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Strange doctrine you hold there.
Strange?
That the word is in our hearts and mouths? That His laws are in our minds and Hearts? That He has given us of His Spirit and it is He that works in us both to will and do His Good pleasure? That we are dead nevertheless we live, yet not us but Christ liveth in us, and the Life we now live in the flesh we live by the FAITH OF the Son of God? That this is the Faith in which we preach?
 
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You're going to have to cite that, because I'm not finding any mention of Luke 22:20 not existing in earlier manuscripts.
In the preface to my Revised English Bible, it says they used many ancient manuscripts for this complete re-translation of the Bible. Where anything has been added into later manuscripts, as is the case with Luke 22:20, they place it as a footnote of that page.
The new Covenant was not made at that time. It couldn't have been, as it will be made to the corporate group of His faithful people, in the end times, as the prophesies say.
1 Corinthians 10:16 does not mention a Covenant.
Okay, I looked at #66. What does Ezekiel talking about the restoration of Israel after the end of the Babylonian captivity in 538 BC have to do with the New Covenant of the New Testament?
It is plain that Ezekiel 36 and 37 remain unfulfilled. They do not relate to what happened in 538 BC.
Ezekiel 20:39-44 is about the exile of all Israel and how they will return and then keep His Commandments. The Jewish return in 538 and again in 1948 AD, has never done that.
 
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Strange?
That the word is in our hearts and mouths? That His laws are in our minds and Hearts? That He has given us of His Spirit and it is He that works in us both to will and do His Good pleasure? That we are dead nevertheless we live, yet not us but Christ liveth in us, and the Life we now live in the flesh we live by the FAITH OF the Son of God? That this is the Faith in which we preach?
You have no idea of the glory that awaits those who trust in the Lord.
Thinking we have it all now is not correct, as the reality is that we don't yet fully have the provisions of Hebrews 8:10-12
I am encouraged that most in this thread disagree with the OP. Blessings to all of you.
Why be encouraged by people who refuse to face the truths of the Prophetic Word?
 
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Where do you get scripture reference for such a doctrine?
Maybe give it some thought to the changes that occurred when Adam & Eve chose to listen to the serpent in the Garden instead of listening to God. Do you not recognize that as a pivotal moment in the history of humanity? Do you believe Jesus came to earth to reverse what was changed then?

Romans 5:14-21
Nevertheless, death reigned from Adam until Moses, even over those who did not sin in the way that Adam transgressed. He is a pattern of the One to come.15But the gift is not like the trespass. For if the many died by the trespass of the one man, how much more did God’s grace and the gift that came by the grace of the one man, Jesus Christ, abound to the many! 16Again, the gift is not like the result of the one man’s sin: The judgment that followed one sin brought condemnation, but the gift that followed many trespasses brought justification. 17For if, by the trespass of the one man, death reigned through that one man, how much more will those who receive an abundance of grace and of the gift of righteousness reign in life through the one man, Jesus Christ!18So then, just as one trespass brought condemnation for all men, so also one act of righteousness brought justification and life for all men. 19For just as through the disobedience of the one man the many were made sinners, so also through the obedience of the one man the many will be made righteous.20The law came in so that the trespass would increase; but where sin increased, grace increased all the more, 21so that, just as sin reigned in death, so also grace might reign through righteousness to bring eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord.
 
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Strange?
That the word is in our hearts and mouths? That His laws are in our minds and Hearts? That He has given us of His Spirit and it is He that works in us both to will and do His Good pleasure? That we are dead nevertheless we live, yet not us but Christ liveth in us, and the Life we now live in the flesh we live by the FAITH OF the Son of God? That this is the Faith in which we preach?

Strange that you say its because of Man's lack of Faith that God gave us the completed scriptures.
 
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Maybe give it some thought to the changes that occurred when Adam & Eve chose to listen to the serpent in the Garden instead of listening to God. Do you not recognize that as a pivotal moment in the history of humanity? Do you believe Jesus came to earth to reverse what was changed then?

Romans 5:14-21
Nevertheless, death reigned from Adam until Moses, even over those who did not sin in the way that Adam transgressed. He is a pattern of the One to come.15But the gift is not like the trespass. For if the many died by the trespass of the one man, how much more did God’s grace and the gift that came by the grace of the one man, Jesus Christ, abound to the many! 16Again, the gift is not like the result of the one man’s sin: The judgment that followed one sin brought condemnation, but the gift that followed many trespasses brought justification. 17For if, by the trespass of the one man, death reigned through that one man, how much more will those who receive an abundance of grace and of the gift of righteousness reign in life through the one man, Jesus Christ!18So then, just as one trespass brought condemnation for all men, so also one act of righteousness brought justification and life for all men. 19For just as through the disobedience of the one man the many were made sinners, so also through the obedience of the one man the many will be made righteous.20The law came in so that the trespass would increase; but where sin increased, grace increased all the more, 21so that, just as sin reigned in death, so also grace might reign through righteousness to bring eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord.

But what has anything in Romans 5:14-21 connects to the New Covenant that God will make with the nation Israel in Hebrews 8:8?
 
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Why be encouraged by people who refuse to face the truths of the Prophetic Word?

Because we live in vital New Covenant relationship and fellowship with the One who is the complete and final fulfillment of His Prophetic Word.

Jesus Christ, Messiah, the Lamb of God who is the Testator and Heir of His New Covenant in His Blood shed at Calvary.

That's why.

You should try Him.
 
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Why be encouraged by people who refuse to face the truths of the Prophetic Word?

Generally, many Christians like the entire Bible to be written "to them" and "about them".

They find it difficult to accept that only Romans to Philemon is to them and about them.

For example, there are no healing promises in those books, so when they look at how Jesus went about the nation Israel and healing all who were oppressed by the devil (Acts 10:38), they start claiming those healing promises in the 4 Gospels, for them too.

Another example, when they read about how God promised to protect Israel during the Tribulation in that beautiful Psalms 91, they find it difficult to rightly divide the word and instead, start to claim those promises that God made to the nation Israel, to them too.

The above 2 examples are what I see happening in the Word of Faith churches all the time.

So, in this case, when they come across such a beautiful promise in Hebrews 8:8 onwards about a new covenant, even though it specifically stated the House of Israel and the House of Judah, the flesh in them naturally want to claim it for themselves too.
 
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You should try Him.
Another violation of this forum rules. I am a born again Christian.
Because we live in vital New Covenant relationship and fellowship with the One who is the complete and final fulfillment of His Prophetic Word.
You left out one little word;
Because we will live in a NC relationship......

Your avoidance of these prophesies shows your bias and ingrained errors.
Ezekiel 34:25 I shall make a Covenant with them for their peace and prosperity....

Isaiah 61:8..... I will grant them a sure reward and make an everlasting Covenant with them.

Isaiah 59:20-21 The Lord will come as a Redeemer to Zion and to those descended from Jacob who repent of their rebellion. This is the Covenant I will make with them: My Spirit will abide with them thru all the following generations.

Jeremiah 32:37-40 I shall gather My people from all the lands where they now live......I will make an everlasting Covenant with them, it will be a joy for Me to do them good.

Ezekiel 37:26 [After the Spiritual regeneration and the rejoining of the tribes] I shall make an everlasting Covenant with them, for their peace and prosperity and their numbers will greatly increase. I will put My Sanctuary in their midst, where it will remain for all time.
 
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In the preface to my Revised English Bible, it says they used many ancient manuscripts for this complete re-translation of the Bible. Where anything has been added into later manuscripts, as is the case with Luke 22:20, they place it as a footnote of that page.
The new Covenant was not made at that time. It couldn't have been, as it will be made to the corporate group of His faithful people, in the end times, as the prophesies say.
1 Corinthians 10:16 does not mention a Covenant.

I meant scholarly sources outside of the Revised English Bible. And what specific manuscripts are involved. Personally if I was going to go with one out of hundreds of English translations that omitted a key verse, I would find out more about it beyond just the footnote in that particular translation. Obviously in exists in earlier manuscripts or there would be more English translations with footnotes for v20.

So far the other English translations that have a footnote for v20 that I've found are the New Living Translation and the Good News Translation, both of which are simplified versions of the Bible made for easy reading. No serious scholar would rely on either one.
 
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So, in this case, when they come across such a beautiful promise in Hebrews 8:8 onwards about a new covenant, even though it specifically stated the House of Israel and the House of Judah, the flesh in them naturally want to claim it for themselves too.
Good that you are able to see that the New Covenant cannot be operational now.

But Hebrews 8:8, which is a word for word copy of Jeremiah 31:31-34, does not now and is impossible to apply to the Houses of Judah and Israel, or it would be a contradiction of all the New Testament teachings of how we Christians are the Israelites of God.
And as it was when the Mosaic Covenant was made, the new one will be made between the Lord and His faithful Christian peoples as a corporate, entire nation in the holy Land.
 
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Good that you are able to see that the New Covenant cannot be operational now.

But Hebrews 8:8, which is a word for word copy of Jeremiah 31:31-34, does not now and is impossible to apply to the Houses of Judah and Israel, or it would be a contradiction of all the New Testament teachings of how we Christians are the Israelites of God.
And as it was when the Mosaic Covenant was made, the new one will be made between the Lord and His faithful Christian peoples as a corporate, entire nation in the holy Land.

So what's the bottom line according to you? Are we still under the Old Covenant and its laws, such as dietary laws etc?
 
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You left out one little word;
Because we will live in a NC relationship......

Your rejection of the New Covenant renders illegitimate any opinion you may have about those who live in its reality.

Your denial that I live in its reality is a violation of forum rules.
 
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