The Mark of the Beast

Freedm · Jan 22, 2021

Aussie Pete said:
Maybe my understanding of "millennium" is different from yours. Do you seriously think that Satan is bound and consigned to the bottomless pit? I can assure that he still prowls around like a roaring lion, seeking who he can devour.

He does prowl around like a lion, I don't disagree, but we have to understand what this "binding" is referring to.

Revelation 20 tells us why he was bound; it was to keep him from deceiving the nations, and the nations are essentially everyone who is not part of the kingdom of God, aka "Israel". Prior to this binding, there was only a path to salvation for the Jews, but now there's a path to salvation for everyone. We can all become citizens of Israel now (Ephesians 2).

He threw him into the Abyss, and locked and sealed it over him, to keep him from deceiving the nations anymore until the thousand years were ended.

This is further supported by Matthew 12 where Jesus said he wanted to plunder Satan's house.

Matthew 12:29
Or how can someone enter a strong man's house and plunder his goods, unless he first binds the strong man? Then indeed he may plunder his house.

What does that mean? Satan's house is the earth, and the plunder Jesus wants is us, the people. So given that Christianity has grown to be the largest religion in the world with the gospel having spread to every nation on earth, I think it's fair to say that Jesus has indeed plundered his house, which in turn means that he has indeed bound the strong man.

See Satan was thrown to earth when Jesus secured victory on the cross, so the earth is Satan's house which Jesus wants to plunder.

Revelation 12:10
And I heard a loud voice in heaven, saying, “Now the salvation and the power and the kingdom of our God and the authority of his Christ have come, for the accuser of our brothers has been thrown down, who accuses them day and night before our God.

Luke 10:18
He replied, "I saw Satan fall like lightning from heaven."

This is Satan's binding. He can't keep us from salvation. Doesn't mean he's not around. Doesn't mean there's no sin or evil. It just means he can't keep us from salvation.

Timtofly · Jan 22, 2021

Tropical Wilds said:
If you don’t want the shot, don’t get it. Frankly, I know plenty of people who don’t fear science who’d like to get the vaccine now and it seems a shame to waste good medicine on people who don’t want to do their part to end this pandemic.

On the flip side, if you pass on it, you do so knowing it’ll that your unwillingness to do your part means certain businesses and employers will want nothing to do with you and you give up your right to complain about it. Your right to get or decline medical care ends when you’re putting others at risk. This isn’t about your rights; it’s about our collective rights. Your right to be disagreeable doesn’t supersede everybody else’s right to be safe.

Have whatever opinion you want from the comfort of your own home.

This is the point that God sent this judgment. One taken and one left. All were supposed to go through it and endure. It was not supposed to be stopped. You all talk about enduring to the end and being saved, then want to go against God and stop one of His judgments. What ever happened to endure with patience, even if it means death? So now we trust science and government, instead of enduring? That logic will get you the mark as well, if one cannot even pass the test of a judgment.

Timtofly · Jan 22, 2021

Freedm said:
You seem to be under the false impression that the millennium is a time of peace and love without sin. That misconception is clouding your understanding of scripture.

That is Scripture. You are the one denying Scripture. The 7th Trumpet is the end of sin. Why do you force sin into the Lord's Day. Remember the Sabbath, is to set it apart and keep it Holy. Not the day of the week. The Day with the Lord. The 1000 year period without sin. You do not have to observe Saturday, but you do have to Remember that God set apart the 7th Day as Holy. So will be the millennium, without sin and a sin nature.

Freedm · Jan 22, 2021

Timtofly said:
That is Scripture. You are the one denying Scripture. The 7th Trumpet is the end of sin.

The end of sin. What do you think that means? Do you think that means people don't do bad stuff any more? Or does it mean our "bad stuff" is no longer considered sin?

WhoIsLikeGod? · Jan 22, 2021

daydreameranastasia said:
So is it the internet that’s the mark or is it just smartphones? It can’t be both. Because if it’s just smartphones then can you use your computer? What if your smartphone isn’t connected to the internet? If it is the internet, how are you on this forum right now?
It is too much of a stretch to say it is the mark. Sure, it may be a forerunner but the actual mark? Naw.

I am not God's authority on Earth to say. I will not claim to have had a divine vision. But reasonably, the smartphone would be the mark of the beast and the World Wide Web would be the number of the beast and the name of the beast. The beast being a kingdom. I would say yes, you can use your computer. The reason it's the smartphone is because it's portable, like a wallet. And they are keeping us immersed in social media and phone apps in the palms of our hands. We are ignoring our own families at the dinner table because we're checking our likes and comments. Social media is breaking down the social fabric of our society. We are becoming slaves to technology. I think the line will be drawn with the advent of central bank digital currencies (CBDCs). They will be transferred via the phone, only.

I just shopped for a flip phone at Wal-Mart the other day, looking for a phone without the web. I was told that all phones currently have the internet. You can't get away from it. Take comfort in this: you can still have a phone without using mobile payments. You can even switch off wi-fi and data, and essentially disable the web on your phone.

parousia70 · Jan 22, 2021

Timtofly said:
The 7th Trumpet is the end of sin.

Sin has been defeated. Fully. Sin is powerless to prevent anyone from Salvation. In fact, ONLY Sinners get saved.
Sin is no longer the measuring Stick God uses to determine who is saved and who is not.

The Law of Moses is what gave sin it's strength to keep people from God's presence (1 Corinthians 15:56), and Sin is no longer imputed against us when there is no Law (Romans 5:13)

Now, we are either "In Adam" Condemned regardless of whether we sin or not,

OR

We are "In Christ" Saved even though we sin.

The Power of Sin to Condemn has been eradicated forever.
Like Satan, it is a defeated Foe.

Timtofly · Jan 22, 2021

parousia70 said:
Well, I'm here to urge futurists to come forward and help identify WHO is making the Mark of God/the Lamb today for our foreheads and WHAT technology is emerging that will be utilized for it. This is life and death here, is it not?

God will place the mark no matter what that mark indicates. Angels seal those in the Lamb's book of life. They will also place the mark to remove those names from the Lamb's book of life.

Timtofly · Jan 22, 2021

parousia70 said:
See my post above.
Choosing common sense and proactive care for your fellow man over fanatical speculation, fear and selfish retreat, is always the correct, moral, ethical, CHRIST LIKE choice.

And, Pro Tip: If you look around and you find that that Nazis are supporting your side of an issue, you’re probably on the wrong side of the issue.

The nazis used those in concentration camps to get to the medical place we are today. Satan or God's chosen people. Those who take the vaccine can be for the pharmaceutical nazi and not even against their will.

Timtofly · Jan 22, 2021

Freedm said:
The end of sin. What do you think that means? Do you think that means people don't do bad stuff any more? Or does it mean our "bad stuff" is no longer considered sin?

It is a resurrection. Is sin in Paradise? Do they do bad stuff there and get away with it? Where is this uncommon sense coming from?

The common sense is Adam's flesh and blood have all died and have been resurrected in incorruptible sin free bodies, without a sin nature. Bad stuff will not happen. Do you think it should?

Timtofly · Jan 22, 2021

parousia70 said:
Sin has been defeated. Fully. Sin is powerless to prevent anyone from Salvation. In fact, ONLY Sinners get saved.
Sin is no longer the measuring Stick God uses to determine who is saved and who is not.

The Law of Moses is what gave sin it's strength to keep people from God's presence (1 Corinthians 15:56), and Sin is no longer imputed against us when there is no Law (Romans 5:13)

Now, we are either "In Adam" Condemned regardless of whether we sin or not,

OR

We are "In Christ" Saved even though we sin.

The Power of Sin to Condemn has been eradicated forever.
Like Satan, it is a defeated Foe.

Sin still exists. I am talking about not existing.

Freedm · Jan 22, 2021

Timtofly said:
It is a resurrection. Is sin in Paradise? Do they do bad stuff there and get away with it? Where is this uncommon sense coming from?

The common sense is Adam's flesh and blood have all died and have been resurrected in incorruptible sin free bodies, without a sin nature. Bad stuff will not happen. Do you think it should?

The way I understand it, there will always be sin, but sin is no longer counted against us because we live under grace. So in a sense you could say that is the end of sin, or at least the end of consequences for sin.

Romans 5:13
To be sure, sin was in the world before the law was given, but sin is not charged against anyone’s account where there is no law.

Romans 6:14
For sin will have no dominion over you, since you are not under law but under grace.

Where in scripture do you see it said that the seventh trumpet is "the end of sin"?

Timtofly · Jan 22, 2021

Freedm said:
The way I understand it, there will always be sin, but sin is no longer counted against us because we live under grace. So in a sense you could say that is the end of sin, or at least the end of consequences for sin.

You think sin is eternal? Even in the NHNE?

Timtofly · Jan 22, 2021

Freedm said:
The way I understand it, there will always be sin, but sin is no longer counted against us because we live under grace. So in a sense you could say that is the end of sin, or at least the end of consequences for sin.

Romans 5:13
To be sure, sin was in the world before the law was given, but sin is not charged against anyone’s account where there is no law.

Romans 6:14
For sin will have no dominion over you, since you are not under law but under grace.

Where in scripture do you see it said that the seventh trumpet is "the end of sin"?

Revelation 10:5-7

5 Then the angel I saw standing on the sea and on the land lifted his right hand toward heaven
6 and swore by the One who lives forever and ever, who created heaven and what is in it, earth and what is in it, and the sea and what is in it: “There will be no more delay;
7 on the contrary, in the days of the sound from the seventh angel when he sounds his shofar, the hidden plan of God will be brought to completion, the Good News as he proclaimed it to his servants the prophets.”

This is the end of all Covenants no matter who argues what. It is the end of Adam's punishment. It is the end of sin in the world period.

Psalm 27 · Jan 23, 2021

Off topic warning!!
John 5:14
Afterward Jesus found him in the temple, and said to him, “See, you have been made well. Sin no more, lest a worse thing come upon you.”

Context, the feast of Purim (Esther)?
Jesus went up on the seventh day. The day of convocation, (the relevant day, also being the sabbath) the day Jews were to go among the poor giving gifts?

He already knew the lame man’s condition!

From a ‘grace’ perspective, what happens if we do sin more?

DiscipleHeLovesToo · Jan 23, 2021

(Rom 5:12) Wherefore, as by one man sin entered into the world, and death by sin; and so death passed upon all men, for that all have sinned:
(Rom 5:13) (For until the law sin was in the world: but sin is not imputed when there is no law.
(Rom 5:14) Nevertheless death reigned from Adam to Moses, even over them that had not sinned after the similitude of Adam's transgression, who is the figure of him that was to come.
(Rom 5:15) But not as the offence, so also is the free gift. For if through the offence of one many be dead, much more the grace of God, and the gift by grace, which is by one man, Jesus Christ, hath abounded unto many.
(Rom 5:16) And not as it was by one that sinned, so is the gift: for the judgment was by one to condemnation, but the free gift is of many offences unto justification.
(Rom 5:17) For if by one man's offence death reigned by one; much more they which receive abundance of grace and of the gift of righteousness shall reign in life by one, Jesus Christ.)
(Rom 5:18) Therefore as by the offence of one judgment came upon all men to condemnation; even so by the righteousness of one the free gift came upon all men unto justification of life.
(Rom 5:19) For as by one man's disobedience many were made sinners, so by the obedience of one shall many be made righteous.
(Rom 5:20) Moreover the law entered, that the offence might abound. But where sin abounded, grace did much more abound:
(Rom 5:21) That as sin hath reigned unto death, even so might grace reign through righteousness unto eternal life by Jesus Christ our Lord.

parousia70 · Jan 23, 2021

Timtofly said:
Sin still exists. I am talking about not existing.

You are an annihilationist then?
You don’t believe in eternal conscious punishment for the damned?

Maybe you can explain for us when you believe the unrepentant get to share in Christ’s victory over sin?

rturner76 · Jan 23, 2021

Aussie Pete said:
For some time I have believed that the mark of the Beast is not some kind of implant but more a political/social pressure to conform to whatever social fad Satan's puppets decide to impose. Those who subscribe to the Biblical view of Christianity clash with the PC, "don't you think?", pro gay, pro abortion, hyper feminist and leftist Nazi types. Or least, we should clash with such and anyone else who is trying to silence those who want to preach the gospel.

The latest, and to me, most troubling, is the blackmail being imposed on those who refuse to get a COVID injection. I'm not an anti vaxxer, but I object to being told that I can't fly if I've not had a shot. Some state governments in Australia want to give businesses the right to refuse to deal with unvaccinated people or allow them to work for the business. Since some of the vaccines are only 50% effective, it is hardly a public health issue.

It seems apparent to me that this is another step towards total control of the population by the state. The state is increasingly Satan's puppet. It has always been so to a degree, but we've enjoyed quite a degree of personal autonomy, at least in the Western world, for as long as most people can remember. Now laws are being introduced that Hitler, Stalin and Mao would approve of. Worst of all, there is not a great deal of dissent from Mr Average.

It's time for Christians to pray against such laws and not sit back and let the state suppress the Church. If we do not, we will be forced underground. I very much enjoy my present way of life. If we want to keep it, we must fight for it, not with guns, but with the Living Word of God and against the real enemy - Satan and his forces.

Seriously, I thought of this also. I thought, what if people who get vaccinated get a mark put on them proving they are vaccinated. Then, what if only people with the mark showing they are vaccinated are allowed to buy and sell at the store? People without the vaccine mark may be outcast and forced out of society to fend for themselves.

Just a thought I had during one of my daydreams.

Freedm · Jan 23, 2021

Timtofly said:
You think sin is eternal? Even in the NHNE?

Yes. It has to be because our free will is eternal.

Jesus never said "follow me and you'll never do anything wrong again". He said "follow me and your sins will be forgiven".

Freedm · Jan 23, 2021

Timtofly said:
Revelation 10:5-7

5 Then the angel I saw standing on the sea and on the land lifted his right hand toward heaven
6 and swore by the One who lives forever and ever, who created heaven and what is in it, earth and what is in it, and the sea and what is in it: “There will be no more delay;
7 on the contrary, in the days of the sound from the seventh angel when he sounds his shofar, the hidden plan of God will be brought to completion, the Good News as he proclaimed it to his servants the prophets.”

This is the end of all Covenants no matter who argues what. It is the end of Adam's punishment. It is the end of sin in the world period.

But it doesn't say that it's the end of sin. You're inferring that all by yourself. It says God's plan will be brought to completion. What do you think God's plan is?

Freedm · Jan 23, 2021

Psalm 27 said:
Off topic warning!!
From a ‘grace’ perspective, what happens if we do sin more?

Without sin, there's no need for grace.

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