May God "Violate" Your "Freewill"?

Brightfame52 said:

God purposed that men sin. He purposed that Adam sinned. Gods Purpose is the Author of sin, He authored it into His world for a specific purpose !

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So we sinned by HIS purpose for us, not by our own free will desire to rebel. <S>Riiiight.</S> I mean Nope.

Light cannot create dark.
Love cannot create evil,
or these attributes of GOD have no meaning at all.

I contend that GOD WOULD NEVER make / create us evil by putting us into Adam's sin or sin nature or whatever evil name you want to give to us for becoming conceived and born as human! Light cannot produce dark. Loving righteousness cannot produce evil.

Have you never noticed that the verb MAKE in Romans 5:19 For just as through the disobedience of the one man the many were MADE sinners, so also through the obedience of the one man the many will be made righteous. is also translated as
• to appoint one to administer an office
• to set down as, constitute, to declare, show to be
• to show or exhibit one's self
• to come forward as
all of which mean the same thing as make without using make to mean to be created that way by the disobedience of the one man, that is, by becoming a human in Adam, they proved they were sinful; they were declared to be, shown to be, already sinners.

Brightfame52 said:

The True God is just, even though He cares less about mans will when it comes to His wiill Dan 4:35

35 and all the inhabitants of the earth are reputed as nothing: and he doeth according to his will in the army of heaven, and among the inhabitants of the earth: and none can stay his hand, or say unto him, What doest thou?

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Satan quotes Scripture as well. When you make God's justice something entirely alien from human justice you rob God of His justice. Your claim of justice is completely without merit because it has no meaning, it's tantamount to saying God is zazzles. God is just in the same sense that humans are just, simply to a greater degree. What you present is simply false and twisted.

TedT said:

So we sinned by HIS purpose for us, not by our own free will desire to rebel. <S>Riiiight.</S> I mean Nope.

Light cannot create dark.
Love cannot create evil,
or these attributes of GOD have no meaning at all.

I contend that GOD WOULD NEVER make / create us evil by putting us into Adam's sin or sin nature or whatever evil name you want to give to us for becoming conceived and born as human! Light cannot produce dark. Loving righteousness cannot produce evil.

Have you never noticed that the verb MAKE in Romans 5:19 For just as through the disobedience of the one man the many were MADE sinners, so also through the obedience of the one man the many will be made righteous. is also translated as
• to appoint one to administer an office
• to set down as, constitute, to declare, show to be
• to show or exhibit one's self
• to come forward as
all of which mean the same thing as make without using make to mean to be created that way by the disobedience of the one man, that is, by becoming a human in Adam, they proved they were sinful; they were declared to be, shown to be, already sinners.

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Man sins according to Gods purpose.

Fervent said:

Satan quotes Scripture as well. When you make God's justice something entirely alien from human justice you rob God of His justice. Your claim of justice is completely without merit because it has no meaning, it's tantamount to saying God is zazzles. God is just in the same sense that humans are just, simply to a greater degree. What you present is simply false and twisted.

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The God of the scripture does according to His will, and man does too.

TedT said:

So we sinned by HIS purpose for us, not by our own free will desire to rebel. <S>Riiiight.</S> I mean Nope.

Light cannot create dark.
Love cannot create evil,
or these attributes of GOD have no meaning at all.

I contend that GOD WOULD NEVER make / create us evil by putting us into Adam's sin or sin nature or whatever evil name you want to give to us for becoming conceived and born as human! Light cannot produce dark. Loving righteousness cannot produce evil.

Have you never noticed that the verb MAKE in Romans 5:19 For just as through the disobedience of the one man the many were MADE sinners, so also through the obedience of the one man the many will be made righteous. is also translated as
• to appoint one to administer an office
• to set down as, constitute, to declare, show to be
• to show or exhibit one's self
• to come forward as
all of which mean the same thing as make without using make to mean to be created that way by the disobedience of the one man, that is, by becoming a human in Adam, they proved they were sinful; they were declared to be, shown to be, already sinners.

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Men sin with their will according to Gods purpose.

Brightfame52 said:

Men sin with their will according to Gods purpose.

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Lipstick on a pig doesn't get her invited to the wedding...

GOD could never have a purpose or a need to purpose evil and sin...

TedT said:

Lipstick on a pig doesn't get her invited to the wedding...

GOD could never have a purpose or a need to purpose evil and sin...

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You dont know the True God !

1 John 1:5 This is the message we have heard from Him and announce to you, that God is Light, and in Him there is no darkness at all. Surely this means that HE cannot do or create evil in any way by any method any more than a match can be struck and darkness come out and fill a room! If you think this verse means something else I'd love to hear what that is but please, no more theology proving that creating us as sinful men in Adam is NOT creating us to be sinners and evil.

Do we believe Mark 3:23 So Jesus called them over to him and began to speak to them in parables: “How can Satan drive out Satan? 24 If a kingdom is divided against itself, that kingdom cannot stand. And if a house be divided against itself, that house cannot stand."? Is not the holy side of this syllogism, "IF GOD drives our Satan's evil, how can HE create the evil HE hates"? IF GOD hates wickedness and has no wickedness in HIM, Psalm 92:15 proclaiming, "The LORD is upright; he is my Rock, and there is no wickedness in him. and Psalm 5:4 For You are not a God who delights in wickedness; no evil can dwell with You., how can we say that HE created wicked people by having them born as sinful men in Adam without being a house divided? Both things cannot be true at the same time because they are opposites. IF HE cannot dwell with the wicked, how can HE have created them / us, especially HIS Bride, as evil in Adam? As soon as HE purposed sin HE would have to destroy it!!

Matthew 7:18 A good tree cannot bear bad fruit, and a bad tree cannot bear good fruit. Christ is good so cannot create evil people by making them human in Adam's sin, especially those HE chose before the foundation of the world to be HIS Bride!!! How foolish is this??

James 3:11 Can both fresh water and bitter water flow from the same spring? 12 My brothers, can a fig tree grow olives, or a grapevine bear figs? Neither can a salt spring produce fresh water. Though this is about words, how much more is it about the creation of people who are more important than words? If HE purposes some to evil then HE cannot purpose others to righteousness.

Isaiah 64:6 All of us have become like one who is unclean, and all our righteous acts are like filthy rags; ie, the unclean cannot produce that which is clean or profitable before GOD or to GOD…then how can we believe that that which is perfectly clean can produce filth and corruption OR HAVE ANY REASON FOR DOING SO???

Once we decide that the doctrine of inherited sin is blasphemy against HIS loving justice, only then will we ever be open to the truth of how we became sinners ie where our depravity came from.

TedT said:

Lipstick on a pig doesn't get her invited to the wedding...

GOD could never have a purpose or a need to purpose evil and sin...

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God does allow sin to occur, since we all sin, so does sin have a purpose in helping willing individuals in their fulfilling their earthly objective?