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Hammster · Jan 22, 2021

Speedwell said:
No, it's an important point. It is not necessary to reject the science of human psychosexuality in order to disagree with public policy based on it. Homosexual activity, for example, remains a Christian sin regardless of what science may determine about its nature and origins.

That’s because science cannot determine nature and origins. God’s word, however, does.

section9+1 · Jan 22, 2021

Dave L said:
Jesus says a nation divided against itself cannot stand. What if the division is part of his judgment along with the plague?

I agree with what Jesus said. I am not convinced that the division is a result of judgement. The pandemic I don't know. I think the aids pandemic would be a closer possibility of judgement.

durangodawood · Jan 22, 2021

Hammster said:
That’s because science cannot determine nature and origins. God’s word, however, does.

Science discovers. It doesnt determine. If you believe God made the world, that no conflict with science - which is just a process for discovering what God made.

Speedwell · Jan 22, 2021

Hammster said:
That’s because science cannot determine nature and origins. God’s word, however, does.

In that case, the country will never be unified. We will perpetually be divided between biblical literalists and everybody else.

Hammster · Jan 22, 2021

Speedwell said:
In that case, the country will never be unified. We will perpetually be divided between biblical literalists and everybody else.

Not if everyone repents and believes the gospel, as is commanded by Jesus.

Speedwell · Jan 22, 2021

Hammster said:
Not if everyone repents and believes the gospel, as is commanded by Jesus.

How many have repented and believe the Gospel and are not biblical literalists? I'm afraid you would still find yourself in a minority.

Hammster · Jan 22, 2021

durangodawood said:
Thats a value judgement. Science doesnt opine at all on "what is sin". So, no conflict there.

See previous.

Hammster · Jan 22, 2021

Speedwell said:
How many have repented and believe the Gospel and are not biblical literalists? I'm afraid you would still find yourself in a minority.

I don’t think so.

durangodawood · Jan 22, 2021

Hammster said:
So I guess we should trust God then. He does.

Thats a matter of faith. I'm fine with faith. But its not anything we should expect everyone to get on board with as if we could all see with our own eyes. There are many different faiths out there.

The realty Id like to see some unity around is just the plain demonstrable facts of the world.

Speedwell · Jan 22, 2021

Hammster said:
I don’t think so.

Biblical literalists are a minority of Christians now. What makes you think it would change?

Hammster · Jan 22, 2021

durangodawood said:
Thats a matter of faith. I'm fine with faith. But its not anything we should expect everyone to get on board with as if it were something we can all see with our own eyes. There are many different faiths out there.

It’s a matter of truth. Whether someone believes it or not doesn’t change anything.

durangodawood · Jan 22, 2021

Hammster said:
It’s a matter of truth. Whether someone believes it or not doesn’t change anything.

No its your truth, which is why we call it "faith", and why so many people claim different truth on these matters.

If its objective truth then you can simply show me.

Nithavela · Jan 22, 2021

Hammster said:
Not if everyone repents and believes the gospel, as is commanded by Jesus.

Or if you guys die out. Currently it looks like that is more likely.

In U.S., Decline of Christianity Continues at Rapid Pace

Speedwell · Jan 22, 2021

durangodawood said:
Scientific findings on this matter can introduce some dissonance. Like when science indicates same sex attraction may be biologically innate among certain people. Then our poor guy is stuck with "why would God make a person that way?" Much easier just to turn off the science channel.

Makes it easier to justify criminalizing the behavior for non-Christians as well.

Hammster · Jan 22, 2021

durangodawood said:
No its your truth, which is why we call it "faith", and why so many people claim different truth on these matters.

If its objective truth then you can simply show me.

Thanks. If it’s my truth, then it’s the truth.

Hammster · Jan 22, 2021

Speedwell said:
My point exactly. Science describes homosexuality and Christian doctrine tells us its a sin. You don't have to deny the science to know it's a sin.

You don’t need science to describe homosexuality.

Hammster · Jan 22, 2021

durangodawood said:
Scientific findings on this matter can introduce some dissonance. Like when science indicates same sex attraction may be biologically innate among certain people. Then our poor guy is stuck with "why would God make a person that way?" Much easier just to turn off the science channel.

Even if someone is born that way, they still need to be born again.

Hammster · Jan 22, 2021

Nithavela said:
Or if you guys die out. Currently it looks like that is more likely.

In U.S., Decline of Christianity Continues at Rapid Pace

It will still continue to grow.

He presented another parable to them, saying, “The kingdom of heaven is like a mustard seed, which a man took and sowed in his field; and this is smaller than all other seeds, but when it is full grown, it is larger than the garden plants and becomes a tree, so that the birds of the air come and nest in its branches.”
— Matthew 13:31-32

Nithavela · Jan 22, 2021

Hammster said:
It will still continue to grow.

He presented another parable to them, saying, “The kingdom of heaven is like a mustard seed, which a man took and sowed in his field; and this is smaller than all other seeds, but when it is full grown, it is larger than the garden plants and becomes a tree, so that the birds of the air come and nest in its branches.”
— Matthew 13:31-32

We will see.

Halbhh · Jan 22, 2021

Hammster said:
Yeah. Unfortunately, the mask/vaccine cult is firmly entrenched, and I’m not sure what can be done.

What happens when you greatly reduce the amount of virus you breathe in if you happen to walk into a cloud of virus droplets someone sneezed or coughed or laughed out?

From a large amount to a far smaller amount

What do you think that difference in the amount of initial virus laden droplets causes in the outcome of the exposure in terms of how ill you get?

2 people, let's say twin brothers in equal health, being exposed to the same cloud of droplets, one with a mask and one without?

How much of the coronavirus does it take to make you sick? - STAT
(while this link is from April, and I posted it here in CF way back about then, it's not just a momentary idea someone dreamed up in April 2020, but a long understood result that is generally true)

Or here's one I'd not seen yet at that time:
One More Reason to Wear a Mask: You’ll Get Less Sick From COVID-19

Even your totally unimpressive cloth or surgical mask will screen/block out most droplets, moist droplets that are vastly larger than virus particles.

And getting exposed to a smaller amount of virus matters -- and is often the difference between a mild illness and a severe illness according to more than a few researchers and doctors.

Meaning that masks that often don't prevent spread...do help to prevent deaths.

So, if I were you, I'd not worry if someone thinks I'm in a "cult", and I'd wear a mask anyway in the situations recommended, which is anywhere indoors with non-household members and outdoors if you can't maintain 6 feet or more distance (but I personally recommend instead 15 feet, and at times we ought to just keep them on outdoors in social areas like crowded sidewalks and so on in the winter anyway, because we can't consistently maintain that 10 or 15 feet).

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