Some Pragmatism

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You seem to think that passes lots of "progressive" bills in the House, as they did last time and have them all defeated in the Senate is the path to Democratic victory in 2022. I disagree.

I think that compromising with a dozen Republicans to pass legislation will help the Democrats. Such bills include immigration, health care, DACA specifically, infrastructure, and criminal justice.

In 2022, the economy will likely be in excellent shape, presuming an effective fight against COVID. Even a couple major laws in addition to the stimulus would greatly help Democrats. It would ALSO help Senate Republicans who are up for re-election.
How could anyone expect cooperation from the Republicans when Biden has now made it clear that he wants to eliminate the filibuster, make D.C. a state and expand SCOTUS. There is no attempt on the part of the Dems to compromise or negotiate in good faith. The EOs have insulted the Republicans and all those who voted for Trump. The impeachment is another insult as is all the talk about retribution to those who worked for or supported Trump in any way. Biden said he wants to bring our nation together but his actions say otherwise. Biden is going to have enough trouble keep his own party united and answering to those who voted for him and are finding out that they are about to be the worse for it.
 
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How could anyone expect cooperation from the Republicans when Biden has now made it clear that he wants to eliminate the filibuster, make D.C. a state and expand SCOTUS.
Same way that the GOP can pretend to care about cooperation and unity now after proposing plans to eliminate Obamacare and build a wall.

Pro tip - the majority party hoping to accomplish things their followers want doesn't mean that the only option for the minority party is to pout.
 
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How could anyone expect cooperation from the Republicans when Biden has now made it clear that he wants to eliminate the filibuster, make D.C. a state and expand SCOTUS. There is no attempt on the part of the Dems to compromise or negotiate in good faith. The EOs have insulted the Republicans and all those who voted for Trump. The impeachment is another insult as is all the talk about retribution to those who worked for or supported Trump in any way. Biden said he wants to bring our nation together but his actions say otherwise. Biden is going to have enough trouble keep his own party united and answering to those who voted for him and are finding out that they are about to be the worse for it.
Is that what you're worried about? "Insults?"
 
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There is no reason for Democrats to even talk to those who tried to overthrow the US government.

That would make for some awkward moments of silence at the local Democratic Party executive committee meetings, wouldn't it?
 
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That would make for some awkward moments of silence at the local Democratic Party executive committee meetings, wouldn't it?
Not sure the Trump supporters being arrested by the FBI for the terrorist attack would have been there at previous meetings, so no, not really.
 
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Same way that the GOP can pretend to care about cooperation and unity now after proposing plans to eliminate Obamacare and build a wall.

Pro tip - the majority party hoping to accomplish things their followers want doesn't mean that the only option for the minority party is to pout.
Biden is not concerned about any pouting from the party he needs to have cooperation from if he intends to get anything through congress but he should be concerned about those who voted for him, they are already starting to express their displeasure. Killing jobs and playing into the hands of China is not popular with the voters.
 
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Is that what you're worried about? "Insults?"
No not at all my concern is about the jobs he is killing, the taxes he is going to be increasing, the future cost to fill up your car or heat your house and the way he seems to help China.
 
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How could anyone expect cooperation from the Republicans when Biden has now made it clear that he wants to eliminate the filibuster, make D.C. a state and expand SCOTUS. There is no attempt on the part of the Dems to compromise or negotiate in good faith. The EOs have insulted the Republicans and all those who voted for Trump. The impeachment is another insult as is all the talk about retribution to those who worked for or supported Trump in any way. Biden said he wants to bring our nation together but his actions say otherwise. Biden is going to have enough trouble keep his own party united and answering to those who voted for him and are finding out that they are about to be the worse for it.

There can be no reconciliation without repentance.
 
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There can be no reconciliation without repentance.
There should be a joint session of Congress dedicated to repentance for all. Any members who think they did not participate in any sin may be too far gone to repent. Matthew 7
1“Judge[a] not, that you be not judged. 2For with what https://biblehub.com/nkjv/matthew/7.htm#footnotesjudgment you judge, you will be judged; and with the measure you use, it will be measured back to you. 3And why do you look at the speck in your brother’s eye, but do not consider the plank in your own eye? 4Or how can you say to your brother, ‘Let me remove the speck from your eye’; and look, a plank is in your own eye? 5Hypocrite! First remove the plank from your own eye, and then you will see clearly to remove the speck from your brother’s eye.
 
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There should be a joint session of Congress dedicated to repentance for all. Any members who think they did not participate in any sin may be too far gone to repent. Matthew 7
1“Judge[a] not, that you be not judged. 2For with what judgment you judge, you will be judged; and with the measure you use, it will be measured back to you. 3And why do you look at the speck in your brother’s eye, but do not consider the plank in your own eye? 4Or how can you say to your brother, ‘Let me remove the speck from your eye’; and look, a plank is in your own eye? 5Hypocrite! First remove the plank from your own eye, and then you will see clearly to remove the speck from your brother’s eye.

I'm not talking about sin in the abstract, in Christian terms... I was talking about real wrongs against real people. Trump and his sycophants lied to us. As long as they remain unrepentant, it's not possible to reconcile.
 
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If you think that China had something to do with Biden being elected, you may have got it right.

The average American is ignorant of China, and in my experience people that blame China for America's economic woes are simply uninformed.
 
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I'm not talking about sin in the abstract, in Christian terms... I was talking about real wrongs against real people. Trump and his sycophants lied to us. As long as they remain unrepentant, it's not possible to reconcile.
AND the Russia Hoax, and the Kavanaugh fiasco and Maxine Waters ..you get in their faces.. and Chuck Schumer's veiled threat against the U.S. Supreme Court, was all that not wrong, anyone who is bold enough to point fingers is going to have to answer up for their own wrong deeds.
 
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The average American is ignorant of China, and in my experience people that blame China for America's economic woes are simply uninformed.
You are correct when you say "The average American is ignorant of China" but they are becoming much more informed of the real threat that China is to them.
 
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You are correct when you say "The average American is ignorant of China" but they are becoming much more informed of the real threat that China is to them.

China is an internally focused nation with no ambitions of global empire, they are not a real threat to legitimate American security interests.
 
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AND the Russia Hoax, and the Kavanaugh fiasco and Maxine Waters "you get in their faces" and Chuck Schumer's veiled threat against the U.S. Supreme Court, was all that not wrong, anyone who is bold enough to point fingers is going to have to answer up for their own wrong deeds.

Russian interference in the election was not a hoax and there were credible allegations of rape against Kavanaugh.
 
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China is an internally focused nation with no ambitions of global empire, they are not a real threat to legitimate American security interests.
And they need to have aircraft carriers because......?? They are working on outreach to other nations for placement of military bases because.....? They are investing millions in U.S. political figures because.....?? They made artificial islands and weaponized them to control the China Sea because.....? They maintain an extremely active spy network within the U.S. because....? Some Americans may not be watching what China is doing but others are watching very closely. That old we are not a threat line will not work.
 
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Russian interference in the election was not a hoax and there were credible allegations of rape against Kavanaugh.
The facts seem to indicate otherwise. The Russia Hoax is not about Russia, it is all about trying to trump Trump.
 
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China is an internally focused nation with no ambitions of global empire, they are not a real threat to legitimate American security interests.
Oh, no. They fully intend on running the World in 50-200 years. Xi’s a mere “cog”, he understands that, some other megalomaniac dictator will have be World Emperor, but he’s gonna make his mark!
Have the Chinese annexed Nepal yet?

Just a wee little bit! On Election Day here, in the US.
 
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