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No! But you continue believing that if you want. Roman Empires are Gentile Kingdoms. Not God kingdom, but set up by God. Read!
Was there ever a Roman Empire? If so, this is the one Daniel is speaking of. But again “Jesus answered and said unto him, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God.” John 3:3 (KJV 1900)
 
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Was there ever a Roman Empire? If so, this is the one Daniel is speaking of. But again “Jesus answered and said unto him, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God.” John 3:3 (KJV 1900)

Now, First, let's make sure we on the same page about born again. Born is a change in the body not the mind. Let's go into John 3:1 There was a man of the Pharisees, named Nicodemus, a ruler of the Jews: 2 The same came to Jesus by night, and said unto him, Rabbi, we know that thou art a teacher come from God: for no man can do these miracles that thou doest, except God be with him. 3 Jesus answered and said unto him, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, except a man be born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God.

Notice verse 3, except a man is born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God. We have just learned something here. If you are not born again you can not see the kingdom of God. As we go further you will understand this. Remember there is a time for everything.

Nicodemus asked a very good question. Take a look at the next set of verses.

John 3:4 Nicodemus saith unto him, How can a man be born when he is old? Can he enter the second time into his mother's womb, and be born? 5 Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God.

In verse 5, born of the water in this case is the Word of God. Notice the Lord mentions the kingdom of God again, but He adds a little more information. He says "Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God. When he mentions spirit He means exactly that. Watch how the Lord gives something physical to describe exactly what He means.

John 3:6 That which is born of the flesh is flesh; and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit.

Notice He made a difference between flesh and spirit.

John 3:7 Marvel not that I said unto thee, Ye must be born again.

8 The wind bloweth where it listeth, and thou hearest the sound thereof, but canst not tell whence it cometh, and whither it goeth: so is every one that is born of the Spirit.

Notice: He compared the wind to a spirit. Can you see the wind? No! We have seen things being blown around by the wind, but we have never seen the wind. If you are born of the spirit you are like the wind. This is when you are truly born again, when you are born of the spirit.

This change will happen for those who come up in the first resurrection, in Jesus kingdom first. But the Kingdom Jesus talking about here is the Father Kingdom. Why? Because flesh and spirit being will be in Jesus Kingdom and not the Father. Go back and read the two KIngdom I post the other day.
 
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People seem to assume that Christianity is a safe haven and those within are to be trusted, but that is far from truth. The adversarial spirit alive and well within the religion, turns from the Gospel of the Kingdom to another, thus is adversarial to the will of God, a will which is to establish His Kingdom over man once more. Not by force as the church has often done, but by our invitation. An invitation from those who have rejected the will of man in favour of the will of God (repentance).

If you can be so kind and add some verses and scriptures here, so I won't assume anything?
 
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Now, First, let's make sure we on the same page about born again. Born is a change in the body not the mind. Let's go into John 3:1 There was a man of the Pharisees, named Nicodemus, a ruler of the Jews: 2 The same came to Jesus by night, and said unto him, Rabbi, we know that thou art a teacher come from God: for no man can do these miracles that thou doest, except God be with him. 3 Jesus answered and said unto him, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, except a man be born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God.

Notice verse 3, except a man is born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God. We have just learned something here. If you are not born again you can not see the kingdom of God. As we go further you will understand this. Remember there is a time for everything.

Nicodemus asked a very good question. Take a look at the next set of verses.

John 3:4 Nicodemus saith unto him, How can a man be born when he is old? Can he enter the second time into his mother's womb, and be born? 5 Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God.

In verse 5, born of the water in this case is the Word of God. Notice the Lord mentions the kingdom of God again, but He adds a little more information. He says "Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God. When he mentions spirit He means exactly that. Watch how the Lord gives something physical to describe exactly what He means.

John 3:6 That which is born of the flesh is flesh; and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit.

Notice He made a difference between flesh and spirit.

John 3:7 Marvel not that I said unto thee, Ye must be born again.

8 The wind bloweth where it listeth, and thou hearest the sound thereof, but canst not tell whence it cometh, and whither it goeth: so is every one that is born of the Spirit.

Notice: He compared the wind to a spirit. Can you see the wind? No! We have seen things being blown around by the wind, but we have never seen the wind. If you are born of the spirit you are like the wind. This is when you are truly born again, when you are born of the spirit.

This change will happen for those who come up in the first resurrection, in Jesus kingdom first. But the Kingdom Jesus talking about here is the Father Kingdom. Why? Because flesh and spirit being will be in Jesus Kingdom and not the Father. Go back and read the two KIngdom I post the other day.
Where you and the Pharisees missed it is that the kingdom is spiritual and comes without observation. Since you cannot see it, you reject Christ's gospel of the kingdom and side with the Pharisees waiting for their premillennial kingdom.
 
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What is the gospel of Jesus? Is it merely the news that he was born in a manger? Is it confined to the miracles and healing Jesus did while walking the earth? Maybe it's simply the news of his death and resurrection? Well, all of these things are a part of the gospel, but the good news that Jesus preached is much more "... Jesus came into Galilee, preaching the gospel of the kingdom of God" (Mark 1:14). This is the gospel of Jesus. Nowadays many fail to preach the gospel of God's kingdom. Why? The bible teaches that Satan has deceived the whole world (Revelation 12:9). Jesus said that many would come preaching in his name and yet deceive many (Matthews 24:5). This is why pastors everywhere claim to be fulfilling the great commission (spreading the gospel all over the world), but never mention the coming of God's kingdom. Therefore, many people are deceived and have not heard the gospel of Jesus. Instead they hear and believe another gospel, which teaches that they are going to heaven. This is not the gospel of Jesus!

All over the bible, from the promise to Abraham in Genesis to the second coming of Jesus in Revelation, the Lord reveals that his kingdom will be on earth. This message is supposed to be good news to us, especially considering the condition of the world. We should be glad to know that God is going to straighten out the trouble and confusion that's presently in the world. Jesus even told us to pray for the fulfillment of his gospel, "Thy kingdom come. Thy will be done in earth, as it is in heaven" (Matthew 6:10). Jesus also warned us to repent (turn from our sins) and be prepared for the coming of his kingdom. If we truly believe the gospel, then we will obey God's commandments. "...The unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God" (I Corinthians 6:9).

However, Jesus said the meek are blessed because they will inherit the earth (Matthew 5:5). Now why in the world would the meek want to inherit the earth if God is supposed to take us to heaven? Maybe the meek are not so blessed after all?! Yes, the meek are blessed because they will be on the earth, in God's kingdom. "...but the wicked shall not inhabit the earth" (Proverbs 10:30). Therefore, repent and believe the gospel (Mark 1:15). Jesus never promised to take us to heaven. As a matter of fact Jesus said that no man went up to heaven except he (speaking of himself) that came down from heaven (St. John 3:13). Jesus promised us we would dwell with him on the earth. That's right, Jesus is returning to establish the kingdom of God. If we have faith and obey him, we will rule with him on the earth, "And hast made us unto our God kings and priests; and we shall reign on the earth" (Revelation 5:10).
The gospel of Jesus Christ is His cause to keep us out of hell. His cause is to create mansions in heaven so we can go and be with Him as our king. There has been a lot of talk about us living in a simulation. I do not believe this. We are able to go and dig up a dead body and it is still there, rotting in the ground. That is not simulated. We are here to prove our worthiness to God and reject the pleasures of this world. This world may have been created by God but was given to satan to rule over and we must reject all worldly goods and toys and pleasures because we cannot have both. Our rewards are stored in heaven.
 
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The gospel of Jesus Christ is His cause to keep us out of hell. His cause is to create mansions in heaven so we can go and be with Him as our king. There has been a lot of talk about us living in a simulation. I do not believe this. We are able to go and dig up a dead body and it is still there, rotting in the ground. That is not simulated. We are here to prove our worthiness to God and reject the pleasures of this world. This world may have been created by God but was given to satan to rule over and we must reject all worldly goods and toys and pleasures because we cannot have both. Our rewards are stored in heaven.

Throughout the bible we find that in order to receive eternal salvation we must keep God's commandments to the end. If we make a mistake we must not give up, but continue to strive for the prize (Philippians 3:13-14). The last chapter in the whole bible reminds us of this one last time. "Blessed are they that do his commandments that they may have right to the tree of life." (Revelation 22:14). After this we find only seven more verses in the bible, and none of them does away with God's commandments.

The commandments of God are not hard to keep (I John 5:3) and furthermore, they teach us love in the highest degree. If you love Jesus you will keep his commandments (St. John 14:15). You will not displease the Lord by: Worshipping other gods, having graven images, taking his name in vain, breaking his Sabbath day (which is Saturday not Sunday), or dishonoring your parents. On the other hand, if you love your neighbor as yourself you will not kill him, commit adultery with his spouse, steal from him, falsely accuse him, or covet anything of his.

Let's take a look at where Jesus Kingdom will be. Let's go to Luke 1: 26 And in the sixth month the angel Gabriel was sent from God unto a city of Galilee, named Nazareth, 27 To a virgin espoused to a man whose name was Joseph, of the house of David; and the virgin's name was Mary. 28 And the angel came in unto her, and said, Hail, thou that art highly favoured, the Lord is with thee: blessed art thou among women. 29 And when she saw him, she was troubled at his saying, and cast in her mind what manner of salutation this should be. 30 And the angel said unto her, Fear not, Mary: for thou hast found favour with God. 31 And, behold, thou shalt conceive in thy womb, and bring forth a son, and shalt call his name JESUS. 32 He shall be great, and shall be called the Son of the Highest: and the Lord God shall give unto him the throne of his father David: 33 And he shall reign over the house of Jacob for ever; and of his kingdom there shall be no end.

So Jesus is going to sit on David throne. We know David throne was on the earth and not in heaven where Jesus is now. But let's read by the written of David where Jesus is going to sit on his throne in Psalm 132: 11 The Lord hath sworn in truth unto David; he will not turn from it; Of the fruit of thy body will I set upon thy throne. 12 If thy children will keep my covenant and my testimony that I shall teach them, their children shall also sit upon thy throne for evermore. 13 For the Lord hath chosen Zion; he hath desired it for his habitation. 14 This is my rest for ever: here will I dwell; for I have desired it. Psalms 51:18 Do good in thy good pleasure unto Zion: build thou the walls of Jerusalem. So this is on Earth Sisters and brothers.
 
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Where you and the Pharisees missed it is that the kingdom is spiritual and comes without observation. Since you cannot see it, you reject Christ's gospel of the kingdom and side with the Pharisees waiting for their premillennial kingdom.

No Sir! I have agree with you on the spiritual side of the Kingdom of God. But you brought up the kingdom in Daniel time, I said that's not it, that's the Gentiles kingdom. Then you bring up born again, I post a good conversation with Jesus explaining born again. I showed you Jesus kingdom and the Fathers KIngdom in Revelation. You still not getting it. You are not understanding the Book. You have really take the time read the Bible from Genesis to Revelation. Let's take a look at what Jesus says to Pilate in John 18:35 Pilate answered, Am I a Jew? Thine own nation and the chief priests have delivered thee unto me: what hast thou done? 36 Jesus answered, My kingdom is not of this world: if my kingdom were of this world, then would my servants fight, that I should not be delivered to the Jews: but now is my kingdom not from hence. Matthew 16:28 Verily I say unto you, There be some standing here, which shall not taste of death, till they see the Son of man coming in his kingdom. That will be Jesus second coming when.

But let's take a look at some spiritual conversation concerning the kingdom. Jesus says in Matthew 6:33 But seek ye first the kingdom of God, and his righteousness; and all these things shall be added unto you. Now this is focusing on the will of God. Now the next thing a person have to know, what is righteousness. Then learn that, and do it! Jesus says in Matthew 13: 13 Therefore speak I to them in parables: because they seeing see not; and hearing they hear not, neither do they understand 14 And in them is fulfilled the prophecy of Esaias, which saith, By hearing ye shall hear, and shall not understand; and seeing ye shall see, and shall not perceive: 15 For this people's heart is waxed gross, and their ears are dull of hearing, and their eyes they have closed; lest at any time they should see with their eyes, and hear with their ears, and should understand with their heart, and should be converted, and I should heal them. 16 But blessed are your eyes, for they see: and your ears, for they hear. 17 For verily I say unto you, That many prophets and righteous men have desired to see those things which ye see, and have not seen them; and to hear those things which ye hear, and have not heard them. 18 Hear ye therefore the parable of the sower. 19 When any one heareth the word of the kingdom, and understandeth it not, then cometh the wicked one, and catcheth away that which was sown in his heart. This is he which received seed by the way side.
 
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Throughout the bible we find that in order to receive eternal salvation we must keep God's commandments to the end. If we make a mistake we must not give up, but continue to strive for the prize (Philippians 3:13-14). The last chapter in the whole bible reminds us of this one last time. "Blessed are they that do his commandments that they may have right to the tree of life." (Revelation 22:14). After this we find only seven more verses in the bible, and none of them does away with God's commandments.

The commandments of God are not hard to keep (I John 5:3) and furthermore, they teach us love in the highest degree. If you love Jesus you will keep his commandments (St. John 14:15). You will not displease the Lord by: Worshipping other gods, having graven images, taking his name in vain, breaking his Sabbath day (which is Saturday not Sunday), or dishonoring your parents. On the other hand, if you love your neighbor as yourself you will not kill him, commit adultery with his spouse, steal from him, falsely accuse him, or covet anything of his.

Let's take a look at where Jesus Kingdom will be. Let's go to Luke 1: 26 And in the sixth month the angel Gabriel was sent from God unto a city of Galilee, named Nazareth, 27 To a virgin espoused to a man whose name was Joseph, of the house of David; and the virgin's name was Mary. 28 And the angel came in unto her, and said, Hail, thou that art highly favoured, the Lord is with thee: blessed art thou among women. 29 And when she saw him, she was troubled at his saying, and cast in her mind what manner of salutation this should be. 30 And the angel said unto her, Fear not, Mary: for thou hast found favour with God. 31 And, behold, thou shalt conceive in thy womb, and bring forth a son, and shalt call his name JESUS. 32 He shall be great, and shall be called the Son of the Highest: and the Lord God shall give unto him the throne of his father David: 33 And he shall reign over the house of Jacob for ever; and of his kingdom there shall be no end.

So Jesus is going to sit on David throne. We know David throne was on the earth and not in heaven where Jesus is now. But let's read by the written of David where Jesus is going to sit on his throne in Psalm 132: 11 The Lord hath sworn in truth unto David; he will not turn from it; Of the fruit of thy body will I set upon thy throne. 12 If thy children will keep my covenant and my testimony that I shall teach them, their children shall also sit upon thy throne for evermore. 13 For the Lord hath chosen Zion; he hath desired it for his habitation. 14 This is my rest for ever: here will I dwell; for I have desired it. Psalms 51:18 Do good in thy good pleasure unto Zion: build thou the walls of Jerusalem. So this is on Earth Sisters and brothers.
Eventually after the old earth passes away! It is not on this earth that we are residing on now. We are all dead at this point and in our new bodies. Christ won the war. In the mean time, spoken in plain language, we must strive to not go to hell! How do we do this?We get baptized, and We of course keep the Commandments, we wrestle principalities, we ward off demons , and we keep our eyes on Jesus always. We pray, repent, and love God with all of our heart and soul and mind. We help each other and we reject the desires of the flesh. We fast and we teach children and non- believers about God and tell them hell is real. And then we pray and pray some more and hope that by the grace of God we have done it right and are saved.
 
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No Sir! I have agree with you on the spiritual side of the Kingdom of God. But you brought up the kingdom in Daniel time, I said that's not it, that's the Gentiles kingdom. Then you bring up born again, I post a good conversation with Jesus explaining born again. I showed you Jesus kingdom and the Fathers KIngdom in Revelation. You still not getting it. You are not understanding the Book. You have really take the time read the Bible from Genesis to Revelation. Let's take a look at what Jesus says to Pilate in John 18:35 Pilate answered, Am I a Jew? Thine own nation and the chief priests have delivered thee unto me: what hast thou done? 36 Jesus answered, My kingdom is not of this world: if my kingdom were of this world, then would my servants fight, that I should not be delivered to the Jews: but now is my kingdom not from hence. Matthew 16:28 Verily I say unto you, There be some standing here, which shall not taste of death, till they see the Son of man coming in his kingdom. That will be Jesus second coming when.

But let's take a look at some spiritual conversation concerning the kingdom. Jesus says in Matthew 6:33 But seek ye first the kingdom of God, and his righteousness; and all these things shall be added unto you. Now this is focusing on the will of God. Now the next thing a person have to know, what is righteousness. Then learn that, and do it! Jesus says in Matthew 13: 13 Therefore speak I to them in parables: because they seeing see not; and hearing they hear not, neither do they understand 14 And in them is fulfilled the prophecy of Esaias, which saith, By hearing ye shall hear, and shall not understand; and seeing ye shall see, and shall not perceive: 15 For this people's heart is waxed gross, and their ears are dull of hearing, and their eyes they have closed; lest at any time they should see with their eyes, and hear with their ears, and should understand with their heart, and should be converted, and I should heal them. 16 But blessed are your eyes, for they see: and your ears, for they hear. 17 For verily I say unto you, That many prophets and righteous men have desired to see those things which ye see, and have not seen them; and to hear those things which ye hear, and have not heard them. 18 Hear ye therefore the parable of the sower. 19 When any one heareth the word of the kingdom, and understandeth it not, then cometh the wicked one, and catcheth away that which was sown in his heart. This is he which received seed by the way side.
If the kingdom did not come when Daniel said, you remain in the Pharisee's mindset, looking for a kingdom that will never appear.
 
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If the kingdom did not come when Daniel said, you remain in the Pharisee's mindset, looking for a kingdom that will never appear.

You hardly post book to prove anything you saying. Pauls says in 1 Thessalonians 5:21 Prove all things; hold fast that which is good. It's takes more than one verse, and that verse you post was talking about something else. Jesus says in Matthew 6:10 Thy kingdom come. Thy will be done in earth, as it is in heaven. You can't post what you are saying like I can, because it's not in the book, or you don't understand what you are reading. That's really amazing to me you can't see the kingdoms I post to you Revelation, WOW.
 
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Eventually after the old earth passes away! It is not on this earth that we are residing on now. We are all dead at this point and in our new bodies. Christ won the war. In the mean time, spoken in plain language, we must strive to not go to hell! How do we do this?We get baptized, and We of course keep the Commandments, we wrestle principalities, we ward off demons , and we keep our eyes on Jesus always. We pray, repent, and love God with all of our heart and soul and mind. We help each other and we reject the desires of the flesh. We fast and we teach children and non- believers about God and tell them hell is real. And then we pray and pray some more and hope that by the grace of God we have done it right and are saved.

Well, I'm with you on keeping the Commandments and the baptism, thus far. But the Bible don't support what you are saying about the earth. Let's go take a look in the future in Isaiah 2: 1 The word that Isaiah the son of Amoz saw concerning Judah and Jerusalem. 2 And it shall come to pass in the last days, that the mountain of the Lord's house shall be established in the top of the mountains, and shall be exalted above the hills; and all nations shall flow unto it.

We living in the last now, this war is closer in you know!

3 And many people shall go and say, Come ye, and let us go up to the mountain of the Lord, to the house of the God of Jacob; and he will teach us of his ways, and we will walk in his paths: for out of Zion shall go forth the law, and the word of the Lord from Jerusalem.

So you're saying there's another earth that have Jerusalem there.

4 And he shall judge among the nations, and shall rebuke many people: and they shall beat their swords into plowshares, and their spears into pruninghooks: nation shall not lift up sword against nation, neither shall they learn war any more. 5 O house of Jacob, come ye, and let us walk in the light of the Lord.

This is the Future. If you were me, how would it be possible for me to believe you, after reading this in Isaiah in the Bible. You show me zero scriptures and verses. Let's take a look at what's going to happen right after the war, since you at lease believe that. Let's go into Zechariah 14: 3 Then shall the Lord go forth, and fight against those nations, as when he fought in the day of battle. 4 And his feet shall stand in that day upon the mount of Olives, which is before Jerusalem on the east, and the mount of Olives shall cleave in the midst thereof toward the east and toward the west, and there shall be a very great valley; and half of the mountain shall remove toward the north, and half of it toward the south. 5 And ye shall flee to the valley of the mountains; for the valley of the mountains shall reach unto Azal: yea, ye shall flee, like as ye fled from before the earthquake in the days of Uzziah king of Judah: and the Lord my God shall come, and all the saints with thee.

So the saint is coming to fight with the Lord also. Do you know who the saint are? Let's read and see...Here is the patience of the saints: here are they that keep the commandments of God, and the faith of Jesus. Revelation 14:12

16 And it shall come to pass, that every one that is left of all the nations which came against Jerusalem shall even go up from year to year to worship the King, the Lord of hosts, and to keep the feast of tabernacles.
17 And it shall be, that whoso will not come up of all the families of the earth unto Jerusalem to worship the King, the Lord of hosts, even upon them shall be no rain.

These feast days are still to be kept today, because they represent this future. I can post more and more on this same subject, because it too much Bible to be ignore. If I believe what you saying and what you saying is true, then all this writing shouldn't be written.

One last scripture.....The Lord hath sworn in truth unto David; he will not turn from it; Of the fruit of thy body will I set upon thy throne. If thy children will keep my covenant and my testimony that I shall teach them, their children shall also sit upon thy throne for evermore. For the Lord hath chosen Zion; he hath desired it for his habitation. This is my rest for ever: here will I dwell; for I have desired it. (Psalm 132:11-14). How long is forever! Doesn't sound the Lord planning on taking us nowhere. The Lord coming down here to stay.
Are you not reading this, or just don't believe what you are reading
 
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Well, I'm with you on keeping the Commandments and the baptism, thus far. But the Bible don't support what you are saying about the earth. Let's go take a look in the future in Isaiah 2: 1 The word that Isaiah the son of Amoz saw concerning Judah and Jerusalem. 2 And it shall come to pass in the last days, that the mountain of the Lord's house shall be established in the top of the mountains, and shall be exalted above the hills; and all nations shall flow unto it.

We living in the last now, this war is closer in you know!

3 And many people shall go and say, Come ye, and let us go up to the mountain of the Lord, to the house of the God of Jacob; and he will teach us of his ways, and we will walk in his paths: for out of Zion shall go forth the law, and the word of the Lord from Jerusalem.

So you're saying there's another earth that have Jerusalem there.

4 And he shall judge among the nations, and shall rebuke many people: and they shall beat their swords into plowshares, and their spears into pruninghooks: nation shall not lift up sword against nation, neither shall they learn war any more. 5 O house of Jacob, come ye, and let us walk in the light of the Lord.

This is the Future. If you were me, how would it be possible for me to believe you, after reading this in Isaiah in the Bible. You show me zero scriptures and verses. Let's take a look at what's going to happen right after the war, since you at lease believe that. Let's go into Zechariah 14: 3 Then shall the Lord go forth, and fight against those nations, as when he fought in the day of battle. 4 And his feet shall stand in that day upon the mount of Olives, which is before Jerusalem on the east, and the mount of Olives shall cleave in the midst thereof toward the east and toward the west, and there shall be a very great valley; and half of the mountain shall remove toward the north, and half of it toward the south. 5 And ye shall flee to the valley of the mountains; for the valley of the mountains shall reach unto Azal: yea, ye shall flee, like as ye fled from before the earthquake in the days of Uzziah king of Judah: and the Lord my God shall come, and all the saints with thee.

So the saint is coming to fight with the Lord also. Do you know who the saint are? Let's read and see...Here is the patience of the saints: here are they that keep the commandments of God, and the faith of Jesus. Revelation 14:12

16 And it shall come to pass, that every one that is left of all the nations which came against Jerusalem shall even go up from year to year to worship the King, the Lord of hosts, and to keep the feast of tabernacles.
17 And it shall be, that whoso will not come up of all the families of the earth unto Jerusalem to worship the King, the Lord of hosts, even upon them shall be no rain.

These feast days are still to be kept today, because they represent this future. I can post more and more on this same subject, because it too much Bible to be ignore. If I believe what you saying and what you saying is true, then all this writing shouldn't be written.

One last scripture.....The Lord hath sworn in truth unto David; he will not turn from it; Of the fruit of thy body will I set upon thy throne. If thy children will keep my covenant and my testimony that I shall teach them, their children shall also sit upon thy throne for evermore. For the Lord hath chosen Zion; he hath desired it for his habitation. This is my rest for ever: here will I dwell; for I have desired it. (Psalm 132:11-14). How long is forever! Doesn't sound the Lord planning on taking us nowhere. The Lord coming down here to stay.
Are you not reading this, or just don't believe what you are reading

Heaven and earth will pass away, but my words will never pass away. Matthew 24:35

I saw the Holy City, the new Jerusalem, coming down out of heaven from God, prepared as a bride beautifully dressed for her husband. Revelation 21:21

The one who is victorious I will make a pillar in the temple of my God. Never again will they leave it. I will write on them the name of my God and the name of the city of my God, the new Jerusalem, which is coming down out of heaven from my God; and I will also write on them my new name. Revelation 3:12

That is not supported? I am pretty much spot on with what the Bible says unless you are reading a different book than I am.
 
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Heaven and earth will pass away, but my words will never pass away. Matthew 24:35

I saw the Holy City, the new Jerusalem, coming down out of heaven from God, prepared as a bride beautifully dressed for her husband. Revelation 21:21

The one who is victorious I will make a pillar in the temple of my God. Never again will they leave it. I will write on them the name of my God and the name of the city of my God, the new Jerusalem, which is coming down out of heaven from my God; and I will also write on them my new name. Revelation 3:12

That is not supported? I am pretty much spot on with what the Bible says unless you are reading a different book than I am.

Everything that's been post needs to be understood. You have given me no acknowledgment of what I post yesterday. Paul says Study to show thyself approved: "Study to show thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth.” (2 Timothy 2:15). What you posting right here (Revelation 21) is not the same kingdom I post yesterday. This is the last and final kingdom, but not what I post yesterday. There's such much going on before we get to this kingdom, and it will be on this earth as well.

Eventually after the old earth passes away! It is not on this earth that we are residing on now. We are all dead at this point and in our new bodies. Christ won the war.

According to the Bible, know one is getting off this earth. I'm glad you post Revelation 21, but you need to know what's going on before that time period. Everyone is not dead, people are much alive. Pay closing attention to what Jesus says in John 18:36 Jesus answered, My kingdom is not of this world: if my kingdom were of this world, then would my servants fight, that I should not be delivered to the Jews: but now is my kingdom not from hence. So yesterday I post Jesus coming down with all his saint and if you read all of zechariah 14, you will see a little fighting as if you were reading DC or marvel comic.

Now let's focus on Jesus kingdom. Sometime when Jesus speaks he talks about two different kingdom, this kingdom we talking about is Jesus, not the one you post in Revelation 21. This is all before that time. Let' go into Matthew 24:29 Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken: 30 And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory. 31 And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other. These elect are the saints, that will be raise from the dead, only the saints.

What I'm doing here is putting the story line together, this is call rightly dividing the word of truth. Jesus says in Matthew 16:28 Verily I say unto you, There be some standing here, which shall not taste of death, till they see the Son of man coming in his kingdom. Not everyone going to die, some people will through this all. The saints will be raise and or meet the Lord in the air (1Thessalonian 4:13-16). There's a lot to post on this event, but for time sake, let's go to Revelation 20: 4 And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years. 5 But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished. This is the first resurrection. 6 Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years.

Notice: it says and I saw thrones
Notice: the rest of dead live not again.
Notice: will still on earth.
Notice: this is a thousand year before the next chapter, Revelation 21, Kingdom
Notice: the saints, with power. The saint will be the first to be born again

If you say you knew all this and didn't post it like this where people can see and get some understanding. Then that's wrong on your part and you can't be lazy when it comes to the word of God. Paul's says in 1 Thessalonians 5:21 Prove all things; hold fast that which is good.
 
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Notice: it says and I saw thrones
Notice: the rest of dead live not again.
Notice: will still on earth.
Notice: this is a thousand year before the next chapter, Revelation 21, Kingdom
Notice: the saints, with power. The saint will be the first to be born again
You will notice that during the thousand years regular folks still live and die.
 
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You will notice that during the thousand years regular folks still live and die.

I believe that scripture is in Isaiah 65:20 There shall be no more thence an infant of days, nor an old man that hath not filled his days: for the child shall die an hundred years old; but the sinner being an hundred years old shall be accursed.
 
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I believe that scripture is in Isaiah 65:20 There shall be no more thence an infant of days, nor an old man that hath not filled his days: for the child shall die an hundred years old; but the sinner being an hundred years old shall be accursed.
Yes, death will still occur until we are free of the flesh in the Kingdom to come,.
 
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Everything that's been post needs to be understood. You have given me no acknowledgment of what I post yesterday. Paul says Study to show thyself approved: "Study to show thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth.” (2 Timothy 2:15). What you posting right here (Revelation 21) is not the same kingdom I post yesterday. This is the last and final kingdom, but not what I post yesterday. There's such much going on before we get to this kingdom, and it will be on this earth as well.



According to the Bible, know one is getting off this earth. I'm glad you post Revelation 21, but you need to know what's going on before that time period. Everyone is not dead, people are much alive. Pay closing attention to what Jesus says in John 18:36 Jesus answered, My kingdom is not of this world: if my kingdom were of this world, then would my servants fight, that I should not be delivered to the Jews: but now is my kingdom not from hence. So yesterday I post Jesus coming down with all his saint and if you read all of zechariah 14, you will see a little fighting as if you were reading DC or marvel comic.

Now let's focus on Jesus kingdom. Sometime when Jesus speaks he talks about two different kingdom, this kingdom we talking about is Jesus, not the one you post in Revelation 21. This is all before that time. Let' go into Matthew 24:29 Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken: 30 And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory. 31 And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other. These elect are the saints, that will be raise from the dead, only the saints.

What I'm doing here is putting the story line together, this is call rightly dividing the word of truth. Jesus says in Matthew 16:28 Verily I say unto you, There be some standing here, which shall not taste of death, till they see the Son of man coming in his kingdom. Not everyone going to die, some people will through this all. The saints will be raise and or meet the Lord in the air (1Thessalonian 4:13-16). There's a lot to post on this event, but for time sake, let's go to Revelation 20: 4 And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years. 5 But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished. This is the first resurrection. 6 Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years.

Notice: it says and I saw thrones
Notice: the rest of dead live not again.
Notice: will still on earth.
Notice: this is a thousand year before the next chapter, Revelation 21, Kingdom
Notice: the saints, with power. The saint will be the first to be born again

If you say you knew all this and didn't post it like this where people can see and get some understanding. Then that's wrong on your part and you can't be lazy when it comes to the word of God. Paul's says in 1 Thessalonians 5:21 Prove all things; hold fast that which is good.
I know the order of which is to come. To my original post you said
"But the Bible don't support what you are saying about the earth"
And I was showing that it does. Not right away but I have been studying the Word and Revelation for some time now and just because I didn't post the chronological order of everything is because that is not what I was talking about! I do understand everything you mentioned. To say I didn't would be a lie. There isn't anything wrong on my part and I am not being lazy concerning the Word of God. We know what's going to happen and can talk about it without quoting the same scriptures over and over time and time again. I know what it says! I know what it means! So do you! Can we ever get to a point where we can just talk about it plainly in our own everyday language to make sure we understand it all? Do we always have to act like we are teaching someone something or proving something to someone? To assume that you have any knowledge of my understanding of the Bible is pretty audacious and UnChristian anyways. I get what you are saying and I am curious what your point is. Ask me some questions on my perception or comprehension of the events if you will to see where Im at on my journey before assuming I have never read it.
 
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I know the order of which is to come. To my original post you said
"But the Bible don't support what you are saying about the earth"
And I was showing that it does. Not right away but I have been studying the Word and Revelation for some time now and just because I didn't post the chronological order of everything is because that is not what I was talking about! I do understand everything you mentioned. To say I didn't would be a lie. There isn't anything wrong on my part and I am not being lazy concerning the Word of God. We know what's going to happen and can talk about it without quoting the same scriptures over and over time and time again. I know what it says! I know what it means! So do you! Can we ever get to a point where we can just talk about it plainly in our own everyday language to make sure we understand it all? Do we always have to act like we are teaching someone something or proving something to someone? To assume that you have any knowledge of my understanding of the Bible is pretty audacious and UnChristian anyways. I get what you are saying and I am curious what your point is. Ask me some questions on my perception or comprehension of the events if you will to see where Im at on my journey before assuming I have never read it.


Well, you have given any scripture or verses to support both kingdoms I post is not on the earth. So that makes me think you don't understand all those events I post.
Then you just said the Bible don't support what I'm saying. My post have Jesus feet on mount olive with the saints in Zechariah 14, my post had zion and jerusalem in it, in Isaiah 2 and Psalm 132. All this is not on earth you say? So where is it? Then you post new heaven and a new earth, God of Heaven coming down in Revelation 21, so if Jesus is already on the earth, then God the Father is coming down later after a thousand years, where do you get leaving the earth from, or another earth? You say you understand, but it just don't look like it. Jesus is come back with all his saints and angels for thousand years, and then just leave the earth later. Do that make sense to you?
 
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Jesus is come back with all his saints and angels for thousand years, and then just leave the earth later. Do that make sense to you?
It does to me. Just as there is a time of the gentiles, there is a time of this world, and a new one will be out next home. Just as one man lived inn the Garden, another version lived in this world. The next version will have a new creation as home. Like Jesus said, if it were not so he would have told us.
 
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