Chuck Schumer threatens SCOTUS justices

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The used a fire extinguisher to beat one to death, that enough for you or do you need more violence against law enforcement by a violent pro-Trump mob before it bothers you?

Then a fire extinguisher is what it takes to be "armed"? Or are you simply trying to backpeddle your original point?
 
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Should it matter whether the incitement to violence was successful or not when it comes to holding an individual accountable?
What matters most of all is what was said, not the interpretation of the wording according to any listeners(s), or the response made by any listeners.
 
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What matters most of all is what was said, not the interpretation of the wording according to any listeners(s), or the response made by any listeners.

When talking about the crime of incitement to riot, the response of the listeners not only matters, it's pivotal. Without the riot, there is no crime. You can't incite to riot without a riot.

But that's criminal law. If you want to bring a civil action against Schumer for inciting a non-riot, feel free. But if you can't show damages (ie an actual riot), I highly doubt a judge would find in your favor.

To give an example, there are a couple of exceptions to the idea that it's illegal to yell "Fire!" in a crowded theater: when there is, actually, a fire; and when it doesn't result in a panic. For the latter, look no further than the play Rosencrantz and Guildenstern are Dead. At one point in the play, one of the characters suddenly looks out to the audience and yells "Fire!" When asked why, he says he's just "demonstrating the misuse of free speech."

I've never heard of an audience panicking during that part of the play.

-- A2SG, was in that play for a class in college, and did that scene...no one panicked....I try not to take that as a reflection of my acting abilities......
 
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Time to stop murdering babies regardless of threats from Senators who simply don't care they're being killed and even go so far as to call it a "right".

Oh look, a red herring. How about we stick to the topic instead of trying to redirect it.
 
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Oh look, a red herring. How about we stick to the topic instead of trying to redirect it.

Well from the video he's speaking at a "reproductive rights" event, so it's on topic.
 
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I disagree. The definition of "incite" is "encourage", "persuade", or "urge" someone to act in a violent manner. Whether the violence actually occurred is immaterial to the action of inciting.
It is also a transitive verb - meaning it has an object as well as a subject. Whom did Schumer incite to do what?
 
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Well from the video he's speaking at a "reproductive rights" event, so it's on topic.
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To march on the Capitol, fight and "take back" the government.

Haven't leftist groups ever had marches to the capitol? Haven't democrats fought and "taken back" the government? Have you still not heard the violent rhetoric from the Left against those who speak in favor of Trump?
It's just amazing that you guys are so oblivious to what your own side does, but are only interested in projecting what you do onto other people.
 
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Haven't leftist groups ever had marches to the capitol?
In front of the Capitol and in Lafayette Square, sure; broke into the Capitol? No, not so much.

Haven't democrats fought and "taken back" the government?
Not with guns, pitchforks and nooses. They got out the vote and won their elections which is what the insurrectionists were trying to change through violence.

Have you still not heard the violent rhetoric from the Left against those who speak in favor of Trump?
Anyone calling for him to be killed or hanged, was risking sedition charges.


It's just amazing that you guys are so oblivious to what your own side does, but are only interested in projecting what you do onto other people.
You've picked up the vocabulary (projecting) but you're using it wrong. "My side" has not tried to violently overthrow the government. It was not "my side" that was chanting "Hang Mike Pence". The Capitol rioters (not the peaceful protesters) did try to get the election results overturned by threats and violence.
 
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In front of the Capitol and in Lafayette Square, sure; broke into the Capitol? No, not so much.

Not with guns, pitchforks and nooses. They got out the vote and won their elections which is what the insurrectionists were trying to change through violence.

Anyone calling for him to be killed or hanged, was risking sedition charges.


You've picked up the vocabulary (projecting) but you're using it wrong. "My side" has not tried to violently overthrow the government. It was not "my side" that was chanting "Hang Mike Pence". The Capitol rioters (not the peaceful protesters) did try to get the election results overturned by threats and violence.

You sure have moved the goalposts here. I was responding to what you originally said, which was, "
To march on the Capitol, fight and "take back" the government."
 
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That’s tragic, but is it necessary for “us guys” to respond to all murders?

If you want us to believe that you really care so much about lives being lost to riot violence, then yes. I would certainly not expect you to simply ignore it when it's pointed out.
 
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You sure have moved the goalposts here.
No, the goalposts are firmly planted.
I was responding to what you originally said, which was, "To march on the Capitol, fight and "take back" the government."
And do you remember what I was responding to? Context matters.
 
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What matters most of all is what was said, not the interpretation of the wording according to any listeners(s), or the response made by any listeners.

What was said was inciting a mob to riot.
 
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