are trying to create chaos against peaceful American citizens, because Satan's goal is to sort out the Christian believers among Americans, because this is the tribulation that must happen at the end which Lord Jesus forewarned us about. Jesus gave us these Signs of the end to be watching, so why isn't Cahn preaching those Signs, instead of pointing the finger at how WE have allowed evil in our land? You do realize that Satan's host WANT us to react violently, to try and stop their takeover and coming persecutions? Some inevitably will try, but it will be of no use, because like God's Word teaches for the end, we have been given under Satan's hand for 42 months, and the whole world for that matter (Revelation 13:4-8). So tighten your seat belt! Watch, and don't be deceived. And especially, don't fall into a guilt trip like all these things happening are somehow 'our' fault.
 
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I agree, Cahn is using the term "we" in the generic sense as a nation.

If you feel you as a Christian are insulted by his message, perhaps it's your ego you're defending more than anything else.

Many Christians have an ego-identity attachment to a group, in this case the religion.

True Christians aren't offended because they're not defending their ego's, but know the truth when they hear it.

We as a Nation, have rejected God's commandments and are trying to write our own.

We in this case doesn't mean the believers in Christ per se, but the nation collectively.

That's silly, true Americans have not rejected God's commandments under Christ Jesus.

Looked at a map of the conservative vote vs. the liberal vote for the President lately? The liberal vote was mainly in the liberal parts of the country, especially in the urban areas. Apparently you aren't aware of the type of people in control of the urban areas vs. rural areas of the nation. We still mention God in the schools where I live.
 
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That's silly, true Americans have not rejected God's commandments under Christ Jesus.

Looked at a map of the conservative vote vs. the liberal vote for the President lately? The liberal vote was mainly in the liberal parts of the country, especially in the urban areas. Apparently you aren't aware of the type of people in control of the urban areas vs. rural areas of the nation. We still mention God in the schools where I live.

I live in the Democratic State of Massachusetts. I'm not a true American according to you ?

What is a true American ?

Not all the founding fathers like Thomas Jefferson, were believers in Jesus Christ.
 
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I agree that the "tribulation" is heading our way in the not too distant future. Where I disagree is that I believe the majority are now complicit in the moral degradation ... for example, approval of same sex marriage is well over 50% and rapidly climbing. Jonathan Cahn is right to point out the signs of times.

There will always be a group of committed Christians (Romans 11:4) even in the worst of times but not all who call themselves Christians uphold Biblical standards ... as is quite evident in CF forums.
 
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I agree that the "tribulation" is heading our way in the not too distant future. Where I disagree is that I believe the majority are now complicit in the moral degradation ... for example, approval of same sex marriage is well over 50% and rapidly climbing. Jonathan Cahn is right to point out the signs of times.

There will always be a group of committed Christians (Romans 11:4) even in the worst of times but not all who call themselves Christians uphold Biblical standards ... as is quite evident in CF forums.

He still doesn't point to the real ones causing these problems though.
 
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